Harla Dar issue

[Mordacion]

<div>Is it intended for guilds to be able to get down to Harla Dar via Call of the Hero without killing Pantrilla first so they can prevent other guilds from ever getting the Harla Dar kill and thus gaining access to Deathtoll?</div>

[Victicu]

If they can kill Harla Dar... Pantrilla isnt exactly going to stop them.You could also prolly clear down, and kill Pantrilla faster than coth'ing a full raid of 24.

[AngelVyxen]

<div></div>I think he means if Pantrilla isn't up, and Harla is..people can CoH and kill Harla w/o popping the idol.  And yeah I'd say it is intended. They are quite capable of negating the usability of some spells (such as evac) when they want to, they could have disabled COH if they wanted to as well.

[afleaddog]

<div></div>I believe Harla Dar and Pantrilla spawn at the same time.... why would Harla spaw... and no way to get there...

[AngelVyxen]

<div></div><div></div><p>I believe they don't. There have been numerous posts about how Pantrilla despawns on server reset.. don't believe Harla does.</p><p> </p><p>Edited to include - Plus, what if some guild whose incapable of killing Harla kills Pantrilla.  The idol does despawn after awhile. Thus, Harla would be up with no way to get to her.  This is where CoH (or some more skeevy methods of getting through the barrier), come into play.</p><p>Message Edited by AngelVyxen on <span class="date_text">04-07-2006</span><span class="time_text">08:37 PM</span></p>

[Mordacion]

<div>To clarify, Pantrilla was not and has not been up and the item to port to harla dar is not and was not up, but they went right on down and killed harla dar. In fact the guild never even turned down the path toward pantrillas room before gonig down to harla dar for the kill. Just got around the walls and killed her.</div>

[AngelVyxen]

<div>Yeah so they either used COH (not an exploit), or "lagged" through the barrier (an exploit).</div>

[Pins]

<div>You dont have to lag through the barrier.  There are many spells that teleport people.  Duel, and do it.</div>

[AngelVyxen]

<div>You're right, you don't have to. But some guilds do, is all I'm sayin. The legitimate teleport spells, especially COH, are the less sploit-ish ways.</div>

[seistaan1]

<div></div><p>I think our question here is ..</p><p>Is it intended to kill harla dar without killing pantrila to spawn the portal?</p><p>If so no comlpaints and we will go about this a different route.</p><p> </p><p>would be nice to see an official responce from zliten <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /></p>

[MorgothTheTerrib]

Harla can be up without Pantrilla if (as someone mentioned) you kill Pantrilla and the idol despawns. If someone wants to CoTH over 23 people (with an 8 minute recast) I say let 'em do it. If they want to spend 3 hours getting everyone there, they deserve it.<div></div>

[seistaan1]

<div></div><p>IF you leave a few conjuror's camped in the harla dar room alts other accounts and such,</p><p>Or if you use tartons wheel or other means of teleportation through a wall,</p><p>Then getting a raid force in there is more of an hour long process.</p><p>Also if pantrila has not popped yet you are still getting there faster than others even with taking the time to coh.</p><p>Harla can be up without pantrila and can spawn well after he has.</p><p>Were simply asking if it is the intended way to gain entrance to the room.</p><p> </p><p>Or if there is another legit way to gain entrance to this room that we have overlooked <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /></p>

[canislupus64]

<div><blockquote><hr>MorgothTheTerrible wrote:Harla can be up without Pantrilla if (as someone mentioned) you kill Pantrilla and the idol despawns. If someone wants to CoTH over 23 people (with an 8 minute recast) I say let 'em do it. If they want to spend 3 hours getting everyone there, they deserve it.<div></div><hr></blockquote>3 hours? do you actually think they would do it with just 1 conjourer? lol I can roll out 6 52 conj's and place them at certain spots and have my personal calling crew. Its not hard, probably take 3 weeks to make a 52 conj.</div>

[vinterskugge]

<div>Add a troub and you can cut all their recasts by a few minutes.</div>

[Pegesus]

If you kill Pantrilla and get Harla to spawn but don't kill Her, pantrilla will spawn every 2 days.  HOwever if you kill Pantrilla and then kill Harla its a 6 day or 7 day respawn on both. Anyway you slice it if you CoH a raid down to her, Tarton Wheel through a wall, Teleport through the barrier your really not doing something that is on the up and up.  Call it whatever you want it definetly is not how the kill was intended.<div></div>

[Sute]

<div></div><p>I dont see a prob with camping a conj. down near her, calling in another conj, have that one call in another one so now you have 3 conj. doing the deed. Cuts the time down alot.</p>

[Gaige]

<div></div><blockquote><hr>Victicus7 wrote:If they can kill Harla Dar... Pantrilla isnt exactly going to stop them.You could also prolly clear down, and kill Pantrilla faster than coth'ing a full raid of 24.<hr></blockquote><p>You are missing the point.</p><p>If you get to Harla and kill her and camp say 5 CoHers you can kill her again before Pantrilla spawns... effectively making sure no one else kills Harla... ever.</p>

[intensive]

<div>OMG, say it is not true - One of the biggest bunch of complainers about the Relic farming actually doing something that may be considered by others as an exploit?</div><div> </div><div> </div><div>Wow what a bunch of two faced whiners!!</div>

[Balbaro]

<div></div><div>Gaige quote:</div><div><hr></div><div><p>You are missing the point.</p><p>If you get to Harla and kill her and camp say 5 CoHers you can kill her again before Pantrilla spawns... effectively making sure no one else kills Harla... ever.</p><p></p><hr></div><p>Gaige have a point... We are missing Harla Dar for deathtoll and keep getting blocked by another guild since we try to do it as it was intented aka idol ... i guess we will use others alternatives as well now...</p><p>Which bring me to the point of : why block others guilds in your server for Harla Dar , more guilds in deathtoll means guilds busy doing something else <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /></p><p> Online games really show the true nature of most people  <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /></p>

[intensive]

<div></div>Well part of the problem here is the SOE has designed this access quest for Deathtoll to cause problems in the game within guilds, these contestible spawns being required for an access quest is just going to always cause the real jerks to be jerks - because they can. The people that get enjoyment from the game by causing others to not be able to enjoy the game, will evetually get it back on them, it is called Carma! Your time is coming.

[Ratty31]

<div></div>You realize Harla Dar is also part of a HQ and drops loot right? Maybe people kill it for one or both of those reasons aswell as for the access quest.

[Gaellen]

As they should, nothing wrong with that.I think the point of the post to ask if it was intended that a group be able to bypass the other dragon (and apparent "intended method&quot<img src="/smilies/8a80c6485cd926be453217d59a84a888.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /> entirely using the wheel, COH, lag-through-wall, pull her through the wall, or anything else along those lines. Where is the line between being smart and exploiting?<div></div>

[Ratty31]

<div></div>Coh is a spell, lagging through walls is an exploit.

[Gimmiso]

<div></div>CoH is a great Spell! makes me wish I was a conj, no wait, I wish I had a conj sidekick so I never had to run anywhere. yeah thats it.WTB Lvl 60+ conj to be my friend.  paying well, PST if interested. <span>:smileywink:</span><div></div><p>Message Edited by Gimmisome on <span class="date_text">04-10-2006</span><span class="time_text">02:25 PM</span></p>

[haner74]

<div>All they want is one simple question answered.  With one of two possible answers from the devs.</div><div> </div><div><strong>How are you suppose to get to Harla Dar?</strong> </div><div> </div><div>If you are suppose to kill the first named to activate portal, then CoH, Wheel, transporting through wall are all exploits.  You might as well lag walk through the wall because there is no difference.  The end result of all those activities, no matter what is said or how it is said, is that you did not complete the steps as inteneded.</div><div> </div><div>If you do <u>not</u> have to kill the first named, then CoH, Wheel, transporting through walls are not exploits.  But lagging through walls, to gain entrance or to pull through it, still is an exploit.</div><div> </div><div>Simple question.  One of two simple answers. </div>

[Ratty31]

<div></div><blockquote><hr>haner74 wrote:<div>All they want is one simple question answered.  With one of two possible answers from the devs.</div><div> </div><div><strong>How are you suppose to get to Harla Dar?</strong> </div><div> </div><div>If you are suppose to kill the first named to activate portal, then CoH, Wheel, transporting through wall are all exploits.  You might as well lag walk through the wall because there is no difference.  The end result of all those activities, no matter what is said or how it is said, is that you did not complete the steps as inteneded.</div><div> </div><div>If you do <u>not</u> have to kill the first named, then CoH, Wheel, transporting through walls are not exploits.  But lagging through walls, to gain entrance or to pull through it, still is an exploit.</div><div> </div><div>Simple question.  One of two simple answers. </div><hr></blockquote>So if someone else kills the named should you be allowed to use the portal to Harla Dar?

[haner74]

<div></div><p>IMO, yes. </p><p>I would rather see it happen that the portal remain open until Harla Dar is dead or the server is reset if he cannot be killed.</p><p>Maybe have a 5-10 minute timer that only allows the raid that killed him to enter the portal and engaged Harla Dar.  That way they can be assured of the first pull of Harla Dar since they killed the first named (you also get the loot from the first named so there is still a benefit from taking him down).  After that, any other guild has a shot at him.  Each guild taking turns trying and wiping until Harla Dar is dead.  At this point there is no need to wheel, CoH, transport or anything else into that room.  Everyone will be forced to go through the portal.</p><p>The lag would be horrible in the room but that is how SOE set it up to play out.</p><p>Once again, this is just <strong>my</strong> opinion in response to Koenig.</p>

[Snarks]

<span><blockquote><hr>haner74 wrote:<div></div><p>Maybe have a 5-10 minute timer that only allows the raid that killed him to enter the portal and engaged Harla Dar.</p><hr></blockquote>If you have no idea about how the encounter even works, why are you posting here</span><div></div>

[Miroh]

<div></div><blockquote><hr>haner74 wrote:<div>All they want is one simple question answered.  With one of two possible answers from the devs.</div><div> </div><div><strong>How are you suppose to get to Harla Dar?</strong> </div><div> </div><div>If you are suppose to kill the first named to activate portal, then <font color="#ff9900">CoH,</font> Wheel, transporting through wall are all exploits.  You might as well lag walk through the wall because there is no difference.  The end result of all those activities, no matter what is said or how it is said, is that you did not complete the steps as inteneded.<hr></div></blockquote><font color="#ff0000"><em><strong> Umm no, the others are though, but not CotH</strong></em></font>

[Sute]

<div>I dont see why people think Call of the Hero is an exploit. Look up its spell description, its something like. Teleports a group/raid member to your location in the zone.</div><div> </div><div>Just because its camped behind a wall that others cant get to because they never killed the portal dragon means not much imo. They DID kill the portal dragon, just not that day. They then camped out there and use that char. to teleport others into the raid area when harla spawns.</div><div> </div><div>A little tricky, but by no means an exploit imo. THe other ways mentioned in this thread, sure they are exploits. But using a spell as it was inteded is not an exploit. Gosh <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /></div>

[haner74]

<div></div><div>I have been to the room where the first name spawns and hopefully (cross my fingers) we will have the ability to fight him and harla dar in the up coming days to get deathtoll access.  You are correct, I haven't been lucky enough to fully see the encounter.  So if I am off, my apologizes, but just trying to offer an idea.  Getting back to the question that is being asked in the thread. </div><div> </div><div>How are you suppose to get to Harla Dar?</div><div> </div><div>Maybe CotH is not suppose to work in this instance?  I don't know, thats why we are asking.</div><p>Message Edited by haner74 on <span class="date_text">04-10-2006</span><span class="time_text">04:53 PM</span></p>

[Mordacion]

<div></div><div>wish a dev would pop by and give a yes/no answer on the initial question. Not really interested in any fighting or finger pointing and name calling. I just want to know if the devs intend for anyone who can access a bunch of 52+ conjurors to be able to lock an entire server out from a huge part of the t7 endgame content.</div><p>Message Edited by Mordacion on <span class="date_text">04-10-2006</span><span class="time_text">05:37 PM</span></p>

[Pins]

<div>GMs can, and will spawn the idol for you.</div>

[Atrocity]

Since coth works in the zone using it is absolutely fair game.  In eq 1 there were several zones which would not allow the spell to work and you'd  get a message like "there are no heros here" or something.  True this is not eq 1, but I'd be very surprised if the dev team had not considered this point and decided to leave it be.<div></div>

[Miroh]

<div></div><blockquote><hr>Atrocity wrote:Since coth works in the zone using it is absolutely fair game.  In eq 1 there were several zones which would not allow the spell to work and you'd  get a message like "there are no heros here" or something.  True this is not eq 1, but I'd be very surprised if the dev team had not considered this point and decided to leave it be.<div></div><hr></blockquote><p> <font color="#ff0000"><em><strong>Aye, I wanted to say that earlier but decided not to.  You know out of all of them they deff had to put being able to CoTH people passed that wall  into consideration when doing this.  Seeings it's been around since DoF there couldn't be any reason as to why it wouldn't have been considered. </strong></em></font></p><p><font color="#ff0000"><em><strong> Also, I think it's not really a block to keep other guilds from getting access, it's still considered a contested which so far I know her loots have not gone unclaimed, I can't speak on all servers but pretty sure everyone still takes her loot without a problem.  </strong></em></font></p>

[Schmoogles]

<div>Well I see everyone agrees using coh is not an exploit here.  </div><div> </div><div> </div><div>I wouldn't go as far as saying that a certain guild is trying to block someone from entering deathtoll or finishing heritage quests they have maybe killed her a few times (in this case 5) and for a lot of reasons but here are two really good reasons.  1.  Lets just say the guild has a bunch of slackers or is a pretty big guild and people still to this day still need the quest updates and I'm one of them.    2. Some guilds might get shafted on the loot when you go there so you still have yet to see some of the best items she drops.   </div><div> </div><div>Someone said this before recruit a couple of conjs or make a alt, problem solved now you are playing on the same field as them.   </div><div> </div><div>But in your defense since this is your guilds post I would like to really here from a dev on this question also.  Its a valid question and should get a valid answer. </div>

[Sute]

<div></div>Theres no way this is an exploit, if anythign its something they overlooked and might change sometime in the future. No one is going to get in trouble over such things, ever.

[Pyronick]

Well i do not agree it isnt an exploitQuite simply CoH should not work in this zone, or especially not in Harla Dars chamberThe whole thing is Pantrilla has to be up, then you can use the orb to port else you cannot get to HarlaHeres why it shouldnt work-There is 1 guild on my server who currently have 2 conjuror alts in chamber - Pantrilla is always killed on spawn so no other guild can get another alt or conjuror into the room - no orb = no more alts in chamberEverytime Harla spawns they can kill at will no other guild can even get to the roomThe other guild on my server uses the pull through the wall BSBoth guilds have killed Harla many times - they are blatant about it they are doing 100% everything to stop any other raid guild on the server getting DT updates nothing elseMy guild will not exploit ever in anyway neither would we block any other guilds trying Harla - this is why CoH shouldnt work all it does it create great angst and anger amonst players, the Harla update is terrible imo - so many guilds will never see DT because of the actions of these guilds which quite frankly is a disgrace<div></div>

[Bravesinger]

<div></div><div>The CoH-bug happend last night on my server. Harla Dar was up and 3 guilds rushed down only to find, that Pantriala wasn't up. So what happend? One of the guilds decided to cheat and CoH their guild to Harla Dar using a conjurer alt. Someone petitioned them, and check this link <a href="http://www.rebirth-eq2.guildportal.com/Guild.aspx?GuildID=72597&TabID=627723" target="_blank">http://www.rebirth-eq2.guildportal.com/Guild.aspx?GuildID=72597&TabID=627723</a> to see what the GM had to say. IT SUCKS!!! One guild having a conjureralt in the zone can stop everyone from progressing several quests? I hope the GM, that replied to them was a true [expletive haxx0red by Raijinn], that didn't know what to do.</div>

[orthanc]

brave, i wouldnt really whine about it if i were you trying to pull harla through the door first, lol<div></div>

[Gaellen]

Well, if it's okay to "work around" the other dragon using COH, I imagine the wheel and the warlock/duel way are also just fine.  They're using items and skills that are intentionally in the game, after all.  Cool beans. <div></div>

[Mordacion]

<DIV>Well here's the answer direct from a GM that was just emailed to me in responce to a CS ticket I made about bypassing those walls via CotH and/or Tarton's Wheel, dueling, etc the night I saw this all go down: (removed my rl name in favor of ingame and the dev's rl name)</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV> <P><FONT face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN>Greetings Kokusho!</SPAN></FONT></P> <P><FONT face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN></SPAN></FONT> </P> <P><FONT face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN>I wanted to take a moment to thank you for filling me in on this. I have spoken with development regarding this and they will be issuing a fix for this very soon. I applaud players like you that point out the flaws rather than let them slip by. Thank you once again! I wish you the best of luck, in this world and in ours.</SPAN></FONT></P> <P><FONT face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN></SPAN></FONT> </P> <DIV> <P><FONT face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN><the gm's rl name was here></SPAN></FONT></P> <P><FONT face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN>GM Kaasha the Toxic</SPAN></FONT></P></DIV></DIV>

[Schmoogles]

So what are they gonna fix?  From the GMs response on a petition, said using CoH was ok since its a class ability.   They really can't fix people "lagging" thru the wall.  I'm wondering what they are going to fix for this then.

[Mordacion]

<P>My guess would be to disable CotH for the zone and possibly also disable the use of Tarton's Wheel or anything else that can teleport players.</P> <P>Edit: and this GM said the devs were plannnig to make a fix, so they may very well not share the opinion of the GM who said using CotH was ok. Either way, sure we'll see soonish.</P><p>Message Edited by Mordacion on <span class=date_text>04-11-2006</span> <span class=time_text>08:27 AM</span>

[ChaosUndivided]

CoTH is not an exploit.

[Ratty31]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> ChaosUndivided wrote:<BR> CoTH is not an exploit.<BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE><BR>If you don't have deathtoll access it is....

[Gimmiso]

I would have to agree and say that using CoH to get to Harla Dar is not an exploit, especially if the way you got a conj there is by beating Pantrilla to begin with.If anything here, I would blame SOE for the Harla Dar situation1.) Why would you make a contested raid mob required for a quest? Sucks for the people that don't always get the contesteds... and it dropping good loot is gonna make other guilds go after it just for that. 2.) People here seem to forget that even if nobody had a conj in Harla's Room you would have to Kill Pantrilla to get there... IMO Pant is easy, but maybe not everyone can kill it.... and if they all could kill it, what makes them think they can kill Harla Dar?3.) Why would SOE make it so htat Harla Dar spawns independently of Pantrilla if Harla is not supposed to be killed without getting Pant first.Clearly, either the Devs didn't even think when they made ToS or they knew that people would find other ways to get to a contested and wanted to see it happen.<div></div>

[ChaosUndivided]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Ratty31 wrote:<BR> <BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> ChaosUndivided wrote:<BR> CoTH is not an exploit.<BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE><BR>If you don't have deathtoll access it is....<BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE><BR>We're not talking about Deathtoll now are we?

[Ratty31]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> ChaosUndivided wrote:<BR> <BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Ratty31 wrote:<BR> <BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> ChaosUndivided wrote:<BR> CoTH is not an exploit.<BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE><BR>If you don't have deathtoll access it is....<BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE><BR>We're not talking about Deathtoll now are we?<BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE><BR>Harla Dar is part of Deathtoll access so I assume we are.

[ChaosUndivided]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Ratty31 wrote:<BR> <BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> ChaosUndivided wrote:<BR> <BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Ratty31 wrote:<BR> <BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> ChaosUndivided wrote:<BR> CoTH is not an exploit.<BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE><BR>If you don't have deathtoll access it is....<BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE><BR>We're not talking about Deathtoll now are we?<BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE><BR>Harla Dar is part of Deathtoll access so I assume we are.<BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE> <P>So let me get this straight, according to your post, it is an exploit to Coth people to harla dar's room if they don't have Deathtoll access, but it isn't an exploit if they already have it? Did I get all that?<BR></P>

[Ratty31]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> ChaosUndivided wrote:<BR><BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Ratty31 wrote:<BR> <BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> ChaosUndivided wrote:<BR> <BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Ratty31 wrote:<BR> <BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> ChaosUndivided wrote:<BR> CoTH is not an exploit.<BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE><BR>If you don't have deathtoll access it is....<BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE><BR>We're not talking about Deathtoll now are we?<BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE><BR>Harla Dar is part of Deathtoll access so I assume we are.<BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE> <P>So let me get this straight, according to your post, it is an exploit to Coth people to harla dar's room if they don't have Deathtoll access, but it isn't an exploit if they already have it? Did I get all that?<BR></P><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE><BR>the "....." at the end of statements is an indicator of sarcasm.

[ChaosUndivided]

Your not very good at it, maybe you should take some lessons then.

[Ratty31]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> ChaosUndivided wrote:<BR> Your not very good at it, maybe you should take some lessons then.<BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE> <P><BR>The jerk store called, they're all out of you.</P> <P>-george costanza-</P>

[Pouncer74]

Coh has one function....to call other members of a group or a raid to where the conjurer is.  To call using it to do what it does an exploit......is ignorant

[Gaige]

<P>Its pretty straightforward that the intended way to get to Harla is to kill Pantrilla and spawn the idol.  Since camping CoH'ers allows you to get around intended game mechanics, I can't possibly see it as being a feasible "strat".</P> <P>I'm sure we'll see the Harla encounter change in a few ways, I seriously doubt SOE wants such a huge block in DT access and other things.  Harla is primarily a quest mob.  Besides, what good is DT if only one guild per server is getting there.</P> <P>I assume the people responsible for this quest actually want people doing it and completing it.</P>

[ChaosUndivided]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Ratty31 wrote:<BR> <BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> ChaosUndivided wrote:<BR> Your not very good at it, maybe you should take some lessons then.<BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE> <P><BR>The jerk store called, they're all out of you.</P> <P>-george costanza-</P><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE><BR>wow, quoting seinfield, you posses such wit and intelligence, I wish I was like you.

[Ratty31]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> ChaosUndivided wrote:<BR> <BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Ratty31 wrote:<BR> <BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> ChaosUndivided wrote:<BR> Your not very good at it, maybe you should take some lessons then.<BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE> <P><BR>The jerk store called, they're all out of you.</P> <P>-george costanza-</P><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE><BR>wow, quoting seinfield, you posses such wit and intelligence, I wish I was like you.<BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE><BR>Maybe you should take wit and intelligence lessons. ZING

[haner74]

<P>I am in agreement with what Gaige has stated.  CotH is a great spell and everyone love's it but its place for by passing the first name is questioned by many.  IMHO I don't believe the dev's thought through this encounter set up enough.  </P> <P>And please keep this thread on topic and not have it locked down.</P>

[fierySpir]

<DIV>Very nicely put Gaige !!!</DIV>

[Zoki]

Call of the Hero has been around forever, its not like all of a sudden SoE came up with a new spell, be real, they dont have the intelligence for that.  It was used in EQ1 to bypass trash mobs and content, and I am sure it will continue to be used in the same way.  Besides, you have to at least get to the correct spot to place a CoH'er.  Most peeps that I know enjoy playing their class, and probably wouldnt be too thrilled about leaving their toon camped at a spot forever.  Then again, when you have multiple alt's maybe its not that big of a deal.<div></div>

[Pyronick]

You say that you have to be good enough to kill Pantrilla 1st well thats no true the guild on Splitpaw who recently used the CoTH exploit imo - followed another raid guild through the orb on last Pantrilla pop They have NEVER killed Pantrilla - How u can say this is not an exploit is unreal, you now have 1 guild with the ability to permanently lock down a contested raid mob which is also an access update mob for as long as they wish too You must play in a different world <div></div>

[Fahrenheig]

<div><blockquote><hr>Pyronick wrote:You say that you have to be good enough to kill Pantrilla 1st well thats no true the guild on Splitpaw who recently used the CoTH exploit imo - followed another raid guild through the orb on last Pantrilla pop They have NEVER killed Pantrilla - How u can say this is not an exploit is unreal, you now have 1 guild with the ability to permanently lock down a contested raid mob which is also an access update mob for as long as they wish too You must play in a different world <div></div><hr></blockquote>well first of all you DO have to be good enough to kill pantrilla simply because Harla Dar is a much more challenging encounter, even if you follow another guild through the portal, if you werent able to kill pantrilla you wouldnt be able to kill Harla Dar.  And imo..and obv pretty much the opinion of the rest of this thread you must be all alone in your different world because even if this wasn't intended, it is far from an exploit, lagging through a wall is an exploit...using a spell as it was written..even if the zone wasnt written properly to prevent this is not.</div>

[Snarks]

I think most of you are missing the mark entirely. Even if they removed zonewide CotH and synched pantrilla/harla dar spawns better, our guild moves faster, has a lot more t7 experience (especially on said mob), and is online in force before you log in and after you log out. I don't think this is what you want at all, really. I think what you are asking for is 1) for them to remove harla dar from the access quest entirely or 2) allow a non-contested way to get to the dragons/idols because, quite frankly, unless either of those things happen, I don't see you getting in to deathtoll anytime soon as long as we need quest updates. <div></div>

[Gertack_v2]

<div><blockquote><hr>snarkteeth wrote: because, quite frankly, unless either of those things happen, I don't see you getting in to deathtoll anytime soon as long as we need quest updates. <div></div><hr></blockquote>Maybe they'll keep the trend of <a href="http://eqiiforums.station.sony.com/eq2/board/message?board.id=gameplay&message.id=56648" target=_blank>making people random for it</a>... heh.</div>

[Theivan01]

<div></div>Personally, I'm pretty torn about this whole subject.on 1 hand- Harla dar is Contested, CoTH is NOT an exploit.  EC is beating us and others there, they still need quest updates im sure, and the loot....allegedly. Kudo's to them, they are on top of things.  Right now EC has killed harla dar 5 times, while technically enough to flag over 100 members, I'm sure the actual number is probably closer to 40 (guesstimating)  due to doubles being at every raid, etc.  I'm sure many of their members still need quest updates for Wurmslayer/DT access.on the other hand-  The situation sucks. We have been farming ascent and lab just like other guilds, and need harla dar. It LOOKS like EC is purposely blocking the rest of the server,  But they arent.  The Encounter was set up this way without putting much thought into it.  If SoE would make Harla and Pentrilla pop on the same time table I would be happy.  Sure EC would still beat people there most likely, but it would give other guilds the chance.Bottom line, contested mob. SoE will fix it if they don't like how guilds on some/other servers are controlling DT access.  But until then I'm afraid there isnt much we can do about it except try harder =P  Also...as far as I know, EC has yet to intentionally block a guild from any content unless another guild did it to them first, so lets assume they arent going to keep killing harla when they no longer need her, just to keep people out of DT/Claymore/Wurmslayer/other raid zone(s).<div></div>

[Sute]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Ratty31 wrote:<BR> <BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> ChaosUndivided wrote:<BR> CoTH is not an exploit.<BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE><BR>If you don't have deathtoll access it is....<BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE> <P><BR>I dont think its an exploit and i dont have DT access, as well you know.</P>

[Screename1]

On the Kithicor server we have a guild that is killing harla so other guilds cant get access to deatholl...<div></div>

[Miroh]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Screename116 wrote:<BR>On the Kithicor server we have a guild that is killing harla so other guilds cant get access to deatholl...<BR> <BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE> <P><BR> <FONT color=#ff0000><EM><STRONG>Did they just straight out and say it to you that they were killing her for that reason or is that an assumption?  Merely curious, simple yes or no will suffice.</STRONG></EM></FONT></P> <P><STRONG><EM><FONT color=#ff0000> Wondering because like I posted before she still drops nice loot and alot of times not everyone gets the updates for quest one first shot, some people go at their own pace and don't get updates until the 10th kill..../shrug</FONT></EM></STRONG></P><p>Message Edited by Miroh69 on <span class=date_text>04-11-2006</span> <span class=time_text>02:42 PM</span>

[TheSummoned]

<div></div>1 fix to clear the CoHing issue is to reset the coordinates of the person who logged out to the zone in of ToS after X hours. Oh, and Rebirth had the server 1st on Pantrilla. <div></div><p>Message Edited by TheSummoned on <span class=date_text>04-12-2006</span> <span class=time_text>12:02 AM</span>

[Jounar]

<DIV>CoHing players down to Harla is an exploit imho as why else can that chamber not be entered without using the idol otherwise. Wasnt it said at the Fanfare that Harla is being changed to be non aggro until Pantilla and the idol pop to stop this cheating tatic?</DIV>

[Tier]

<P>This will be my only post on this subject but since we're taking a battering, Im going to put forward another side to this story. Firstly, Im one of the two guild leaders of Rebirth guild on Splitpaw and yes, last night we CoH'd our raid to Harla.  <BR><BR>Now let me put a few things straight. Last night was our first Harla kill. We don't farm her and have zero intention of farming her. Splitpaw is extremely contested and we have been beaten consistently to Harla by another guild fielding a raid in the middle of the afternoon. We cleared through the Temple of Scale to update a number of quests a couple of weeks back (the neck thingy quests in preparation for if we got an attempt at Harla). At that point we chose to park an alt in the room of Harla, primarily to monitor her spawning. This alt was a conjuror.</P> <P>Monday saw Harla spawn on Splitpaw and 3 guilds in a race to her. When we cleared down, Pantrilla was not to be seen. At that point, we took the decision to try and CoH our whole guild to Harla. Shortly after we began CoHing, Harla was pulled through a wall by another guild. One of our guild witnessed this and petitioned. This was when the first GM conversations took place. At this point, the GMs *knew* we were CoHing to Harla's room. I believe, they removed this guild from the zone (but I could stand corrected).</P> <P>We were also contacted by a representitive of guild #2 (also the guild which pyronick is a member). They offered to clear all of the ground floor of Harla's room and keep her adds down if we took a few of their members into our raid for the update. Now, we're happy to provide the logs for this and indeed we're currently sorting that. I was going to post those logs on our news update last night, along with all the conversations with the GMs and the screenshots of people attempting to pull Harla through the walls. I chose not to do that since generally we don't involve ourselves in any drama. However since you have chosen to add your own parts to this story as you've gone along, Im happy to post our logs.</P> <P>So, pyro, your guild, of which you are a representative asked us to CoH them to Harla's room. Yet you are here screaming exploit.</P> <P>We declined this offer. It sounded very peculiar and more over, we wanted to kill Harla ourselves (not to mention having 24 people wanting an update).  We took our first attempt at Harla and wiped, at which point several shouts went up in the zone from guild #2 saying "die die die" and so on (again, we have these logged). At that point, guild #2 attempted to pull harla through a wall 3 times. (They later sent us a tell saying it was an accident. Perhaps this is true but three times seems awfully excessive for an accident...) Naturally, they got adds and they died. At this point, guild #2 were petitioned for pulling Harla through a wall... I believe they were removed shortly afterwards (but again, I maybe wrong here).</P> <P>We prepared for our second Harla attempt at which point we received several tells from the guild leader of guild#2 saying there was an invis senior GM in Harla's room ready to remove any loot we got. We were also told we would be banned etc.</P> <P>We killed Harla and I received a response to my second petition. I specifically asked the GM if we did something wrong. That GM confirmed that we had done nothing wrong in using a class ability to move our guild to Harla's room (this is the conversation that can be seen on our news update) I should probably also add that there was a GM in the room with us during our second Harla fight. This person wasn't invisble and left before the mob actually died.</P> <P>Referring back to the accusations here. Pyronick.... we have never killed Harla until last night. We only ever had one attempt on Harla prior to last night and that was very early on in the expansion when we were in the room with Unity. </P> <P>The guild that have dominated Harla has been Fable.  </P> <P>We have killed Pantrilla more than once, please go and look through our news archives if you don't believe this (and honestly, if we couldn't deal with Pantrilla, we would have nooo chance on Harla)</P> <P>We have no intention of blocking anyone from Harla. We don't care who else on Splitpaw has Deathtoll access. It's an instanced zone and all 4 of the raid guilds having Deathtoll does not affect our gameplay.  We needed a Deathtoll update and we took an opportunity to get that. We're being accused of exploting to gain access to Harla's room when your guild rep asked us to CoH you guys in. If you are so high and mighty and believed our actions to be so wrong, why one earth would you wish to take a part in this?</P> <P>The GMs had their say. I believe both guild #1 and #2 were removed from the zone. We killed Harla, the GMs knew how we got access to Harla, they confirmed we didn't exploit and we're happy with that.</P> <P>Regards</P> <P>Tierra (Rebirth)</P> <P>**Edited a type <img src="/smilies/9d71f0541cff0a302a0309c5079e8dee.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />**</P> <P> </P> <P>Message Edited by Tierra on <SPAN class=date_text>04-11-2006</SPAN> <SPAN class=time_text>03:50 PM</SPAN></P><p>Message Edited by Tierra on <span class=date_text>04-11-2006</span> <span class=time_text>03:52 PM</span>

[Bravesinger]

<DIV><BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Tierra wrote:<BR> <P>This will be my only post on this subject but since we're taking a battering, Im going to put forward another side to this story. Firstly, Im one of the two guild leaders of Rebirth guild on Splitpaw and yes, last night we CoH'd our raid to Harla.  <BR><BR>Now let me put a few things straight. Last night was our first Harla kill. We don't farm her and have zero intention of farming her. Splitpaw is extremely contested and we have been beaten consistently to Harla by another guild fielding a raid in the middle of the afternoon. We cleared through the Temple of Scale to update a number of quests a couple of weeks back (the neck thingy quests in preparation for if we got an attempt at Harla). At that point we chose to park an alt in the room of Harla, primarily to monitor her spawning. This alt was a conjuror.</P> <P>Monday saw Harla spawn on Splitpaw and 3 guilds in a race to her. When we cleared down, Pantrilla was not to be seen. At that point, we took the decision to try and CoH our whole guild to Harla. Shortly after we began CoHing, Harla was pulled through a wall by another guild. One of our guild witnessed this and petitioned. This was when the first GM conversations took place. At this point, the GMs *knew* we were CoHing to Harla's room. I believe, they removed this guild from the zone (but I could stand corrected).</P> <P>We were also contacted by a representitive of guild #2 (also the guild which pyronick is a member). They offered to clear all of the ground floor of Harla's room and keep her adds down if we took a few of their members into our raid for the update. Now, we're happy to provide the logs for this and indeed we're currently sorting that. I was going to post those logs on our news update last night, along with all the conversations with the GMs and the screenshots of people attempting to pull Harla through the walls. I chose not to do that since generally we don't involve ourselves in any drama. However since you have chosen to add your own parts to this story as you've gone along, Im happy to post our logs.</P> <P>So, pyro, your guild, of which you are a representative asked us to CoH them to Harla's room. Yet you are here screaming exploit.</P> <P>We declined this offer. It sounded very peculiar and more over, we wanted to kill Harla ourselves (not to mention having 24 people wanting an update).  We took our first attempt at Harla and wiped, at which point several shouts went up in the zone from guild #2 saying "die die die" and so on (again, we have these logged). At that point, guild #2 attempted to pull harla through a wall 3 times. (They later sent us a tell saying it was an accident. Perhaps this is true but three times seems awfully excessive for an accident...) Naturally, they got adds and they died. At this point, guild #2 were petitioned for pulling Harla through a wall... I believe they were removed shortly afterwards (but again, I maybe wrong here).</P> <P>We prepared for our second Harla attempt at which point we received several tells from the guild leader of guild#2 saying there was an invis senior GM in Harla's room ready to remove any loot we got. We were also told we would be banned etc.</P> <P>We killed Harla and I received a response to my second petition. I specifically asked the GM if we did something wrong. That GM confirmed that we had done nothing wrong in using a class ability to move our guild to Harla's room (this is the conversation that can be seen on our news update) I should probably also add that there was a GM in the room with us during our second Harla fight. This person wasn't invisble and left before the mob actually died.</P> <P>Referring back to the accusations here. Pyronick.... we have never killed Harla until last night. We only ever had one attempt on Harla prior to last night and that was very early on in the expansion when we were in the room with Unity. </P> <P>The guild that have dominated Harla has been Fable.  </P> <P>We have killed Pantrilla more than once, please go and look through our news archives if you don't believe this (and honestly, if we couldn't deal with Pantrilla, we would have nooo chance on Harla)</P> <P>We have no intention of blocking anyone from Harla. We don't care who else on Splitpaw has Deathtoll access. It's an instanced zone and all 4 of the raid guilds having Deathtoll does not affect our gameplay.  We needed a Deathtoll update and we took an opportunity to get that. We're being accused of exploting to gain access to Harla's room when your guild rep asked us to CoH you guys in. If you are so high and mighty and believed our actions to be so wrong, why one earth would you wish to take a part in this?</P> <P>The GMs had their say. I believe both guild #1 and #2 were removed from the zone. We killed Harla, the GMs knew how we got access to Harla, they confirmed we didn't exploit and we're happy with that.</P> <P>Regards</P> <P>Tierra (Rebirth)</P> <P>**Edited a type <img src="/smilies/9d71f0541cff0a302a0309c5079e8dee.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />**</P> <P> </P> <P>Message Edited by Tierra on <SPAN class=date_text>04-11-2006</SPAN> <SPAN class=time_text>03:50 PM</SPAN></P> <P>Message Edited by Tierra on <SPAN class=date_text>04-11-2006</SPAN> <SPAN class=time_text>03:52 PM</SPAN><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE><BR>Well, let me add something to this story. Check my chat with a GM:</DIV> <DIV><BR>(1144795396)[Wed Apr 12 00:43:16 2006] You tell Ahvir,"Hi. Yes, we wondered if it is ok to camp a contested with a conjurer alt and gate them to the spot, like Harla Dar in the Temple? The epicx4 you must kill to open the teleport was not up, and still some used a conj to CoH the raid in there"<BR>(1144795401)[Wed Apr 12 00:43:21 2006] You tell Ahvir,"Is that really ok?"<BR>(1144795451)[Wed Apr 12 00:44:11 2006] aPC -1 Ahvir:Ahvir/a tells you,"Actually, that's not okay and will be addressed soon as well."<BR>(114479547<img src="/smilies/b2eb59423fbf5fa39342041237025880.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />[Wed Apr 12 00:44:38 2006] You tell Ahvir,"Hmm, strange. A guild got a response from a GM, who told them it was ok..."<BR>(1144795515)[Wed Apr 12 00:45:15 2006] You tell Ahvir,"We petitioned it, because they once followed us with a conjureralt  and parked him in the instance with Harla Dar"<BR>(1144795520)[Wed Apr 12 00:45:20 2006] aPC -1 Ahvir:Ahvir/a tells you,"It's okay to use Call of the Hero, it's not okay to use it to bypass game mechanics."<BR>(1144795527)[Wed Apr 12 00:45:27 2006] aPC -1 Ahvir:Ahvir/a tells you,"That response was taken out of context."<BR>(1144795535)[Wed Apr 12 00:45:35 2006] You tell Ahvir,"ok, and I guess that is what they did"<BR>(1144795543)[Wed Apr 12 00:45:43 2006] You tell Ahvir,"ok, thanks alot"<BR>(1144795557)[Wed Apr 12 00:45:57 2006] aPC -1 Ahvir:Ahvir/a tells you,"No problem."</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>So, no. What you did was not ok. And we left the Temple with no warnings from a GM or anything.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Bravesword, guildleader of Fable </DIV>

[sunbeamt]

This needs to be addressed soon.  Guilds on a lot of servers getting into a lot "fights" with Harla Dar and Ascent.  Something has to be done to change this.......Chaos is here, cats and dogs living together, oh the pain  <span>:smileysad:</span><div></div>

[Miroh]

<DIV><FONT color=#ff0000><EM><STRONG> Just bring back the option to /guildwar or however it was spelled, let the guilds go at it to a death, last man standing in the guild wins the mob...screw this /randoming, the era that this game seems to represent I don't think they woulda /random'ed over a disagreement, they wooped on each other....</STRONG></EM></FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT color=#ff0000><EM><STRONG></STRONG></EM></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT color=#ff0000><EM><STRONG> Bring back guild war from EQ1 GM's watch it go down...all out brawl between the guilds, can have it 1 on 1, winner goes to the next guild to try and lay claims......</STRONG></EM></FONT></DIV>

[Pyronick]

Taken from the EQ2 fanfair summit "Are Harla Dar and associated mobs being fixed? Yes. They're changing the way Harla Dar spawns with the next Live Update, as well as fixing several things related to her encounter to be less buggy. You will be forced to kill Pantrilla before you can attack Harla Dar, and they will possibly put a tether on her to keep her from going too far from her spawn." So no more CoH Exploits thank your very much Whether YOU dont think CoH is an exploit or not it is clear Sont arent happy with the CoH and blocking of guilds access questline so there you go <div></div>

[Kazora]

<DIV>nvm</DIV><p>Message Edited by rozakk on <span class=date_text>04-12-2006</span> <span class=time_text>02:26 AM</span>

[Felshades]

hmm need through a barrier?  duel a warlock, null caress through it.  low recast(2 min i think) and boom.  not hard. also tartons wheel yes, but not everyone has that lil thing. coh has 8 min recast, so that takes too long. or you can do it the right way and quit whinin. <div></div>

[Gaellen]

<blockquote><hr>Felshades wrote: or you can do it the right way and quit whinin. <div></div><hr></blockquote>I think the point is, those who try to do it the "right" way, by killing the first dragon, would never in a million years get to Harla in time.  She'll already be dead.  So pretty good reason to whine when there is bugger all raid content AS IS, without this joke of a system blocking us from more.<div></div>

[espmrred]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Gaellen wrote:<BR><BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Felshades wrote:<BR><BR><BR>or you can do it the right way and quit whinin.<BR> <BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE>I think the point is, those who try to do it the "right" way, by killing the first dragon, would never in a million years get to Harla in time.  She'll already be dead.  So pretty good reason to whine when there is bugger all raid content AS IS, without this joke of a system blocking us from more.<BR> <BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE><BR>Ironicly it's those same people who try to do it the "right" way and farmed relics in labs for a week and a half straight that are having the biggest issues now.

[Gaellen]

<blockquote><hr>espmrred wrote:<div></div> <blockquote> <hr> Gaellen wrote: <blockquote> <hr> Felshades wrote:or you can do it the right way and quit whinin. <div></div> <hr> </blockquote>I think the point is, those who try to do it the "right" way, by killing the first dragon, would never in a million years get to Harla in time.  She'll already be dead.  So pretty good reason to whine when there is bugger all raid content AS IS, without this joke of a system blocking us from more. <div></div> <hr> </blockquote>Ironicly it's those same people who try to do it the "right" way and farmed relics in labs for a week and a half straight that are having the biggest issues now.<hr></blockquote> Firstly, it was 2 and a half days.  We first zoned in with about 15 people at our scheduled raid start time on the Friday night, around 7pm.  When confirming what we thought was true about the way the named and lockout timer work (i.e, that it was identical to halls of fate, and made perfect sense), we hung out till about 1am.   We went back in on Saturday afternoon and hung out till about midnight.  Then we went in on Sunday afternoon for a few hours before the zone came down.  Other than that we started an hour or two early this was almost identical to our regular raid schedule.  And we only stayed late because we were actually having ... omg, I know, it's strange... fun! This is all old news, has been posted multiple times, and if anybody cares you can go hunt through our dkp logs and album gallery to actually see the pictures and timestams of people in their relic.  Like Ishbu, we're pretty willing to answer any questions about it and give up our relic if the ruling is that everybody involved was exploiting.  Several of us sent in PMs and petitions asking if what we were doing was okay.  Aside from that, though, what does that have to do with this?  On any server?  Did anything at all that a person who chose to farm relic rather than killing the named impact you, or your ability to play the game, or your ability to experience the content?  At all?  Does it block you from a whole raid zone?  In fact, does having about 20 peices of relic in the whole guild have anything at all to do with the actual question here, which is "Bypassing the system allows you to get to the mob before anybody else does - so is it okay?".  Since nobody has come forward and said what we did in labs was against ANY rule, at all, even after we've repeatedly asked devs and GMs,<i> even as we were doing it</i>, I guess I just don't get the point in bringing it up.  Constantly.  Or continuing to add to the myth that it was some game imbalancing mass exploit of epic proprtions that went on for weeks and resulted us having multiple full sets of relic each.  It didn't.<div></div>

[Crychtonn]

<P>From an outside point of view I'd say the farming of relic gear from Lab and using CoH to get to Harla Dar are the same.  Neither is wrong or an exploit and if the Dev's decide they don't want people to do it they will make changes.  They already made changes to Lab so it's obvious they felt continous farming in there for relic pieces was wrong.  They may or may not make changes to Harla Dar.</P> <P>For the people that are claiming exploit.  Does this mean all the people that paid or used a conj to CoH them down to Naggy exploited also.  I know several conj made the practice of CoH'ing people to Naggy into a business.  This let people skip past the Oratorium and all the other content on the way down there.  Are all these people exploiters too.</P> <P> </P>

[Atrocity]

<div></div><div></div><div></div><div></div>Quote: <font color="#6666cc"> Taken from the EQ2 fanfair summit</font><font color="#6666cc"> </font> <font color="#6666cc"> </font><font color="#6666cc"> "Are Harla Dar and associated mobs being fixed? </font><font color="#6666cc"> </font><font color="#6666cc"> Yes. They're changing the way Harla Dar spawns with the next Live Update, as well as fixing several things related to her encounter to be less buggy. You will be forced to kill Pantrilla before you can attack Harla Dar, and they will possibly put a tether on her to keep her from going too far from her spawn." <font color="#ffffff">This is very interesting, especially when combined with the postings from senior SoE employees in this thread: <a href="%0Ahttp://eqiiforums.station.sony.com/eq2/board/message?board.id=zones&message.id=9085" target="_blank"> http://eqiiforums.station.sony.com/eq2/board/message?board.id=zones&amp;message.id=9085</a> </font></font><font color="#6666cc"><font color="#ffffff"></font></font> <font color="#6666cc"><font color="#ffffff"> (specifically the final 3 posts) So I have to wonder, does this mean that the contested portion of the Harla Dar encounter will end with the killing of Pantrilla?  Since "spawning" the attackable Harla will be triggered by killing Pantrilla, then whoever does that will get unlimited shots at Harala Dar?  It's getting tricky to understand exactly how the game mechanics are supposed to be working for these T7 raid encounters.  Now I admit that the posts from Scott and </font></font> Lead GM Exitsan are in relation to ascent and not Harla, but the reasoning and logic being applied would seem to be similar. edits: trying to get link to work correctly - gave up, copy and past the link I guess... <div></div><p>Message Edited by Atrocity on <span class="date_text">04-12-2006</span> <span class="time_text">10:21 AM</span></p><p>Message Edited by Atrocity on <span class="date_text">04-12-2006</span> <span class="time_text">10:22 AM</span></p><p>Message Edited by Atrocity on <span class="date_text">04-12-2006</span> <span class="time_text">10:23 AM</span></p><p>Message Edited by Atrocity on <span class=date_text>04-12-2006</span> <span class=time_text>10:27 AM</span>

[Gimmiso]

<div><font color="#ff0000"><em><strong></strong></em></font><hr size="2" width="100%"><font color="#ffffff" size="2"><em><strong>Miroh Wrote:Just bring back the option to /guildwar or however it was spelled, let the guilds go at it to a death, last man standing in the guild wins the mob...screw this /randoming, the era that this game seems to represent I don't think they woulda /random'ed over a disagreement, they wooped on each other....</strong></em></font></div> <div><font color="#ffffff" size="2"><em><strong></strong></em></font><font color="#ffffff" size="2"> </font></div> <div><font color="#ff0000"><em><strong><font color="#ffffff" size="2"> Bring back guild war from EQ1 GM's watch it go down...all out brawl between the guilds, can have it 1 on 1, winner goes to the next guild to try and lay claims......</font></strong></em></font><hr size="2" width="100%"><font color="#ff0000"><em><strong><font color="#6666ff">YES YES YES!!!! that would be so fun! what better way to determine who gets the mob, and it would kill some time!I obv. never played EQ1 </font><font color="#6666ff"><span>:smileyindifferent:<font face="Verdana" size="2"><b>ok, but seriously, People are saying they heard that the Devs are fixing it so this can't happen, just like they did with Labs...same as then, it wasn't an exploit and nobody got in trouble, but enough people whined that it got changed... so, this will get changed and everyone will have the fair shot at the Real Contested, Pantrilla.... once this is fixed, I don't want to see anyone whining about it anymore, If you can't kill Pantrilla or can't beat everyone there then you have 2 options; 1.) give up 2.) all go join a guild that can get it.</b></font><font face="Verdana" size="2">but.....as long as we are stuck with the current amount of content and raid mobs/zones don't expect anyone to just not go after Pantrilla and Harla Dar so you can have it. First of all, people still need updates, second, we like loot, and third, we got time to fill here people.....there is only so much you can do for 5 hours a night 7 nights a week.... so, if  you guys really want a shot at Harla Dar, tell the Devs to give us more to do  <span>:smileyhappy:</span> I don't want to see people fight and then end up reading 6 pages of various guilds from different servers going at eachother.I know it sucks that everything is so unfair, but life is unfair.... I like to think of Harla Dar as one of the Close Parking spots at the mall.... You drive around and around in your little Kia looking for a spot, you finally see one and as you rush to get it some Guy in a Ford Excursion whips in in front of you.... Fair? well yeah.... nice? no.... if everyone in the world was nice we would never make any progress cause everyone would be too busy stepping aside for others. All I am saying is, plain and simple, these mobs are contested....means nobody can lay claim to them...but at the same time, we are not trying to prevent anyone from getting any quests or access done. AT&T didn't force themselves into a monoply, it just happened.ok, thats enough metaphors for today.I said what I said./blowkiss</font></span></font></strong></em></font></div><div></div>

[Zoren Northwood]

<i><font color="#ff0000"><em><strong><font color="#6666ff"><span><font face="Verdana" size="2">I don't want to see people fight and then end up reading 6 pages of various guilds from different servers going at eachother.I know it sucks that everything is so unfair, but life is unfair.... I like to think of Harla Dar as one of the Close Parking spots at the mall.... You drive around and around in your little Kia looking for a spot, you finally see one and as you rush to get it some Guy in a Ford Excursion whips in in front of you.... Fair? well yeah.... nice? no.... if everyone in the world was nice we would never make any progress cause everyone would be too busy stepping aside for others. All I am saying is, plain and simple, these mobs are contested....means nobody can lay claim to them...but at the same time, we are not trying to prevent anyone from getting any quests or access done. AT&T didn't force themselves into a monoply, it just happened.ok, thats enough metaphors for today. </font></span></font></strong></em></font></i><font color="#ff0000"><em><strong><font color="#6666ff"><span><font face="Verdana" size="2"><font color="#ffffff"><i>That would be a spectacular analogy -- if one small group of people lived at the mall, while the rest of the world only went to the mall after work.</i></font> </font></span></font></strong></em></font><div></div>

[Gimmiso]

<div></div><b><i><font color="#6666ff" face="Verdana">OMG! you can live at the mall?!?!?!  *Jackpot*yeah, working does suck, I wish I was at home playing right now      /sigh</font></i></b><hr size="2" width="100%">Ratty31 Wrote:The jerk store called, they're all out of you. <p>-george costanza-</p><hr size="2" width="100%"><font face="Verdana"><i><b><font color="#6666ff">WORLDS ARE COLLIDING!</font></b></i></font><p><font color="#ff33cc" face="Garamond" size="4"><b>Koenig Rocks my Socks off!</b></font></p><p><font color="#ff33cc" face="Garamond" size="4"><b></b></font></p><p>ok, back on topic:</p><p><font color="#ccff66">"and from the dev post , it looks like SoE is just going to make it worse""so, does killing Pantrilla give you a locked Harla Dar?" <font color="#cc0000">"no"</font>"so whats to stop a guild from letting another guild kill pantrilla, then just taking Harla Dar"</font><font color="#ccff66"></font><font color="#ccff66">"they should just make the [expletive haxx0red by Raijinn] Harla instanced and call it a day"</font><font color="#ccff66">"or leave it contested and tell the whiners to [expletive haxx0red by Raijinn]"</font><font color="#cc3333">"so yeah, you have to kill pant/ go through idol and then pull harla and its not locked, but the guild that killed pantrilla "owns" harla....and the devs think everyone is gonna respect that? Glad I'm not on a server with alot of Raiding Guilds"</font></p><div></div><p>Message Edited by Gimmisome on <span class=date_text>04-12-2006</span> <span class=time_text>11:09 AM</span>

[Miroh]

<DIV> <FONT color=#ff0000><EM><STRONG>Might as well just take down the barrier, I guess that way people could put away their tissues.....</STRONG></EM></FONT></DIV>

[seistaan1]

<P>Am i the only one who finds it very funny that we asked a simple question </P> <P> </P> <P>Is using other means to reach the encounter intended?</P> <P>Using no names or finger pointing yet some folks feel the need to bring up past issues dragging the thread off topic. </P> <P> </P> <P>Either way i wold love to see a red name pop in here blackguard zlitin anyone ?</P> <P> </P> <P> </P>

[Faynne]

I was writing this as an answer to another thread that has magically disappeared. So I will post it here. The Devs made this mess and the Devs have to straighten it out. Right now it is creating nothing but tensions, hated among guilds/players.When servers where merged, that created more raiding guilds on a server. So now instead of 2 or 3 guilds racing for contestables, you have 5 or 6. Fine , not to bad if the content is there. But KOS does NOT have the content. At least not yet.Now we have GM's popping up to intervene. And we are hearing different versions of what the policy is.This is creating more tension/hated than it is worth honestly. And should have been forseen by the devs. To have contested that need eyes to spawn them is utterly rediculous in the current realm. It actually takes away the meaning of contested. Who in their right minds would pop and effigy/dragon with a set of eyes they have farmed and then have to FIGHT to get the mob just because another guild is there and waiting that does not have the eyes to do so???People compare this to SC. Yet the eyes we farmed in SC allowed only the raid force with the eyes into FOL. No other raid force could get in. If Ascent is truly contested then take the eye farming away as it negates their use. And leave the dragons truly contestable... first come first fight. If they want to keeps the farming for eyes in, then only the raid that has the eyes should be able to have a go at the dragon. And if 2 forces haves sets of eyes, then whoever puts the eyes first wins the mob. In either case, if after so many tries, wipes it can become contested (say 10 consecutive). Or if the original places leave and the dragon is not dead, then it is a FFA.Now to TOS and Harla... another fiasco somewhat. She is not only needed for an access but quests! It was planned to have to fight to her, first kill another to spawn an idol that will open her door. Fine, really not bad idea and makes it fun. However, once a raid force/guild kills here they leave a someone with COH powers. This means now they can bypass all the other stuff and just go straight to Harla. No clearing to Pantrilla, no spawning an idol. Straight to Harla. I dont think that was the intent of the developer. Don't get me wrong, I do not think using it is an exploit. I just do not think it was the intended way the developer wanted this to happen. IMO only, COH was meant to Call another to a raid or group in a zone so they can continue with what they are doing without having to evac and pick up person and clear back to what they are doing. If a force is already in Harla after killing Pantrilla, spawning the idol and need to replace someone then COH is fine. How it was meant to be used. But to not be used to bypass an intended funtion. Now here dual purpose. What a horrendous idea. If a guild can dominate her , the essentlially block everyone from the Access AND QUESTS!! Yes, I know you still need a raid force, I understand that. But why is one RAID mob used for so many purposes. It almost seems that the devs wanted something to happen. Maybe making an instanced TOS for quests only, that keeps all the mobs and basically the same strat as the Access one, but will only give update for non access quests. Keep the original TOS as is but with above modifiers for Deathtoll access. But it is up to the devs at this point. This needs to get resolved soon. To many raiding guilds are losing members because there is nothing to do, esp if not in the top guild. Just adding one instance in the next LU and one the LU after is not going to solve this. Those are bandaids. Unless, all this tension is the Devs intent. I hope it is not.

[GidionSWE]

<P>in respons to if its ok to use coh to get to harla thus skipping pantrilla/idol a gm said:</P> <P> <EM>Its ok to use Call of the Hero. Its not ok to use it to bypass content. </EM>(content meaning killing pantrilla)</P> <P>Thus it is an exploit and not allowed.</P> <P> </P> <P>(sry to lazy to post log/screeny)</P>

[espmrred]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> GidionSWE wrote:<BR> <P>in respons to if its ok to use coh to get to harla thus skipping pantrilla/idol a gm said:</P> <P> <EM>Its ok to use Call of the Hero. Its not ok to use it to bypass content. </EM>(content meaning killing pantrilla)</P> <P>Thus it is an exploit and not allowed.</P> <P> </P> <P>(sry to lazy to post log/screeny)</P><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE><BR>and on serers where Harla Dar pops before Pantrilla, then what? Sit around and wait for 6-12-24 hours for pantrilla to pop? (We've had more than one instance where harla popped first, and pan was quite far behind in spawning)

[Ratty31]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> GidionSWE wrote:<BR> <P>in respons to if its ok to use coh to get to harla thus skipping pantrilla/idol a gm said:</P> <P> <EM>Its ok to use Call of the Hero. Its not ok to use it to bypass content. </EM>(content meaning killing pantrilla)</P> <P>Thus it is an exploit and not allowed.</P> <P> </P> <P>(sry to lazy to post log/screeny)</P><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE><BR>Then according to this GM coh is an exploit everytime it's used because the only thing it's used for is to bypass content; weather it be solo, heroic, epic, walls, doors, orbs, water, levels, lava, bridges etc.

[GidionSWE]

<P>we petition for just such a case ... </P> <P>harla dar was up, pantrilla and idol wasnt... thats the response we got.</P> <P>edited for: koenig imo passing content u could get to by regular means is ok...passing content that is there to block you, is not. </P> <P> </P><p>Message Edited by GidionSWE on <span class=date_text>04-12-2006</span> <span class=time_text>01:36 PM</span>

[Snarks]

like I said, and i guess i hvae to say it again, everyone keeps missing the point entirely, even if they did make pantrilla spawn first, and harla dar was an NPC, and all that,  in every example the guilds that are whining about harladar monopoly are not the most hardcore guilds on the server. you guys dont get hurricanus which is fair and available. or vraksakin or three princes or everything else. the reason you are complaining is becaues this mob is a quest mob, and it shouldn't be. if you want quest updates, SOE needs to eiither remove this requirement entirely, or provide some sortof instanced alternative. especially if soe implements that a large chunk of the raid requires deathtoll access, which would probably require more than one harla dar kill note: please dont take this as condescending or anything, i see nothing wrong with other guilds getting into deathtoll and id like to see them do more content than putter around in the not-so-exciting ascent of the awakened. <div></div>

[Ratty31]

Everytime you mount a griffen an exploit gets it's wings. Why? because it bypasses content.

[GidionSWE]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Ratty31 wrote:<BR> Everytime you mount a griffen an exploit gets it's wings. Why? because it bypasses content.<BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE> <P><BR>as i said in my edit... what it must mean is... passing content that is there to block you is not ok. </P> <P>jumping on a griffin doesnt make u pass any content that block you. you could just as well get from oracle tower to steppes station by running.</P> <P> </P>

[zjusti]

<div><blockquote><hr>Gaellen wrote:<blockquote><hr>Felshades wrote: or you can do it the right way and quit whinin. <div></div><hr></blockquote>I think the point is, those who try to do it the "right" way, by killing the first dragon, would never in a million years get to Harla in time.  She'll already be dead.  So pretty good reason to whine when there is bugger all raid content AS IS, without this joke of a system blocking us from more.<div></div><hr></blockquote>This coming from the guild that tried to lag pull harla dar through the wall...  Don't come here trying to put yourself all high and mighty on a pedestal when you have clearly tried to exploit the encounter.JerobEternal ChaosBefallen Server</div>

[Gaige]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> espmrred wrote:<BR> <BR>and on serers where Harla Dar pops before Pantrilla, then what? Sit around and wait for 6-12-24 hours for pantrilla to pop? (We've had more than one instance where harla popped first, and pan was quite far behind in spawning)<BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE> <P>Yup.</P> <P>Barrier around Harla.  Pantrilla dies to make useable an idol to get past barrier and get to Harla.</P> <P>Come on.</P> <P>This isn't rocket science.<BR></P>

[Ratty31]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Gaige wrote:<BR> <BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> espmrred wrote:<BR> <BR>and on serers where Harla Dar pops before Pantrilla, then what? Sit around and wait for 6-12-24 hours for pantrilla to pop? (We've had more than one instance where harla popped first, and pan was quite far behind in spawning)<BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE> <P>Yup.</P> <P>Barrier around Harla.  Pantrilla dies to make useable an idol to get past barrier and get to Harla.</P> <P>Come on.</P> <P>This isn't rocket science.<BR></P><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE><BR>Neither is wall in way use coh, Gaige.

[Gertack_v2]

<div><blockquote><hr>zjustin2 wrote:<div>This coming from the guild that tried to lag pull harla dar through the wall...  Don't come here trying to put yourself all high and mighty on a pedestal when you have clearly tried to exploit the encounter.</div><hr></blockquote>Never pulled it through the wall. Never will pull it through the wall. Kindly apologize for libel. <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /></div>

[Gaige]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Ratty31 wrote:<BR> <BR>Neither is wall in way use coh, Gaige.<BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE> <P>...</P> <P>So you're telling me that you've never killed Pantrilla and never used the idol to get beyond the DESIGNER IMPLEMENTED ARTIFICIAL BARRIER AROUND HARLA DAR before?</P> <P>You've always just used a conjuror to CoH past this DESIGNER IMPLEMENTED BARRIER before?</P> <P>No.</P> <P>The first time or one of the times you did the encounters as intended.  That is you killed Pantrilla in order to activate the idol (implemented by the devs) to get around the barrier around Harla (also implemented by the devs).</P> <P>If the devs didn't want you to kill Pantrilla first there would:</P> <P>A) Be no idol</P> <P>B) Be no artificial barrier around Harla</P> <P>and maybe even</P> <P>C) Be no Pantrilla</P> <P>They certainly wouldn't go to such extremes to obviously link Pantrilla, the idol, the barrier and Harla for... nothing.</P> <P>If they intended people to CoH straight to Harla I'm sure the barrier wouldn't exist, nor would the idol as CoH'ing past them gives little to no reason for the devs to implement them in the first place.</P> <P>Finally, the posts from the summit should show you that changes are being made to make CoH'ing to Harla futile.  Namely she will be an NPC until Pantrilla is dead and the idol is activated.</P> <P>Care to weakly defend your position of using CoH in an unintended manner as a means to bypass content and roadblocks specifically designed as a means to prevent players from getting to Harla w/o killing Pantrilla first.</P> <P>No?  Good.</P> <P>This reminds me of the flame thrower in Deathtoll and when Glendral posted in beta that he wanted players to try to get past it because doing so without doing the required steps first was UNINTENDED.</P> <P>Wow go figure.<BR></P>

[zjusti]

<div><blockquote><hr>Gertack wrote:<div><blockquote><hr>zjustin2 wrote:<div>This coming from the guild that tried to lag pull harla dar through the wall...  Don't come here trying to put yourself all high and mighty on a pedestal when you have clearly tried to exploit the encounter.</div><hr></blockquote>Never pulled it through the wall. Never will pull it through the wall. Kindly apologize for libel. <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /></div><hr></blockquote>So 2 weeks ago when your tank had harla dar targeted and someone was "walking" into the door you weren't pulling it?  Wow my bad...</div>

[Gertack_v2]

<div></div><div><blockquote><hr>zjustin2 wrote:<div>So 2 weeks ago when your tank had harla dar targeted and someone was "walking" into the door you weren't pulling it?  Wow my bad...</div><hr></blockquote>Nope, never pulled it.  You might assume we did, but we specifically decided pulling it through the wall was lame, so we're not, and won't.  As for the target, could've /assist'd off someone else or they did a /target or whatever.  I don't know specifics as I'm not a tank, but /target does work without line of sight. For example:/target Valten Darkcleanse</div><p>Message Edited by Gertack on <span class=date_text>04-12-2006</span> <span class=time_text>05:40 PM</span>

[Schmoogles]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Gertack wrote:<BR> <DIV><BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> zjustin2 wrote:<BR> <DIV>So 2 weeks ago when your tank had harla dar targeted and someone was "walking" into the door you weren't pulling it?  Wow my bad...<BR><BR></DIV><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE>Nope, never pulled it.  You might assume we did, but we specifically decided pulling it through the wall was lame, so we're not, and won't.  As for the target, could've /assist'd off someone else or they did a /target or whatever.  I don't know specifics as I'm not a tank, but /target does work without line of sight. <BR><BR>For example:<BR>/target Valten Darkcleanse<BR><BR></DIV> <P>Message Edited by Gertack on <SPAN class=date_text>04-12-2006</SPAN> <SPAN class=time_text>05:40 PM</SPAN><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE> <P><BR>Well in this case hear I think he is talking about your Guardian "lagging" thru the wall and right next to Harla Dar then all of a sudden Harla Dar moved and went thru the door or at the door.  Someone was watching from her room and on the other side of her when it happened, so it really did happen but you might not have seen it or the Guardian was not in the raid at the time testing it out.  It doesn't matter tho because shortly after you all left and looked like you thought it wasn't a good idea to do it that way and left. </P> <P>not commenting on anything else on this thread anymore.  Guess we will find out next LU what is in store for us.  :smileyhappy: </P>

[Ratty31]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Gaige wrote:<BR> <BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Ratty31 wrote:<BR> <BR>Neither is wall in way use coh, Gaige.<BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE> <P>...</P> <P>So you're telling me that you've never killed Pantrilla and never used the idol to get beyond the DESIGNER IMPLEMENTED ARTIFICIAL BARRIER AROUND HARLA DAR before?</P> <P>You've always just used a conjuror to CoH past this DESIGNER IMPLEMENTED BARRIER before?</P> <P>No.</P> <P>The first time or one of the times you did the encounters as intended.  That is you killed Pantrilla in order to activate the idol (implemented by the devs) to get around the barrier around Harla (also implemented by the devs).</P> <P>If the devs didn't want you to kill Pantrilla first there would:</P> <P>A) Be no idol</P> <P>B) Be no artificial barrier around Harla</P> <P>and maybe even</P> <P>C) Be no Pantrilla</P> <P>They certainly wouldn't go to such extremes to obviously link Pantrilla, the idol, the barrier and Harla for... nothing.</P> <P>If they intended people to CoH straight to Harla I'm sure the barrier wouldn't exist, nor would the idol as CoH'ing past them gives little to no reason for the devs to implement them in the first place.</P> <P>Finally, the posts from the summit should show you that changes are being made to make CoH'ing to Harla futile.  Namely she will be an NPC until Pantrilla is dead and the idol is activated.</P> <P>Care to weakly defend your position of using CoH in an unintended manner as a means to bypass content and roadblocks specifically designed as a means to prevent players from getting to Harla w/o killing Pantrilla first.</P> <P>No?  Good.</P> <P>This reminds me of the flame thrower in Deathtoll and when Glendral posted in beta that he wanted players to try to get past it because doing so without doing the required steps first was UNINTENDED.</P> <P>Wow go figure.<BR></P><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE> <P><BR>Gaige this is gonna blow your mind....One time Harla Dar was up so I COH'd to her so we could kill her and right before we started Pantrilla popped. We evac'd and killed pantrilla then took the portal and killed Harla Dar... was just pure craziness man.</P> <P>Now I'm going to "weakly" defend my postition: If relic wasn't meant to be farmed they would have put a timer on the zone(quote from all the relic farmers)</P> <P>                                                                             If COH wasn't meant to get past the wall they would have disabled it</P>

[Gaige]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Ratty31 wrote:<BR> <P>One time Harla Dar was up so I COH'd to her so we could kill her and right before we started Pantrilla popped. <HR> <P></P></BLOCKQUOTE>How was the conjuror camped in Harla's room if you or another guild had never previously done the encounters correctly.

[Snarks]

gaige I know what you are saying, but I think your argument is a little too harsh and narrow minded of course, without exploits, the only way for the first harla dar kill is to kill pantrilla. we know many guilds avoided this altogether and pulled to the entrance via lagging. we did not do this. pantrilla is clearly linked to the idol and the barrier, but you present no lore that suggest that pantrilla must be killed before harla dar. i dont see why COTH to gain access to harla dars chamber contradicts lore in any way. if pantrilla is the guardian of the chamber, why cant you logically call people in? i just dont understand this maybe its not as developers intended when coding the zone, and then has the right to be fixed, but to come here with a negative attitude towards guilds that do it is frustrating. and in the end, when they do change how the two are related, its not going to solve any of the whining happening anyways. harla dar is a poorly designed raid mob, which is easily griefable (as happened to your guild as posted on their website). It is also the most "contested" spawn probably beacuse of its relation to wurmslayer and deathtoll. With the rumored changes, I can totally see 4+ guilds at harla dar, and with the way that encounter is designed, its going to cause so much drama/problems its unreal. and scott, in the future please dont implement ANY contested encounters that a gm can assign to a certain guild, the concept just doesnt make sense <div></div>

[zjusti]

<div></div><div><blockquote><hr>Schmoogles wrote:<div></div> <blockquote> <hr> Gertack wrote: <div></div> <div> <blockquote> <hr> zjustin2 wrote: <div>So 2 weeks ago when your tank had harla dar targeted and someone was "walking" into the door you weren't pulling it?  Wow my bad...</div> <hr> </blockquote>Nope, never pulled it.  You might assume we did, but we specifically decided pulling it through the wall was lame, so we're not, and won't.  As for the target, could've /assist'd off someone else or they did a /target or whatever.  I don't know specifics as I'm not a tank, but /target does work without line of sight. For example:/target Valten Darkcleanse</div> <p>Message Edited by Gertack on <span class="date_text">04-12-2006</span> <span class="time_text">05:40 PM</span> </p><hr> </blockquote> <p>Well in this case hear I think he is talking about your Guardian "lagging" thru the wall and right next to Harla Dar then all of a sudden Harla Dar moved and went thru the door or at the door.  Someone was watching from her room and on the other side of her when it happened, so it really did happen but you might not have seen it or the Guardian was not in the raid at the time testing it out.  It doesn't matter tho because shortly after you all left and looked like you thought it wasn't a good idea to do it that way and left. </p> <p>not commenting on anything else on this thread anymore.  Guess we will find out next LU what is in store for us.  :smileyhappy: </p><hr></blockquote>I think thats what you called pwnd by a gnome.  Maybe your entire guild didn't pull it,  maybe you were just testing it,  maybe he was just testing it.  It doesn't change the fact that soemone wearing your tag did try to pull it threw the wall IE exploit.  It's just frustrating seeing all these fallen members coming here saying omg coh is an exploit after witnessing this with my own eyes.</div><p>Message Edited by zjustin2 on <span class=date_text>04-12-2006</span> <span class=time_text>03:16 PM</span>

[Riversideblues]

well i guess if you want to wait the 3 1/5th hours to Coh your whole raid then i don't see a huge problem considering it IS an imgame mechanic, lagging through doors and pulling through walls to avoid parts of the encounter isn't. the best thing i could see would be to make this a seperate zone that isnt SOS so you can't coh since it's obviously not intended<img src="http://images6.theimagehosting.com/kiwis.gif"><div></div>

[Faynne]

NOT. I was at said raid and at all times had the MT & MA targeted. So as far as I know they did not lag through wall. Also interesting to note , that when we were leaving someone said to us.. "Pulling through a wall goes against the grain for your guild?"

[Gertack_v2]

<div><blockquote><hr>zjustin2 wrote:<div></div><div>I think thats what you called pwnd by a gnome.  Maybe your entire guild didn't pull it,  maybe you were just testing it,  maybe he was just testing it.  It doesn't change the fact that soemone wearing your tag did try to pull it threw the wall IE exploit.  It's just frustrating seeing all these fallen members coming here saying omg coh is an exploit after witnessing this with my own eyes.</div><hr></blockquote>Never heard anyone say they were going to try to pull it (we'd have said not to), nor do I remember them doing so. You're free to make up your own theories (well, you already are), but I doubt they'd be favorable to us, given your bias. <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />Blah blah.  We farmed relic for two days, you CoH'd to Harla Dar once.  Are we done yet?(Actually, we still farm relic...since the lockout is only 6 days, we do it the day before so it stays on a 7-day schedule.  Normal loot + 1 day extra trash farming.)Looking forward to the changes.</div>

[Gaige]

<BLOCKQUOTE> <P> <HR> <P></P> <P>snarkteeth wrote:<BR>gaige I know what you are saying, but I think your argument is a little too harsh and narrow minded<BR><BR><FONT color=#ffff00>of course, without exploits, the only way for the first harla dar kill is to kill pantrilla. </FONT></P> <P><FONT color=#ff3300>pantrilla is clearly linked to the idol and the barrier, but you present no lore that suggest that pantrilla must be killed before harla dar.</FONT> <HR> <P></P></BLOCKQUOTE> <P>Read what you wrote please.</P> <P>Yellow and then red.</P> <P>You provide all the evidence yourself.</P> <P>What is the barrier there for?  To deny players from getting to Harla until the idol is activated.</P> <P>Its pretty clear lore.</P> <P>As do the upcoming changes to the encounter.</P>

[seistaan1]

<P>Enough folks</P> <P> </P> <P>To the members of ec I didnt point fingers or say anything about you neither did the original poster. </P> <P> </P> <P>All i wanted to know was if it was intended simple question.</P> <P> </P> <P>And as for the unfounded notion that we would pull throught the wall</P> <P>We were all  cruising around killing other mobs waiting for pantrila.... at least the raid i was with was... while waiting for pantrila we went and killed a little named lizard that was also up. </P> <P>keep on topic   </P>

[Snarks]

<blockquote><hr>Gaige wrote:<div></div> <blockquote> <p> </p><hr> <p></p> <p>snarkteeth wrote:gaige I know what you are saying, but I think your argument is a little too harsh and narrow minded<font color="#ffff00">of course, without exploits, the only way for the first harla dar kill is to kill pantrilla. </font></p> <p><font color="#ff3300">pantrilla is clearly linked to the idol and the barrier, but you present no lore that suggest that pantrilla must be killed before harla dar.</font> </p><hr> <p></p></blockquote> <p>Read what you wrote please.</p> <p>Yellow and then red.</p> <p>You provide all the evidence yourself.</p> <p>What is the barrier there for?  To deny players from getting to Harla until the idol is activated.</p> <p>Its pretty clear lore.</p> <p>As do the upcoming changes to the encounter.</p><hr></blockquote>no you are missing my point entirely, i said that originally you have to go through pantrilla to get into her room, but after that its fair game. I also addressed the upcoming changes, and I gave many reasons why they wont work at all, especially on servers like yours where guilds grief the encounter. obviously the lore is clear that panrilla guards the idol/barrier, but I see no lore connection between pantrilla/harla dar, that one must be killed first etc. i highly doubt they will disable COTH in the zone when they do make changes, because there is nothing wrong with it. if the developers want pantrilla killed first, they will make those changes, but for now, it doesnt matter.<div></div>

[Gertack_v2]

<div><blockquote><hr>snarkteeth wrote:I also addressed the upcoming changes, and I gave many reasons why they wont work at all, especially on servers like yours where guilds grief the encounter.<div></div><hr></blockquote>I'm rather expecting to have guilds at the NPC Harla Dar waiting for guilds at Pantrilla to change Harla Dar attackable for them.  Let's hope Sony does something more than simply NPC flagging Harla Dar until Pantrilla dies...Though if they don't do anything more than that, I won't be surprised. <img src="/smilies/69934afc394145350659cd7add244ca9.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /></div>

[Miroh]

<DIV><EM><STRONG><FONT color=#ff0000>Lame idea to lag pull I guess because it didn't work, kept breaking before engaged... :smileysurprised:</FONT></STRONG></EM></DIV><p>Message Edited by Miroh69 on <span class=date_text>04-12-2006</span> <span class=time_text>04:54 PM</span>

[Mordacion]

I love how I make a very simple post asking a very simple question, with not one name mentioned at all, and now we've got a lovely little "omg I'm holier/mightier than you!" [Removed for Content] contest going on. This thread was meant to ask a question, and that question has been partially answered with the rest of the answer to come in the next LU. Everyone go find something more entertaining to do than whine and fight and let the thread stay on its intended topic for Christ sakes.

[Miroh]

<DIV><FONT color=#ff0000><EM><STRONG>Can you as well as the other really believe that this wasn't to be expected? Honestly...lol you knew putting it here after all the mess this would come.  No need for ignorance.</STRONG></EM></FONT></DIV> <DIV><STRONG><EM><FONT color=#ff0000></FONT></EM></STRONG> </DIV> <DIV><STRONG><EM><FONT color=#ff0000> Nice to wait 5 pages later to say it as well.......</FONT></EM></STRONG></DIV><p>Message Edited by Miroh69 on <span class=date_text>04-12-2006</span> <span class=time_text>07:08 PM</span>

[Mordacion]

<DIV>I had hoped people could take the high road for once, but oh well.  And as to waiting 5 pages I was busy arranging interviews with a couple Fortune 500 companies, so pardon me for not being available to troll the forums instead of lining up a sweet-[expletive haxx0red by Raijinn] job for myself post-grad :smileyvery-happy:</DIV><p>Message Edited by Mordacion on <span class=date_text>04-12-2006</span> <span class=time_text>07:35 PM</span>

[Miroh]

<FONT color=#ff0000><EM><STRONG>Well you were playing the game the other day, dunno about today so yeah you had time...</STRONG></EM></FONT>

[sunbeamt]

<div><blockquote><hr>Gaige wrote:<div></div> <blockquote> <hr> Ratty31 wrote: <div></div> <p>One time Harla Dar was up so I COH'd to her so we could kill her and right before we started Pantrilla popped. </p><hr> <p></p></blockquote>How was the conjuror camped in Harla's room if you or another guild had never previously done the encounters correctly.<hr></blockquote>There are many ways to get a conj in there.  Blink or items like tarton's wheel are your friend.  Forget CoH that takes way way way to long!  Can have grps blinking / tarton wheel over in a few mins. You can easily get over the barrier without having done Pantrilla.Now, the realy question is .... will there be a fix for this quickly?  I agree what is happening on servers like splitpaw.....is insane.   <span>:smileysad:</span></div>

[Miroh]

<P><FONT color=#ff0000><EM><STRONG>Just make the guild pvp for it...Fair enough. Problem Solved.  Would end the racing, end the finger pointing, end the accusations....</STRONG></EM></FONT></P> <P><FONT color=#ff0000><EM><STRONG>Guild vs Guild</STRONG></EM></FONT></P>

[sunbeamt]

Disagree on the PvP thing.  Has to be something better than that.  Maybe make Ascent and Scale instances with 5 day timers.....something to keep 4-5 guilds petitioning GMs everytime a mob is up.<div></div>

[Shakir10]

<DIV>The main point here is that Harla Dar needs to be taken off the list of kills needed for access to Deathtoll.  OR, there needs to be an intstanced zone made similar to Vox where a guild can go in for the specific purpose of getting the quest update. </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>That is the biggest problem most guilds have right now with Harla Dar. We don't see guilds complaining about Huricanus or the princes or others atm, cause they are not for quest updates, just loot. If there were another way for a guild to get the update they need from Harla Dar then there would not be this mess right now. </DIV>

[Gaellen]

Gosh.  Another version of the "they farmed relic nonstop for 2 weeks" story to spread around, with about as much truth to it. You don't think we have tartons wheels? Or Warlocks? Or Conjs? Or lag on demand? You think we didn't see all the posts here about it, or have anybody else tell us about it, or SEE other guilds and people do it? If we'd wanted to cheat our way to the mob, it's not like we didn't know how.  <div></div>

[zjusti]

<div></div>Say your camping one of the dragons in Palace and one of your group members has to leave.  You invite someone else but they can't get to you becaues the barrier is up on the first floor wall and they can't train/kill the idol to bring it down.  If you CoH someone to the dragon room that is an exploit by your thinking? Your bypassing mobs and an idol (omg pantrilla/idol sound familar) and your bypassing a barrier (omg the wall barrier in temple) Or is it only an exploit if you need it for deathtoll?JerobEternal ChasBefallen Server<div></div><p>Message Edited by zjustin2 on <span class=date_text>04-13-2006</span> <span class=time_text>08:33 AM</span>

[Mordacion]

<DIV>You know what, this thread isn't worth having a post on at all really.</DIV><p>Message Edited by Mordacion on <span class=date_text>04-13-2006</span> <span class=time_text>01:45 PM</span>

[ChaosUndivided]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Mordacion wrote:<BR> <DIV>The specific problem with using CoH in ToS can be illustrated by this example:</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Two guilds enter Temple to get to Harla Dar and clear a path down to near Pantrilla. Guild A gets there first and begins prepping for the pull. Guild B decides to then log on a few parked conjuror alts and zips down to Harla's room while Guild A is busy killing Pantrilla so they can access HarlaDar by the obviously intended method. Guild A finishes killing Pantrilla then ports down to Harla Dar only to see Guild B with her already engaged and has to watch the mob they took the correct and intended path to reach be killed by Guild A who clearly circumvented the inteded game mechanics to reach her ahead of them.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>There's the issue, plain as day. This is my final post here (unless a redname says something of interest) because I'm sickened by all the bickering and whining. Good day.</DIV> <P>Message Edited by Mordacion on <SPAN class=date_text>04-13-2006</SPAN> <SPAN class=time_text>08:41 AM</SPAN><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE> <P><BR>Thats a non issue, unless Guild B has 12 Conjurer Alts all waiting to Coth everyone, it will take them way too long, it takes my guild 30mins to fight from Entrance, kill pantrilla and be in harla's chamber clearing adds.</P> <P>You'd need an army of conjurers for this ever to happen.</P>

[Feltrak]

<DIV>I try to read the boards as little as possible. But I figured I'd share our experience.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>There is a guild on blackburrow called amends. They are very interested in killing every contested whenever it pops. Their leader will never give up on Harla because she has loot. We figured that we'd get Harla eventually when they went into an instance and she popped while in, we weren't that concerned about it.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Scenario 1: One night we killed vraksakin and Pantrilla, and moved into Harla's chamber for our first shot at Harla. We were figuring out the encounter when amends came in and attempted to kill it. We gave up and let them have it, and they didn't succeed that night. They all camped in the chamber and logged in their characters the next day, and killed Harla that night. Even though we killed Pantrilla the day before. I'm not complaining that they killed it. We got Harla a week later, and this is what happened:</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Scenario 2: One night we caught Pantrilla up at midnight EST. Pantrilla has a beefy loot table, like Honor of Pantrilla, so we wanted the kill. We knew we did not have the raid force to do Harla, and we're a half EST guild, so we didn't have time to give it even one attempt. We have several conjuror alts, and at least 2 that raid regularly. The next day we came back and knew the idol wasn't up, so we used conjuror alts to COH into the chamber. The leader of amends stood in zone and explained to his guild that we were exploiting. </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Are these two scenarios really much different?</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>My suggestion to the OP: A 3rd guild on our server plans on killing Harla. For two nights in a row they assembled an entire raid force and stood in Harla's chamber waiting for her to pop. If you just want her for deathtoll access, extreme measures may be required like what they did.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>IMO Vraksakin, Pantrilla, and Harla should all be a series of mobs. And it should be required to kill them in order to advance. But it's not like that, so why claim that it is?</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>As far as the GM responses go: I talked to a couple different GM's about these issues, and none of them knew anything about what was going on, what was intended, etc. I don't think they knew what zone temple of scale was.</DIV>

[Esar]

<DIV><BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Mordacion wrote:<BR> <DIV>The specific problem with using CoH in ToS can be illustrated by this example:</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Two guilds enter Temple to get to Harla Dar and clear a path down to near Pantrilla. Guild A gets there first and begins prepping for the pull. Guild B decides to then log on a few parked conjuror alts and zips down to Harla's room while Guild A is busy killing Pantrilla so they can access HarlaDar by the obviously intended method. Guild A finishes killing Pantrilla then ports down to Harla Dar only to see Guild B with her already engaged and has to watch the mob they took the correct and intended path to reach be killed by Guild A who clearly circumvented the inteded game mechanics to reach her ahead of them.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>There's the issue, plain as day. This is my final post here (unless a redname says something of interest) because I'm sickened by all the bickering and whining. Good day.</DIV> <P>Message Edited by Mordacion on <SPAN class=date_text>04-13-2006</SPAN> <SPAN class=time_text>08:41 AM</SPAN><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE><BR>no comment....  Obviously in reality this isnt even an issue since kokusho doesnt know how long it takes to CoH an entire raid down to harla dar.  And about bickering and whining.. sounds kind of hypocritical dont you think?</DIV>

[Atrocity]

From my point of view one of the major problems with Harla Dar is that it is truely a griefer's dream mob.  If you have a strong guild on a server that can take Harla down then they can pretty much make sure no one else will ever get a chance.  If you have more than one of these guilds on a server then there are going to be guaranteed fights. When two or more guilds who are not interested in cooperating with each other get into ToS what's going to happen?  Say one guild goes and kills Pantrilla, ok  so the other rushes to Harla to try to  get the jump on the first guild.  Second guild starts clearing the adds.  From my memory, this does not lock Harla correct?  So then guild one can wait for guild two to clear most of the adds and then pull Harla?  Or does everyone just stand around and stare at each other? If this was just a contested mob with nice loot, oh well, go to town.  Win some lose some.  People will hopefully continue to be civil.  However, Harla is needed for Deathtoll access and Wurmslayer HQ.  There's just no way people are going to play nice over this spawn. I don't have the answer but we know that  changes are coming.  Right now I think the best way to go might be to have Pantrilla be the contested mob with the guild that downs her being able to access Harla.  Will this access be restriced to 24 players? /shrug  Guess we have to wait and see.  <div></div>

[seistaan1]

<P>I think they would make everyone in the entire world happy if they just instanced the zone slapped a six day timer on it and be done with it. Or change harla darrs loot table to be utter slop and make both he and pantrila spawn more often.  Either solution would work for me. </P> <P> </P> <P>Personally i could care less what his loot table is i just want the update so we dont have to go farm in there .... well ever again :smileysad:</P>

[Octilius]

To fix the CoH issue something as simple as giving you a 30 minute timer from Pantrilla kill (maybe more I've never done it, maybe an hour).  You may only speak to the NPC Harla Dar during this hour to turn him aggro.  After 1 hour of being aggro Harla Dar despawns.  That gives any raid guild 2 hours (from killing pantrilla, 1 hour to clear adds and then 1 hour once hailed).  If they aren't on timer part of the quest -- don't let Harla Dar spawn.  If they aren't on timer part of quest -- Don't let them through the portal that pops.  Seems like an easy fix and this stuff is already around (think Big Squiggly -- he only spawned while on 15(?) minute timer in LS).  They don't have to make this mob not-contestable - They just need to provide the same chance to killing the mob for everyone.  If guilds want to camp conjurors in the room - so be it.  The guild that hails harla is gauranteed first shot - so as long as you were "quicker" to Pantrilla then the other guild there is no problem.I say this knowing good and well that I wont get my deathtoll update unless they instance it or unless the loot table is removed, I am not in a guild that would be able to have the raid forces on at all times and be able to CoH down, or kill it on the first attempt.<div></div>

[TheOriginalArgolic]

<DIV>First off there is no way one guild can just jump over another guild killing Pantrilla and go straight for Harla Dar.  It takes 15 -18 Min, if you are fast enought to clear all the adds before you can even think of attempting Harla Dar.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>What should happen is my scenario yesterday:</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>My raid force came behind the raid force of another guild.  Raid Leaders spoke and agreed to give the first to the zone the chance to attempt the whole encounter then switch upon fail.  Easy, nice and clean and worked like a charm.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Problem is out there is no one wants to work together, guilds seem to find pleasure in Cuock Blocking other guilds for these kills.</DIV>

[Sute]

<P>Harla Dar, Deathtoll and any loot from either as far as im concerned can go to hell. I'm past caring about it and in truth, i never cared anyways. I just hate the bickering between two guilds for no reason.</P> <P>I'm trying to take the high road, but its becoming harder and harder. I have always said in the past, if its one person your upset with take it out on them, not the whole guild they are in. But this BS guild on guild thing is crazy.</P> <P>I have not done one thing wrong to any member of EC and in reality i hope im friends with lots of you. Hell i woudl help any of you (as ihave in the past to a few members) if you needed it. Can we please stop the whole guild name calling thing? Everyone in the guild does not have the same opinions.</P> <P>Peace.</P> <P> </P>

[Gaellen]

Right on. This post was never meant to be about finger pointing, it was to ask how we are expected to get to the mob.  Beacuse at least Deathtoll will be something else to whine about.  <img src="/smilies/69934afc394145350659cd7add244ca9.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /> <div></div>

[GidionSWE]

<P>imo what they should/could do imo...make pantrilla drop an item that is a 1 time use to zone the raid to harla dar area and remove the current idol and how it functions..</P> <P> </P>

[zjusti]

<div></div><div><blockquote><hr>GidionSWE wrote:<div></div> <p>imo what they should/could do imo...make pantrilla drop an item that is a 1 time use to zone the raid to harla dar area and remove the current idol and how it functions..</p> <hr></blockquote>Then 1 guild would go down and 2 group pantrilla instantly after it spawns.  Form up their raid and then zone in from there.  This would only make more drama.  Heck if your talking in terms of [Removed for Content] they would just destroy the item so noone could get in and hold down harla dar without ever having to engage it.</div><p>Message Edited by zjustin2 on <span class=date_text>04-13-2006</span> <span class=time_text>04:11 PM</span>

[Esar]

<DIV>well the worst nightmare has come true.  Now harla dar spawns as an NPC and you cannot attack her until pantrilla spawns.  So now, we'll have the entire server know when harla dar is up and once pantrilla spawns you'll see 100+ people in Temple of Scale.  This means more guild bickering and fighting and more GM petitions.  Good god.  Why didnt you guys just instanced this stupid zone instead of putting up a big broken bandaid on it?  This does not fix the situation.  You guys just created a huge ticking time bomb.</DIV><p>Message Edited by Esar on <span class=date_text>04-13-2006</span> <span class=time_text>08:16 PM</span>

[Sute]

you wont see me there, thats for sure. I dont want to get involved in all the [Removed for Content] convos.

[zjusti]

This is now the worst mob in the game,  may the training, KSing and ninja pulling begin.  If you thought this thread was too much drama wait for tomorrow morning.  [Removed for Content] is going to hit the fan on every server that sees harla dar.  Have the devs ever bothered to look at this encounter,  not the code but just watch the encounter unfold?  If you ever even attempted or seen this encounter attempted you know what is coming.  Just wait and see.JerobEternal ChaosBefallen Server<div></div>

[Miroh]

<FONT color=#ff0000><EM><STRONG>lol....this is what happens....</STRONG></EM></FONT>

[Gimmiso]

i dunno mir, looks like nobody is gonna say anything <span>:smileysurprised:</span>preety lame imo though, instance would have been the only way to insure that the others could all get their fair shot at the mob... big thumbs up devs!<div></div>

[Kazora]

<DIV>this mob needs to be either instanced or the encounter changed drastically. I am a huge fan of contested content but of all mobs THIS is the one you should instance sony. big big mistake</DIV>

[sunbeamt]

Well an option that can be doneLeaving the mob as is, however changing the requirements for the access and quests needed for this kill.<div></div>

[Miroh]

<FONT color=#ff0000><EM><STRONG> Just drop the wall lol....Don't have a portal..Just make it one contested.  Not this steping block style contested.  This change did nothing other than cause an over abondance of people to cluster in a zone, crash it, b**** back and forth, race, wipe.....oh wait...Nothing's changed other than the time frame on Killing Harla'Dar</STRONG></EM></FONT>

[sunbeamt]

So anyone determine if anything was changed?  <div></div>

[Gimmiso]

Harla Dar is now a non attackable npc until Pantrilla spawns and is killed, going into Harla Dars room before killing Pant is now pointless.<div></div>

[sunbeamt]

Interesting, so now we will have 3-4 guilds camping the idol room.  Question, if one guild kills the idol, can all use it to port up?<div></div>

[Miroh]

<DIV><FONT color=#ff0000><EM><STRONG> Anyone can zone over, whether they kill Pent or not, the question that remains is, How Many? </STRONG></EM></FONT></DIV>

[mkd1200]

<DIV>its april 19th and yet another update with stupid [expletive haxx0red by Raijinn] fixes....and still no change to harla dar.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>THANK YOU SONY</DIV>

[Gimmiso]

<div><blockquote><hr>mkd1200 wrote:<div>its april 19th and yet another update with stupid [expletive haxx0red by Raijinn] fixes....and still no change to harla dar.</div> <hr></blockquote><font color="#33ccff">If we have learned anything from these updates it is this: Just because Blackguard doesn't list it in his notes doesn't mean it wasn't changed. we will need to wait for someone to do the encounter.</font><font color="#33ccff"></font><font color="#33ccff"></font><font color="#33ccff">So yes, now there will be multiple guilds all in the same little area waiting for Pantrilla and the Idol.... doesn't matter who kills pant, in fact, If I was one of these guilds, I would rather not kill Pant becuase the time that they spend doing loot is more time for us to run up and get to Harla.... well sure it's fair.... if it wasn't, SOE wouldn't have allowed us to get here.</font><font color="#33ccff"></font><font color="#33ccff"><u><font color="#ff33ff">Recipe for Trouble</font><font color="#ff33ff"></font></u></font><font color="#ff33ff">1 part dungeon</font><font color="#ff33ff"></font><font color="#ff33ff">2 parts contested mob</font><font color="#ff33ff"></font><font color="#ff33ff">1 part Idol</font><font color="#ff33ff"></font><font color="#ff33ff">3 parts Guild</font><font color="#ff33ff"></font><font color="#ff33ff"></font><font color="#ff33ff">simmer with lag, stir briskly and viola! </font><font color="#ff33ff"></font><font color="#ff33ff"></font><font color="#ff33ff">A delicious drama cake with petition icing on top   </font><font color="#ff33ff"></font><font color="#ff33ff">mmmm mmmmm  good</font><font color="#33ccff"></font><font color="#33ccff"></font><font color="#33ccff"></font><font color="#33ccff">sorry soe, but i think this is going to make it worse, not better. we'll see.instance it.</font></div>

[Gaellen]

Imagine the petitions.  "We killed Pant so Harla is ours" /  "We got here first so Harla is ours". /random inc? Sigh. <div></div>

[Schmoogles]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Gaellen wrote:<BR>Imagine the petitions.  "We killed Pant so Harla is ours" /  "We got here first so Harla is ours".<BR><BR>/random inc?<BR><BR>Sigh.<BR> <BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE><BR>LOL that is already happening on servers !!!!   Not looking forward to that :smileysad:

[Dirtgirl]

<FONT color=#99ff99>Well don't worry about a roll from me. Unless we are shooting for the lowest #  that is.<BR>(of course in which case I would roll a 999.....)  =(</FONT>

[Gaellen]

<blockquote><hr>Schmoogles wrote:<div></div> <blockquote> <hr> Gaellen wrote:Imagine the petitions.  "We killed Pant so Harla is ours" /  "We got here first so Harla is ours"./random inc?Sigh. <div></div> <hr> </blockquote>LOL that is already happening on servers !!!!   Not looking forward to that :smileysad:<hr></blockquote>How do we decide who rolls?  What if somebody from our side rolls that we didn't authorize to roll?  What if he rolls bad and we say that?  What if we roll the same?  Is it best of 5?  Can we random amongst ourselves first to decide who's luckiest? I'm sorry.  Am I the only one who finds the whole thing completely idiotic?  Possibly more idiotic than it was before?<div></div>

[mkd1200]

<P>for god sake sony....i dont want to have to wait for LU23 or LU24 or the new expansion before this is taken care of.</P> <P> </P> <P>FIX THIS NOW!</P> <P>i know i am not the only one who feels this way......and every week that it isnt fixed is another week of guilds bickering, GM's being stupid, and people not wanting to play.</P> <P> </P> <P>do not ignore this any longer.....it can not possibly be that difficult to instance this encounter.</P> <P> </P>

[Mordacion]

<DIV>Optimal Scenario: Instance the dungeon and slap a 6 day timer on it. Bam, problem solved, no need for GMs forcing people to do ridiculous things like a /random. No more pointless drama on the boards. And, best of all, MORE CONTENT FOR ALL! I mean, for the love of God, we need more content...anyone who hasn't picked up on that by now, well, you need to poke your head out from under whatever rock you've been living under and take a look around.</DIV>

[sunbeamt]

Well here is something I do not understand.  If we look in DoF, the dragons that you needed for quest lines, etc could be spawned by giving them the right (silver or gold) dragon scale.What if they where to use something like that.  Get some collection items and spawn an NPC which in turn spawns to a killable Harla?However, very good point.  There is very little raid content at this time so make this a raid instance will solve a nice little problem that a lot of guilds are having.  <div></div>

[mkd1200]

<DIV>2 very good ideas, and i am sure there are a number of other ways to do it.  the point being is there are multiple acceptable solutions to this problem and i am sure they are working on it.  my problem is,  it prolly wont be till LU23 at the very earliest.  this to me is unaccpetable.  there is no reason that this requires that kind of time frame to solve.  the encounter has already been created, and it works fine.  can it really take that long to slap it into an instance or make any other change to it so these situations (which have been teh suck bomb) do not happen again.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>seriously now this should be top priority.     not alcohol effects wearing off when you zone.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>please get this taken care of,  and better yet could a dev please post on this subject.  (which they should, seen them post on way more insignificent topics)</DIV> <DIV> </DIV>

[Shakir10]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Dirtgirl wrote:<BR> <FONT color=#99ff99>Well don't worry about a roll from me. Unless we are shooting for the lowest #  that is.<BR>(of course in which case I would roll a 999.....)  =(</FONT><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE>ROFL Aint that the truth! Always roll low numbers till you need to roll a low number, then you roll the highest numbers hehe<BR>

[mkd1200]

<P>update for 4-20 more important stuff obviously</P> <P>*** Player-versus-Player ***<BR><BR>- The Warrior achievement Buckler Reversal will no longer disrupt the mentoring timer.<BR><BR><BR>*** Items ***<BR><BR>- The effect on Vilucidae's Shield of Thule has been modified.<BR>- Vilucidae's Ethereal Guard will now proc when a character takes damage rather than when they deflect.</P> <P>The EverQuest II Team</P> <P> </P> <P> </P> <P>^^this is of more importance?</P>

[sunbeamt]

Well I am not sure its that easy.  I am sure they need to do some work.  However, I do agree with you, I wish a dev would come and give us some info on the future of this mob....<div></div>

[SorynD]

<DIV><!--StartFragment --> *** Kingdom of Sky ***<BR><BR>- You can now find Harla Dar in an instance, accessed via a teleporter<BR>near Pantrilla. </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>This was posted in test server notes, not on test yet but looks like its set for next LU.</DIV>

[sunbeamt]

That is interesting.  Wonder if they will make it where Pantrilla is the contested mob.  Then as soon as guild A guilds the dragon they can zone up to the instance.  Or will it be a zone anyone can enter and it will have its own lock out....<div></div>

[Ratty31]

If the encounter remains the same inside the instance alot of people are going to have a hard time beating it with 24. I predict the complaints shift from "guilds are blocking us" to "harla dar is to hard".

[Gertack_v2]

Will be a nice change from all the complaints about things being too easy.<div></div>

[sunbeamt]

My feeling is, if you have harla dar all to yourself and not 3 other guilds breathing down ur next....its an improvement.  However, would need to know how they will instance it.  Will it be a mad race to kill Pan and the first guild to kill that dragon will have access, or can anyone enter?<div></div>