Hmm ... clever plot by SoE or just a mistake again?

[Benboe]

Heyhey,ater reading an article ehre about some bodyloot in TT being worth 14G 40 S I decided to give it a look and try <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /> ... went to Fear Tained isle and found it "occupied" - by ALL known "bots" (to accurate only a few may be bots, most will be asian platfarmers aka IGE) on our Server. Really all. I mean ALL I ever heard about. A total of 25 players.So I started to annoy them a bit <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /> ... Killed my share or these beasts, got my share of the bodyloot. Been tried to be trained upon, spammed with invites, spammed with duelinvites,....And while sitting there I had an idea - could that be a clever plot (via serverlogs) to see who hands in trmendous amounts of stomachs to get rid of the bot population once and for all? Or is the ultimate goal to set up a "safeheaven" for bots so that they do not annoy the "legit" players anymore?What do u think about this? Have u perhpas /petitioned the nameless, guildless, mindless peeps on the isle? Do u approve of the idea to have one spot to gather them all?Oovaan, 68 Necromancer, Runnyeye<div></div>

[Deltree_c]

<div></div>Same exact deal on our server, 2-3 bot groups on the fear isle at all times.  One particular group I recognized from Thundering Steppes <em>several</em> months ago, as I remembered pointing them out to some groupmates at the time.  Reporting is futile.  I don't even bother any more.

[Thicket Tundrabog]

Bots beware!! It's a trap, I tell you. SoE has spun its spider web on Fear Tainted Isle, and the botflys are swarming to their deaths--- or at least bannings.It would be cool if SoE actually did this to attract the bots and platfarmers so they could get caught.<div></div>

[Benboe]

lol yeah, that would be kinda cool - baning them all with a public announcment. I for myself am kinda stuck on the issue. While I detest people who play this game for R/L money, so in a business matter to be exact, I do know that to some degree the persons behind the toons just try to make a living - mostly a bad one, but even a few pence may be more then they would see otherwise.On the other hand letting persons slave away hour upon hour infront of a PC screen and handing them pence while oneself is making thousands is not good eitther - well, as I said, I am kinda stuck ...Oovaan<div></div>

[Narkot]

<div></div>ROFLSo... you went there to farm, and then whine on the boards about farmers already being there?I hate hypocrites.  And farmers.<div></div>

[valkyrja]

<div></div>It's funny there is one of these groups on Permafrost, 5 people in it they are always in the exact same spot.  However, they pretty much keep to themselves and aren't causing any problems.  I am really curious how much plat they've made off this.<div></div><p>Message Edited by sparql on <span class="date_text">03-07-2006</span><span class="time_text">10:46 AM</span></p>

[electricninjasex]

Don't attribute to malice what can be explained by stupidity. Bot trap my [Removed for Content].Paid plat farming is evil to the game and evil to the efforts of accomplished players even if the paid plat farmers are the most polite people you ever meet.After this morning's update, I looted an [abraded stomach stone] and brought it to Merchant Thryst in The Barren Sky... sellback was 4g64s97c, which is lower than 14g but still vastly excessive given the drop rate.  And currently there is still a bot frenzy on Fear-Tainted Isle on our server...there are two asian multiboxers (if not yet confirmable botters outright) that are monopolizing the island via a fast rate of killing the summoned frightlings exclusively except in case of adds.This being the case, are there any writs that require killing summoned frightlings, and will they now be impossible to complete?<div></div>

[KBern]

<div></div><blockquote><hr>Narkotic wrote:<div></div>ROFLSo... you went there to farm, and then whine on the boards about farmers already being there?I hate hypocrites.  And farmers.<div></div><hr></blockquote><p>So why do you hate farmers?</p><p>Everyone farms to make money.  How else do you make money?  You kill and sell loot.</p><p>Or do you mean you hate griefers?</p><p>Otherwise you hate 99% of the people in game.</p>

[Cownose]

We hate farmers because it makes the game less fun for us real players. Farmers flood the in-game economy. If SOE let you just magically generate gold what would happen? Every item in the game would be worth a hell of a lot less, and it would just break down. Farmers suck, IGE sucks, and I don't want them on my game.

[KBern]

<div></div><blockquote><hr>Cownose wrote:We hate farmers because it makes the game less fun for us real players. Farmers flood the in-game economy. If SOE let you just magically generate gold what would happen? Every item in the game would be worth a hell of a lot less, and it would just break down. Farmers suck, IGE sucks, and I don't want them on my game.<hr></blockquote><p>So how do you make money in game?  Inform me.</p><p>I think people use farming to mean a few things so I am honestly curious, besides trade skilling, how do you make money?</p><p>If you say, fighting and selling loot...guess what, that is farming.</p><p>Dont confuse simple farming to make cash to support your in game toon with professional bot groups who sell pp out of game for RL money.</p><p>No where near the same thing.</p>

[Beghard]

SOE is freaking stupid. How tf can they be so stupid? This is the only thing that rely pisses me off about this game. I loose repsect for it and every one else who plays the gamn. If SoE lets this kind of stuff happen why shouldt i do w/e i want also, seeing as how noting in the game matters. I htink it would be fun after a raid to bring an indtire raid force to tahe island and just start ownpzing eveyhting and dulbetting them all the time. I get the fealing that the lagit players would be the ones hwho get into trouble.<div></div>

[Sassx]

<div></div>    I have to agree with the aggrovation of the farmers being  there.  What I really wish SOE would do is cut the drops down quite a lot, but enough to keep them there.  Make em waste a cple weeks before they figure it out.  And I havent been there since Tues patch, SOE still didnt reduce sellback price?  If not WOW.

[Aubalys]

<span><blockquote><hr>Beghard wrote:SOE is freaking stupid. How tf can they be so stupid? This is the only thing that rely pisses me off about this game. I loose repsect for it and every one else who plays the gamn. If SoE lets this kind of stuff happen why shouldt i do w/e i want also, seeing as how noting in the game matters. I htink it would be fun after a raid to bring an indtire raid force to tahe island and just start ownpzing eveyhting and dulbetting them all the time. I get the fealing that the lagit players would be the ones hwho get into trouble.<div></div><hr></blockquote>Ummmm, nothing personal, dude, but if by "repsect" you mean "respect", how can you lose respect for EVERYONE who plays the game, because of what a few bots and farmers do?And, as a side note, I lost repsect for people who mis-spell 3 out of 4 words in their rants...  <span>:smileyvery-happy:</span></span><div></div>

[Prattic]

<div></div><p>Well, if you think about it, maybe Sony isn't stupid if they own IGE.</p><p>Call me a conspiracy theorist, but stranger/shadier things have happened.</p>

[Ardnahoy]

<div></div><p>/sigh.... yat another "I hate farmers, bots, and Asians" rant.</p><p>Here, let me say this again for those who missed it:</p><p>- Farmers and bots do not destroy the game economy. There are those who insist that they do, but never offer any proof. I have news for you, your wild theories about this are unsubstanciated. There is no study out there, or any kind of proof that this has any effect on the game economy. The only thing that exists is an array of people's theories and accusations, but never any proof. If you base you hatred of botters on this premise, then realize that you are being an idiot.</p><p>- Farmers and bots do not have any effect on the game. Sure, they may insult your feeble sensibilities, but in the grand scheme of things, the game is not affected. I've been griefed more often by regular jerks in the game than by any bot farmer. If I see obvious botters hogging up an area, I move on to the next area. I don't come on these forums to whine about how some big bad Asian kid running 6 computers hurt my feelings in Runnyeye, and how the whole world needs to revolve around me because I, as an American, should have final say over everything and anyone who doesn't do as I command.</p><p>- Referring to bot farmers as Asians is a veiled racist insult. If you have said it, you have commited a racist act.</p><p>- Selling plat on third party sites may be against the EULA, but if it is so wrong in principle, then why does Sony offer the Station Exchange? Obviously, the act of selling farmed plat/items is not frowned upon. It's only bad if you do it without Sony getting their cut of the action..</p><p>- Botters who farm for a living do not want to waste time griefing other players. They are doing this as their job. They don't want to spend time dealing with other players since it cuts into their profit. A group of 6 regular players will always win out over some kid running 6 accounts. They want to be able to grind out their plat and be left alone. If you really wanted to grief them, it is entirely too easy to do so. But if you decide to grief them, you are then guilty of breaking the EULA yourself.</p><p>- Sony does not reward tattletales and snitches. You do not get a cookie from Sony ratting out a botter. You are not paid by Sony to report game exploits or botters. The only reward is your greedy satisfaction for busting someone's balls. Realize that you are an annoying loser if this is something you do. This goes out to all the [expletive haxx0red by Raijinn] character name police snitches out here that feel good about screwing with someone else's fun. People like you are 1000 times worse than any botter, and actually do affect the game in a negative way.</p><p>So, to summarize, if you come upon a bot farm group, you can try to settle things in a civil manner, grief the guy until he leaves, or move on to the next area. Problem solved. Don't come on here like the past 23094863245 morons to complain about it because Sony is not going to do a thing about it, and neither should they.</p>

[Meeker]

<div></div><div></div><div></div><p>/applaud! Well stated.</p><p></p><hr>Ardnahoy wrote:- Referring to bot farmers as Asians is a veiled racist insult. If you have said it, you have commited a racist act.<hr><p><font color="#ccffff">There's nothing veiled about it. It's just plain racist.</font></p><p><font color="#ccffff"></font></p><hr><p>Ardnahoy wrote: </p><p>- Sony does not reward tattletales and snitches. You do not get a cookie from Sony ratting out a botter. You are not paid by Sony to report game exploits or botters. The only reward is your greedy satisfaction for busting someone's balls. Realize that you are an annoying loser if this is something you do. This goes out to all the [expletive haxx0red by Raijinn] character name police snitches out here that feel good about screwing with someone else's fun. People like you are 1000 times worse than any botter, and actually do affect the game in a negative way.</p><p>So, to summarize, if you come upon a bot farm group, you can try to settle things in a civil manner, grief the guy until he leaves, or move on to the next area. Problem solved. Don't come on here like the past 23094863245 morons to complain about it because Sony is not going to do a thing about it, and neither should they.</p><hr><p><font color="#ccffff">Personally i think players should feel free to report people they feel are breaking the rules. Send a petition if you feel you must and when you get your from letter in response be happy that it has been read and move along. At no point is SOE obligated to inform you or the rest of the gaming community about their actions. Following these groups, griefing them, taking numerous screen shots of them, posting about them over and over, doing anything more than /petitioning them and moving on? Yeah, you've just become part of the problem.</font></p><p><span class="time_text"></span> </p><p>Message Edited by Meekerme on <span class="date_text">03-12-2006</span><span class="time_text">01:52 PM</span></p>

[Thicket Tundrabog]

<div><span><blockquote><hr>Ardnahoy wrote:<div></div><p>/sigh.... yat another "I hate farmers, bots, and Asians" rant.</p><p>Here, let me say this again for those who missed it:</p><p>- Farmers and bots do not destroy the game economy. There are those who insist that they do, but never offer any proof. I have news for you, your wild theories about this are unsubstanciated. There is no study out there, or any kind of proof that this has any effect on the game economy. The only thing that exists is an array of people's theories and accusations, but never any proof. If you base you hatred of botters on this premise, then realize that you are being an idiot.</p><p>- Farmers and bots do not have any effect on the game. Sure, they may insult your feeble sensibilities, but in the grand scheme of things, the game is not affected. I've been griefed more often by regular jerks in the game than by any bot farmer. If I see obvious botters hogging up an area, I move on to the next area. I don't come on these forums to whine about how some big bad Asian kid running 6 computers hurt my feelings in Runnyeye, and how the whole world needs to revolve around me because I, as an American, should have final say over everything and anyone who doesn't do as I command.</p><p>- Referring to bot farmers as Asians is a veiled racist insult. If you have said it, you have commited a racist act.</p><p>- Selling plat on third party sites may be against the EULA, but if it is so wrong in principle, then why does Sony offer the Station Exchange? Obviously, the act of selling farmed plat/items is not frowned upon. It's only bad if you do it without Sony getting their cut of the action..</p><p>- Botters who farm for a living do not want to waste time griefing other players. They are doing this as their job. They don't want to spend time dealing with other players since it cuts into their profit. A group of 6 regular players will always win out over some kid running 6 accounts. They want to be able to grind out their plat and be left alone. If you really wanted to grief them, it is entirely too easy to do so. But if you decide to grief them, you are then guilty of breaking the EULA yourself.</p><p>- Sony does not reward tattletales and snitches. You do not get a cookie from Sony ratting out a botter. You are not paid by Sony to report game exploits or botters. The only reward is your greedy satisfaction for busting someone's balls. Realize that you are an annoying loser if this is something you do. This goes out to all the [expletive haxx0red by Raijinn] character name police snitches out here that feel good about screwing with someone else's fun. People like you are 1000 times worse than any botter, and actually do affect the game in a negative way.</p><p>So, to summarize, if you come upon a bot farm group, you can try to settle things in a civil manner, grief the guy until he leaves, or move on to the next area. Problem solved. Don't come on here like the past 23094863245 morons to complain about it because Sony is not going to do a thing about it, and neither should they.</p><hr></blockquote>/sarcasm onThose poor, misunderstood botters. They must suffer numerous indignities and harrassment by us* idiots* whiners* racists* feeble* tattletales and snitches* morons* greedy* 1000 times worse than a botter* losers* Americans(all insults extracted from the above post)/sarcasm offUmmmm... calling bots Asian is racist but calling idiots, whiners etc American is not racist? Not only is the 'American' comment as racist as an 'Asian' comment, it's also hypocritical. (Note: In case you think I'm personally offended by the 'American' comment, I'm not American.)/sarcasm onBut... good for you. A soap box and numerous insults have put you on the moral high ground of defending the down-trodden botters who cannot or will not defend themselves./sarcasm offTo me, vehemently attacking and insulting those who object to and take action against botters is chest-pounding, self-serving, misdirected drivel. If you're going to get self-righteously indignant about an issue, common sense is your friend. Also, don't say something racist when you're accusing others of being racist.</span></div>

[Meeker]

<div></div><blockquote><hr>Thicket Tundrabog wrote:<div><span>Ummmm... calling bots Asian is racist but calling idiots, whiners etc American is not racist? Not only is the 'American' comment as racist as an 'Asian' comment, it's also hypocritical. (Note: In case you think I'm personally offended by the 'American' comment, I'm not American.) Also, don't say something racist when you're accusing others of being racist.</span></div><hr></blockquote><p><font color="#ccffff">No it's not racist to call people idiots, whiners etc. It might be a little rude but not racist. It would only be racist if you were refered to as (Insert race here) idiots or whiners. By the way, Where does Ardna call anyone else an American anything? He stated that he is an American. That's all. Thus, those people who refer to someone sitting behind a computer...a person they can't see as an Asian plat farmer <em>is</em> aking a racist statement. A person refering to themselves as American, when they are is...um accurate.</font></p><p><font color="#ccffff"></font> </p>

[Thicket Tundrabog]

<div><span><blockquote><hr>Meekerme wrote:<div></div><blockquote><hr>Thicket Tundrabog wrote:<div><span>Ummmm... calling bots Asian is racist but calling idiots, whiners etc American is not racist? Not only is the 'American' comment as racist as an 'Asian' comment, it's also hypocritical. (Note: In case you think I'm personally offended by the 'American' comment, I'm not American.) Also, don't say something racist when you're accusing others of being racist.</span></div><hr></blockquote><p><font color="#ccffff">No it's not racist to call people idiots, whiners etc. It might be a little rude but not racist. It would only be racist if you were refered to as (Insert race here) idiots or whiners. By the way, Where does Ardna call anyone else an American anything? He stated that he is an American. That's all. Thus, those people who refer to someone sitting behind a computer...a person they can't see as an Asian plat farmer <em>is</em> aking a racist statement. A person refering to themselves as American, when they are is...um accurate.</font></p><p><font color="#ccffff"></font> </p><hr></blockquote>Yes, you are correct. I misread the American comment. He was referring to himself in a hypothetical situation.</span></div>

[Jai1]

<div></div><p>You know, I don't know if the bots ruin the economy and I personally don't mind if people buy virtual goods.  I think its silly and separate the two in my world.  But, what irritates me is that they are playing dirty to keep their profits high.  There is no reason they should be allowed to disrupt play. </p><p>I doubt this is a trap but I have no idea.  I think if a GM wanted to trap one of these players all they would have to do is to approach some of these people in 'their' territory as regular players and see how they react.  Maybe that's entrapment but they could see the antics people are reporting.</p><p>IMO, if the bots don't initiate dirty tactics to keep down competition and are playing within the rules, they aren't really doing anything wrong.</p>

[Manyak]

<div></div><blockquote><hr>Ardnahoy wrote:<div></div><p>/sigh.... yat another "I hate farmers, bots, and Asians" rant.</p><p>Here, let me say this again for those who missed it:</p><p>- Farmers and bots do not destroy the game economy. There are those who insist that they do, but never offer any proof. I have news for you, your wild theories about this are unsubstanciated. There is no study out there, or any kind of proof that this has any effect on the game economy. The only thing that exists is an array of people's theories and accusations, but never any proof. If you base you hatred of botters on this premise, then realize that you are being an idiot.</p><p>- Farmers and bots do not have any effect on the game. Sure, they may insult your feeble sensibilities, but in the grand scheme of things, the game is not affected. I've been griefed more often by regular jerks in the game than by any bot farmer. If I see obvious botters hogging up an area, I move on to the next area. I don't come on these forums to whine about how some big bad Asian kid running 6 computers hurt my feelings in Runnyeye, and how the whole world needs to revolve around me because I, as an American, should have final say over everything and anyone who doesn't do as I command.</p><p>- Referring to bot farmers as Asians is a veiled racist insult. If you have said it, you have commited a racist act.</p><p>- Selling plat on third party sites may be against the EULA, but if it is so wrong in principle, then why does Sony offer the Station Exchange? Obviously, the act of selling farmed plat/items is not frowned upon. It's only bad if you do it without Sony getting their cut of the action..</p><p>- Botters who farm for a living do not want to waste time griefing other players. They are doing this as their job. They don't want to spend time dealing with other players since it cuts into their profit. A group of 6 regular players will always win out over some kid running 6 accounts. They want to be able to grind out their plat and be left alone. If you really wanted to grief them, it is entirely too easy to do so. But if you decide to grief them, you are then guilty of breaking the EULA yourself.</p><p>- Sony does not reward tattletales and snitches. You do not get a cookie from Sony ratting out a botter. You are not paid by Sony to report game exploits or botters. The only reward is your greedy satisfaction for busting someone's balls. Realize that you are an annoying loser if this is something you do. This goes out to all the [expletive haxx0red by Raijinn] character name police snitches out here that feel good about screwing with someone else's fun. People like you are 1000 times worse than any botter, and actually do affect the game in a negative way.</p><p>So, to summarize, if you come upon a bot farm group, you can try to settle things in a civil manner, grief the guy until he leaves, or move on to the next area. Problem solved. Don't come on here like the past 23094863245 morons to complain about it because Sony is not going to do a thing about it, and neither should they.</p><hr></blockquote><p>/applaud.</p><p>Some time ago i had a chat with some1, and ended up proving that plat farmers are actually good for the economy, even for those who dont buy anything from them.</p>

[Aubalys]

<div></div><div><span><blockquote><hr>DaMutation wrote:<div></div><p>Some time ago i had a chat with some1, and ended up proving that plat farmers are actually good for the economy, even for those who dont buy anything from them.</p><hr></blockquote>OK, ya know as long as these bot or farmers dont hog all the spawns, or grief me in some way, I couldn't care less whether they are selling this stuff, making their living this way, whatever.  HOWEVER......I would LOVE to see how you proved that...  <span>:smileytongue:</span></span></div><p>Message Edited by Aubalys on <span class="date_text">03-13-2006</span><span class="time_text">06:43 PM</span></p>