Skill/Spell Rare Changes

[Ceruline]

<DIV>So, in turms of supply and demand we're going from three archetypes being oriented on Moonstone and one being oriented on Spongy Loam to one on Moonstone, one on Acrylia, and two on Loam.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>I think this is going to result in some issues, mostly stemming from the fact that gem nodes are significantly more plentiful (and present in areas which can be harvested without fear of aggro, at least at 70) then the ore nodes.  This was fine when the balance was 3 to 1 in favor of the gem nodes, but with the number of classes needing Loams suddenly doubled, I fear that both Fighters and Scouts are going to be facing a significantly more uphill battle in upgrading their skills than their caster brethren.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>I believe that (at least on test) Loam enters the economy at a slower rate than either Acrylia or Moonstone.  Therefore it seems odd that two times the number of classes should be relying upon it.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>The old system wasn't well balanced, but this isn't a particularly well balanced solution, either.</DIV>

[Evadne]

Ugh so it switched to loam for scouts?Bleh, I gave mine away.That is a drag.  It should be Acrylia for scouts.  ~Eva<div></div>

[Deila]

<P> </P> <P>My comments and observations, without really having much of a point. Just throwing thoughts into the mix.</P> <P>When I made my /feedback about the overtaxing of moonstones in t7, I'd also suggested moving acrylia to scouts. Not sure why they've gone the way they have, unless they have some numbers that show that fewer people are playing fighters and scouts, and think that's an even distribution of rare use based on played classes. /shrug.</P> <P>The little templish area near the cloud pad from Temple Grounds to Vultak Scavenging Site has the same kind of non-aggro ore mining (at 70, and a bit lower) as my favorite twighlight gem mining area is. Finding safe, grey areas to harvest at or near max levels though is still few and far between in KoS, but seems relatively even between node types. Competition for nodes in those areas on highly populated servers will be tough, but then, they were already prior to any changes made here.</P> <P>Personally, as a Necromancer and Sage, I initially like the acrylia being moved to Mage adept IIIs, even though that was unexpected. At the very least, when a Sage gets Favor of Innovation, at least now we get a rare we can use in our crafting, for half our spells at least. If this rare use for spell/art upgrades flows down to all previous tiers, note also that copper clusters will have a use, whereas now they do not. So, some good things.</P> <P>Why <EM>did</EM> we move away from the rare gem and precious metal being used interchangably for all adept IIIs? Was that really being blamed as a cause for low jeweler business in rare jewelry? Throughout my play time in t6 on Lucan D'Lere, the t6 rare jewelry was very much in demand, both pearl and vanadium, even though the same rares were used for adept IIIs - my take on it was that the quality of the crafted rares was increased to be something desirable by the playerbase, whereas much of the previous tiers' rare jewelry was not perceived as being good enough to use a 'spell rare' for, imbued ruby rings being the one notable exception. Most of the high-tier jewelers I knew used rare crafted jewelry sales as the staples of their income.</P> <P>Well, loams are here now, and with there being 4 archetype class bases and only 3 rares involved in crafting adept IIIs, something is going to be doubled up no matter how you slice it. And <EM>someone</EM> will say that's not fair, and puts too much strain on that resource. And, it probably does. Maybe in more ways than initially expected.</P> <P>It could be commented that with the new adept III rare appointments, that Mages are not only competing for rares (acrylia) for spell upgrades with other Mages, but also with both fighters <EM>and</EM> scouts for jewelry (acrylia jewelry has the STR / AGI / STA stats that those two archetypes generally want), as well as for rare furniture (likely to a lesser degree, but there will be demand there too). Meanwhile priests have only other priest demand for their moonstones for both adepts and jewelry.</P> <P>At least only 2 archetypes are after those loams, rather than 3, plus furniture fans of all classes, as it will likely be for acrylia. Should one say that acrylia jewelry will not be desirable enough to compete with looted jewelry, and so won't impact demand for acrylia, then we're back to what the change away from interchangable spell rares was supposed to fix in the first place. Conundrum, yes?</P> <P> </P>

[Kadurm]

<P>So, that being said. I guess if you bypassed, traded, sold, used or overlooked Acrylia for anything other than spell rares for mages, you are just SOL?</P> <P>So much for trying to get a stockpile of moonstones for Toralu's wizard I guess... back to square 1</P>

[Ceruline]

The problem is that while there are at least three areas in tenebrous where gem nodes can be harvested with minimal to no aggro, there is only one for ore - and the number of nodes for that spawn location (The one near the cloud to Vultak scavenging) is much smaller than the number of nodes on Fear Tainted (And that's ignoring the minimal to no aggro harvest spots on Breeding Grounds and Vultak Scavenging)So - Gem nodes are shared by two classes - BUT every rare harvest on them will work for one of those two classes.  Gem nodes are also present in much larger numbers, mitigating the issue a bit. (I.e. even if a class harvests the wrong rare for them, that rare is still going to be entering the economy.  It will likely get used by someone)Ore nodes are not only shared by two classes, but only one of the two potential rares is used.  So our rate of skill rares for melees is already half that of casters on a per harvest basis (On the assumption that the % chance of a rare is equal for both)   When we add to that the fact that there are fewer low aggro nodes, we have a significant supply/demand imbalance which is going to send the pricing on Loams significantly higher than that on acrylia or moonstone.My solution:a)  Add another region with plentiful ore nodes somewhere in tenebrous (If the mobs around it are aggro at 70, then the nodes should be placed somewhere other than right under their feet)b) Move either scouts or fighters to Xegonite, and put in some worthwhile use for loams other than skills.  (Seriously - who had the idea for this loam thing, and why are they so fixated on a white powder anyway?)<div></div>

[Xaana]

<P>I am dissapointed w/ the changes.</P> <P> </P> <P>nuff said</P><p>Message Edited by masburrito on <span class=date_text>05-22-2006</span> <span class=time_text>07:56 AM</span>

[bcbroom]

<P>Just remembered this</P> <P>One of the KoS collections (dont remember which) gives you an acrylia as the reward (no choice). At the time, this was only used for jewelry, so you got a free rare jewlery peice. Now, one archetype get a free ad3....doesn't quite seem fair.</P>

[Evadne]

Cinder Ore collection gave me a Xegonite today.<div></div>