The Matron !!

[Schmoogles]

<DIV>I do talk to a few people cross servers but I'm really bored here at work and we should start a topic on the Matron today.  How is everyone coming along with the Matron? Are people even spending much time on the Matron? I like this encounter a lot and will probably be one of my favorite encounters once we beat it but this leads into my next question.....Do you think it is killable at its current state?  I'm a believer that everything this is killable with the correct amount of time spent on it but just wondering what everyone else thinks.  </DIV><p>Message Edited by Schmoogles on <span class=date_text>07-25-2006</span> <span class=time_text>08:57 AM</span>

[ProphecyCT]

The current state of the Matron, I'm sure if it is possible or not; it sheerly revolve around luck.  Getting critical hit by a ae that 1 shots your tank with adds running around with a insane amount of hp that cannot be stunned or mezed is lame, especially because they go around aoe stunning and stiffling people.  I have hear some guilds claiming to brought the Matron down below 50, but I highly doubt it for getting it stabelized is hard enough.. then u have the chance of getting 1 shotted anytime throughout the fight.<div></div>

[Pins]

The who? Oh you mean that mob with the Crit AoEs that kill a tank. If you don't get a Crit on her AoE it seems to be killable, but if you get it to low enough you're going to be running into a risk that if it crits, you're just going to lose, period. With a lot of luck, you may be able to beat it, but of course you have to have the luck first. Because a Crit AoE and you're just going to die, then you're just going to get completely [Removed for Content] off because now you have to fight the tree, and the spore thing, which is completely annoying as hell.

[Anoixia]

Torpours Strike works a little to stop the crits but we get steamrolled by the horde of adds lol :p

[Tauch]

Second Dawn is still trying her regularly on our raid days. Without a lot of luck, yeah, this encounter seems impossible. Too much can go wrong without any way to mitigate the cause. I'm surprised neither of you mentioned the teleport. <div></div>

[ProphecyCT]

<div><blockquote><hr>Taucher wrote:Second Dawn is still trying her regularly on our raid days. Without a lot of luck, yeah, this encounter seems impossible. Too much can go wrong without any way to mitigate the cause. I'm surprised neither of you mentioned the teleport. <div></div><hr></blockquote>Lol totally forgot about that !Mobs with teleport are lame... if u are going to add a teleport, at least make it like it teleports you infront of the mob.</div>

[ChaosUndivided]

<P>Matron is a mob we goto be humbled by.</P> <P>I think mechanically as far as how hard it hit's etc it's doable. </P> <P>I just think the problem is too much luck is involved and the fight last long enough that you'll eventually get some bad luck and lose thanks to the RNG. </P> <P>Hi2U Main Tank @ Mystic Lake Entrance.</P> <P>I still think it's beatable, I just think it's more a matter of luck than skill.</P> <P> </P>

[Schmoogles]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Pinski wrote:<BR> Because a Crit AoE and you're just going to die, then you're just going to get completely [Removed for Content] off because now you have to fight the tree, and the spore thing, which is completely annoying as hell.<BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE>Yes very very annoying killing those first two mobs to get crit ae right away and wipe on the Matron or right after you get the Matron right where you want her.  I also hate the fact about the porting of random people like Blackqueen.  At least Blackqueen ported you to the same spot a mile away out of harms way.  This has a chance to port you in the middle of a large amount of frogs.  <BR>

[Pins]

<blockquote><hr>Schmoogles wrote:<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Pinski wrote:<BR> Because a Crit AoE and you're just going to die, then you're just going to get completely [Removed for Content] off because now you have to fight the tree, and the spore thing, which is completely annoying as hell.<BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE>Yes very very annoying killing those first two mobs to get crit ae right away and wipe on the Matron or right after you get the Matron right where you want her.  I also hate the fact about the porting of random people like Blackqueen.  At least Blackqueen ported you to the same spot a mile away out of harms way.  This has a chance to port you in the middle of a large amount of frogs.  <BR><hr></blockquote> BQ's port had 2 spots she could port you, both were not too far away that you couldn't get back into buff range if you were in the MT group, plus you would not be training through mobs to get back(clear frogs, problem solved). Maybe the trick is to have a brawler tank her below the ridge!

[ChaosUndivided]

BQ's port was also on a long timer. Matron seems to port people a lot more often.

[Schmoogles]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <P></P> <HR> Pinski wrote: <P> </P> <BLOCKQUOTE><BR>BQ's port had 2 spots she could port you, both were not too far away that you couldn't get back into buff range if you were in the MT group, plus you would not be training through mobs to get back(clear frogs, problem solved). Maybe the trick is to have a brawler tank her below the ridge!<BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE></BLOCKQUOTE>lol - forgot about the two spots.  It's been awhile.....even if you clear the frogs by the time you get to the Matron you could start having repops of frogs over there. I just never liked the idea of porting random people. <BR>

[Pins]

<blockquote><hr>Schmoogles wrote:<BR>lol - forgot about the two spots.  It's been awhile.....even if you clear the frogs by the time you get to the Matron you could start having repops of frogs over there. I just never liked the idea of porting random people. <BR><hr></blockquote>The frogs was in refence to BQ, not the Matron, since you have to clear a lot more than just frogs to have a clear run back to the Matron when you get ported.

[Schmoogles]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Pinski wrote:<BR><BR><BR>The frogs was in refence to BQ, not the Matron, since you have to clear a lot more than just frogs to have a clear run back to the Matron when you get ported.<BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE><BR>again I forgot that at first those frogs where not KOS at first when we started doing that zone until later and then the frogs did become KoS so I always just assumed everyone killed them.  I try to forget the T6 days as much as I can :smileysad:<p>Message Edited by Schmoogles on <span class=date_text>07-25-2006</span> <span class=time_text>09:58 AM</span>

[Schmoogles]

and no I didn't signed up to debate against the debate team :smileyhappy:  LOL

[MystaSkrat]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Schmoogles wrote:<BR> <BR> I try to forget the T6 days as much as I can :smileysad: <P><BR> </P> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE>Don't we all...  um, except rangers.<BR><p>Message Edited by MystaSkratch on <span class=date_text>07-25-2006</span> <span class=time_text>12:36 PM</span>

[ChaosUndivided]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> MystaSkratch wrote:<BR> <BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Schmoogles wrote:<BR> <BR> I try to forget the T6 days as much as I can :smileysad: <P><BR> </P> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE>Don't we all...  um, except rangers.<BR> <P>Message Edited by MystaSkratch on <SPAN class=date_text>07-25-2006</SPAN> <SPAN class=time_text>12:36 PM</SPAN><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE><BR>Sigh, I guess the give away was when I start 80% of my sentences with " I remember this one time in T6"

[MystaSkrat]

<P>LOL yea....</P> <P>I remember, this one time in T6, that our ranger hit Stream of Arrows, and went afk, then came back and had 2200 DPS!</P>

[ChaosUndivided]

in Tier 6. Stream of Arrows + Precision of the Maestro = Orgasm every 1.5seconds.

[The-Fourm-Pirate]

Soloed her twice np, [expletive haxx0red by Raijinn] chest keeps falling through world though ><img src="/smilies/9d71f0541cff0a302a0309c5079e8dee.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />

[vinterskugge]

<DIV><BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> ChaosUndivided wrote:<BR> in Tier 6. Stream of Arrows + Precision of the Maestro = Orgasm every 1.5seconds.<BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE><BR>I remember at the start of T6 every proc from Precision was my damage, it didn't get credited to other people.  I kept hitting 3000 dps and pulling agro.</DIV>

[Mage-Apprentice]

Although I skipped tier 6 when it was launched (did it later), the defiler+coercer combo could chunk nice amount of %hp of epic mobs.

[ChaosUndivided]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Mage-Apprentice wrote:<BR> Although I skipped tier 6 when it was launched (did it later), the defiler+coercer combo could chunk nice amount of %hp of epic mobs.<BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE> <P><BR>combo....right....that's what it was. Just an innocent combo.</P> <P> </P> <P>And if by "nice chunk" you mean 98% with 2 coercers, then yeah.....</P><p>Message Edited by ChaosUndivided on <span class=date_text>07-25-2006</span> <span class=time_text>02:35 PM</span>

[Snarks]

devs were quick to change chel'drak into a fun, beatable, strategy based encounter. i think they are intentionally stalling their time on this encounter so that noone can claim they are 'out of content' for at least a while. with 4 months minimum until Echoes of Feydwer, and no plans to make major class balance changes or implement new raids until then, I think its a smart move =P.  going to get very bored very soon though. It will be interesting to see what guilds can keep clearing same zones for 4 months and still stay strong. <div></div>

[Ishbu]

This mob's name is the matron? I could have sworn it was rathe council.

[Gaige]

<P>I'm under the impression that at least one of the stupid things about this encounter posted here is changing, and not just for her but overall.</P> <P>As for the Matron, I guess its fun - the first two fights are boring and stupid and then she spawns and pretty much owns your face.</P> <P> </P>

[n0kn0k]

<div><blockquote><hr>snarkteeth wrote:devs were quick to change chel'drak into a fun, beatable, strategy based encounter. <hr></blockquote>Did they change anything since NPU and SD beat it? So many have killed it since then :/</div>

[MystaSkrat]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> n0kn0k wrote:<BR> <DIV><BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> snarkteeth wrote:<BR>devs were quick to change chel'drak into a fun, beatable, strategy based encounter.<BR><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE><BR>Did they change anything since NPU and SD beat it? So many have killed it since then :/<BR></DIV><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE><BR>It'd be funny if they did, because we beat it a second time before NPU did.

[Snarks]

<blockquote><hr>n0kn0k wrote:<div><blockquote><hr>snarkteeth wrote:devs were quick to change chel'drak into a fun, beatable, strategy based encounter. <hr></blockquote>Did they change anything since NPU and SD beat it? So many have killed it since then :/</div><hr></blockquote>i'm talking about how they nerfed the skeletons a day or two after FD went live, i don't think its been changed since then<div></div>

[standupwookie]

My [expletive haxx0red by Raijinn] shriveled up and fell off when reading this post, as I have no idea what a Matron is <div></div>

[Darkglow]

<P>Whats funny to me about he matron is that it is a contested mob. Does SoE really thing there will be multiple guilds on any single server that are able to beat this encounter in its current state? And if so there must be something we are all missing about the encounter. From what i have seen ya its simply based on luck of not getting ported or one shot. And as for the adds go OMG they suck. I think someone really needs to kill this thing soon or SoE needs to change the encounter. Why have an impossible mob in game that no one can kill, there is really just no point.</P> <P> </P> <P>Lord Doompa Forever</P> <P>Nightmare Keeper of Ethereal Legacy</P> <P>Message Edited by Darkglow on <SPAN class=date_text>07-26-2006</SPAN> <SPAN class=time_text>02:16 PM</SPAN></P><p>Message Edited by Darkglow on <span class=date_text>07-26-2006</span> <span class=time_text>02:16 PM</span>

[Pins]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Darkglow wrote:<BR> <P>Whats funny to me about he matron is that it is a contested mob. Does SoE really thing there will be multiple guilds on any single server that are able to beat this encounter in its current state? And if so there must be something we are all missing about the encounter. From what i have seen ya its simply based on luck of not getting ported or one shot. And as for the adds go OMG they suck. I think someone really needs to kill this thing soon or SoE needs to change the encounter. Why have an impossible mob in game that no one can kill, there is really just no point.</P> <P> </P> <P>Lord Doompa Forever</P> <P>Nightmare Keeper of Ethereal Legacy</P> <P>Message Edited by Darkglow on <SPAN class=date_text>07-26-2006</SPAN> <SPAN class=time_text>02:16 PM</SPAN></P> <P>Message Edited by Darkglow on <SPAN class=date_text>07-26-2006</SPAN> <SPAN class=time_text>02:16 PM</SPAN><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE><BR>There is a point.  That point is to say you have content left to beat.

[Darkglow]

<DIV>Ya i guess that is a good point lol. A very good outlook you have on things.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Lord Doompa Forever</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Nightmare Keeper of Ethereal Legacy</DIV>

[ibeo]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> MystaSkratch wrote:<BR> <BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> n0kn0k wrote:<BR> <DIV><BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> snarkteeth wrote:<BR>devs were quick to change chel'drak into a fun, beatable, strategy based encounter.<BR><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE><BR>Did they change anything since NPU and SD beat it? So many have killed it since then :/<BR></DIV><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE><BR>It'd be funny if they did, because we beat it a second time before NPU did.<BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE>you also tried it a second time before npu did<BR>

[MystaSkrat]

How does that change anything?  You're lockout was up before ours :smileyhappy:

[Ishbu]

<DIV>Actualy if you wanted to get all specific, our time that we went in and killed it a second time, was equivalent to the time you went in before you beat the encounter a first time.  But thats only if you wanted to get specific.</DIV>

[Tauch]

Might I add that having a key person go LD on the first two encounters, with the first two encounters being totally unnecessary another complaint altogether, and having <i><b>no recourse</b></i> with which to correct the problem is infuriating? It's basically "grats, you just spent upwards of 15 to 20 minutes on two pieces of trash, and now that you've experienced a shot of bad luck during completely pointless fights you now lose." <div></div>

[MystaSkrat]

Yea, the tree should drop an item that lets you start the ring event at the flower thing.  And he should drop an item that lets you start it at the Matron.  That would own.

[Pudaan]

Maybe we have to wait till EoF to actually beat it =/<div></div>

[MystaSkrat]

Well, maybe some people will

[ibeo]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Ishboozor wrote:<BR> <DIV>Actualy if you wanted to get all specific, our time that we went in and killed it a second time, was equivalent to the time you went in before you beat the encounter a first time.  But thats only if you wanted to get specific.</DIV><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE> <P><BR>as you said yourself : "anything said can easily be figured out in under 45seconds of engagement):"</P> <P><BR><A href="http://ishbu-mmo.blogspot.com/2006/06/little-of-column-a-little-of-column-b.html" target=_blank>http://ishbu-mmo.blogspot.com/2006/06/little-of-column-a-little-of-column-b.html</A></P>

[Ishbu]

Anything I said below in my little spoiler is what that was clearly refering to if not taken out of context.

[ibeo]

<DIV>and below you had a raid strat...so 45s is all it would take to figure it out...so enough already about all our extra time when you yourself nailed it on the head...thanks for that</DIV>

[Devizi]

This mob is one big conspiracy that allows SOE to say we still have content over the next 4 months.  <div></div>

[Kraks_Aforty]

<div><blockquote><hr>ProphecyCT wrote:The current state of the Matron, I'm sure if it is possible or not; it sheerly revolve around luck.  Getting critical hit by a ae that 1 shots your tank with adds running around with a insane amount of hp that cannot be stunned or mezed is lame, especially because they go around aoe stunning and stiffling people.  I have hear some guilds claiming to brought the Matron down below 50, but I highly doubt it for getting it stabelized is hard enough.. then u have the chance of getting 1 shotted anytime throughout the fight.<div></div><hr></blockquote>Someone said something like this several weeks ago and Disso peeps swore he was wrong....oh yeah, that was me.</div>

[Ishbu]

<blockquote><hr>ibeo wrote:<DIV>and below you had a raid strat...so 45s is all it would take to figure it out...so enough already about all our extra time when you yourself nailed it on the head...thanks for that</DIV><hr></blockquote>I gave no raid strat. I gave the very basic information about the encounter.Wow Im shocked, an NPU member making stuff up to try and validate themselves....EDIT - Lol btw, in my original comment it was refering to live 100%, only you were too ignorant of the entire situation to realize that. If I had included beta, your first kill will be equivalent to a number of kills for us we havent even reached yet due to lockout limitations.Let me put it this way so maybe you can understand. On live you went in X amount of times and killed it once. X-1 is the number of times we went in to kill it twice. Get it now?<p>Message Edited by Ishboozor on <span class=date_text>07-28-2006</span> <span class=time_text>06:41 AM</span>

[MystaSkrat]

Wasn't my original point that we beat it before NPU did a second time?  I think it was.  And it was to point out that if it <EM>was</EM> made easier, it wouldn't make sense that you wouldn't beat if before us.  I didn't mention anything about when you tried it because I have no way of knowing.  You can come and defend yourself, but I wasn't attacking anyone.  I was only stating facts.

[Victicu]

<div><blockquote><hr>Ishboozor wrote:I gave no raid strat. I gave the very basic information about the encounter.<p><span class="time_text"></span></p><hr></blockquote>And that basic information is all you need to know to beat the encounter.  There is no super uber strat that only people with beta access would know.</div>

[MystaSkrat]

Basic information is all you need to know to beat <EM>any</EM> encounter in the game.  Is that news to anyone?  I never thought that was Ishbu's point here...

[Ishbu]

<blockquote><hr>Victicus7 wrote:<div><blockquote><hr>Ishboozor wrote:I gave no raid strat. I gave the very basic information about the encounter.<p><span class="time_text"></span></p><hr></blockquote>And that basic information is all you need to know to beat the encounter.  There is no super uber strat that only people with beta access would know.</div><hr></blockquote>Well besides the fact that I never brought up beta and the NPU person just assumed so without even thinking about it first, I guess we can get back into the beta thing.Very basic information will never just beat an encounter. If you beleive that, your a [Removed for Content]. There is no substitution for actually going in, pulling an encounter and seeing first hand how it hits/behaves/reacts/etc. You know what a good way of getting this first hand information woudl be? Beta testing before anyone else can pull it.If all you need is very basic information, why havent EVERY GUILD IN THE GAME beaten it then? Oh its because you need more than that. Ok, so elimate the leveling and the gearing up and get a guild that knows how to raid. Ok then why hasnt EVERY GUILD THAT EVER KILLED TARINAX/MO beaten it? Oh because it doesnt work that way either! You have to pull, manage it, and account for it. Simply knowing that the mob has some AE's and spawns some adds, some of wich need to be killed by a certain archetype will certantly not win you an encounter. Getting to pull the encounter and test it will.

[Pins]

<DIV>Knowing a strat, and executing it are 2 vastly different things.  This is what seperates the best raiders from the good raiders.  The best can execute it a lot.  While the good needs luck on their side.</DIV>

[Gaige]

Ish posted that blog with the uber leet spoiler forever ago.  So if that is all that is needed to beat the encounter either a lot of people can't read or something.

[Ishbu]

<blockquote><hr>Gaige wrote:Ish posted that blog with the uber leet spoiler forever ago.  So if that is all that is needed to beat the encounter either a lot of people can't read or something.<hr></blockquote>If you notice the dates, it was posted just a day or 2 before NPU managed to take down chel'drak. Since we know they read that and consider it a blueprint to the whole encounter I beleive it is a reasonable assumption that without my information NPU would have never ever in the history of the game been able to take down Chel'drak.

[MystaSkrat]

I too, came to that same assumption.

[Victicu]

<div></div><div><blockquote><hr>Ishboozor wrote:Very basic information will never just beat an encounter. If you beleive that, your a [Removed for Content]. There is no substitution for actually going in, pulling an encounter and seeing first hand how it hits/behaves/reacts/etc. You know what a good way of getting this first hand information woudl be? Beta testing before anyone else can pull it.<hr></blockquote>And how did you get that basic information??  You went in, pulled an encounter, and saw first hand how it worked.  You not only got this information but you saw first hand how the encounter hits/behaves/reacts days before anyone else had beaten it.  So whats your problem?</div><p>Message Edited by Victicus7 on <span class=date_text>07-28-2006</span> <span class=time_text>10:03 AM</span>

[MystaSkrat]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Victicus7 wrote:<BR> <DIV><BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Ishboozor wrote:<BR><BR><BR>Very basic information will never just beat an encounter. If you beleive that, your a [Removed for Content]. There is no substitution for actually going in, pulling an encounter and seeing first hand how it hits/behaves/reacts/etc. You know what a good way of getting this first hand information woudl be? Beta testing before anyone else can pull it.<BR><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE><BR> You not only got this information but you saw first hand how the encounter hits/behaves/reacts days before anyone else had beaten it. <BR></DIV> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE>When was this?  We got to try it out the same time any other non beta guild did.<BR>

[Victicu]

<div><blockquote><hr>MystaSkratch wrote:<div></div> <blockquote> <hr> Victicus7 wrote: <div></div> <div> <blockquote> <hr> Ishboozor wrote:Very basic information will never just beat an encounter. If you beleive that, your a [Removed for Content]. There is no substitution for actually going in, pulling an encounter and seeing first hand how it hits/behaves/reacts/etc. You know what a good way of getting this first hand information woudl be? Beta testing before anyone else can pull it. <hr> </blockquote> You not only got this information but you saw first hand how the encounter hits/behaves/reacts days before anyone else had beaten it. </div> <hr> </blockquote>When was this?  We got to try it out the same time any other non beta guild did.<hr></blockquote>You attempted the encounter before NPU was able to deafeat it.  Clearly you knew how the encounter worked.  You just couldnt execute the strat.</div>

[MystaSkrat]

We attempted it when killing trash locked you out for 5 days.  That's 10 or so shots (more with repair kits).  NPU beat it when the lockout was 15 min on failure and the adds were yellow instead of orange.  Just saying.

[Gyilok]

why cant you all forget that [expletive haxx0red by Raijinn] and focus on the matron like this thread was supposed to

[MystaSkrat]

Noone's beat her, she crits too much, and her adds AE stun and stifle, it sucks.  Happy now :smileyhappy:

[Ishbu]

I think the real question here Victicus is why do you keep posting like you even have a clue what we were talking about? From your first post on this thread you were off base with what was going on. Why continue it when its so clear your just not up to speed?

[Victicu]

<div></div><div><blockquote><hr>Ishboozor wrote:I think the real question here Victicus is why do you keep posting like you even have a clue what we were talking about? From your first post on this thread you were off base with what was going on. Why continue it when its so clear your just not up to speed?<hr></blockquote>Ibeo said you posted a raid strat on your blog before NPU even defeated the enounter.  You claimed it wasnt a strat, mearly basic information.  I said this basic information is all you needed to beat the encounter.  Then you came back with it takes more than information, but also execution and skill.I agreed that you had the information but lacked the execution and skill to defeat the encounter before NPU.So, what am i not up to speed about? Please tell me.</div><p>Message Edited by Victicus7 on <span class=date_text>07-28-2006</span> <span class=time_text>11:30 AM</span>

[MystaSkrat]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Victicus7 wrote:<BR> <DIV><BR><BR>I agreed that you had the information but lacked the execution and skill to defeat the encounter before NPU.<BR><BR>So, what am i not up to speed about? Please tell me.<BR><BR></DIV> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE><BR>The part that I said.  About the lockout timers and adds.

[Ishbu]

You dont realize how the encounter was changed, how we went about acquireing the information pre and post change, when we did it, with whom we did it etc. Your making false accusations about something you know less than 1% of the story on. It would be similar to me saying you must be the worst warlock because one of your guilds members once told me that you were, and I quote "the worst warlock he had ever played with by far". That could just be one person opinions but its all the story I have so I could either take that as universal fact or I could just find out the whole story if I was going to comment on it. Notice I havent posted your the worst warlock? Some of like to get some background on things before posting.

[Victicu]

<div><blockquote><hr>Victicus7 wrote:<div></div><div><blockquote><hr>Ishboozor wrote:I think the real question here Victicus is why do you keep posting like you even have a clue what we were talking about? From your first post on this thread you were off base with what was going on. Why continue it when its so clear your just not up to speed?<hr></blockquote>Ibeo said you posted a raid strat on your blog before NPU even defeated the enounter.  You claimed it wasnt a strat, mearly basic information.  I said this basic information is all you needed to beat the encounter.  Then you came back with it takes more than information, but also execution and skill.I agreed that you had the information but lacked the execution and skill to defeat the encounter before NPU.So, what am i not up to speed about? Please tell me.</div><p>Message Edited by Victicus7 on <span class="date_text">07-28-2006</span> <span class="time_text">11:30 AM</span></p><hr></blockquote>Where in that is a false accusation?</div>

[Ishbu]

"I agreed that you had the information but lacked the execution and skill to defeat the encounter before NPU."That woudl be the false accusation. We did not have the information, we had to go in once it went live and figure it out. Once that was accomplished, we were locked out for 5 days. Then the encounter was changed, in wich time we went in with a skeleton crew of a raid, with absolutely no intention of beating it. That is when we found out everything as it applies to the current state of the encounter. As soon as our 4th of July vacation was over, we took a raid in and killed it, no questions asked. It was on our first trip in there with a full raid and the encounter in its current form that we defeated it. As many people have posted, its not that deathly hard, its just something you had to have pulled first.

[Victicu]

<div><blockquote><hr>Ishboozor wrote:"I agreed that you had the information but lacked the execution and skill to defeat the encounter before NPU."That woudl be the false accusation. We did not have the information, we had to go in once it went live and figure it out. Once that was accomplished, we were locked out for 5 days. Then the encounter was changed, in wich time we went in with a skeleton crew of a raid, with absolutely no intention of beating it. That is when we found out everything as it applies to the current state of the encounter. As soon as our 4th of July vacation was over, we took a raid in and killed it, no questions asked. It was on our first trip in there with a full raid and the encounter in its current form that we defeated it. As many people have posted, its not that deathly hard, its just something you had to have pulled first.<hr></blockquote>First off, you should have never went in with no intention of beating it if you were going to get locked out for five days.  Thats just a horrible descision of your part.Your july 4th excuse is just another way of saying, we lacked the attendance to defeat the encounter.  Many guilds had the same problem.Simply put, NPU had more dedication than you.  Even though you will deny it to your grave, they were better than you at that point of time.</div>

[MystaSkrat]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Victicus7 wrote:<BR> <DIV><BR>First off, you should have never went in with no intention of beating it if you were going to get locked out for five days.  Thats just a horrible descision of your part.<BR><BR> <HR> </DIV></BLOCKQUOTE><BR>So, how do you know what the lockout is unless you do in there and do it?  It wasn't beatable when we went in because it had <EM>orange</EM> adds.  Read.

[Victicu]

<div><blockquote><hr>MystaSkratch wrote:<div></div> <blockquote> <hr> Victicus7 wrote: <div>First off, you should have never went in with no intention of beating it if you were going to get locked out for five days.  Thats just a horrible descision of your part. <hr> </div></blockquote>So, how do you know what the lockout is unless you do in there and do it?  It wasn't beatable when we went in because it had <em>orange</em> adds.  Read.<hr></blockquote>But you went in again when the adds were yellow, but for some odd reason you had no intention on beating the encounter.  Theres your mistake, and theres why you lost your kill.  </div>

[MystaSkrat]

No, they ( I wasn't there) went in to learn the changed encounter.  See, when you do something, then it changes, you have to do it again to see what's changed.  If we went in with a full raid or half of one wasn't the issue, the lockout was 15 minutes by then anyway.  They were just learning it for when we had a full force on.  If it was how it is now, on the day it was released, then maybe we would have beaten it then, who knows.

[Ishbu]

Victicus I dont expect you to comprehend these things so Im going to just skip over most of it. See, there is this thing called a holiday. One of them happens to be the 4th of july. Many of us, myself included, had other plans for that week/weekend because it is in the middle of the summer and an american holiday. Sue us for having any semblance of somethign to do outside the game for one brief stretch of time and being patriotic.More dedication please. We went in every chance we had due to lockouts and what not. One holiday in the last year we have taken a vacation....one. It was some bad timing for us, nothing more. We beat it on our third trip in the zone (second since the adds were changed, and first with more than 3 groups) did you? If not, your really not in a position to say anything, ESPECIALLY when nothing in this thread till you showed up had anything to do with the kill. The only thing that was said was something Ibeo was confused about and didnt understand fully (he thought I was alluding to beta, wich I was not)Who wants to bet that Victicus is one of those people that needs to get strats from NPU though. Its fairly well known that NPU gives out strats for mobs to guilds on other servers just to try and help them beat other guilds. I bet they gave you strats for something so you could beat strike and thats why your all on your knees for them. Lol at you.

[Victicu]

<div><blockquote><hr>Ishboozor wrote:Victicus I dont expect you to comprehend these things so Im going to just skip over most of it. See, there is this thing called a holiday. One of them happens to be the 4th of july. Many of us, myself included, had other plans for that week/weekend because it is in the middle of the summer and an american holiday. Sue us for having any semblance of somethign to do outside the game for one brief stretch of time and being patriotic.More dedication please. We went in every chance we had due to lockouts and what not. One holiday in the last year we have taken a vacation....one. It was some bad timing for us, nothing more. We beat it on our third trip in the zone (second since the adds were changed, and first with more than 3 groups) did you? If not, your really not in a position to say anything, ESPECIALLY when nothing in this thread till you showed up had anything to do with the kill. The only thing that was said was something Ibeo was confused about and didnt understand fully (he thought I was alluding to beta, wich I was not)Who wants to bet that Victicus is one of those people that needs to get strats from NPU though. Its fairly well known that NPU gives out strats for mobs to guilds on other servers just to try and help them beat other guilds. I bet they gave you strats for something so you could beat strike and thats why your all on your knees for them. Lol at you.<hr></blockquote>I just find it fun to argue with you cause your web site update says your on this silly Disso Debate Team (lol how stupid is that), and the best you can come back with is something about me on my knees.  And yes I know what a holiday is, like I said many guilds had the same problem.So, when was FD released? When did you beat the encounter?  How many days were you locked out?  I guarentee you were not trying the zone every day it was open to you.  See ishbu, dedication is being in there every day possible, blame it on holidays if you want.</div>

[MystaSkrat]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Victicus7 wrote:<BR> <DIV><BR> I guarentee you were not trying the zone every day it was open to you.  <HR> </DIV></BLOCKQUOTE><BR>I got an idea!  Let's go and die to this encounter when there's only 13 people logged in for the week!  That would be smart.  Why the [expletive haxx0red by Raijinn] do you keep bringing this up anyway?  Let it go lol

[Dogm]

<DIV>Yes, we beat it on our 3rd trip into the zone also.   The strat for Che'Drak isn't hard to figure out, so why you would accuse NPU of giving out strats (which I've never heard before, so it isn't that well known, or you are just making it up).   </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>All Vic was saying is that after you did the 5 day lockout version you had the same info as NPU did about the encounter.    </DIV>

[Victicu]

<div><blockquote><hr>MystaSkratch wrote:<div></div> <blockquote> <hr> Victicus7 wrote: <div> I guarentee you were not trying the zone every day it was open to you.  <hr> </div></blockquote>I got an idea!  Let's go and die to this encounter when there's only 13 people logged in for the week!  That would be smart.  Why the [expletive haxx0red by Raijinn] do you keep bringing this up anyway?  Let it go lol<hr></blockquote>Sounds like you have a membership problem if you can only get 13 people all week.  You still refuse to take the blame for your own shortcomings.  Instead you throw out excuses and put other guilds down, thats what ticks me off.</div>

[Ishbu]

Lets see, firist possible day to go in for us was the 15th. Then we were locked out till late on the 20th so went back in the 21st. Again locked out for 5 days and then it was the 4th of july weekend/week when we got unlocked again.But anyways, if you knew the whole story, you would know NPU used outside and inside information to learn that the encounter was being changed and the lockout was changing as some of their own members have posted on our boards. They were then able to set everything up with lockouts to their advantage. Boy I wish someone would give me that kind of information....but then Id have to make fun of myself for being lame.I think the stupid thing is you commenting on what I choose to put on our guild website, a site you obviously visit and have gone out of your way to learn the url of since we are not allowed to post it in game or on these boards. Obviously are website intrigues you.

[Ishbu]

<blockquote><hr>Dogmae wrote:<DIV>Yes, we beat it on our 3rd trip into the zone also.   The strat for Che'Drak isn't hard to figure out, so why you would accuse NPU of giving out strats (which I've never heard before, so it isn't that well known, or you are just making it up).   </DIV><DIV> </DIV><DIV>All Vic was saying is that after you did the 5 day lockout version you had the same info as NPU did about the encounter.    </DIV><hr></blockquote>They give out strats. Even on my own server they give strats to TDS.

[MystaSkrat]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Victicus7 wrote:<BR> <DIV><BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> </BLOCKQUOTE>Sounds like you have a membership problem if you can only get 13 people all week.  You still refuse to take the blame for your own shortcomings.  Instead you throw out excuses and put other guilds down, thats what ticks me off.<BR></DIV><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE>Attendance problems on the 4th of July weekend omg!!  And who did I put down?  All I <EM>ever</EM> said in this thread was that we beat NPU to Chal'Drak a second time.  Get a clue.<BR>

[Victicu]

<div><blockquote><hr>Ishboozor wrote:I think the stupid thing is you commenting on what I choose to put on our guild website, a site you obviously visit and have gone out of your way to learn the url of since we are not allowed to post it in game or on these boards. Obviously are website intrigues you.<hr></blockquote>Yes i find it very humorous.</div>

[Ishbu]

<blockquote><hr>Victicus7 wrote:<div><blockquote><hr>Ishboozor wrote:I think the stupid thing is you commenting on what I choose to put on our guild website, a site you obviously visit and have gone out of your way to learn the url of since we are not allowed to post it in game or on these boards. Obviously are website intrigues you.<hr></blockquote>Yes i find it very humorous.</div><hr></blockquote>Thats kind of the point of it all.

[Tazr]

Wow what a boring [expletive haxx0red by Raijinn] post.  Are you guys on teh same server that you cant take this to your server board? Or something...

[MystaSkrat]

No, we're not.  If you're not interested in raiding politics you shouldn't read it!  But I'm glad you could enlighten us with your opinion of the thread :smileyhappy:

[Dogm]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Ishboozor wrote:<BR><BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Victicus7 wrote:<BR> <DIV><BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Ishboozor wrote:<BR><BR>I think the stupid thing is you commenting on what I choose to put on our guild website, a site you obviously visit and have gone out of your way to learn the url of since we are not allowed to post it in game or on these boards. Obviously are website intrigues you.<BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE><BR>Yes i find it very humorous.<BR></DIV><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE><BR><BR><BR>Thats kind of the point of it all.<BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE><BR>Except  that he is lauging at you, not with you.

[Tazr]

<DIV>I came to the thread, because it was entitled .. Matron.. not who has a bigger [expletive haxx0red by Raijinn] contest.  Maybe rename the thread?</DIV>

[Gaige]

<P>Despite all this, we beat Chel'Drak before The Tribunal.  Despite our attendance policies, despite going in with no intention to win and despite him laughing at us instead of with us, we killed it first.</P> <P>Maybe he'd have something to talk about if he was in NPU or Second Dawn but...</P> <P>At any rate who cares, all I care about now is world firsting the Matron.</P>

[Pins]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Tazric wrote:<BR> Wow what a boring [expletive haxx0red by Raijinn] post.  Are you guys on teh same server that you cant take this to your server board? Or something...<BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE><BR>The sad thing is, we aren't even on the same server!  The sadder thing is, why is somebody defending another guild on another server?  I dunno.

[MystaSkrat]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Dogmae wrote:<BR> <BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Except  that he is lauging at you, not with you.<BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE></BLOCKQUOTE><BR>Not much to laugh about from his viewpoint :smileysad:

[Tazr]

<DIV>All I know is im going home for the weekend and im not more enlightened on matron than i was yesterday <grin></DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Have a great weekend guys.</DIV>

[MystaSkrat]

<P>Here, this should enlighten you! :smileytongue:</P> <P> </P> <P>The Matron is the toughest fight in the game. It wasn't meant to fall easily and was designed to push guilds really hard.</P> <P>Now obviously when we design an encounter to be right on the edge of winnable, random factors can throw a wrench into the works. A major wrench we have with raiding in general is when a mob intentionally doing a lot of damage scores a critical hit and completely destroys the stability of the fight.</P> <P>Our plan is to remove the ability for epic mobs to crit. This will allow us to more tightly control mob damage output and for you in turn to face less sudden surprises.</P> <P>We're reluctant to change much else about this fight until that code goes in, because the combination of crit removal with something else could take the Matron from being really really tough to being a cakewalk. Based on discussions I've had with some raiders, the crit change alone should be enough. But we'll keep an eye on this as we do with all our epic fights.</P> <P>I don't know whether the crit change will be done for LU26, but if not it should be in the near future.</P> <P>===========================<BR>Steve Danuser, a.k.a. Moorgard<BR>Game Designer, EverQuest II</P>

[Ishbu]

<blockquote><hr>Dogmae wrote:<BR><BLOCKQUOTE><HR>Ishboozor wrote:<BR><BR><BLOCKQUOTE><HR>Victicus7 wrote:<BR><DIV><BR><BLOCKQUOTE><HR>Ishboozor wrote:<BR><BR>I think the stupid thing is you commenting on what I choose to put on our guild website, a site you obviously visit and have gone out of your way to learn the url of since we are not allowed to post it in game or on these boards. Obviously are website intrigues you.<BR><HR></BLOCKQUOTE><BR>Yes i find it very humorous.<BR></DIV><BR><HR></BLOCKQUOTE><BR><BR><BR>Thats kind of the point of it all.<BR><HR></BLOCKQUOTE><BR>Except  that he is lauging at you, not with you.<hr></blockquote>He's laughing at me because I made a stupid update about nonsense? There is nothing to laugh with about, its a purely at thing. It was made for people to laugh at. Thats what people did. Mission accomplished.

[Victicu]

<div><blockquote><hr>Gaige wrote:<div></div> <p>Despite all this, we beat Chel'Drak before The Tribunal.  Despite our attendance policies, despite going in with no intention to win and despite him laughing at us instead of with us, we killed it first.</p> <p>Maybe he'd have something to talk about if he was in NPU or Second Dawn but...</p> <p>At any rate who cares, all I care about now is world firsting the Matron.</p><hr></blockquote>I've never complained about someone beating it before us, only Disso has.Just make sure everyone knows that you were fighting the matron with no intention to win when you dont get the world first.</div>

[MystaSkrat]

We will.

[Ishbu]

Actually nobody brought up world fist in this thread till you started posting. Again, you came in to stir up trouble it looked like. There was a misunderstanding between myself and an NPU member that was clearing up before you threw your 2cents in.

[Victicu]

<div><blockquote><hr>MystaSkratch wrote:<div></div> <blockquote> <hr> n0kn0k wrote: <div> <blockquote> <hr> snarkteeth wrote:devs were quick to change chel'drak into a fun, beatable, strategy based encounter. <hr> </blockquote>Did they change anything since NPU and SD beat it? So many have killed it since then :/</div> <hr> </blockquote>It'd be funny if they did, because we beat it a second time before NPU did.<hr></blockquote>So I came in to stir up trouble?  It was already stir'ed.</div>

[MystaSkrat]

Only if you want to look at it that way.  I wasn't trying to insult anyone there.  Can't speak for you.

[Schmoogles]

<DIV>Yes, I love the debate team !! </DIV>

[MystaSkrat]

<DIV>See what happened to your thread? :smileytongue:</DIV>

[Tazr]

Its no longer a debate, its just a combination of not backing down mixed wtih trying to get the last word in hehe

[Ishbu]

<blockquote><hr>Tazric wrote:Its no longer a debate, its just a combination of not backing down mixed wtih trying to get the last word in hehe<hr></blockquote>Ok in that case, post a follow up to this one and then lets officially call the thread dead. Everyone wins and some guy who had nothing to do with it all gets the last word!

[Feltrak]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Schmoogles wrote:<BR> <DIV>Yes, I love the debate team !! </DIV><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE> <P><BR>DDT FTW</P> <P>you guys need nicknames like wrestlers. or something.</P>

[MystaSkrat]

<DIV>dibs on Stone Cold</DIV>

[Gaige]

<DIV>Stone Cold Skratch?  God help us all.</DIV>

[MystaSkrat]

Oh hell yea

[Gaige]

That's pretty much a dumb name.  Seriously.  Its pretty dumb.  You dummy.

[MystaSkrat]

It's no worse than Gaige or Refrain! :smileytongue:

[KrayzieK]

Why the hell do people keep derailing threads with old Chel'Drak news?  Every other thread I read has been hijacked with this b/s.  [expletive haxx0red by Raijinn] about Chel'Drak the Ancient Lord, he's ANCIENT HISTORY.  Either post your progress or comments about Matron or go take your rants to a different thread.  I think Matron is killable in her current stage.  Very very very extremely difficult, but killable nonetheless. 

[MystaSkrat]

It probably is beatable, but it's a lot of luck to rely on right now, and killing the first 2 waves is just beyond mind-numbingly boring now.  And you know when people come and whine about how they don't like how a thread has turned out, noone really cares, right?  If people want to talk (or argue) about Chal'drak, I mean, who cares?  I'm sure more than one person laughed at this thread, I know I did.

[KrayzieK]

<P>I just think it's lame to post crap about other guilds like that.  How many times will you stress the same points over and over and over again.  Do you have an analysis of how often EL attempted Chel'Drak vs Dissolution?  Does it even matter?  The whole "we killed it with less total experience on the mob" stuff is really getting old.  After seeing it the 9'th time on a different thread, I was really upset to see it a 10'th, 11'th, and 12'th time here.  No, those are not exact numbers, but that's just how it feels.  But anyways, if you want to start a super debate about all of that, that's fine and dandy, I'm not telling people they can't argue.  You can argue until your heart is content, but do it in a place where it belongs okay?  Like, make a thread for it.  Don't hijack other peoples threads who had an intention to discuss other stuff.  That's like me going onto tradeskillers forums and spamming EL got 3'rd WW kill on chel'drak ... but it took us half the practice it took SD!  We also didn't beta test the mob, at all.  How's that tradeskillers?  How do you feel now that your t6 carpentry volume 60 scroll does not have recipe X thread has been conquered by leetness!  Yeah I can argue and brag all I want here to hell with your tradeskilling problems!!!! HAHAHAHA!!!!!!!!!!!!</P> <P> </P> <P> </P> <P>Okay yeah that's out of context a bit, but I'm sure you catch my drift.  There is a place for everything and Chel'Drak, the ANCIENT NEWS should be discussed, argued, whined about, and compared to on a different forum.</P>

[MystaSkrat]

Yea, but I didn't even bring it up!  I was dragged into it all, but it was fun anyway :smileyhappy:

[Gaige]

We could talk about how EL zerged to fight him for 18mins and keep people full power while being unable to kill the shadowy spawns, I suppose. <P><SPAN class=time_text>Edited to remove the term exploit and replace it with the more appropriate term, zerg.</SPAN></P><p>Message Edited by Gaige on <span class=date_text>07-29-2006</span> <span class=time_text>10:53 AM</span>

[KrayzieK]

<P>EL never exploited Chel'Drak newb.  You can cry your heart out though if you want, whatever it takes.  Cry exploit, cry beta testing, just cry.  I remember when newb guilds on our server tried saying the same stuff lol ... I'm surprised to see this foolishness from someone cross-server though who has no clue about us.  We have killed Chel'Drak in 8 minutes, we have killed him in 23 minutes.  Luck isn't the determining factor for our kills, it's skill and coordination.  Yes, we can fight off 6 shadowy warriors in a row and still kill Chel'Drak.  We can fight off 10 acolytes in a row, and still kill Chel'Drak.  No, the mob has not been nerfed.  No, the mob has not been exploited.  If it was, then our mythical item would be taken away.  I'm sure the developers would not allow a guild to get a ONE-TIME server drop item and WW 3'rd kill and keep it if there was any suspicious activity going on.  Whatever floats your boat though ya know, this is why I was getting fed up with the crap on here.  I see all these flames towards NPU and SD as if they had done something wrong for beta testing the content, and now you have the nerve to challenge EL's reputation and accuse us of exploiting a mob?  Just get over yourself ... it is possible that a guild can appear out of nowhere and make big things happen.  I guarantee the order of the first 10 kills on Chel'Drak would not have been predicted to be the way it was by anybody gamewide ... well, besides the first kill, which I guessed.  <img src="/smilies/8a80c6485cd926be453217d59a84a888.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /></P> <P> </P> <P> </P><p>Message Edited by KrayzieKal on <span class=date_text>07-28-2006</span> <span class=time_text>11:53 PM</span>

[Adrioni]

<DIV>Like Nagafen</DIV>

[Ishbu]

<DIV>If you dont like the conversation, there is nothing forcing you to enter it and start it up all over again.  If anything your posting what you posted showed that you wanted the discussion to keep going only with a focus on you for some reason.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>EDIT - oh and I correctly predicted the first two guilds to kill chel'drak before the AP even went live.  After that it was irrelevent for obvious reasons.</DIV> <P><SPAN class=time_text></SPAN> </P><p>Message Edited by Ishboozor on <span class=date_text>07-29-2006</span> <span class=time_text>01:09 AM</span>

[Adrioni]

<P>maybe its only you, I think you are taking your forum debate patrol to the head, way to seriously. or maybe you just brought your b/s to the wrong step. first npu I saw, and more them than anything, and now EL. you are known for accussin people for exploits remember DMP? btw i heard you guys epxloited that with some cheap stun. go ahead and defend yourself about it btw that makes you insecure.</P>

[Ishbu]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Adrionica wrote:<BR> <P>maybe its only you, I think you are taking your forum debate patrol to the head, way to seriously. or maybe you just brought your b/s to the wrong step. first npu I saw, and more them than anything, and now EL. you are known for accussin people for exploits remember DMP? btw i heard you guys epxloited that with some cheap stun. go ahead and defend yourself about it btw that makes you insecure.</P><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE> <P><BR>Some one please translate this for me.  I dont speak whatever language that is.</P> <P> </P> <P>EDIT - on second though, its some anonymous guy who's made a whopping 4 posts.  Who gives a [expletive haxx0red by Raijinn] what he has to say.  Probably just ignorant babble anyways.</P><p>Message Edited by Ishboozor on <span class=date_text>07-29-2006</span> <span class=time_text>01:34 AM</span>

[KrayzieK]

<P>Translate?</P> <P>You said  "Is it just me or is Kalidon VERY insecure?"</P> <P>You then edited your post into what it is now, so don't act like you don't know what he was responding to. If you checked all posts made by him you would notice the ONLY other one was of him telling one guild or another to quit whining or pointing their fingers.</P> <P>Its funny that one second you call me insecure, then the next second you are insecure about calling me insecure and decide to edit your post. I have nothing to be insecure about. Despite all this, we beat Chel'Drak before Dissolution. Despite our attendance policies, despite going in with no intention to win and despite him laughing at us instead of with us, we killed it first. </P> <P>Maybe he'd have something to talk about if he was in NPU or SD but...</P> <P>At any rate who cares, all I care about now is world firsting the Matron.  "Classic Stuff"</P> <P> </P> <P>Finally EL beats Disso to a WW kill, and now we have to put up with this crap. I really don't want to continue this but i'll be damned if you try to discredit our kill because we beat you to the punch. Just suck it up and accept the facts like we have done many times in the past. I heard so much stuff about you guys exploiting different things but you probably cannot find a SINGLE post from me accusing you of such. I heard of a few things you have done in the past that are questionable as far as exploiting goes, but you don't see me on here relaying what I heard through the grape-vine as represented facts. Nobody accused us of exploiting until I got on the forums and basically told your Troll Patrol to go make your own thread and cry there rather than hijacking threads that could potentionally fix issues that The Direvine Matron is currently having. As you can see with the other Matron thread, it has recieved developer attention. But threads like this that have allready been hijacked to hell with senseless flaming and false accusations, have no chance of getting any attention from the people sitting in office chairs except the moderators which will lock the thread. One approach leads to a positive development response, and the other route leads to thread locking.</P> <P>As saying such, I am not going to argue with you about our Chel'Drak kill anymore on this thread. If your heart so desires feel free to start another thread on this same forum and we can discuss it there. I have spoken my peace.</P>

[MystaSkrat]

I, personally, don't care who beat what first.  But, saying that a fight is working as intended when it gives you full power it you try to run out of his room? Serious?  We can beat it in 6 min tops, who needs to do that?

[Pins]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> MystaSkratch wrote:<BR> I, personally, don't care who beat what first.  But, saying that a fight is working as intended when it gives you full power it you try to run out of his room? Serious?  We can beat it in 6 min tops, who needs to do that?<BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE><BR>It doesn't give you full power, just leaves you out of combat, which combined with good drink and a totem, can give you full power pretty fast!

[MystaSkrat]

Or, you could just fight for the full 5 or 6 minutes and beat it with the power pool you have...?

[Gaige]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> MystaSkratch wrote:<BR> Or, you could just fight for the full 5 or 6 minutes and beat it with the power pool you have...?<BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE> <P>Not if the mob keeps complete healing.</P> <P>I don't care what you say Kalidon.  EL is a good guild, but you're not so amazing that you can fight an orange con raid mob for 23mins doing everything legit.  I don't think any guild can do that.</P> <P>So coming here and bragging about a 23min, 18min and 8min kill is silly.  Its never taken us more than 6.</P> <P>I just want to know how your uber healers have power for 23mins - FTeleventeenthousand?<BR></P>

[MystaSkrat]

Wow, there's a way to take yourself out of combat during this fight so you can regen power?  It doesn't sound very intended, as it would make this encounter alot easier... I'm glad we've never had to use it.

[KrayzieK]

<DIV>It's pretty funny that you guys keep pointing the exploit stick at us but really, since you asked for it, I'll clarify HOW we were able to manage a 20+ minute fight against Chel'Drak.  It's called death coordination.  Healer A, you are low on power, commit suicide.  Tank A you are out of power, commit suicide.  Add into the equation that any random shadowy mob could be up at any given time and the death coordination concept becomes more difficult.  I am not saying EL is better than any other guild as far as enduring a mob goes, but I will say that coordinating deaths for a very long pull is not an exploit.  On our second kill we got lucky and had maybe 2-3 warriors and thats why we burned it in less than 8 minutes.  The death coordination is not our "main strat", it's something we could resort to if necessary.  Luck is a definite factor of this encounter, it all depends on what type of raid setup you have.  Theoretically, I bet, a guild could kill Chel'Drak in 4 minutes or less ... either way lol, the shorter the kill, the luckier you probably got with what shadowy mob spawned.  If you have 3 fighters in the raid and you get 8 shadowy warriors, yes, that will equal out to a 23 minute fight ... or atleast that's how it was for us.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Anyways ... since you think it's so impossible, let's have a contest.  Let's see who can endure the mob the longest.  I guarantee you that I could tank the Chel'Drak encounter legit for 30 minutes straight.  I bet I could probably tank it for an hour if we really wanted to try ... but what would be the point in that?</DIV>

[Victicu]

<div>Disso being [expletive haxx0red by Raijinn]s as usual I see.  Putting guilds down... telling other guilds that they exploit... using excuses as to why someone beat them to a kill.Just normal Disso activity here folks.  Move along.</div>

[Esar]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Victicus7 wrote:<BR> <DIV>Disso being [expletive haxx0red by Raijinn]s as usual I see.  Putting guilds down... telling other guilds that they exploit... using excuses as to why someone beat them to a kill.<BR><BR>Just normal Disso activity here folks.  Move along.<BR><BR><BR></DIV><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE><BR>and the usually throwing gasoline to fuel the flames.

[Victicu]

<div><blockquote><hr>Esar wrote:<div></div> <blockquote> <hr> Victicus7 wrote: <div>Disso being [expletive haxx0red by Raijinn]s as usual I see.  Putting guilds down... telling other guilds that they exploit... using excuses as to why someone beat them to a kill.Just normal Disso activity here folks.  Move along.</div> <hr> </blockquote>and the usually throwing gasoline to fuel the flames.<hr></blockquote>wanna help?</div>

[Gaige]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> KrayzieKal wrote:<BR> We zerged it. <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE> <P>Okay sorry.  I'm not so sure that is an exploit.  Its just weaksauce.  "Death coordination"?  LoL.</P> <P> </P>

[MystaSkrat]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Victicus7 wrote:<BR> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>wanna help?<BR></DIV><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE> <P><BR>lol why are you here other than to try and [Removed for Content] people off?</P> <P> </P> <P>Kal, all I said was that it didn't seem intended if you can regen power at an out of combat rate in combat.  And it doesn't.  We've never had to use "death coordination" and I hope we never do.  But, either way, you beat it, that's what counts, no?</P>

[Victicu]

    And all you have done is claim EL has exploited.  Whats the point in that other than to [Removed for Content] people off?<div></div>

[MystaSkrat]

Quote me where I said it.

[Gaige]

<P>I said it, because I love drama!</P> <P>Just to be sure I was right though, I checked my definition of Death Coordination with a well known internet reference site:</P> <P><A href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Death_coordination" target=_blank>http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Death_coordination</A></P> <P>I like to "cover all my bases" as they say.</P><p>Message Edited by Gaige on <span class=date_text>07-29-2006</span> <span class=time_text>10:50 AM</span>

[Ishbu]

<P>Lol kalidon.  Nobody even mentioned your guild till you came into the ring.  Nobody would have cared.  You brought everything said here upon yourself and now your all upset.</P> <P>You beat us to a worldwide kill?  I could have sworn it was NPU.  I guess I was mistaken.  Or do you mean you killed it like 30minutes before us after other guilds had already beaten it?  Yeah 30minutes on the same day matters about as much as who cleared lyceum first or who cleared halls of seeing first.  Its pretty irrelavent.</P> <P>Anyways...</P> <P>You were probably better off letting gaige just say you exploited with no hard facts, because at least that is just one person's opinions.  Now everyone knows that you had to resort to zerging, something that eq2 has tried very hard to get rid of as a tactic and I wouldnt be surprised if they changed the encounter ot port everyone into the room like venekor in HoS.</P> <P>I also find it amusing that you would tell one of our members to moderate another member on these boards.  Like they have the power to do that or we would ever do that.  You then go on to tell this member how your going to just make up a bunch of crap about us to make us look bad.  Newsflash Kalidon, no matter what anyone says, everybody already has their impression of us.  50% of the people hate us, 50% love us.  Not to mention, anyone who knows anything about us, love or hate, knows we are extremely adamanent about never exploiting anything.  The most questionable thing we have ever done was kill the 3princes when they would keep respawning with a server rest or sometimes out of the blue.  We did everything in our power to get them fixed and even had confirmation that kiling them was completely legitimate because we were doing nothing wrong in the killing process nor anything that was making them repop.  So even the most questionable thing we went to great lengths to be assured was not an exploit because quite frankly, those make us sick.</P> <P>Just to end it though....lol at zerging anything.</P>

[Devizi]

Ishbu...I know a guy who brags about clearing Lyceum first.  <span>:smileyvery-happy:</span> <div></div>

[Gaige]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Devizion wrote:<BR>Ishbu...I know a guy who brags about clearing Lyceum first.  <SPAN>:smileyvery-happy:</SPAN><BR> <BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE>Isn't it in his bio?<BR>

[Darkglow]

<DIV>This [expletive haxx0red by Raijinn] is hilarous, I mean really for anyone in a high end guild to call another high end guild exploiters there is just something wrong with that. What exactly is an exploit anyways? Is it something the developers did not entent to happen? And if so why did it happen? Take for instance when Labs had no lockout and you could simply zone in kill all the adds get a few pieces of relic gear, then zone out, go back in and do it all over again as many times as you wanted.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Now i know for a fact all the high end guilds did that cause I checked all there gear and saw guilds with a lot of there members full relic in the first 3 weeks of KoS. But was it an exploit or was it something that the developers overlooked? If i had one wish i would wish for WORLD PEACE. LoL that will never happen though people are gonna constantly start drama cause they're bored with the game and need entertainment elsewhere. </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>But hey keep it up, you are all right these forums are much more entertaining now. And i can sleep soundly at night knowing peoples heads will explode from all the steam build up on these forums. GG</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>PS: HAHA KALIDON I HAVE HIJACKED THE FORUMS!!!! J/K</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Lord Doompa Forever</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Nightmare Keeper of Ethereal Legacy</DIV>

[MystaSkrat]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Darkglow wrote:<BR> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>you are all right these forums are much more entertaining now.<BR> <HR> </DIV></BLOCKQUOTE>At least someone gets what it's all about! :smileyhappy:<BR>

[Ixnay]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Victicus7 wrote:<BR> <DIV><BR>I just find it fun to argue with you cause your web site update says your on this silly Disso Debate Team (lol how stupid is that), and the best you can come back with is something about me on my knees.  <BR><BR> <HR> </DIV></BLOCKQUOTE> <P>You're still as big an idiot as you were at the beginning of DoF, when you spent over a month whining on these boards about having to upgrade your guild's T5 fabled, and wasting all the time you could have spent learning that new content and being first to upgrade your gear.  You make so many ignorant and petty posts I'm often surprised your guild ever advanced beyond Rognog.</P> <P>You have no right to talk trash about my guild until you do something before us, or beat us in any way.  Until then, sir, you are just an arrogant, opinionated, and close minded wannabee.</P> <P>Good day,<BR></P>

[Ixnay]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Victicus7 wrote:<BR> <DIV>Disso being [expletive haxx0red by Raijinn]s as usual I see.  Putting guilds down... telling other guilds that they exploit... using excuses as to why someone beat them to a kill.<BR><BR>Just normal Disso activity here folks.  Move along.<BR><BR><BR></DIV><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE><BR>Just normal trolling by someone who likes to hear himself talk.  Have you no pride, sir?

[FuRiouSQ]

Anyone beat Matron yet? Or is this topic no longer about Matron but about whos stick is bigger then whos? <div></div>

[Darkglow]

<P>No one has killed Matron yet. Just give up now the mob is impossible no one will ever kill it even if they make it green. We are all lost without hope of progressing through this game.</P> <P> </P> <P>Lord Doompa Forever</P> <P>Nightmare Keeper of Ethereal Legacy</P>

[FuRiouSQ]

But wait, you mean to tell me and others that all the "UBER" guilds have given up on a raid encounter? Lets forget about who killed Chel first or second and lets talk about this mob that is scaring the "UBER" guild to giving up. Beat this mob and then we will se who has the bigger stick eh? <span>:smileysurprised: Back to topic, anyone tried pulling the mob in the druid ring? </span><div></div>

[MystaSkrat]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <P></P> <HR> <P>FuRiouSQ wrote:<BR><SPAN></SPAN></P> <P><SPAN>Back to topic, anyone tried pulling the mob in the druid ring?<BR></P></SPAN> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE>You win the reward for most useless post ever! :smileyhappy:  Now, why didn't <EM>we</EM> think of pulling her to that nearby druid ring? :smileytongue:<BR>

[FuRiouSQ]

HAHAHA usless? least its better then saying hey guys i have a bigger stick then you <span>:smileysurprised:</span>... OK OK how bout trying to pull him to Shin? /trying to clear some tension here <span>:smileywink:</span> <div></div>

[Darkglow]

<P>Ya good idea just pull it in druid rings and chain tanks at it till its dead. But most importantly you must coordinate deaths otherwise you will never get it. Make sure you do not get caught though, coordinating deaths will get you flamed for zerging and exploiting. LOL</P> <P> </P> <P>Lord Doompa Forever</P> <P>Nightmare Keeper of Ethereal Legacy</P>

[FuRiouSQ]

Bah isnt this whats these forums are for? All flame All? If you look very close you may find 1 or 2 posts that informative <span>:smileyvery-happy:</span> Back to topic, have 4 shamans on raid, 1 in each group, put up water walk for all groups, Pull Matron to the water and fight at the bottom, AE obsolete, Matron WW kill? <span>:smileysurprised:</span><span>:smileyvery-happy:</span> <div></div>

[Darkglow]

<P>WOW that is the best strat i have heard yet. Will you be my guild leader?</P> <P> </P> <P>Lord Doompa Forever</P> <P>Nightmare Keeper of Ethereal Legacy</P>

[Victicu]

<div></div><div><blockquote><hr>Ixnay wrote:<div></div> <blockquote> <hr> Victicus7 wrote: <div>I just find it fun to argue with you cause your web site update says your on this silly Disso Debate Team (lol how stupid is that), and the best you can come back with is something about me on my knees.  <hr> </div></blockquote> <p>You're still as big an idiot as you were at the beginning of DoF, when you spent over a month whining on these boards about having to upgrade your guild's T5 fabled, and wasting all the time you could have spent learning that new content and being first to upgrade your gear.  You make so many ignorant and petty posts I'm often surprised your guild ever advanced beyond Rognog.</p> <p>You have no right to talk trash about my guild until you do something before us, or beat us in any way.  Until then, sir, you are just an arrogant, opinionated, and close minded wannabee.</p> <p>Good day,</p><hr></blockquote>glad i put such a good impression on youYet again more Disso members putting other guilds and people down. WTG!</div><p>Message Edited by Victicus7 on <span class=date_text>07-29-2006</span> <span class=time_text>12:24 PM</span>

[Victicu]

<div><blockquote><hr>Ixnay wrote:<div></div> <blockquote> <hr> Victicus7 wrote: <div>Disso being [expletive haxx0red by Raijinn]s as usual I see.  Putting guilds down... telling other guilds that they exploit... using excuses as to why someone beat them to a kill.Just normal Disso activity here folks.  Move along.</div> <hr> </blockquote>Just normal trolling by someone who likes to hear himself talk.  Have you no pride, sir?<hr></blockquote>From someone complaing about petty posts no less =)</div>

[Ishbu]

<DIV>Is it just me or victus really conconered about what disso does?  Must suck being in a guild but concentrating so much on another.</DIV>

[Victicu]

<div></div><div><blockquote><hr>Ishboozor wrote:<div>Is it just me or victus really conconered about what disso does?  Must suck being in a guild but concentrating so much on another.</div><hr></blockquote>Im leveling and alt and laughing while you guys try to zerg me on the forums.Call me crazy but i like watching you guys claw for any excuse for your shortcomings,  and if you cant find an excuse you run to personal insults.  </div><p>Message Edited by Victicus7 on <span class=date_text>07-29-2006</span> <span class=time_text>12:42 PM</span>

[MystaSkrat]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Victicus7 wrote:<BR> <DIV><BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Ishboozor wrote:<BR> <DIV>Is it just me or victus really conconered about what disso does?  Must suck being in a guild but concentrating so much on another.</DIV><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE><BR>Im leveling and alt and laughing while you guys try to zerg me on the forums.<BR></DIV><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE><BR>I can solo you, and I'm an assassin! :smileytongue:

[FuRiouSQ]

<blockquote><hr>Darkglow wrote:<div></div> <p>WOW that is the best strat i have heard yet. Will you be my guild leader?</p> <p>Lord Doompa Forever</p> <p>Nightmare Keeper of Ethereal Legacy</p><hr></blockquote>LOL pretty impresive eh? Glade you liked it, too bad it didnt stop the bashing here <span>:smileymad:</span><div></div>

[Ixnay]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Victicus7 wrote:<BR> <DIV><BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Ishboozor wrote:<BR> <DIV>Is it just me or victus really conconered about what disso does?  Must suck being in a guild but concentrating so much on another.</DIV><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE><BR>Im leveling and alt and laughing while you guys try to zerg me on the forums.<BR><BR>Call me crazy but i like watching you guys claw for any excuse for your shortcomings,  and if you cant find an excuse you run to personal insults.  <BR></DIV> <P><BR>  <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE> <P>Insulting us for doing the same things you are doing in this thread makes you so cool and funny, har har!<BR></P>

[Victicu]

<div><blockquote><hr>Ixnay wrote:<div></div> <blockquote> <hr> Victicus7 wrote: <div></div> <div> <blockquote> <hr> Ishboozor wrote: <div>Is it just me or victus really conconered about what disso does?  Must suck being in a guild but concentrating so much on another.</div> <hr> </blockquote>Im leveling and alt and laughing while you guys try to zerg me on the forums.Call me crazy but i like watching you guys claw for any excuse for your shortcomings,  and if you cant find an excuse you run to personal insults.  </div> <p>  </p><hr> </blockquote> <p>Insulting us for doing the same things you are doing in this thread makes you so cool and funny, har har!</p><hr></blockquote>Dont you just hate it?</div>

[Darkglow]

<DIV>You are all dilettantes bow before me and learn the ways of the Doompa.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Lord Doompa Forever</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Nightmare Keeper of Ethereal Legacy</DIV>

[FuRiouSQ]

Doompa from the chocolate factory? /hail <div></div>

[Ixnay]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> FuRiouSQ wrote:<BR>Doompa from the chocolate factory?<BR><BR>/hail<BR> <BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE><BR>Wouldn't that be Oompa Loompa?

[Ishbu]

<P>I just realized that victicus is one of those guys that doesnt realize we post here for our own amusement.</P> <P>Letting idiots know just how dumb they are is fun for us.  </P> <P>I figure that was obvious but evidentally it was too complicated...</P>

[Victicu]

<div><blockquote><hr>Ishboozor wrote:<div></div> <p>I just realized that victicus is one of those guys that doesnt realize we post here for our own amusement.</p> <p>Letting idiots know just how dumb they are is fun for us.  </p> <p>I figure that was obvious but evidentally it was too complicated...</p><hr></blockquote>guess we have something in common after all</div>

[MystaSkrat]

Except all you've done is complain about how all we do is put other people down and hurt their feelings.  Which, I try not to do in all honesty, but you make it so hard to resist :smileyhappy:

[FuRiouSQ]

Ah  thats right, maybe related to Doompa? <div></div>

[KrayzieK]

<DIV>You are trying to kick knowledge again as if you know what you're talking about, that is aboslutely hilarious. I find it funny you as a leader try to make up false facts and tell someone they are best off giving up.  You aren't worthy of insulting someone like that, you aren't anyone special, [expletive haxx0red by Raijinn] sure not more special than me. Us beating you on Chel'Drak is a fact. We beat you by almost 2hours, where you beat TT by about 5minutes. You insulted their guilds credit because you beat them by a lousy 5mintues? I didn't start anything, i'm finishing it. I said what I had to say yesterday when you replied to my post and changed it on seconds notice, next day comes around and you have your superman mentality on again. I understand you have to maintain your physique as a Guild-leader, I just don't think your going about it the right way. So while you are crying about one guild or another beating you on a kill or exploiting a mob, I just hope you realize your empty threats and accusations scare no-one, they don't even intimidate me. If it wasn't for the simple fact that people read these posts and I actually do care about my credibility, then i'd probably leave you to your hunt. But fact is everyone does read these forums, and while you are trying to look "hard" you are actually looking like a clown. </DIV>

[KrayzieK]

<P>Newsflash</P> <P>Kalidon Jowns was here!</P> <P>I like your "ignorant" theory where you post to amuse yourself. Almost reminds me of myself sometimes, except you have the entire internet tough-guy thing instead of really being like that. Thats cool homie more power to you!</P>

[Gaige]

<P>This just in:  Kalidon buys all his raid strats from uber StarCraft players.</P> <P>Zerg ftw!!</P>

[Ishbu]

<DIV>Oh so this is all about how you want everyone to think your cool because you killed a mob on the same day as a couple other guilds.  I get it now.  </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Killing it on the same day is the same thing.  NPU killed it, seconddawn killed it, a handful of other guilds killed it and Im still not convinced it wasnt nerfed in some way when they did.  You hear that Kalidon, your not special.  Nobody thinks your special.  And if your not very good at reading (a very real possibility since you cant even figure out what a paragraph is) Im saying we're not special for beating it when we did.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>See your very very sensative.  I made no threats.  I would like to find out where I did make a threat.  Go ahead, find it.  Oh there arent any threats.  There goes some credibitlity.  By the way, if you cared so much about your credibitlity you probably wouldnt have run away from Eternal Chaos in the first place.   I guess if you really wanted to bring this up we can.  EC owned you.  You ran from EC to the one server you knew would be easy to recruit players to because everytime a high leve, full equipped character quits the game, their character ends up on your server.  Then people buy said character and you have a full equipped toon in guild.  The option of someone leaving your guild and removing their character that your guild equipped isnt a possiblity or a reality for you, like it is every other server.  You needed special rules to play by evidentally.  Im not sure why you would want to call attention to your credibility though?</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>If you would like though, I can point you to several posts where I looked like a clown, this is certantly not one that ranks up there.  I would say posting something like, I order my members to die because we arent good enough to kill the mob straight up and have to instead zerg it would make me look like a clown, but I didnt post that, you did.  Why did you want to bring that up again?  It wasnt enough we had already had a good long laugh at you and you wanted us to have another?</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>I beleive it was Amend who first cleared lyceum when it was released.  OMG Amend owns every other guild because they killed it the same day as a bunch of other people!  FoH killed Venekokr in HoS first.  OMG FoH owns every other guild because they killed it the same day as a bunch of other people!  Oh wait, I dont remember any posts by those guilds claiming such facts, because they were smart enough to realize that killing it on the same day only a matter of a couple minutes/hours earlier isnt important.  But, if they had made posts, at least those guilds could claim they were the first ones.  You cant even claim that.  Your puffing out your chest about doing something 2 other guilds did the same day that qualifies for the 3-5 spots?  I guess if your proud of being the third loser thats your thing, but again, why would you even want to call attention to that?</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>All Im getting out of your post is that you like being belittled.  Are you one of those self hating people?  Or maybe you just get some sort of phsycial pleasure from pain?  Either way, you need help.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>PS -  The zerg were in starcraft, your playing the wrong game if you need them to win.</DIV>

[KrayzieK]

<P>Your post is filled with so much b/s there is no point even reading it all. You threatened us that we should just give up before Gaige explained how we exploited the mob. You understand now? Look in a dictionary and learn the correct definitions to particular words before you base all of your credit on them. Even killing it same-day, before someone else doesn't matter, then why did Gaige say that about TT? Hahahahah</P> <P>You can keep crying to make yourself look better while you even accuse me of trying to look cool, unlike you I don't get off from the forums. As far as Faydark goes, who cares it was in T5 LOL. And us and EC are actually very friendly guilds amongst eachother. Maybe thats the difference with us, not only do we know how to dominate a server but on our path to dominating, we left a very good impression. You talk so much [expletive haxx0red by Raijinn] I can imagine how you treat other guilds on your server. The entire thing about 50% hate us/like us, blah blah blah, is B/S. I always liked Dissolution and think you are a great guild. I think you are a foolish leader for trying to burn these worldwide guilds down though, honestly I think you are the one everyone is laughing at. Well besides the ones posting with you.</P> <P> </P> <P>This started from you complaining from 1 thread, over about 10, burning NPU SD, burning TT, and now burning EL. Believe it or not, jokes on you. You aren't no.1 never was, quit acting like it. TBH I think if Magank was still around maybe you would be no.1 keep trying Ishbu. I am content with my guild and my server, you guys are all gonna end up on Bazarr anyways just like your maker so maybe one day we'll be able to squash this. Until then it will be a never ending flame war because there is no way you will out-do me especially if your best attack is related to Faydark.</P> <P>Keep in mind we beat all T5 mobs including brutal before T6 hit, we were amongst the best then, and now. Nothigns changed, so what does us moving to shadowhaven have to do with anything? You switch topics so much its hard to understand what you are really trying to say. From my personal experience of reading your posts you probably just want me to understand that I am a fool or something, which will never happen. Hopefully you understand that your e-p isn't Al Capone status, more like Jim Carry status.</P><p>Message Edited by KrayzieKal on <span class=date_text>07-29-2006</span> <span class=time_text>02:26 PM</span>

[MystaSkrat]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> KrayzieKal wrote:<BR> <P> honestly I think you are the one everyone is laughing at. Well besides the ones posting with you.</P> <P></P> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE><BR>I'm still laughing at you killing your players on purpose so they have full power.  Oops, guess I'm getting laughed at now.  /cry

[Ishbu]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> KrayzieKal wrote:<BR> <P>Your post is filled with so much b/s there is no point even reading it all. You threatened us that we should just give up before Gaige explained how we exploited the mob.</P> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE> <P><BR>Care to show us all where? </P> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> KrayzieKal wrote:<BR> <P>As far as Faydark goes, who cares it was in T5 LOL.</P> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE> <P>So in conclusion, you werent good enough and had to run.</P> <P> </P> <P>As for the rest, Kalidon, havent you realize that your opinions are nothing but those of some guy who lost his credibilty back in t5?  You werent good enough and had to run to a server with special rules for god's sake.  Thats pathetic.  Honestly this thread didnt have any bashing about your guild till you came in bashing other guilds.  Thats on you.  Why you wanted to call attention to your flaws and horrible strategies is beyond me.  I would feel cold, bitter, shame if I had to resort to zerging mobs.  But then again, I dont enjoy being a pathetic loser.</P> <P>I could touch more on the Magank issue but your too clueless to even understand Dissolution and their creation wasnt even Magank's idea.  Heck, you dont know anything about Magank even and its obvious to anyone that did from what you wrote.  Although I do remember what Magank said about you.  Im not sure you'd want them repeated and I certantly cant post them word for word because I would surely get banned for attacking another player's intelligence, skill, and all around usefullness.</P> <P>You see kalidon, your nothing but another idiot tank who thinks that because you hit the taunt button you actualy understand how to run things.  Your own members talk about how horrible your loot policies are and how you do such a bad job with things.  You only have any form of success because you ran from Eternal Chaos and to a server where all the high level, well equipped people who quit the game from raid guidls like ours end up.  Without that influx you wouldnt have anything.  Hell many of your members ask us for strats and help on doing DPS because your not even good enough to guide them to playing their class well.  </P> <P>And finally, and this is the best part for me, you think I actually care about what everyone on these boards things of me.  Unlike you who says you really do care about the credibilty you dont have, I dont give a [expletive haxx0red by Raijinn] what people think of me.  I just speak the truth and tell it like I see it.  That kind of the way Dissolution works.  We dont even have an [Removed for Content] because we dont care.  It must hurt though being you and caring so much about it but knowing that your nothing but a wannabe who couldnt hack it on a real server.</P> <P>The bottom line kalidon is that you couldnt handle EC and you ran.  You had to run to a server with special rules to help you over other guilds on other servers.  And furthermore you still cant do anything respectably because you need to zerg it.  Your pathetic.  Do you know why people dont respect Chaotic Legion?  Its because they ran from competition and try to use pathetic measures to beat encounters.  Sounds a lot like your guild.  Oh wait, most people dont give you any credibitilty either.  Unfortunately for you, you care about such things.  I dont think you could actually get anymore pathetic.</P>

[thorvang]

i'd love to see you all moved to one server <img src="/smilies/69934afc394145350659cd7add244ca9.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />

[Ishbu]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> thorvang wrote:<BR>i'd love to see you all moved to one server <img src="/smilies/69934afc394145350659cd7add244ca9.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE> <P><BR>So would I....but Kalidon would just turn and run like he has done before, or like CL did, or like tunabash did.....</P> <P>EDIT - Unless it was a PvP server because I know for a fact that Kalidon has great zerging skills!</P><p>Message Edited by Ishboozor on <span class=date_text>07-29-2006</span> <span class=time_text>03:05 PM</span>

[thorvang]

now that you mention it... where's tunabash? Oo

[catweaver]

<blockquote><hr>Ishboozor wrote:<div></div> <div></div> <blockquote> <hr> thorvang wrote:i'd love to see you all moved to one server <img src="/smilies/69934afc394145350659cd7add244ca9.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /> <hr> </blockquote> <p>So would I....but Kalidon would just turn and run like he has done before, or like CL did, or like tunabash did.....</p> <p>EDIT - Unless it was a PvP server because I know for a fact that Kalidon has great zerging skills!</p><p>Message Edited by Ishboozor on <span class="date_text">07-29-2006</span> <span class="time_text">03:05 PM</span></p><hr></blockquote> Wow. I used to read your posts and even when I disagreed with you, I still had some respect for you based on the fact that you seemed to know what you were talking about.  To see all this idiocy now and read you insulting Kalidon and Ethereal Legacy because we beat you to a kill - *shakes head*. We did not exploit the kill. We did not zerg the kill.  We have killed Chel'drak 3 times now and it's been an amazing event and truly shown how EL communication and cooperation has worked in the guild. Lubij, Ethereal Legacy 70 Fury <div></div>

[Gaige]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <P></P> <HR> catweaver wrote:<BR>We did not exploit the kill. We did not zerg the kill.  We have killed Chel'drak 3 times now and it's been an amazing event and truly shown how EL communication and cooperation has worked in the guild. <P>Lubij, Ethereal Legacy<BR>70 Fury</P> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE> <P>I'm sorry, but Kalidon already admitted to zerging Chel'Drak.  Its how your guild was able to stay in the encounter for 23mins.  If a healer gets low, he commits suicide, revives so he is out of combat and regains mana and then joins the fight.</P> <P>An encounter which is won by members of the raid reviving over and over and returning to the fight full mana/health is called - zerging.</P> <P>I mean seriously...<BR></P>

[Pins]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> KrayzieKal wrote:<BR> <DIV>It's pretty funny that you guys keep pointing the exploit stick at us but really, since you asked for it, I'll clarify HOW we were able to manage a 20+ minute fight against Chel'Drak.  It's called death coordination.  Healer A, you are low on power, commit suicide.  Tank A you are out of power, commit suicide.  Add into the equation that any random shadowy mob could be up at any given time and the death coordination concept becomes more difficult.  I am not saying EL is better than any other guild as far as enduring a mob goes, but I will say that coordinating deaths for a very long pull is not an exploit.  On our second kill we got lucky and had maybe 2-3 warriors and thats why we burned it in less than 8 minutes.  The death coordination is not our "main strat", it's something we could resort to if necessary.  Luck is a definite factor of this encounter, it all depends on what type of raid setup you have.  Theoretically, I bet, a guild could kill Chel'Drak in 4 minutes or less ... either way lol, the shorter the kill, the luckier you probably got with what shadowy mob spawned.  If you have 3 fighters in the raid and you get 8 shadowy warriors, yes, that will equal out to a 23 minute fight ... or atleast that's how it was for us.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Anyways ... since you think it's so impossible, let's have a contest.  Let's see who can endure the mob the longest.  I guarantee you that I could tank the Chel'Drak encounter legit for 30 minutes straight.  I bet I could probably tank it for an hour if we really wanted to try ... but what would be the point in that?</DIV><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE> <P>Just so that he ever edits this post, it'll be here for everybody to look at.</P> <P>Death Co-ordination is zerger.<BR></P>

[Ishbu]

<P>Lubij, if I were you, I would tell Kalidon that if he didnt want to bring his guild into the discussion, he certantly shouldnt have brought them in.  NOBODY was talking about EL.  Then kalidon came in running his mouth and that let to telling everyone how you zerg.  I still dont understand why.</P> <P>I repeate, if kalidon had never starting runnign his mouth, nobody would have said anything about EL.  Your tool of a guild leader opened his and now a lot of your members(yourself included) are offended.  As we speak Im in tells with 2 of your members who are insulted by this whole situation.  They wouldnt feel that way if your own guild leader hadnt stood up for a public humiliation.</P>

[Adrioni]

<DIV>I understand it now Ishbu thinks his [expletive haxx0red by Raijinn] don't stink thats about it, next time you hit the toilet take a wiff and realize it don't smell like roses and you are like everyone else</DIV>

[KrayzieK]

<DIV>Last time I checked you were the one who invented the "zerge."  That is how you were able to take down Jura'Nata without the ring right?  You had a conjuror pet-pull Jura'Nata to the third floor while everybody else revive zerged the adds.  Last time I checked you also invented the "exploit."  That's what the broken stun poison was that you used on DMP is right?  Or was it the warden root?  How about the out of combat bug that you used to avoid AOE and sit full power while playing with the music tree?  How about you exploiting the Three Princes over and over again?  How about the full relic every member in your guild had after day 3 of lab farming?  How about admitting you tried zerging the Night Blood in Halls of Seeing?</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>You keep switchin things up man what is it gonna be ... are we exploiters, are we zergers, are we chaotic legion incarnate?  Are we a 120 member guild on Faydark who didn't even have half the member count above level 40?</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>But anyways, one day, we will all be moved to one server.  One day I will see Ishbu's powerful character farming wooly spiders in everfrost.  You talk about running ... but once you get to the graveyard server, there is no turning back.  So test your luck, or talk your bull.  And please try to discredit EL because we are on an exchange server ... I always love that.  You say I am a mindless tank that merely taunts ... but fail to realize that I have also been the raid leader of Ethereal for years.  You have the most ignorant and childish insults.  But that's what you do.  That's what DDT is made for.  As you say yourself you love to [expletive haxx0red by Raijinn], whine, moan, debate, flame, and complain.  I'm sorry that I do not have such an immense fascination with the forums like you do.  I don't live for this stuff.  I play the game, and I do stuff in my off-time.  I really shouldn't be wasting my life away arguing with DDT.  I'm like the newb convict, pleading my own case and calling my own witnesses in court.  You guys are like Johnie Cochran, rolling 3 deep and all using the same Chewbaca story.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>I used to actually care about what you thought or had to say.  I used to think that recognition amongst guilds such as yours was actually worth something.  I now realize though how much of a fool you really are.  You aren't any better than the next guy lol, you really think you are?  Trust me there is no public humiliation going on.  You keep talking down on EL so bad yet we killed the mob before you, and thats what counts right?  Nobody is talking smack on EL except you and your troll patrol ... get a grip, you are not the voice of the world.  </DIV>

[KrayzieK]

<DIV>You keep saying I admitted to zerging, but sorry, that's crap.  We aren't a Starcraft guild.  You mean to tell me nobody in your raid has ever died on purpose and then used their power book?  That would be considered a zerge also right?  I mean, a full raid of people dying over and over again and overwhelming a mob with bodies is really considered zerging.  That's what you guys did on Jura'Nata.  Thats what could be done on K'Dal in T5.  Having a healer or two die on purpose during Chel'Drak is not zerging.  A healer is just as likely to die on accident and revive, so is that any more acceptable?  Are you saying that if chel'drak uses a critical AOE and 1 healer dies and then revives, your whole raid just zerged the encounter?  </DIV>

[Ishbu]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> KrayzieKal wrote:<BR> <DIV>Last time I checked you were the one who invented the "zerge."  That is how you were able to take down Jura'Nata without the ring right?  You had a conjuror pet-pull Jura'Nata to the third floor while everybody else revive zerged the adds.  Last time I checked you also invented the "exploit."  That's what the broken stun poison was that you used on DMP is right?  Or was it the warden root?  How about the out of combat bug that you used to avoid AOE and sit full power while playing with the music tree?  How about you exploiting the Three Princes over and over again?  How about the full relic every member in your guild had after day 3 of lab farming?  How about admitting you tried zerging the Night Blood in Halls of Seeing?</DIV> <DIV> <HR> </DIV></BLOCKQUOTE> <P> </P> <P><IMG src="http://img82.imageshack.us/img82/1944/kalidontalkof7.jpg"></P> <P> </P> <P>Maybe next time before making stuff up you wont tell us that you plan on doing so?</P> <P> </P> <P>ZERRRRRRRRRRGGGGGGGGGGGGG!!!!!!</P>

[Gaige]

<P>To settle this once and for all they should make it unable to enter the chamber and the fight if you revive.  Block you inside that tunnel until the mob is dead or the raid wipes.</P> <P>But then, that would only affect a few guilds who zerg the encounter anyway.</P>

[KrayzieK]

<P>lol dude, I told skratch that gaige was a total idiot and that him spreading lies about us on the forums is just plain ignorant.  I asked him to tell gaige to stop with the b/s and he said he can't, there is nothing he can do, nobody is Gaige's daddy.  I said okay then so it will be okay if I just post random ignorant stuff that I make up about your guild?  Do you really want to go into a never-ending flame war where people make stuff up about the other guild just to [Removed for Content] them off?  Gaige started it, Skratch admitted that he only posted that EL exploits because of his PERSONAL disliking for me.  All I was trying to accomplish with sending tells to Skratch was peace.  I don't think this crap belongs on the forums and was just letting you know that I could be just as ignorant and childish and make false accusations about you guys just like you are doing to us.</P> <P> </P> <P>As far as making stuff up, yeah, you guys exploited King Drayek.  And Fountain of Life ... and Darathar.  You definitely zerged spirit of vox, and pedestal of sky.  You definitely zerged all of Gates.  There you go, I did as promised, I made stuff up.</P> <P> </P> <P>The other stuff tho about Jura'Nata and Djinn Master's Prism, the full relic in 2 days and Princes exploiting ... all that stuff is true per members of your own guild ... you denying that now lol?</P>

[Adrioni]

<P>this is channel 5live and we are in heavy debate with the DDT team. I have a question to the leader</P> <P>Is it true you left your server for a spell and then almost did not get back in because magank didn't want to share leader with you? i might be wrong you said we know nothin thats why im askin i remember seein your character on diff server</P> <P>oh and there is no once and for all, you think your lame end quotes are like a braveheart freedom call but theyre not you are like superdork lawyer eq2 forums 4000! goodluck with your never ending flames cuz you dont care. you yourself said you are saying a bunch of b/s just because thats what you do and you realize its b/s. right? don't even lie.</P>

[Ishbu]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Adrionica wrote:<BR> <P>this is channel 5live and we are in heavy debate with the DDT team. I have a question to the leader</P> <P>Is it true you left your server for a spell and then almost did not get back in because magank didn't want to share leader with you? i might be wrong you said we know nothin thats why im askin i remember seein your character on diff server</P> <P>oh and there is no once and for all, you think your lame end quotes are like a braveheart freedom call but theyre not you are like superdork lawyer eq2 forums 4000! goodluck with your never ending flames cuz you dont care. you yourself said you are saying a bunch of b/s just because thats what you do and you realize its b/s. right? don't even lie.</P><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE><BR>Not true.  Long story short there was a period of time when Magank booted me from disso.  After being told by several members he made a mistake and me decided what I wanted to do I was brought back and shortly after made leader once again.  There are many more details but I dont need to bore you with them.

[Scarrlette]

<P>I think this thread has outlived its usefulness...Time to let it die.</P> <P> </P>