x4 Bonemire Crystal Mobs [ Please Revise ]

[Kazora]

These mobs are interesting, but they need a few tweaks to fix some very serious issues.First of all, these mobs are far too easy for the level of loot that they drop. These are easily 1.5-2 grouped.Also, they can be respawned over and over for very ugly griefing. Today, a guild on Befallen respawned the crystals about 15-20 times on us when we got them down to 5-10%. The first few times we wiped, but in the end we just ended up chain pulling them for hours (about 20+ kills).To prevent obvious griefing, please make it so spawning the crystals locks them to you. Make the crystals despawn after wipe, so that an item is required for each pull. Also, please make these mobs much harder than they are. These should not be 1-2 groupable (x4) for the high quality of loot they drop.Thanks for reading my concerns.<div></div>

[Godzmodi]

Ya I personally LOVED! it when WE spawned the mob, THEY stole it. they wiped we took it to 10% and then they reset it, then pulled it again and got it to 10% and they reset it, then pulled it again and got it to 10% and they reset it, then pulled it again and got it to 10% and they reset it, then pulled it again and got it to 10% and they reset it... which goes on for quite sometime. sony please fix this. Its stupid that guilds with no class can screw over others so bad.<div></div>

[Esar]

<div></div><div></div><div></div><p>This is what happened with exact details.</p><p>We spawned the bearer of crux, and the other guild on befallen pulled the mob.  They wiped.  We pulled we wiped.  They pulled again and they wiped.  This time when we pulled we were more ready and was about to kill the mob.  At 5% of the bearer of crux's life they put another adamantine heart into the cube and make the mob respawn, resetting ours.  They pull the mob again, they wipe.  We pull bearer of crux and get it down to 5% again, and they insert another heart and respawn the mob.  They pull the mob yet again and wipe.  This happened literally over 10-15 times until they finally ran out of hearts off their inventory and off the broker and we killed it.  This took 2 hours b/c of that other guild.  Evidently their officers call this working as intended.  I talked to their officers to stop their bull[expletive haxx0red by Raijinn] and they replied "sorry, this game is working as intended".  Can we get these crystals to NOT respawn the mobs once they are already up.  And also when you insert the items can you have it AUTOLOCK on the raid that spawned the mob. </p><p>Esar</p><p>Message Edited by Esar on <span class="date_text">03-22-2006</span><span class="time_text">03:42 AM</span></p>

[Kazora]

<div></div><p>the main points for sony to make note of are:</p><p> </p><p>1) person who spawns the mob should have the encounter AUTO-LOCK onto them. That way another guild cant wait around for someone else to spawn and grab the mob, which happened to our guild</p><p>2) Once the mob is up PLEASE DISSALOW THE CUBE FROM SPAWNING THAT SAME MOB AGAIN, as this allows one to respawn that mob even if others have it engaged</p>

[Fahrenheig]

This was just rediculous.  Our guild spent a good few hours continously fighting the same raid mob over and over due to that fact that a rival guild simply had enough of the spawn items to reset the named several times....  This kind of harrasement should not be tolerated by soe yet our petitions were simply shruged off moments after they were made, WHILE the harrasement was going on.  The previous statement in this thread would be easy an easy fix for sony to impliment and I hope our concerns are taken serisously.<div></div>

[Poops]

<div></div><p>No one should have wiped to those mobs in the first place.  But yeah that sounds really ridiculous, and totally characteristic of some ppl in this game.  There should be some sort of way to fix it so the cube is disabled while one of the mobs are up.</p><p> </p>

[Ama]

<div>Unfortunately the best thing for this maybe to make it in an enclosed area above Bonemire or in a pit type deal.  When you complete the event you get booted back to the main island and a shield forms over the cube where you cannot enter if you have killed a monster.  </div><div> </div><div>This may cause alot of people to become upset but I do think it needs to be done since we got those babies out there doing that BS that people are illustrating.  O and to the guy who said that guild kept resetting the monster when you had him at 10% I hope you reported that guild for harrassement.  That is totally bullying you into leaving your spot which needs to end all those people should be slapped around.</div>

[espmrred]

<div></div><p>Wasn't at this particular event last night -- but soe doesn't do **** about guild harassment.</p><p>These are the same guys who after the server merge and we pulled Barakah decieded to do everything they could to lag us (ie sitting on MT with their entire raid force using the veteran reward fireworks)</p>

[KBern]

<div></div><p>People are such greedy [Removed for Content].</p><p>Please fix this SOE if the above are correct, that is pretty dang ridiculous to have it work that.</p><p>Contested is fine, but being able to despawn someone's mob in the middle of combat is utterly pathetic and I cannot coprehend that this is "working as intended."</p>

[Shakir10]

<div>This is just nuts. Are in game Customer Service people able to track stuff like this? As in, are they able to see when stones were put in a cube, and how long between each stone entry? Can they see if the mob was killed before a new stone was placed in the cube?</div><div> </div><div>I hope so. and I hope they can see who did it.</div>

[Gimmiso]

Yes, they can see everything, all the way down to what you looted 3 months ago. Their logs are very extensive. The problem is that not a single CSR or GM is willing to help or capable of doing their job. This is a serious issue that needs to be fixed, but that doesn't seem to matter to SOE anymore.<div></div>

[Schmoogles]

<div></div>guess that part was over looked when they designed it I guess.  Well if someone is trying this mob with less then two groups I can see how it can pose a challenge for someone.   Doesn't help you have a guild reseting it on you at 5%.   (glad they didn't end up with it either, that just stupid of them do to that in the first place) 

[Daelomd]

Sorry to hear that this happened to you guys.Unfortunantly I think the Devs almost intended for this kinda of crap and bickering between guilds in this expansion.<u>Instance Raid Zones:</u>Lab of VyemmDeathtoll? (Which unless your NPU you have to kill 3 contested Dragons to get into)<u>Contested Raid Zones/Mobs:</u>Temple of ScaleAssent of the AwakeningSanctum of Scaleborn (backside)The Monolith MobsNumerous "Contested" Epic mobs through the zones<u>Group Contested Stuff:</u>Palace of the AwakeningSanctum of Scale BornRing Events like the SkyWatcherNumerous Quests mobs like the Silent GuardianEven the Live Event that lead up to KoS was designed in such a manner to set guilds at each others throats... I don't know perhaps the Devs who worked on KoS were a little to exited about the PvP servers when they designed all of this contested crap were it is possible to screw people over.Basically at this point any raiding guild gets to have one peacefull night a week raiding the Labs, and the rest of the time they are going to have to fight with other guilds and put up with cheap griefing like what was described above.  It would be completely different if we were on a PvP server where someone or some guild rolling with grief tactics could be properly trounced on... but thats just not the case here.<div></div>

[pczry]

<span><blockquote><hr>Esar wrote:<div></div><div></div><div></div><p>This is what happened with exact details.</p><p>We spawned the bearer of crux, and the other guild on befallen pulled the mob.  They wiped.  We pulled we wiped.  They pulled again and they wiped.  This time when we pulled we were more ready and was about to kill the mob.  At 5% of the bearer of crux's life they put another adamantine heart into the cube and make the mob respawn, resetting ours.  They pull the mob again, they wipe.  We pull bearer of crux and get it down to 5% again, and they insert another heart and respawn the mob.  They pull the mob yet again and wipe.  This happened literally over 10-15 times until they finally ran out of hearts off their inventory and off the broker and we killed it.  This took 2 hours b/c of that other guild.  Evidently their officers call this working as intended.  I talked to their officers to stop their bull[expletive haxx0red by Raijinn] and they replied "sorry, this game is working as intended".  Can we get these crystals to NOT respawn the mobs once they are already up.  And also when you insert the items can you have it AUTOLOCK on the raid that spawned the mob. </p><p>Esar</p><p>Message Edited by Esar on <span class="date_text">03-22-2006</span><span class="time_text">03:42 AM</span></p><hr></blockquote>what a bunch of horse crap.  working as intended my [expletive haxx0red by Raijinn], keep using that as an excuse to hate on us ss.</span><div></div>

[Locust]

This will be fixed in the Live Update. No, I do not approve of guilds being jerks and if they continue to find ways to do so, I will put in more measures to stop it.<div></div>

[Wabit]

<div></div>how did 2 raids wipe to those???  sucks to have em reset like that though...

[Gimmiso]

well wabit, i think "raids" in this case is actually more like 10 people =/<div></div>

[Esar]

<div></div><blockquote><hr>Wabit wrote:<div></div>how did 2 raids wipe to those???  sucks to have em reset like that though...<hr></blockquote>We only had 11 people, and some of us were playing 2 healers etc.  The other guild i dont know, but they sure did a good job of interrupting our late raid.

[Esar]

<div></div><div></div><div></div><blockquote><hr>EarLocust wrote:This will be fixed in the Live Update. No, I do not approve of guilds being jerks and if they continue to find ways to do so, I will put in more measures to stop it.<div></div><hr></blockquote>Well here's the thing that really frustrates me.  I use the petition system to report the harrassment.  The GM and CSR dont do anything about it.  The first petition i sent in they closed it WHILE the harrassment was occuring.  The second petition after the ordeal ended, stated there's no proof when evidently there is proof as you can see the devs are posting about it.  I post on the forums the mods lock the threads and tell me to go petition it in game.  I mean what am i suppose to do.  I petition GMs dont do anything, then i post of the forums mods lock it and tell me to go back to the petition system.  Well anyways i'm dealing this with direct PMs now.  The petition and forum systems are so efficient. Its incredibly frustrating.<p>Message Edited by Esar on <span class="date_text">03-22-2006</span><span class="time_text">10:59 AM</span></p>

[Slaughterda]

Ok i think that it is good that yo are going to address thisin a live update but whats no are you talking about it does not say in your post is this osome thing that will be in 21 or like 27,28 like 6 months from now?I was at this mob last night and for about 90 mins or better it went on and on not tom ention ya htis mob is a cake walk with 4 groups but with less than two it can get a little long in the tooth if some [Removed for Content] keep resetting it on you.<div></div>

[Kazora]

The fact that this ended with us basically chain-pulling an x4 encounter with 9 people, most of whom were boxed, says worlds about the difficulty here. We got the best shaman pants i've seen so far int he game, and I know the loot off the other crystals is as comperable if not better. Please make this mob take 24 people and make the changes we suggested earlier, which include, 1) autolocking the encounter to whoever placed teh item (to prevent stealing), and 2) make it so the mob despawns after the raid who summoned it wipes.Thanks earlocust its really reassuring to see you guys so supportive of a fair and fun play environment<div></div>

[Sute]

<div></div><p>hah SS making more friends I see <img src="/smilies/283a16da79f3aa23fe1025c96295f04f.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /></p><p>If these x4 mobs are so easy why not just despawn them till they are fixed to a standard of a challange and the fixes you have in store for them. Seems like broken stuff to me.</p>

[Ishbu]

<div></div><div></div><blockquote><hr>EarLocust wrote:This will be fixed in the Live Update. No, I do not approve of guilds being jerks and if they continue to find ways to do so, I will put in more measures to stop it.<div></div><hr></blockquote><p>No disrespect intented, but if you made these encounters at least at the difficulty of say an epicx3 that would solve half the problems.  The only other thing that needs to be addressed is that the monolith should despawn and dissapear after opening up to spawn the mob.  That way clicking the cube and/or inserting another item would do nothing.</p><p>Seriously though, these need a boost in difficulty majorly.  We routinely take these out with less than 1 group.  We have had my pet tank them with only one healer.  There should never be an epicx4 mob that cons white that is so easy.</p><p>EDIT - rework the loot on the Umbral guy too please.  I dont need to see any more azure umbrage sabatons, penumbral spears, or cabalist armguards that arent even tradeable.</p><p>Message Edited by Ishboozor on <span class="date_text">03-22-2006</span><span class="time_text">12:18 PM</span></p>

[Somna]

<span><blockquote><hr>EarLocust wrote:This will be fixed in the Live Update. No, I do not approve of guilds being jerks and if they continue to find ways to do so, I will put in more measures to stop it.<div></div><hr></blockquote>Thank you!It was quite infuriating to hear that people were claiming it was "working as intended" and that a GM--who WAS on at the time it was occuring--was simply closing the petition stating that there was no evidence without even popping into the zone to wait at least a few minutes verify that it was in progress.  (How exactly <b>would</b> you /report something like that effectively anyway?)  It's very relieving to hear that this is not the case and quite gratifying to find out that this is considered important enough to fix as soon as possible.  I know I appreciate the promptness of the response from you guys--once it manages to get to you.</span><div></div>

[Rathi]

<div></div><div></div><div></div><div></div><div>Kazora, You are comical.  20+ kills...your kidding me.  We had 4 hearts.  Youwiped the other 15 times you [expletive haxx0red by Raijinn]ing noob.  Don't blame us for you wiping the other 15 times.</div><div> </div><div> </div><div>EDIT:  btw, no ammount of coin was spent on you to give you guys a much needed challenge, trust me, your not worth it.  But if it makes the story better, feel free to continue.  Makes for better reading i suppose.</div><p>Message Edited by Rathi04 on <span class="date_text">03-22-2006</span><span class="time_text">01:31 PM</span></p><p>Message Edited by Rathi04 on <span class="date_text">03-22-2006</span><span class="time_text">01:40 PM</span></p><p>Message Edited by Rathi04 on <span class="date_text">03-22-2006</span><span class="time_text">01:42 PM</span></p>

[Kazora]

<div>lol it was way more than 4 hearts you put in, but im sure the other attempts were merely working as intended. We wiped twice too, far less than you fellas.  but i guess all those account bannings are working as intended too. If I were you guys i'd stop bringing this topic up/making posts/replies because you have no leg to stand on. So you got [Removed for Content] and made some immature decisiions in your desperation to get some [Removed for Content] mobs. Now you're goingto get defensive after you get called out on it? so sad</div>

[Kazora]

<div>rathi you should get your story consistent with some of your other, more mature members then, people who were sending us tells letting us know you were heading to the broker again to get more hearts. the same person told us you were on the last heart and to kill it fast before you could get more, and indeed we ended up killing it that time, so he seems trustworthy to me,</div>

[Rathi]

<div></div><div>Again, i suppose it makes for better reading.</div><p>Message Edited by Rathi04 on <span class="date_text">03-22-2006</span><span class="time_text">02:04 PM</span></p>

[Sute]

<div></div>Well "someone" bought a heart from my alt last night while offline. Thanks for the gold guys..priceless.

[TanRaistlyn]

<div></div>I hope they ban all the accounts of the people involved.  Not the first and deff. not the last time those people are going to ruin this game for others.  Id love to see SS trying to refill their ranks after it too, as they continue to give themselves the worst rep on the server.

[Sute]

<div></div>The Server? Hell go for the whole game...you may as well

[Esar]

<div></div><div></div><blockquote><hr>Rathi04 wrote:<div></div><div></div><div></div><div></div><div>Kazora, You are comical.  20+ kills...your kidding me.  We had 4 hearts.  Youwiped the other 15 times you [expletive haxx0red by Raijinn]ing noob.  Don't blame us for you wiping the other 15 times.</div><div> </div><div> </div><div>EDIT:  btw, no ammount of coin was spent on you to give you guys a much needed challenge, trust me, your not worth it.  But if it makes the story better, feel free to continue.  Makes for better reading i suppose.<hr></div></blockquote><p>OMG HAHAHA.  we wiped 15 times.  you sure you're not the ones who wiped 15 times?  Too bad you didnt know someone in your guild was actually telling us you guys were buying adamantine hearts off the broker and telling us EXACTLY when you ran out of hearts and kill the mob.</p><p>Ok so you admit you guys did it 4 times?  Well 4 times 15 times 100 times doesnt make the situation right.  You broke our engaged encounter to steal our mob and then wiped.  You guys got in trouble for it.  Have a nice day.</p><p>Message Edited by Esar on <span class="date_text">03-22-2006</span><span class="time_text">03:56 PM</span></p>

[Sute]

<div></div>Once i can kinda understand...twice, well maybe. three times, you're knowing what you're doing. FOUR times..well thats plain old harrasment.

[Ever-Befallen]

<div></div><div>Theres two sides to every story, but I'm guessing the rest won't come out to ruin your "good" server rep.</div><div>I bet that had to suck every time you had to bot your 3-4 characters back after wiping.</div><div>Nice exaggerating, though.</div><p>Message Edited by Ever-Befallen on <span class="date_text">03-22-2006</span><span class="time_text">07:53 PM</span></p>

[TanRaistlyn]

<div></div><p>So because EC duel boxes 2 or 3 extra toons, you thought it would only be fair to break their engagement and try to steal their mobs???  And you act like this is the first time SS has done things completely unnecessary, like sitting on another guilds MT casting fireworks trying to LD him... </p><p>This is a constant problem with SS guildies and I hope SOE finally takes steps to eliminate those players.</p>

[Kazora]

<div>haha 2 sides? lets hear the other side man, seriously. I cant believe you guys feel the need to post and just look more and more pathetic on this issue. But hopefully if i keep posting i can squeeze some more out of you. given your post count it shouldnt be too difficult</div>

[Ever-Befallen]

<div></div><blockquote><hr>TanRaistlyn wrote:<div></div><p>So because EC duel boxes 2 or 3 extra toons, you thought it would only be fair to break their engagement and try to steal their mobs???  And you act like this is the first time SS has done things completely unnecessary, like sitting on another guilds MT casting fireworks trying to LD him... </p><p>This is a constant problem with SS guildies and I hope SOE finally takes steps to eliminate those players.</p><hr></blockquote>Your assuming .. I never said the latter, I said it must have sucked when they WIPED, you know .. when their tank and/or Esar rushed it, ran in and got two shotted.  They were wiping, several times, most likely due to rushing, though they waited 5 minutes before pulling and still wiped.  And you can't eliminate a whole guild, just because they wear the tag.  Just because it says <Shadowed Strife> doesn't mean anything, and your just ASSuming things.

[Kazora]

<div></div><div>your attempt to sidetrack is hilarious. no one cares that we wiped, or that you wiped even more. the issue at hand is that you blatantly put hearts in to reset the mob on us while we fought, multiple times, which is what brought dev attention in the form of multiple posts AND is the reason why everyone whos not in SS is saying stuff like "this is typical" or "im not surprised" or basically mocking everything your guild's name is about.</div>

[Esar]

<div></div><blockquote><hr>Ever-Befallen wrote:<div></div><blockquote><hr>TanRaistlyn wrote:<div></div><p>So because EC duel boxes 2 or 3 extra toons, you thought it would only be fair to break their engagement and try to steal their mobs???  And you act like this is the first time SS has done things completely unnecessary, like sitting on another guilds MT casting fireworks trying to LD him... </p><p>This is a constant problem with SS guildies and I hope SOE finally takes steps to eliminate those players.</p><hr></blockquote>Your assuming .. I never said the latter, I said it must have sucked when they WIPED, you know .. when their tank and/or Esar rushed it, ran in and got two shotted.  They were wiping, several times, most likely due to rushing, though they waited 5 minutes before pulling and still wiped.  And you can't eliminate a whole guild, just because they wear the tag.  Just because it says doesn't mean anything, and your just ASSuming things.<hr>Assuming what?  This isnt about who wiped.  This is about you guys despawning the mob on purpose and getting in trouble over it.  Grow up.  Next time dont be stupid and bother other guilds.</blockquote><p> </p>

[Oakum]

<div>I agree that this behavior is bad for the game and changes should  be made to not make it possible. GM's should treat any one who does it with the first you get a warning then a ban like all the other "bad" things like the unacceptable language in chats, purposely training to cause a wipe ect. I played UO a while and left due to the PKer/corpse theives that would makes hours of work dissappear. Making a game mechanic that would make it impossible would remove the workload from the GM's and the excuse that because the current mechanics allow it, its working as intended. I don't think a whole guild, no matter what their reputation may be should be held accountable though. Only those actively involved with the griefing. Losing a couple of groups of high level players would be punishment enough to a guild to "encourage" it to emphasize to its members to play nice. This is supposed to be equaly applied, I thought anyway, by the GM's in these type situations.</div><div> </div><div> If no GM answered when it was reported it could do with the time it happened. It was about 3 in the morning CST US so there is usually less players on  then, therefore less GM's, therefore they could be easily be swamped by a sudden inrush of CSR's. Then again, maybe their just are not enought of them working then. Thats Sony's place to decide though, not ours. Of course if the one small raid had let the other finish its kill, then the first raid stepped back and let the other do its kill, and took turns killing/wiping (since by the sound of it it doesnt have a respawn timer) then there would be a lot less need for GM's in general. .</div><div> </div><div> I happened to watch part of it but didnt realize what exactly was going on. lol. Seen one guild get it almost dead, watched it respawn, then the other wipe on it, then another time Esar's small raid had it to under 10 percent and then it disappeared and it reappeared by the bones at full health and power. Must have been when the other raid reset it. Of course I thought it was just the mob design, lol. I was more interested in looking for the HQ items and then killing the named solo ravasect so I didnt hang around to watch the whole thing though.</div><div> </div><div>I like the idea of the mob is locked to the raid that spawned it. Then if it was spawned by another guild a new mob would spawn and the other guild could have its chance too. It should despawn if they wipe though so as not to interfere with the other raid.  Just my 2c on an equitable solution to prevent future childishness by/between people.</div><div> </div><div> </div>

[Ever-Befallen]

<div></div><blockquote><p></p><hr><p>Esar wrote:</p><p>Assuming what?  This isnt about who wiped.  This is about you guys despawning the mob on purpose and getting in trouble over it.  Grow up.  Next time dont be stupid and bother other guilds</p><p></p><hr></blockquote>I tanked a mob that was popped on me.  I did what a guardian does : tank.

[Kazora]

<div></div><div><blockquote><hr>Ever-Befallen wrote:<div></div><blockquote><p></p><hr><p>Esar wrote:</p><p>Assuming what?  This isnt about who wiped.  This is about you guys despawning the mob on purpose and getting in trouble over it.  Grow up.  Next time dont be stupid and bother other guilds</p><p></p><hr></blockquote><p>I tanked a mob that was popped on me.  I did what a guardian does : tank.</p><hr><p> </p><p>what does your response have to do with what esar said?  keep talking away man , hey yo dont forget ec wiped 50 times with 24 boxed toons!</p></blockquote></div>

[Sute]

<div></div><p>Ever, i dont really know you that well, but, i thought you were pretty cool. I guess i was mistaken. What ever happenes to people who join guilds that dont always act in a good way, people kinda get corrupt i guess.</p><p>Sigh.</p>

[Ever-Befallen]

<div>I'm just making one final post on the situation.  My name was brought up in the whole mess, and I still don't see what I did wrong.  I did my job, I tanked.  Whatever else may or may not have happened, has nothing to do with me as I did just what I was suppose to do, tank.  I was standing there, then suddenly a mob was popped on my head, what am I suppose to do? Look, yell, and attempt to train like some others?  No, I tried to do what my class does : tank.  If laughing when EC wiped, and had to box (Insert whatever word you so choose) their way back is wrong, then I guess that's all I'm guilty of.</div>

[Kazora]

<div></div><div>yep he thinks by feigning ignorance hes absolving himself of all guilt.</div><div> </div><div>Standing by the crystal waiting for us to put an item in, yea im really sure you were surprised when it spawned. And you certainly didnt do your job very well, considering how many times you died and wiped. Even sidetracking the issue you look like a fool, bringing attention to the fact others wiped when you wiped and did even poorer yourself, considering that we ended up killing it. Although we too got a good laugh as you guys repeatedly pulled and wiped very quickly. And then when your "leader" Delvo ran out of hearts and tried to keep the eye aggro while you guys ran back, training it all over the isle,  that was a good bellylaugh as well. </div><div> </div><div>You guys attempted to screw us over by KS'ing the mob when we spawned it and you ended up wiping multiple times, with nothing to show for it except a lot fewer adamantine hearts. I guess your only consolation is you ended up extending the night for both guilds, if thats consolation?  I didnt want to spell out how thoroughly your guild got embarassed last night, i was more concerned with getting the crystals fixed, but your posts just brought it out of me.</div><div> </div><div> I cant believe you can even bear to post in these threads after how ridiculous all of you looked last night. Theres a reason many of your members are leaving or quitting, because of immature individuals such as yourself, who cant even admit to your own actions.  Case closed, peopel were suspended, commit similar actions again and im sure some harsher penalties will follow. It's a shame really that you werent banned, maybe the "im just a tank" routine worked on the GMs, but no oone else believes it. Continue to mull about with non-sequiteur statements and silliness if you want.  Nut up, admit a mistake was made like others in your guild have done, and im sure everyone would want to move on. But continue to make imbecilic comments and ruin your rep further with the server, not that theres much left to ruin.</div><p>Message Edited by rozakk on <span class="date_text">03-23-2006</span><span class="time_text">02:45 AM</span></p>

[Tudd]

<div></div><span><blockquote><hr>Ever-Befallen wrote:<div>I'm just making one final post on the situation.  My name was brought up in the whole mess, and I still don't see what I did wrong.  I did my job, I tanked.  Whatever else may or may not have happened, has nothing to do with me as I did just what I was suppose to do, tank.  I was standing there, then suddenly a mob was popped on my head, what am I suppose to do? Look, yell, and attempt to train like some others?  No, I tried to do what my class does : tank.  If laughing when EC wiped, and had to box (Insert whatever word you so choose) their way back is wrong, then I guess that's all I'm guilty of.</div><hr></blockquote>Pretty pathetic actually. Since you were "just tanking" that means you knew where to stand, and when the mob would be spawned. Which means you were well aware of the actions your raid was involved in. At the very least, it shows through your actions that you condoned and were complicit with the griefing behavior. As such, yourself and other members should be prepared to face the scorn of other players and potentially other consequences. I would hazard to say you are guilty of a good deal more then mere enjoyment of another's misfortunes.You might want to read the EULA again before you log in, and be aware of this portion of it:</span>6. We may terminate this Agreement (including your Software license and your Account) and/or suspend your Account immediately and without notice: (i) if you violate any provision of this Agreement; (ii) infringe any third party intellectual property rights; (iii) if we are unable to verify or authenticate any information you provide to us; <font color="#ff0000"><b>(iv) upon game play, chat or any player activity whatsoever which we, in our sole discretion, determine is inappropriate and/or in violation of the spirit of the Game</b></font>; (v) upon any violation of the Station Terms of Service and/or the Game Rules of Conduct and/or (vi) upon any violation of the Exchange Agreement. If we terminate this Agreement or suspend your Account under these circumstances, you will lose access to your Account for the duration of the suspension and/or the balance of any prepaid period without any refund. We may also terminate this Agreement if we decide, in our sole discretion, to discontinue offering the Game, in which case we may provide you with a prorated refund of any prepaid amounts.Bold and red emphasis mine. The EULA specifically states SOE's broad and unilateral rights in determination of inappropriate behavior and associated penalties. If you continue behavior that is deemed to be detrimental and egregious to fellow players, you can probably expect such action sooner rather then later. Lames excuses notwithstanding.<div></div><p>Message Edited by Tuddar on <span class="date_text">03-23-2006</span><span class="time_text">10:16 AM</span></p>

[Schmoogles]

<div></div>very well put Tuddar !! 

[Esar]

<div></div><blockquote><hr>Ever-Befallen wrote:<div>I'm just making one final post on the situation.  My name was brought up in the whole mess, and I still don't see what I did wrong.  I did my job, I tanked.  Whatever else may or may not have happened, has nothing to do with me as I did just what I was suppose to do, tank.  I was standing there, then suddenly a mob was popped on my head, what am I suppose to do? Look, yell, and attempt to train like some others?  No, I tried to do what my class does : tank.  If laughing when EC wiped, and had to box (Insert whatever word you so choose) their way back is wrong, then I guess that's all I'm guilty of.</div><hr></blockquote>I guess you forgot the part when you /ooc WTB Adamantine hearts. Will pay more than Esar.  If i were you i would just stop talking/  You just  making yourself look like a total [Removed for Content].

[Sute]

<div></div><p>What gets me is this. People say they have nothing to do with the actions of one or two of the guild. Well when it is happening and you KNOW its happening you have a few choices before you.</p><p>1, Sit there and watch it unfold (if you do this you do have something to do with it)</p><p>2, leave the raid and/or zone and not have anything to do with it.</p><p>3, let the people in question know to stop it and tell them what kind of <insert name here> they are.</p><p>What you did and everyone else pretty much did was sit and laugh about it in your own little ways.</p><p>So yes, you and everyone in SS who was there that night had something to do with it.</p><p>I can tell you right now, if that crap was going on in Fallen and i was there i can tell you right now that 1, i would be shouting in vent about it and for it to stop 2, leave the raid and/or zone. 3, tell the other guild in question that i did so.</p><p>Just cos you have <guild name> over your head does not mean that you have to put up with something thats totaly screwing other players over.</p>

[Gaellen]

<3 Sutex.<div></div>

[Kazora]

Back to a more important point, please make these mobs much much harder. These mobs drop loot better than most contested/zones in the game, and they are easily 5-mannable and spawn very regularly (very predictable spawns)Please make these take a full four groups, lock onto the raid after the item is placed, and despawn after a failed attempt. These mobs are cool, but they need some <i>serious </i>adjustments to balance the risk-reward in KoS. It is very frustrating to farm Ascent for weeks with 24 people and come out with loot much worse than stuff one groupable off regularly spawned mobs.<div></div>

[seistaan1]

<div></div><p>Sutex hit the nail on the head.</p><p> </p><p> </p>

[Pitt Hammerfi]

<div></div><blockquote><hr>EarLocust wrote:This will be fixed in the Live Update. No, I do not approve of guilds being jerks and if they continue to find ways to do so, I will put in more measures to stop it.<div></div><hr></blockquote><p>How did you bloody well expect people to behave ?  you make it so these things are contested, drop uber loot and spawn once every blue moon ?</p><p>we havent even seen the crystals yet due to camping, and we have about 200 peices of the legendary junk drops in our guild.</p><p> </p><p>nice design...</p>

[kyth]

   i would love to see the loot improved on these mobs and also the difficulty.  Same with Ghazi...<div></div>

[Pitt Hammerfi]

<div>i really hope these crystals dont spawn on an exact timer, because i havent seen them for a while now, im wondering if a guild has worked out the exact time they spawn, or if the devs have removed them to fix ?</div>

[Spite]

<div>they are on an exact timer.</div>