language is required

[Jukk]

So, you do the claymore quest-line, pretty fun I think.But then...you must have <b>draconic language quest</b> or you cannot progress.HOW FUN.This is ofcourse a RAID quest...(T5).You can't even <b>zone into</b> the instance without being in a big guild...and start the quest.<i>What a perfect layout of that quest.</i>Guess it's *delete* on the claymore questline then...just great.<div></div>

[vinterskugge]

<DIV><BR></DIV> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Jukken wrote:<BR>So, you do the claymore quest-line, pretty fun I think.<BR><BR>But then...you must have <B>draconic language quest</B> or you cannot progress.<BR><BR>HOW FUN.<BR><BR>This is ofcourse a RAID quest...(T5).<BR>You can't even <B>zone into</B> the instance without being in a big guild...and start the quest.<BR><BR><I>What a perfect layout of that quest.</I><BR><BR>Guess it's *delete* on the claymore questline then...just great.<BR> <BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE> <DIV>The claymore questline needs T7 raiding too.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Are you sure it's Draconic you need and not Druzaic?  I don't pay attention to languages because I have them all, but I thought Draconic was only for Deathtoll access.<BR></DIV>

[Aandien]

<DIV>If you are level 70, you should be able to do all of the appropriate T5 quest steps with a single group -- or even less.</DIV>

[Jukk]

No need for raid in claymoore...when you're still stuck in <b>sanctum</b>...Yeah, probably could do solo or with just a few people...but <b>can't even zone into</b> the raid-version of maidens.Isn't that great developer thinking?<div></div>

[Ddrak]

Err.... you could single group the Maiden's Gulch instance at lv50 (it's a x2 zone). I dare say that you could probably duo it at lv70. Did you even try to do it before whining?Dd

[vinterskugge]

<DIV>Why do you need Draconic?  Who are you trying to speak to?</DIV>

[Star]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Jukken wrote:<BR>So, you do the claymore quest-line, pretty fun I think.<BR><BR>But then...you must have <B>draconic language quest</B> or you cannot progress.<BR><BR>HOW FUN.<BR><BR>This is ofcourse a RAID quest...(T5).<BR><STRONG>You can't even zone into the instance without being in a big guild...and start the quest.<BR></STRONG><BR><I>What a perfect layout of that quest.</I><BR><BR>Guess it's *delete* on the claymore questline then...just great.<BR> <BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE>Wrong, at lvl 70 you could certianly one grp the raid needed to start the draconic language. People at 60 have one grouped it. Plus it's only a x2 raid to begin with. And in the end the Claymore line, as stated, requires a T7 x4 raid to finish, I think that's gonna be a bigger stumbling block than a T5 x2, but that's just me.<BR>

[Star]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Jukken wrote:<BR>No need for raid in claymoore...when you're still stuck in <B>sanctum</B>...<BR><BR><BR>Yeah, probably could do solo or with just a few people...but <B>can't even zone into</B> the raid-version of maidens.<BR>Isn't that great developer thinking?<BR> <BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE><BR>If you can't zone in you need to run back towards the Temple of Ro an look for the Sage's Assistant I believe. You hail him and he asks you to rescue his master (the Sage of Ages). This give you access to the Maiden's Version you need.

[Jukk]

Can't click the [expletive haxx0red by Raijinn] vault in SoS without it. No update - no progress.Good luck finding atleast 6 people (at lvl70) needing to get the language starter.... impossible unless you're in a guild.<div></div>

[SageGaspar]

<div><blockquote><hr>Jukken wrote:Can't click the [expletive haxx0red by Raijinn] vault in SoS without it. No update - no progress.Good luck finding atleast 6 people (at lvl70) needing to get the language starter.... impossible unless you're in a guild.<div></div><hr></blockquote>We four-manned it the other day with our healer at 56 and me tanking as a 70 swash. Could've easily duoed it, I think. Hell, I can almost solo it at 70 -- probably could if I took enough time to adjust my equipment.There's plenty of 60-70 people that haven't done it. Just ask in the 50-60 and 60-70 channels.</div>

[Aandien]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Jukken wrote:<BR>Can't click the [expletive haxx0red by Raijinn] vault in SoS without it. No update - no progress.<BR><BR>Good luck finding atleast 6 people (at lvl70) needing to get the language starter.... impossible unless you're in a guild.<BR> <BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE><BR>Since it seems you probably only need 2-3 people (if that) -- it shouldn't be hard.  You have made at least 1 friend in the game right?

[Maroger]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> AncientElster wrote:<BR> <BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Jukken wrote:<BR>Can't click the [expletive haxx0red by Raijinn] vault in SoS without it. No update - no progress.<BR><BR>Good luck finding atleast 6 people (at lvl70) needing to get the language starter.... impossible unless you're in a guild.<BR> <BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE><BR>Since it seems you probably only need 2-3 people (if that) -- it shouldn't be hard.  You have made at least 1 friend in the game right?<BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE> <P>It is not fair to solo through a quest and then the last stop you have to find people to help you with it. Multiple step quests should be indicated if they are going to <FONT color=#66ff00>MANDATE </FONT>more than 1 person in a step.</P> <P>If you want to enter an instance to solo for a quest step the game should not bar you -- if you die well that is your problem but the game should not bar you from instance needed to finish a quest or it should not allow you to get the quest to begin with.<BR></P>

[ChaosUndivided]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Maroger wrote:<BR> <BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> AncientElster wrote:<BR> <BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Jukken wrote:<BR>Can't click the [expletive haxx0red by Raijinn] vault in SoS without it. No update - no progress.<BR><BR>Good luck finding atleast 6 people (at lvl70) needing to get the language starter.... impossible unless you're in a guild.<BR> <BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE><BR>Since it seems you probably only need 2-3 people (if that) -- it shouldn't be hard.  You have made at least 1 friend in the game right?<BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE> <P>It is not fair to solo through a quest and then the last stop you have to find people to help you with it. Multiple step quests should be indicated if they are going to <FONT color=#66ff00>MANDATE </FONT>more than 1 person in a step.</P> <P>If you want to enter an instance to solo for a quest step the game should not bar you -- if you die well that is your problem but the game should not bar you from instance needed to finish a quest or it should not allow you to get the quest to begin with.<BR></P><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE><BR>This quest line Starts solo then proggesses into Group and finally raid content. Obviously your in the group portion. Suck it up<p>Message Edited by ChaosUndivided on <span class=date_text>04-14-2006</span> <span class=time_text>01:08 PM</span>

[Aandien]

<DIV>I'm pretty sure you can zone into Maidens Gulch solo.  Depending on your class, you may even be able to solo the encounter at 70.</DIV>

[Star]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Jukken wrote:<BR>Can't click the [expletive haxx0red by Raijinn] vault in SoS without it. No update - no progress.<BR><BR>Good luck finding atleast 6 people (at lvl70) needing to get the language starter.... impossible unless you're in a guild.<BR> <BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE> <P><BR>You sound like the kind of person that just throws their hands up and cries "Impossible, make the game easy just for me." I got an idea for you, you go out and make an MMO where you log in, talk to the NPC and he says "Good job, <insert name here>. Here's your reward for talking to me." Or, even better you log on, ding max lvl and get all your uber gear just put into your inventory...</P> <P>*rolls eyes*</P>

[HellRaiserXX]

<DIV>Oh come on, getting Draconic is not hard and is part of the storyline for the entire KoS zone being that all the end mobs are DRAGONS and dragons are above speaking in common. I duoed it with a level 70 healer and me 70 assassin w/ several lvl 50 alts, could prolly have soloed it, took all of probably 1 min to kill.  MG has a 1 day lockout if you kill the drake, if not you can zone in as many times as you want. Quit complaining and use the time [expletive haxx0red by Raijinn]ing on these forums to just go do it. </DIV>

[Coniaric]

<P>A Broken Key is by the door, click it, and it's an access quest to get into right instance for Maiden's Gulch part that need you to rescue the sage. It's just few kills and a visit to the forge inside Sol Ro Temple. Done. Then you can zone in with one or two others and finish the instance.</P> <P>And, yes, draconic language is required for Claymore, as are aviak and magic languages.</P>

[SageGaspar]

<div><blockquote><hr>Coniaric wrote:<div></div> <p>A Broken Key is by the door, click it, and it's an access quest to get into right instance for Maiden's Gulch part that need you to rescue the sage. It's just few kills and a visit to the forge inside Sol Ro Temple. Done. Then you can zone in with one or two others and finish the instance.</p> <p>And, yes, draconic language is required for Claymore, as are aviak and magic languages.</p><hr></blockquote>The key is *not* access quest for maiden's gulch rescue of the sage. Talking to the sage's assistant who pops in the canyon outside sol ro is the *only* thing you need to do for access.</div>

[thorvang]

you have to be a 60+ crafter for wurmslayer. guess i'll never finish this quest cause crafting sucks imo. so what? if you don't want to spent the time and effort nescessary just don't do the quest.

[selch]

<DIV>That was one idiotic step imo, screwing non-guilded players. Yet again, people need to shout for it against devs who thinks 99% of game is raiding.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV>

[ChaosUndivided]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> selch wrote:<BR> <DIV>That was one idiotic step imo, screwing non-guilded players. Yet again, people need to shout for it against devs who thinks 99% of game is raiding.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE><BR>You can one group the mob at level 60, how does that make the game about raiding?

[selch]

<DIV><BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> ChaosUndivided wrote:<BR> <BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> selch wrote:<BR> <DIV>That was one idiotic step imo, screwing non-guilded players. Yet again, people need to shout for it against devs who thinks 99% of game is raiding.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE><BR>You can one group the mob at level 60, how does that make the game about raiding?<BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE><BR>Problem is not "language" here and that mob was there at same level while you could cap at Level 50. So that's not really valid argument. Let's take a look at KoS zones, quest endings and tell me you don't need raid for most of them to finish a decent quest.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV>

[Solaran_X]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> jwmaynar wrote:<BR> <BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Jukken wrote:<BR>Can't click the [expletive haxx0red by Raijinn] vault in SoS without it. No update - no progress.<BR><BR>Good luck finding atleast 6 people (at lvl70) needing to get the language starter.... impossible unless you're in a guild.<BR> <BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE> <P><BR>You sound like the kind of person that just throws their hands up and cries "Impossible, make the game easy just for me." I got an idea for you, you go out and make an MMO where you log in, talk to the NPC and he says "Good job, <insert name here>. Here's your reward for talking to me." Or, even better you log on, ding max lvl and get all your uber gear just put into your inventory...</P> <P>*rolls eyes*</P><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE><BR>Isn't that WoW?

[Solaran_X]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Jukken wrote:<BR>Can't click the [expletive haxx0red by Raijinn] vault in SoS without it. No update - no progress.<BR><BR>Good luck finding atleast 6 people (at lvl70) needing to get the language starter.... impossible unless you're in a guild.<BR> <BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE> <P><BR>Maiden's Gulch is a T5 (x2) raid, and was single groupable at L60. You and another L70 could easily duo it in a few minutes. Then spend about a half hour to an hour running around to get Runes (and at L70, everywhere the Runes are will be grey) and talk to the Sage of the Ages and BOOM! You know Draconic!</P> <P>At L70, learning Draconic is easily that learning a drop item language like Orc or Goblin or Undead. And arguably easier than learning Druzaic.</P>

[Star]

You forget that they *gasp* might have to spend some time killing grey mobs in OOLS for access to the doorways. What it really boils down to is that right now it's a time sink only but just because there's a zone that's labled 'a raid' people will hold it up as an example of why SOE caters only to raiders. This exact thing was mentioned during beta and cheers to SOE for sticking to their guns and not changing things. Here's to hoping they stick with it.

[Aandien]

<P>Even before any expansion ever existed, that MG zone was one-groupable anyway.  I never classified it as a raid, or any x2 content back then as a raid, because honestly, unless it was x3, it wasn't even remotely difficult for a single group.  Even after the combat revamp most x2's could be easily killed with a single group.</P> <P>The zone wasn't a raid zone then, and it certaintly isn't one now.  Just go solo the thing.  You can zone in just fine solo.</P>

[Obadiah]

<P>Can I interrupt for a moment to ask a silly question?</P> <P>At what stage of the Claymore line will I need to know draconic? I can't find that info. Obviously my search skillz are lacking. :smileyvery-happy:</P> <P>My characters all have learned Druzaic, but one hasn't yet finished (or started) draconic. Only up through Key to Trust so far . . . just curious how soon I'll be hosed.</P>

[Leawyn]

<P>You can zone into MG alone. I've done it a few times. I tried to solo it, but my power just couldn't last. Got it down to about 30% though. Ended up duoing it with a necro, and it went down in about... 15 seconds.</P> <P>Before you whine and cry and insist that you need a guild to get dragon language, why don't you actually TRY? I was unguilded at the time I got this, and was able to collect all the runes with no problem, only needing to call on the same friend who helped me duo to help me get my OOLS runes.</P> <P>Is it a time sink? I guess so, i mean its an extra hour you have to take to do it, but its really nothin to come crying to a message board over. You probably wasted more time reading and replying to this thread than you would have actually doing it.</P>

[Lendis]

<DIV>Seems to be 2 diff arguments here.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>1. bylze only speaks draconic. so you need draconic for Coin Op: sanctum scaleborn</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>2. i dont think hes aruging so much about the mg raid zone. as he is about the end of the claymore line raid zones. you know the one you need vyemm/harla/gore/tal/ and then tarinax/fitz to finish the line =p</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>This is nothing new really, Peacock line was all solo/group quests. right up untill that last one. Claymore is really no dfifferent, at the level you get it you can solo/1group it all the way to to quest 25, wich you need 2, then its back to single group till 28, then you need  a x4 raid to finish.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Unlike the peacock series, the rewards along the way make this worth doing even *IF* *YOU* cannot complete the last few steps of the quest *yet*.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Do what you can, complaining here rarely gets anything done.</DIV>

[Leawyn]

Lendis... you smell like gnome <span>:smileyvery-happy:</span> You are right about where the Claymore line cannot be finished without a raid, but that is not what the OP said: <blockquote><hr> So, you do the claymore quest-line, pretty fun I think. But then...you must have <b>draconic language quest</b> or you cannot progress. HOW FUN. <font color="#ff0000">This is ofcourse a RAID quest...(T5).</font><font color="#ff0000"> </font><font color="#ff0000">You can't even </font><font color="#ff0000"><b>zone into</b></font><font color="#ff0000"> the instance without being in a big guild...and start the quest</font>. <i>What a perfect layout of that quest.</i> Guess it's *delete* on the claymore questline then...just great.<hr></blockquote>Highlighted for your ease of reading. OP clearly states that you cannot do the <b>draconic language quest</b> without "being in a big guild..." when in fact this zone can be zoned into solo, and the dragon possibly solo'd (i wasn't able to) but definately duo-able by 2 level 70's, or one-grouped by 60's. So there is no need for a "big guild" to get the dragon language done. <div></div>

[MystaSkrat]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Jukken wrote:<BR>Good luck finding atleast 6 people (at lvl70) needing to get the language starter.... impossible unless you're in a guild.<BR> <BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE><BR>I don't think you get what we're saying... The last couple Claymore quests require raiding of some sort.  You will not finish this quest line without a decent raid capable of killing a 75x4 mob.  And Deathtoll access.  Pretty impossible if you're not in a guild as well.

[Skylher]

<DIV>actually you need to do the words of pure magic language quest to start the scaleborn part of claymore</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>then you need draconic language to begin the riddle of vault section of the scaleborn part</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>so you need two languages</DIV>

[Pins]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Skylher wrote:<BR> <DIV>actually you need to do the words of pure magic language quest to start the scaleborn part of claymore</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>then you need draconic language to begin the riddle of vault section of the scaleborn part</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>so you need two languages</DIV><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE><BR>Both of which are grey for 61+

[Obadiah]

<P>They may both be gray, but at 65 I still got about 3% XP for completing To Speak As a Dragon. And the Druzaic one can be done while you're running out to get all the draconic runes. Plus anywhere you might not have hit for (re)discovery XP after the expansion, you will hit. </P> <P>Besides, given that the expansion is all about dragons, and stuff, you'd think you would want to know that anyway. </P> <P> </P>