Fighting Alzid, resetting Vymm. FYI on the heal bug

[khufure]

Hi all,I was raiding Labs with a group a few days ago.  We fight this duo by resetting Vymm and getting Alzid first.  Whether this is right or optimal is another topic.  I wanted to let everyone know that we took down Alzid in our last run after he healed slightly more than 100 times at 13%.  It does not seem to be power related.  I am not sure what the reason for why he stopped healing.  We were speculating that if we dropped Alzid's health from 14% to 12% it would skip the bug.  Unfortuantely timing the damage for this drop for about 20 heals we could not get him to stop healing.  About 5 minutes after we gave up on this tactic he died.<div></div>

[ChaosUndivided]

Theirs multiple topics about this already including a 7 page one on the encounter right on the 1st page.

[khufure]

This is information specifically about resetting Vymm, then fighting Prime.  The other topics seem more general.  If there is one that is the same I apologize for duplicating posts.

[Miroh]

<div></div><b><i><font color="#ff0000">yeah, thanks for the info......umm yeah......</font></i></b><div></div><p>Message Edited by Miroh69 on <span class=date_text>07-24-2006</span> <span class=time_text>06:18 PM</span>

[AlexT]

<DIV>Just tank both at once it so much simpler</DIV>

[Yunga_511]

<DIV>Or Reset Alzid and Kill Vyemm First..</DIV>

[Rinio]

<DIV>uh...does anyone bother to look at his buff bar. he has something on him forgot the name but the description is, "Prime Refuses to die while his master is still alive" or something like that.</DIV> <DIV>Basiclly the fight is meant to be dual tanked and alzid to be a nuisance the entire time. but they can be split to kill vyemm first.</DIV>

[KFizzle]

<P>Without knowing who it was that started this thread, i know it was someone i raided with Sunday. We rule despite our sucking. I mean wait, what?</P> <P> </P> <P>But if theres a way to split them and take Vyemm first without prime (without a coercer/Illusionist) please let me know, cause i'd love to try it.</P>

[Pins]

<blockquote><hr>kfizzle wrote: <P>Without knowing who it was that started this thread, i know it was someone i raided with Sunday. We rule despite our sucking. I mean wait, what?</P> <P> </P> <P>But if theres a way to split them and take Vyemm first without prime (without a coercer/Illusionist) please let me know, cause i'd love to try it.</P><hr></blockquote> If you can split Alzid Prime off, you can split Vyemm off with the same strategy!

[Ishbu]

Yeah lol. Why would anyone go through all that hassle for one of the easiest mobs around? Thats just annoying.

[khufure]

Hi Kajar.  Yes its Timtheenchanter.  What's up <img src="/smilies/8a80c6485cd926be453217d59a84a888.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />As mentioned in my first post, this topic is for informational purpose.  I am sure there are better groups and that there are other strategies that work better.  Please don't make it a post about you or your strategies.Thanks.<div></div>

[KFizzle]

<DIV>Aww come on, every thread i post on, becomes a topic about me. BTW TimTheEnchanter is not an enchanter, what a friggen misnomer.</DIV>

[Xunen]

<DIV>So what is this topic all about? Do you want to tell us that your strat to kill this encounter is crap, or that you can't kill Azid before Vyemm? I think everyone, who can read some buff description will know that, or should even notice it after Alzid heals for a 100 times. Very exciting thread.</DIV>

[Yunga_511]

<DIV>basically you have 3 ways to go about this...</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>1.) Get a Coercer and Amnesia Alzid and Kill Vyemm First...</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>2.) Grab a Monk, Get him to pull vyemm, Grab a Summoner with Scout pet to send pet in on Vyemm and Run Alzid up to the reset Point</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>3.) Fight them Both Together</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>theres a % Chance u can Fight Alzid and he doesnt heal....but When we tryed it way back we was fighting for least 45 mins..</DIV>

[Dravendar]

We've killed Prime b4 Vyemm and the fights never usually last more than 8 minutes.  We just dps the crap out of it.  <div></div>

[Ishbu]

Ok someone seriously explain this to me. If you are killing both alzid prime and vyemm eventually, why would you ever kill alzid first? Why not just kill vyemm first and then not even worry about a possibility of alzid prime healing. It just doesnt make sense to me.

[Pins]

<blockquote><hr>Ishboozor wrote:Ok someone seriously explain this to me. If you are killing both alzid prime and vyemm eventually, why would you ever kill alzid first? Why not just kill vyemm first and then not even worry about a possibility of alzid prime healing. It just doesnt make sense to me.<hr></blockquote>Because people don't seem to understand it at all, and thus are nubified!

[Aandien]

<DIV>I would guess the main reason is Vyemm isn't an entirely trivial fight for a lot of people.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Thus, there is the risk they could be wiping over and over on Vyemm trying to kill him -- and potentially running out of gear before doing so.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Thus, killing prime first would be ideal because you get some loot off of him.  Whereas trying Vyemm over and over again might or might not result in a waste of time.  Not to mention for those that do have difficulty on Vyemm -- having to split the two every attempt introduces things that could go wrong with the split.  Thus you would want to minimize the number of times you have to split them.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Seems logical to me.</DIV>

[KFizzle]

<DIV>That Elster dude above me nailed it almost perfectly. It's not 'trivial' to us (despite my own uberosity) to fight Vyemm, but the prob is this ... We don't quite know how to get em seperate (Well, till someone mentioned a way in this very thread) without a coercer, that doesnt end in us fighting Prime first. Trust me, I have alot better things to do than fight Prime for an hour, but sometimes you gotta take one for the team.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>We try to minimize the amount of deaths, and remember it's not like we're all geared to Disso standards (even though i wish i was). Heck i've even still got a pair of treasured items (My stupid earring is that Planar orb of the Warrior POS, and the bracers i use are those stupid uh red ones with the uh +64 to S/C/P).</DIV>

[khufure]

I've mentioned in the thread twice now this thread is for informational purposes only.  Here it is a third time.  Please don't make this post about trying another strategy.  This post is for information on fighting Alzid first.  I don't care if it is the best way, the worst way, or somewhere inbetween.<div></div>

[khufure]

Xunen - post is for informational purposes to help other people.  It's to let people know if they are fighting Alzid here is some information about that strategy.  Also it would be nice if the devs could comment as I think 100+ heals is ridiculous.  But I don't think its likely.I didn't intend it to be an exciting post, or to have to reply multiple times.  I had in mind an FYI no reply thread.<div></div>

[3C HAVOK]

The Devs have posted aobut this fight, Its posted on alzid prime in his buffs. <div></div>

[Fat T]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Ishboozor wrote:<BR>Ok someone seriously explain this to me. If you are killing both alzid prime and vyemm eventually, why would you ever kill alzid first? Why not just kill vyemm first and then not even worry about a possibility of alzid prime healing. <BR><BR>It just doesnt make sense to me.<BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE><BR>Because when we were first learning the encounter we didn't have a coercer, and grabbing Alzid single was the simplest way to get either single to learn about each mobs abilities.  We've never had an Alzid battle for longer than 3 or 4 minutes so we just haven't attempted to fix what's not broken for us.  Could we tank them both at the same time?  Yeah, sure, we just haven't decided that it's worth it yet.

[ChaosUndivided]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> khufure wrote:<BR>Xunen - post is for informational purposes to help other people.  It's to let people know if they are fighting Alzid here is some information about that strategy.  Also it would be nice if the devs could comment as I think 100+ heals is ridiculous.  But I don't think its likely.<BR><BR>I didn't intend it to be an exciting post, or to have to reply multiple times.  I had in mind an FYI no reply thread.<BR><BR><BR> <BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE> <P>Why should they comment? it's NOT A BUG. Working as intended. Your supposed to kill Vyemm 1st Plain and Simple. Their is no Bug about it. Your just upset that you can't bypass the way the encounter is supposed to work then saying it is a bug.</P> <P>I don't know what more you want, Alzid even has a buff that EXPLAINS WHAT TO DO.</P> <P>Devs do not change this, people should L2P.<BR></P>

[KFizzle]

Just so its known, I was trying to tell everyone its not a bug and that its intended that way ..... Its just that we're better than SOE so we can get around what they want us to do :smileywink:

[Loranthala]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> kfizzle wrote:<BR> Just so its known, I was trying to tell everyone its not a bug and that its intended that way ..... Its just that we're better than SOE so we can get around what they want us to do :smileywink:<BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE><BR>lol, if you have  a lot of time to waste <img src="/smilies/69934afc394145350659cd7add244ca9.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />

[KFizzle]

<DIV>lol true, but i have trouble convincing people of the fact that I am the one true God, and that they should all listen to me. As it is, only about 10 or so people at a raid know that ... the other 14 seem to either not recognize that fact or just deny it, therefore not listening to me that we can take Vyemm first almost the exact same way as we take Prime.</DIV>

[Felshades]

im tryin to figure out if they 'fixed' the encounter.. the way i always did it with resetting alzid apparently wasnt working the last time we were in there. used to pull grab vyemm and run prime back up till he would reset.  doesnt want to work anymore. :/  hmm <div></div>