Abuse and counter abuse

[Evadne]

So, today much to my dismay, Venos told us how he was disheartened that he had reports of testers harassing the buffies.  Initially he said testers, then he said he had a report of 1 tester who buffed an alt and was harassing the buffies, and that is why he took it seriously. Then he said he had reports of many testers.I supported the buffing. If you look you will find I was very open minded.  Now, I am offended.  6 pages of a rant aimed at the testers on one area of this board and it took forever for a mod to shut it down.  One test regular logged over 140 duel requests and spams in an evening of play in the new AP.  I personally witnessed constant cursing, shouting, spamming hailing and had a gnome stand in front of me and jump up and down, "duel me, duel me, punk, " Over and over again.  "Testers are losers, go play on a real server."I like test.Loser.Gimme Plat."Test isn't supposed to be a real server and I have been told they are going to change its format and you elitist snobs won't have a home to go to"  Yeah great.  We are harassing them?If we complain we become the high maintenance test community whiners.  Can't hack it when the devs need to do some testing, maybe we dont belong on test.  But we get smacked in public channels and labeled by the QA's as harrassers.  Um, scuse me?If a test player was out of line deal with that. But saying "Testers are harassing the buffed players" is too broad of a stroke for me.  We work hard and enjoy what we do, at making test a welcoming place. My daughter and I spent ALL DAY last Sunday hosting the meet and greet which isnt an event for the regulars as much as it is a place for newcomers to meet and greet the community!!!  I moderate tests own community message board. I try to be the voice of reason, defending the changes in the game and argueing against those that call every change a nerf.Where are you SOE, when tests players are getting abused, and tormented by an absolutely brilliantly orchestrated campaign to destroy the legitimacy of the servers testers?  We are getting hammered unmoderated on the forums, chased out of the AP zones by the constant threat of harassment petitions.  We are hemmed in by the desire to be supportive and the fear that if we complain we will be even more ignored.  We can't sell anything we make on the brokers because the cash brought in by the buffies isnt real, so our economy is hamstrun while the beta goes on and the QA's have no idea if it is a danger for us to broker items but wants us to put up things that aren't valuable to test the system.  We can't actually test the system in a normal fashion, as would be in the natural course of play, because the buffies have made it too risky to do so. Where are you?<div></div>

[Kadurm]

<P>Cheers for Evadne!</P> <P>Thank you for a polite and well thought out post that reflects my feelings as well as I hope many of us long term testers truly feel.</P> <P>I just want to do what I like to do. Test, and support the progress and growth of the game.</P> <P>Is this too much to ask?</P>

[Torali]

<P>Sorry if I'm considered one the "Harassers"....When I'm in the AP testing things, I ignore the spam of duel challenges from buffers, I ignore the constant spam of cursing me out for having a nightmare horse and a title of Lady because it isn't fair and they want that too....I say nothing to them.</P> <P> </P> <P>When I see a group of buffers in Sinking Sands doing the carpet quest and not in the AP testing or in Kingdom of Sky harvesting what our crafters need....YOU BET YOUR BACKSIDE I SAY SOMETHING TO THEM.</P>

[Bhagpuss]

<div></div>If the Beta was on its own server, the way it's been done in EQ1 since Gates of Discord, this would not be an issue. If Echoes of Faydwer, which will clearly need a much more extended beta, is beta'ed on Test, I think we can say goodbye to Test as it is now. Whether that's a good or a bad thing will be a matter of opinion. I would personally be sad to have to leave Test to go back to Oasis. I played on Test before I made the characters I have there, and currently I am playing full time on Test. However, if the environment degrades to the point where it is a worse experience than playing on Live, the choice will be made for me. <p>Message Edited by Bhagpuss on <span class=date_text>06-01-2006</span> <span class=time_text>10:00 AM</span>

[Kuulei]

Day one of my attempt at the new content was spent being trained by some beta buffed ogre who had died so many time his gear was gone.  This was over and over mind you and when I managed to get out of his range, he trained anyone else that he could.  I did not let that deter my 'nice' attitude at dealing with the influx of beta testers and I even invited a few new people to group for a bit.  I do however feel any posts on the general Test Community about harrassment is false.  We are pretty tolerant and just try to go about our business.  If anything, the constant tells for duels, training and profane remarks are so plentiful, its pretty much keeping me away from any new content... heck its enough to keep the test community away from test altogether!  I know how you feel Evadne.I will still be cordial and as helpful as possible, but my patience is wearing thin <span>:smileyindifferent:</span><div></div>

[Sunrayn]

<DIV>My alts have gotten a lot of tradeskill levels hiding out in my basement workshop.  Garinof, my 63 conj, in crappy gear with not a single adept 3 has had betabuffed characters wanting duels.  A 70 betabuff pally and a 70 betabuff ranger wanted to duel with my wife's 63 warden, Riverspath,  in Sinking Sands along the orc highway.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>And WE are the ones that are harassing the buffies?</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Seems to say a lot about which direction the test server is headed.  Just read the now locked thread in the gameplay forum.  I was very nice in my posts and each time got blasted by someone from live.</DIV>

[EtoilePirate]

AMEN EVA.I haven't been able to play in the Village of Shin since that first night, because between the dueling and the insults and the /shouting (and the lag near the buffer, OUCH, didn't we learn from KoS that near the Guide is always miserably laggy?) it's an unplayable zone.  Tragic, too; I loved how it was shaping up.<div></div>

[Vollan]

I am sorry if you or anyone on Test took what I said in a negative manner.  What I intended to convey was that I have received several reports of Test players (those of you who have been on the server for some time now) using either harsh language or "harassing" others that have not spent a fair amount of time on Test.  This, I believe, is due to the fact that Test is an entirely different community than these newcomers are used to.  What one person may take as "harsh", our regular players on Test understand that it is all in good fun.  What I do suggest, for Testers and Beta Buffers alike, if someone is harassing you its generally best to just use the /ignore feature.  If things do escalate any further, than please, feel free to report the person for what they are doing.  I do not like to see any player, Tester, Beta Buffed character or otherwise being harassed regardless. At the end of the day I'd like to see us remember that this game is ultimately meant to be fun.Venos of Test<div></div>

[HaCkHaCkER]

(1149373914)[Sat Jun 03 15:31:54 2006] aPC -1 Hildy:Hildy/a says out of character, "hey thanks a lot Ryzatoo"(1149373925)[Sat Jun 03 15:32:05 2006] aPC -1 Ryzatoo:Ryzatoo/a says out of character, "????"(1149374001)[Sat Jun 03 15:33:21 2006] aPC -1 Ryzatoo:Ryzatoo/a says out of character, "[expletive haxx0red by Raijinn] is ur problem hiuldy?"(1149374012)[Sat Jun 03 15:33:32 2006] aPC -1 Hildy:Hildy/a says out of character, "I see that you're testing the foraging out with your buffbot - have fun"(1149374027)[Sat Jun 03 15:33:47 2006] aPC -1 Purrverse<img src="/smilies/69934afc394145350659cd7add244ca9.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />urrverse/a says out of character, "shut up buffer and leave her alone !"(1149374030)[Sat Jun 03 15:33:50 2006] aPC -1 Ryzatoo:Ryzatoo/a says out of character, "yes I am"(1149374052)[Sat Jun 03 15:34:12 2006] aPC -1 Ryzatoo:Ryzatoo/a says out of character, "lol puur"(1149374079)[Sat Jun 03 15:34:39 2006] aPC -1 Kwoung:Kwoung/a says out of character, "/wave Hildy & Purr <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />"(1149374092)[Sat Jun 03 15:34:52 2006] aPC -1 Ryzatoo:Ryzatoo/a says out of character, "and your problem with it is???"(1149374107)[Sat Jun 03 15:35:07 2006] aPC -1 Purrverse<img src="/smilies/69934afc394145350659cd7add244ca9.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />urrverse/a says out of character, "*hihi* Wish those buffers would go to where they belong to"(1149374121)[Sat Jun 03 15:35:21 2006] aPC -1 Ryzatoo:Ryzatoo/a says out of character, "test server TESTUING duh!"(1149374126)[Sat Jun 03 15:35:26 2006] aPC -1 Purrverse<img src="/smilies/69934afc394145350659cd7add244ca9.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />urrverse/a says out of character, "My problem ? You are betabuffed to test AP3 - go and do it !"(1149374161)[Sat Jun 03 15:36:01 2006] aPC -1 Ryzatoo:Ryzatoo/a says out of character, "wahhh I can do whatever I wish go play with your lil friends and shut it"(1149374201)[Sat Jun 03 15:36:41 2006] aPC -1 Purrverse<img src="/smilies/69934afc394145350659cd7add244ca9.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />urrverse/a says out of character, "and if you wat to abuse what's given to you at least don't bug people who play the honest way on this server..."(1149374241)[Sat Jun 03 15:37:21 2006] aPC -1 Ryzatoo:Ryzatoo/a says out of character, "its a TEST server go play on a real server whiner"(1149374267)[Sat Jun 03 15:37:47 2006] aPC -1 Kwoung:Kwoung/a says out of character, "this is a real servewr dope"(1149374274)[Sat Jun 03 15:37:54 2006] aPC -1 Zindi:Zindi/a says out of character, "Hey Rtzato, Purr is right, you are supposed to be testing AP"(1149374291)[Sat Jun 03 15:38:11 2006] You say out of character, "what a [expletive haxx0red by Raijinn]"(1149374297)[Sat Jun 03 15:38:17 2006] aPC -1 Zindi:Zindi/a says out of character, "Please dont be rude to the local ppl here"(1149374305)[Sat Jun 03 15:38:25 2006] aPC -1 Ryzatoo:Ryzatoo/a says out of character, "I can do whatever i wish"(1149374305)[Sat Jun 03 15:38:25 2006] aPC -1 Purrverse<img src="/smilies/69934afc394145350659cd7add244ca9.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />urrverse/a says out of character, "thanks - reported and on ignore, Ryza"(1149374311)[Sat Jun 03 15:38:31 2006] aPC -1 Zindi:Zindi/a says out of character, "this is our home, we play this for real"(1149374324)[Sat Jun 03 15:38:44 2006] aPC -1 Ryzatoo:Ryzatoo/a says out of character, "so?"(1149374346)[Sat Jun 03 15:39:06 2006] aPC -1 Zindi:Zindi/a says out of character, "so we can give you our honest opinion, k"(1149374361)[Sat Jun 03 15:39:21 2006] aPC -1 Ryzatoo:Ryzatoo/a says out of character, "me2 quit being azzes"(1149374362)[Sat Jun 03 15:39:22 2006] aPC -1 Purrverse<img src="/smilies/69934afc394145350659cd7add244ca9.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />urrverse/a says out of character, "you are the kind of person we don't need here, and I'm sure a CSR will make that clear to you, insulting Proddy"(1149374392)[Sat Jun 03 15:39:52 2006] aPC -1 Ryzatoo:Ryzatoo/a says out of character, "poor lil thing"(1149374406)[Sat Jun 03 15:40:06 2006] aPC -1 Kwoung:Kwoung/a says out of character, "BTW loser.. efveryone you are oocing except me is a female IRL, don't be such a idiot"(1149374424)[Sat Jun 03 15:40:24 2006] aPC -1 Ryzatoo:Ryzatoo/a says out of character, "like I give a crap?"(1149374429)[Sat Jun 03 15:40:29 2006] aPC -1 Zindi:Zindi/a says out of character, "you are the one who is acting little Ryzato, so stop your insult and go back to your own server"(1149374450)[Sat Jun 03 15:40:50 2006] aPC -1 Ryzatoo:Ryzatoo/a says out of character, "poor lil players feelings soooo frail"(1149374473)[Sat Jun 03 15:41:13 2006] aPC -1 Zindi:Zindi/a says out of character, "thats all you have to say? LOL"(1149374484)[Sat Jun 03 15:41:24 2006] You say out of character, "i have reported him to QA and dev will be fixed shortly"(1149374496)[Sat Jun 03 15:41:36 2006] aPC -1 Ryzatoo:Ryzatoo/a says out of character, "not worth much of my thought <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />"(1149374506)[Sat Jun 03 15:41:46 2006] aPC -1 Ryzatoo:Ryzatoo/a says out of character, "lol"(1149374511)[Sat Jun 03 15:41:51 2006] aPC -1 Kwoung:Kwoung/a says out of character, "At least it is nice knowing you will be deleted in a week.. enjoy your stay in the meanwhile Ry <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />"(1149374524)[Sat Jun 03 15:42:04 2006] aPC -1 Zindi:Zindi/a says out of character, "/wave bye"(1149374527)[Sat Jun 03 15:42:07 2006] aPC -1 Ryzatoo:Ryzatoo/a says out of character, "yes I will so get a life and get over it"(1149374541)[Sat Jun 03 15:42:21 2006] aPC -1 Ryzatoo:Ryzatoo/a says out of character, "off to TEST more stuff bye bye"(1149374566)[Sat Jun 03 15:42:46 2006] aPC -1 Teddy:Teddy/a says out of character, "let the door not hit you in the [Removed for Content]"(1149376655)[Sat Jun 03 16:17:35 2006] aPC -1 Purrverse<img src="/smilies/69934afc394145350659cd7add244ca9.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />urrverse/a says out of character, "no - and get to what you are supposed to be testing"(1149376679)[Sat Jun 03 16:17:59 2006] You say out of character, "you already have a darn good robe, head back to the AP"(1149376679)[Sat Jun 03 16:17:59 2006] aPC -1 Robscothesecond:Robscothesecond/a says out of character, "i am testing... you rude snob... the entire is different form live to test "(1149376692)[Sat Jun 03 16:18:12 2006] aPC -1 Robscothesecond:Robscothesecond/a says out of character, "the encounter is different as it suppose to be now"(1149376724)[Sat Jun 03 16:18:44 2006] aPC -1 Purrverse<img src="/smilies/69934afc394145350659cd7add244ca9.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />urrverse/a says out of character, "and what would you know about ? Beta buffed for AP3 - get your hind side back to it before we report you for abusing the feature"(1149376726)[Sat Jun 03 16:18:46 2006] aPC -1 Robscothesecond:Robscothesecond/a says out of character, "so beforfe you set out judgement on people you should look at more information"(1149376751)[Sat Jun 03 16:19:11 2006] aPC -1 Purrverse<img src="/smilies/69934afc394145350659cd7add244ca9.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />urrverse/a says out of character, "ditto"(1149376800)[Sat Jun 03 16:20:00 2006] aPC -1 Robscothesecond:Robscothesecond/a says out of character, "i simply asked for help and you come back being very rude... wow.. who woke up on the wrong side of the bed... do i need to tell you rthe difference betweent he enocounter or do you even know"(1149376849)[Sat Jun 03 16:20:49 2006] aPC -1 Purrverse<img src="/smilies/69934afc394145350659cd7add244ca9.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />urrverse/a says out of character, "if you have simply forgotten your GM tag, put it on now. If not: learn the first rule : only Dev's shout and they get all the help they ever ask for."(1149376903)[Sat Jun 03 16:21:43 2006] aPC -1 Robscothesecond:Robscothesecond/a says out of character, "i apologize for that but you could ahve jsut warned me rather than making a rude comment."(1149376925)[Sat Jun 03 16:22:05 2006] aPC -1 Robscothesecond:Robscothesecond/a says out of character, "again you do not know the difference... I will not shout anymroe and also welcome to my ignore lsit"(1149376961)[Sat Jun 03 16:22:41 2006] aPC -1 Purrverse<img src="/smilies/69934afc394145350659cd7add244ca9.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />urrverse/a says out of character, "We are just getting tired of beat's who abuse the set up and give us grief in return : Saying that you wanted the robe while most relur lvl 70s have worse than what you got is just not a good start."(1149376990)[Sat Jun 03 16:23:10 2006] You say out of character, "skippy"

[Kuulei]

hard to judge that.I have no problem with beta-buffs out gathering in other zones to test tradeskillsI don't care if they go to other zones to do whatever they want actually.That pasted post above cuts out what started the whole /ooc and /shouts.Do what I do, pretty much stick to testing and ignore zone chatter.<div></div>

[EtoilePirate]

Um.That log is hardly a shining example of Test behavior.Now I don't know what the buffer was doing, but I know and have grouped with every single one of the Test regulars in there...Sometimes we just need to be BETTER than that, people.  Most especially when we're provoked.  :-/<div></div>

[Bhagpuss]

That log is not going to help anyone's case. It just looks like a nasty argument between a bunch of rude, intolerant people - on both sides. I also wish people would stop using the term "Proddie" - it is a real life sectarian insult and consequently extremely easy to misinterpret if you come from a certain cultural background. In my opinion, the way to deal with rudeness is to remain calm and polite. In EQ2 there is also the option of using /ignore or switching off the channel concerned. I left /Test the day betabuffing started and I have since left all other channels apart from a private one I have been in since EQ2 began. At the moment I very much doubt I will rejoin /Test again, even after the beta ends. I only joined it in the first place to share information about bugs and gameplay issues, which is what it used to be used for. Nowadays it is just like Test's version of the Live servers General channels, which I leave as soon a soon as I  create a Live character.

[HaCkHaCkER]

<P>i wasnt posting this for the reasons some think, i posted this to show how easily things get out of hand.  and that both us(test) and others need to work a bit harder at getting along.  </P> <P> </P>

[Kethaera]

<div><blockquote><hr>HaCkHaCkER wrote:<div></div> <p>i wasnt posting this for the reasons some think, i posted this to show how easily things get out of hand.  and that both us(test) and others need to work a bit harder at getting along.  </p> <hr></blockquote>Well...it certainly fits the title of this thread!</div>

[Sunrayn]

<DIV>Lets put a few things into perspective here.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Most of us come from EQ1 test.  Where we had /testbuff.  We dealt with the consequences of that.  People would flock to test when live servers went down, make a character with the most moronic name they could come up with, /testbuff to level 25, with armor, with all spells, then stand around and /shout for money, say rude things about testers and test server and the lack of 'testing' we did.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Introduce EQ2 test server.  No /testbuff, no copies.  We do have to deal with folk flocking over during a game changing update but, we can handle that.  It isnt so bad.  They come for a few days, grumble and complain, beg a bit, make fun of testers, our lack of 'testing'.  Then they are gone.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Introduce /betabuff for an adventure pack.  100's of live players invading test.  Some test, most just buff a character to 70 that they have never played in any form, just to see what it is like.  Beg for horses, carpets, spam duel invites, spam for guild invites, spend money at the broker that will be deleted from our characters.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>We see them not only in the Fallen Dynasty zones but, in nearly every other zone.  Just playing around.  Rudeness begins to flow, on both sides.  Tester's tempers begin to rise.  Some have reached the breaking point.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Test is unique in that we are the *only* server that has to deal with random /charcopy and /betabuff.  No other server has to deal with this type of invasion.  No other server has their player base and community turned upside down with /betabuff characters running around.  No other server has people ranting on the forums about the community and bugs that reach live because of the 'lack of testing by testers'.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Not only did Purr spend the *entire* day crafting rare furniture, she also had to deal with people from live servers that /betabuff to test an AP but instead chose to play around in Antonica, SS, Nek, Everfrost, Qeynos, nearly every other zone.  Spamming /duel or generally being an *ss.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>We dealt with a six page *rant* on testers and test server not doing the job.  Most of us read it, so no point in rehashing some of the things said about us.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>We on test dont act like that normally.  We put up with broken guilds, lost mail, server crash, broken this, broken that, on a daily basis.  Some can just ignore the the buffies and that the whole community is being pretty much ousted by /betabuff characters disrupting our normal play and testing.  That's ok, great, if you can do that.  We have about 2 weeks left, I think more of us will reach that 'breaking point' or just not log in till after the AP and TU go live.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>When /betabuff or /charcopy is introduced to a live server, I am betting the behavior of the 'natives' will be ten times worse than what ours has been the past week.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>/betabuff and /charcopy will destroy a community.  Look what it is doing to ours.</DIV><p>Message Edited by Sunrayn on <span class=date_text>06-05-2006</span> <span class=time_text>09:58 AM</span>

[Kwoung]

<DIV>/sigh - My one interaction with someone from live who was in fact being an jerk gets posted here. For what its worth, after that was all said and done, I felt I should have just kept my mouth shut and have basically not interacted outside of group or our private channel since.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>I have also avoided the AP because I have low tolerance for spammers (chat, duel or otherwise) and idiots who like to train. Which b the way, has happened to me numerous times by buffies over the past week... in TT or one of the dungeons there. Supposedly training is a non-issue in EQ2, and so far I have lucked out this week, but I have died to numerous trains in EQ2 over the past year, even though it is not supposed to happen. People running halfway through a dungeon and every mob they passed hot on their trail, just to FD in the middle of our group to "shed agro", tends to irk me. But I keep my mouth shut for the most part and our group even rezzed the ones that died doing it to us the other day.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Kinda hard to say who is and isn't being an jerk, I know I have not /report or /petitioneed every time a buffie has harassed me though, so not sure there is a clear picture out there.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>EdIt: BTW, the above chat (log) was because a level 70 buffer to whom the entire isle was grey, decided that the spot Hildy had been clearing of mobs so she could harvest was the best spot to harvest. A very rude act IMHO, considering there were only 5 - 6 people in the zone, only a couple of which were harvesting and there are so many other areas he could have gone and had to himself instead of taking the nodes Hildy was working hard to get to. He ended it all with a tell to Hildy saying he got 3 rares from her nodes as well, real nice guy.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV><p>Message Edited by Kwoung on <span class=date_text>06-06-2006</span> <span class=time_text>05:21 PM</span>

[Zindicatt]

<P>Yep me too.  That is my one and only interaction with buffers.  Shoulda kept my mouth shut.  Funny before I started to talk in /ooc, I actually said to Kwoung: "After all the buffers have the same right to be here like us."  But I had to stand up for my friends.  Things do get out of hand pretty fast and just like a bitter relationship, in the end it is hard to tell who started what and who is more wrong.</P> <P>I completely agree with Kella and Kuulei and other who have voiced their thinkings here.  For the overall good of the community, we need to execise more tolerance and not jump at any case where we feel offended.  To my best knowledge, only test server players feel that this is "our home".  Players on live do not really have the concept of "our server".  They will not be able to tell if someone from another serve came to play on "their" server, nor would they care.  In fact, I am pretty sure people feel that they can do whatever they want on Test, because noone knows anyone, as far as they are concerned.  To expect buffers to "respect our home" and "our way of life" can only create frustration.  </P> <P> </P> <P>  </P> <P> </P>