A better way ?

[Zeld]

<div></div><div>I have seen this tried but would like to know if theres a way besides bring like 40 people, yelling adds and trying to kill it ? Thanks !</div><div><img src="http://img463.imageshack.us/img463/7932/cheap5ou.jpg"></div>

[Edward Longshank]

<div></div>LOL, yes there is a better way. Get more skill and do it with one raid.

[Ligal]

<div></div>what mr.edward said^^^^^^^^^

[Ishbu]

<div></div><p>List of pathetic guilds:</p><p>Dark Prophecy</p><p>Banished</p>

[Warond]

You forgot Antonias Dragoons. <img src="/smilies/8a80c6485cd926be453217d59a84a888.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /><div></div>

[joe2sgirl]

makes me glad im Defiance <img src="/smilies/8a80c6485cd926be453217d59a84a888.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />Mani~ Buiser of DEFIANCE (see how they arent in that picture?)

[Caturyc]

<div>I am sure can be done with  24 people with out yelling and all smashing. Most raid guilds do not have 40 and I think that would take too much to gather all these people.</div>

[Ligal]

<div></div>try with 22

[Caturyc]

<div></div><blockquote><hr>Ligaluz wrote:<div></div>try with 22<hr></blockquote>Wow makes this one look like <em>OVERKILL</em>

[Warond]

Bah, let's wait until the encounter is green, then make posts on server boards bragging about how you tanked harla and all the adds at once !<div></div>

[Xri]

<div></div><p>Haha, I like that...but please next time present the whole picture, instead of the spin you are putting on it.</p><p> </p><p>Yes, it was more then a full raid, about 30 people to be exact, but it was also the first attempt as a test to see how much dps was needed, and how quickly things needed to die.  The rest of the people were Defiance watching.  Tactics?, I dunno, you guys haven't beat it yet either, and you seem to be the ones asking for the help on finding a better way <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /></p>

[Caturyc]

<div>"test to see how much dps was needed"--- Um how does bringing over 24 and yelling test that? Wouldn't it be best to try it like the way it was intended ?</div>

[CoaxMetal]

<div>Thanks for the publicity Mani, what a champ. Are you just mad that two guilds are joinly taking a crack at a foe or mad that Defiance didn't take it down with 30 of your own members the other night? Also, please train us more while we are on the way to Harla ... you'll have to do better than that. I know killing mendors so raids can not repair in areas, spamming tells, opening trade windows to healers in other raids and training mobs is normal protocol in Defiance these days but try to be original.</div><div> </div><div>Cruel</div><div> </div><div> </div><div> </div>

[Ishbu]

<div>Dont you "have to use players outside of raid" guilds have server forums to bicker on?</div>

[Xri]

<div></div><p>I would rather go to a war with too many soldiers then not enough when not knowing the strength of the enemy. <shrug></p><p> </p><p>Anyway, save your DP/Banished bashing for in game, or *sigh* if you must take it public, the server forums.  The Zones and Population section hardly seems like the proper place.</p><p> </p><p>Good luck with your fact finding mission, and see you in game <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /></p>

[Timber13]

<div>Needless to say that screenshot is hilarious. Made my day, thanks :p</div>

[La Drow sanguine]

<div>Omg lol 40ppl O_o</div><div> </div><div>Lag > you</div>

[UnHoly Shad]

"I have seen this tried but would like to know if theres a way besides bring like 40 people, yelling adds and trying to kill it ? Thanks !"He isn't bashing anyone O.o he just wants to know a better way!

[Anoixia]

<div>Ignoring all the guild hate, this is just a statement of a trend in the game.  The raid content is designed for 24 people, this fight and the Hurracuranis fight are easily beaten by having far more then the standard a lot ment of people.   Perhaps Harla Dar's room should be some sort of instancing limiting to 24 people (still contested, kind of like the ring event in SH that closes the door once a group starts it).  If people start consistantly trying to beat the zone with upwards of 24 people it could trigger a slippery slope of improperly scaled content.  Hurracuranus suffers from the same exploit as well as the Mutagenic Outcast.</div><div> </div><div>It is just very frustrating, is all.</div>

[Warond]

We didn't train you down there at all. You idiots ran into the middle of the hall, and picked up all those scaled gaurdian adds....By the time you finished killing them, Pantrilla was gone ;(<div></div>

[n0kn0k]

It's doable with 1 raid.Dunno if it's doable without yelling the adds though.Maybe we just lack the dps for it.Ishbu did you guys do it without yelling the adds?<div></div>

[Jonaroth]

oh its very doable with 1 raid, it can be done with like 16 people I think we had...<div></div>

[Anoixia]

<div>Not saying it can't be done with one raid... saying it should only be able to be done with 1 raid.</div>

[Kraks_Aforty]

<div><span><blockquote><hr>Jonaroth wrote:oh its very doable with 1 raid, it can be done with like 16 people I think we had...<div></div><hr></blockquote>This person is full of something</span></div>

[OneBadAli]

<div></div><blockquote><hr>Jonaroth wrote:oh its very doable with 1 raid, it can be done with like 16 people I think we had...<div></div><hr></blockquote>Can i have a bag of whatever your smoking? Must be some really good stuff...

[Shizzirri]

<div></div><p>Remember what happened when you tried to yell the Krathuk adds...Very bad thing.</p><p>The devs need to do something equilvalent to all these encounters, talendor, gore, Harla, etc etc. </p><p>Either that or instance the zone so you can only bring in 24.</p>

[KageMirai]

<div></div><blockquote><hr>Ishboozor wrote:<div></div><p>List of pathetic guilds:</p><p>Dark Prophecy</p><p>Banished</p><hr></blockquote>I don't think it's right for you to call people pathetic that you don't even know for trying something a certain way to see what was needed and how to do it.

[Vellek]

<div></div><blockquote><hr>Arnou wrote:<div>Ignoring all the guild hate, this is just a statement of a trend in the game.  The raid content is designed for 24 people, this fight and the Hurracuranis fight are easily beaten by having far more then the standard a lot ment of people.   Perhaps Harla Dar's room should be some sort of instancing limiting to 24 people (still contested, kind of like the ring event in SH that closes the door once a group starts it).  If people start consistantly trying to beat the zone with upwards of 24 people it could trigger a slippery slope of improperly scaled content.  Hurracuranus suffers from the same exploit as well as the Mutagenic Outcast.</div><div> </div><div>It is just very frustrating, is all.</div><hr></blockquote><p>Couldnt agree with you more. I feel the same way and made a similar post in the Talendor thread. While it would be nice to see raids of 24 attempt this content, since that is the way it was obviously intended, if the devs keep designing encounters like this (Harla Dar, Outcast, Hurricanus, Talendor), we will see a growing number of raids with 40+ players.</p><p>I wouldnt bash the guilds for trying this, it really isnt their fault. If their best shot at defeating the encounter is to take 40 people, and they have 40 people willing to do it, why wouldnt they? The fault lies with the devs on this one for designing these encounters.</p>

[espmrred]

<div></div><p>Going to go play devils advociate here, and ask this:</p><p>How was farming relics in labs "obviously intended" yet this isn't?</p>

[joe2sgirl]

Esp, who exactly said it was intended? obviously it wasnt since it was changed <img src="/smilies/8a80c6485cd926be453217d59a84a888.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />

[hoop]

<div></div><p>cuz it says 4X and that equals 24 people. Now if you wanna say well they are seperate encounters and argue that, well it would be a problem if a guild were to bring a full raid for every 4X in that room that would be about..... what are there 30 4X encounters excluding har ladar? So thats like 672 people. So if you wanna be a zerg guild do it right and bring that many peps <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />.</p><p> </p><p>hoopdee </p>

[Ishbu]

<div></div><blockquote><hr>KageMirai wrote:<div></div><blockquote><hr>Ishboozor wrote:<div></div><p>List of pathetic guilds:</p><p>Dark Prophecy</p><p>Banished</p><hr></blockquote>I don't think it's right for you to call people pathetic that you don't even know for trying something a certain way to see what was needed and how to do it.<hr></blockquote>I dont think its right for people to use more than 24 people on a x4 encounter.  If you do, your pathetic.  Grats on being pathetic.

[Balbaro]

<div></div><div><hr>Jonaroth wrote:oh its very doable with 1 raid, it can be done with like 16 people I think we had...<div></div><hr></div><p>people are like how its possible we see it all the time hapening on my server i posted a video a week ago about it and it got deleted by the moderators here and all comments about it as well, people are using numlock run tactic to pull her... all mobs that suposed to come to her rescue dont go as far as her and break and run back to their spawn point... u get the picture ?</p><p>my guild trying to do it using the actual teleporter to her lair and killing adds we were close but havent got it yet... also the idol leading to Harla Dar is not up often when she is... now peeps can pull her without goign thru idol  tell how we can compete with the numlock pull ? take 10x more times to clear the mobs around her and do it like it was intended</p><p>oh and dont worry the guilds that are doing it will keep on doing they cant or wont do a thing about it <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /></p><p>                                                 G rats to thoses who did it like it was intended <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /></p><p> </p><p>Message Edited by Balbaroth on <span class="date_text">03-29-2006</span><span class="time_text">08:40 PM</span></p>

[Schaestm]

<div>Well that was an entertaining read.  I would say if this was meant to be done with 24 peple, it would have been instanced.  So if some guilds decide to get together so that everyone can get the deathtoll access quest update, why shouldn't they?  It is contested, and it seems that the guilds that are unwilling to help others, incapable of defeating this on their own, and also unpleasant enough that they can't get anyone to help them, are scared that other guilds just might get the chance to experience content that they would gleefully prevent them from experiencing if they were capable of doing so.  I <em>almost</em> feel sorry for you.</div><div> </div><div> </div><div>~Morb</div>

[ChaosUndivided]

<div></div><blockquote><hr>Schaestmos wrote:<div>Well that was an entertaining read.  I would say if this was meant to be done with 24 peple, it would have been instanced.  So if some guilds decide to get together so that everyone can get the deathtoll access quest update, why shouldn't they?  It is contested, and it seems that the guilds that are unwilling to help others, incapable of defeating this on their own, and also unpleasant enough that they can't get anyone to help them, are scared that other guilds just might get the chance to experience content that they would gleefully prevent them from experiencing if they were capable of doing so.  I <em>almost</em> feel sorry for you.</div><div> </div><div> </div><div>~Morb</div><hr></blockquote><p>So by that logic every contested should be explotied in some manner to be done by more than 24 people right? because it's intended otherwise it would be instanced right?</p><p>Wake up man, it's not instanced because it is CONTESTED, not because it should be done with more than 1 raid.</p>

[Schaestm]

<div>If they intended Harla Dar and all the adds to be fought with one raid only, they would have made it instanced, or had all the adds spawn when the mob was engaged.</div><div> </div><div>~Morb</div>

[ChaosUndivided]

<div></div><blockquote><hr>Schaestmos wrote:<div>If they intended Harla Dar and all the adds to be fought with one raid only, they would have made it instanced, or had all the adds spawn when the mob was engaged.</div><div> </div><div>~Morb</div><hr></blockquote><p>And if the adds all spawned when she was engaged how do you propose anyone would fight her? Hello Mcfly.</p><p>And again, it's not instanced because it is contested, not because they intend it to be fought with more than 1 raid.</p><p>It is doable with 1 raid and should be done with 1 raid.</p>

[Schaestm]

<div></div><div>Or they could have all adds and Harla Dar auto engage when you fight one, not necessarily attack you just lock onto you without moving, and yelling would break all encounters and make the adds already killed respawn.  There's easy ways to force this to be done with 1 raid.  SOE simply didn't decide to do so.</div><div> </div><div>~Morb</div>

[Caturyc]

<div></div><p>"So if some guilds decide to get together so that everyone can get the deathtoll access quest update"</p><p>Um yous had 40 people there <em>ONLY</em> 24 would get update but good try on making it seem like a noble plan. It IS made for 24 people to kill .</p>

[Schaestm]

<div><p>To Caturyc, this is going on the assumption that only 1 person needs access to deathtoll to zone in a raid.  So yes, the main raid actually fighting Harla Dar would have representatives from all guilds involved.</p><p>~Morb</p></div>

[electricninjasex]

<span><blockquote><hr>Kraks_Aforty wrote:<div><span><blockquote><hr>Jonaroth wrote:oh its very doable with 1 raid, it can be done with like 16 people I think we had...<div></div><hr></blockquote>This person is full of something</span></div><hr></blockquote></span>Do we get multiple choice?