Where'd my vitality go?

[Sacha]

<DIV>I happened to notice that my little guardian (who hasnt been out of the basement in the last two weeks) only has 80% adv vitality. It should be 100%. So I logged in three other characters who havent been adventuring at all this month, and found the same thing. One was at 51.8%, one at 50.2% and the other at 55.1%. They should ALL be at 100%. They havent gained xp in a month. So I ask, where'd it go? :smileytongue:</DIV>

[EtoilePirate]

<div></div><div></div>Okay,completely editing my original post. I just logged in as Kella, 51.07 Assaassin.  I got that 7% well over 24 hours ago, and the last time I played Kella and got XP (the day before yesterday, I believe) I had something like 83% or 85% vitality. Right now Kella has <b>11.1% vitality</b>.  However, the arrow on my XP bar is about where it would ordinarily be for 100% vitality on a level 51 toon. So here's what I'm wondering: with the patch that changed vitality, did we all get reset to 0 or something?  Is 11% now providing the same amount of vitality, in actual numbers, that 100% used to, for a post-50 toon?  Or is it perhaps just displaying backwards, and I really have the 89% I'd expect? Some clarification would be nice. <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />  A small hit in vitality is one thing, but finding 75% mysteriously missing kind of stinks.  <p>Message Edited by EtoilePB on <span class=date_text>10-28-2005</span> <span class=time_text>04:33 PM</span>

[Evadne]

I was also shocked, I spent last weekend, and last friday leveling my provisioner,  When I logged on my bard, she had no more than 2 yellow bubbles worth of vitality. I burned through in a casual couple of hours of play.  Logged her back in two days later, and had less than 10% vitality. I have not played Xeven since early evening Wednesday, about to log her in now.  Wondering how much vitality I should have? ~Eva <div></div>

[Edowen]

I have been meaning to post this for two days now, but my new job (yay!) is eating my time... Vitality gain in-game does indeed appear to have changed significantly for Irgul (who dinged 55 last night).  She clearly is using vitality (percentage-wise) at a much slower rate while adventuring and likewise visibly regaining vitality while online but not exping.  The rate of vitality usage seems roughly in line with what I remember from her 40s (and see on my 40's tailor).  The regeneration of vitality while online is so noticable that I have been wondering if it is out of balance.  Are other people seeing anything like this? On the other hand, something else is happening when Irgul is not in the game.  Comparing her vitality when I logged her in yesterday with what it had been the previous night revealed very little change.  If she had been regenerating vitality at the rate she does while online but not exping, there would have been a significant increase in her vitality.  Instead the increase was less than 1% for about 20 hours of being offline.  So, I am wondering if there is a bug and the changes to vitality did not make it into the calculation that happens when you log in (to figure out how much vitality was gained while your toon was offline), but are only reflected in what happens when a toon is online.    The fact that the increase seems so tiny may be due to the fact that the size of my toon's vitality pool appears to be much bigger than before LU16a.  (Read on for more...) Here is a guess to explain what people have been observing about their toons who should have full vitality.  As Igram and Ronobi were explaining it a while ago, vitality is actually a pool of points that regen at some rate and get used up when you exp.  The percent number in the display of vitality is actually about how much of the pool you have left.  It is NOT about how many levels worth of exp you can do before you run out of vitality.  That's supposed to be what the arrows are about (I think).  Now, let's say you have 100% of your vitality pool, and then SoE changes things so the maximum size of the pool is larger.  You still have the same amount of vitality, but as a percentage it is no longer 100% of the max.  For example, lets say at your level your pool size was 200 points.  Then SoE increases the maximum size of the pool for your level so you can have up to 250 points.  You still have 200 points, but the vitality bulb (if it is working properly, lol) would tell you that you are at 80%.  I hope someone from SoE will correct this if it is wrong.  <span>:smileywink: </span>In actuality, I suspect that our vitality pools post level 50 are now much bigger than before (like maybe double or triple or even bigger).  This would be in line with Irgul's much reduced rate of vitality loss, and the appearance of a miniscule vitality gain while offline for almost a day, assuming that I am correct about there being a bug with how much vitality is added when you log in not having been changed. <span></span> Edowen <div></div>

[Kwoung]

I have not really XPed for a week and now have only 9% vitality, so it appears the pool must be 10x as large as before.. well hopefully at least. This seems out of whack though, as I would have to literally log off for months to fill my vitality up. I have no watched how quickly or slowly it goes away, as every time I log on lately the server promptly goes offline, but 2.5 months to fill my vitality bar seems pretty messed up... or am I missing something here?

[Evadne]

<div></div>Well, I dunno, but it does not seem better to me. Like I said I had not played in two days.  I had vitality when I logged off, about 4%, when I logged on today I had just under 10%, which I blew through in a lazy 90 minutes of play.  I don't play as much as I would like. I provision on Eva about the same amount of time as I play Xeven, and I work and parent too. I had LESS vitality and vitality play today--friday than I usually do on Friday. And Eva, she still has less than 100% vitality.  She hasn't xp'd in weeks. But, mostly it isn't a worry. I enjoy playing. But, the live servers are going to freak out. ~Eva <div></div><p>Message Edited by Evadne on <span class=date_text>10-28-2005</span> <span class=time_text>06:52 PM</span>

[EtoilePirate]

Now it's just getting weird. I logged in Kella, right?  She had 11.1% vitality, and exactly 7.0% of the level completed. I killed some mobs.  I got to 9.0% XP.  At that time, I had 11.4% vitality. I killed some more mobs.  I got to 10.5% XP.  At that time, I had 11.1% vitality. I died three or four times and had a lot of debt.  I finished with +3.5% XP for the day, 1.5% debt, and 10.9% vitality.  In about, oh, two hours of play. It's one thing for the pool to be ten times (!!) the size it used to be, but vitality going up while I kill mobs? <div></div>

[Edowen]

Aye, Kella, that's what I experienced too.  The rate of vitality gain when Irgul is in the game but not exping definitely seemed high. Edowen <div></div>

[Heiro]

<DIV>WOOT  guess I just log in and go AFK while I sleep  in order to regen vit now...</DIV>

[goboy]

<P>I was receiving .6% vitality per hour today.  That means it will take 166  hours (one week) to regen 100% vitality.  Is that what it is suppossed to be?</P> <P> </P>

[Sacha]

<DIV><EM>Complete re-edit:</EM></DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>I just logged in the same chars I tested yesterday. Totally bizarre findings...</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Jack is still at 80% after a full night offline.</DIV> <DIV>Sienna is still at 51.8% same as above.</DIV> <DIV>Scorcha is exactly the same also. 50.2 after a night offline.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Shuna, however, is still at 55.1 YET she was online for several hours last night, gaining 3 prov levels, and then after that, gaining 20% adv xp before bed. Her vit HAS NOT CHANGED. Not one speck. Even after being online for hours, xping for a while, then being offline all night.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>I'd say its broken. Just a guess :p</DIV><p>Message Edited by Sacha on <span class=date_text>10-29-2005</span> <span class=time_text>12:51 PM</span>

[goboy]

<DIV>Hmm, was getting .6% on-line, but, was offline for 12 hours and received 1.6% total.  </DIV>

[Igr]

<P>Igram here,</P> <P>I'll be setting up a test case over night tonight to see if I can reproduce what you all have been seeing. Tomorrow, I'll take my results and throw them in a bug if there is little to no vitality gain. Once I hear any details as to how much, if any, of this is intended I will pass the information on immediately.</P> <P>As always, thank you for getting the word out and for providing so much detail- its a great help =)</P> <P> </P>

[Sacha]

<DIV>I was playing Scorcha last night, raising alchemy a few levels, and I noticed something really odd. At intervals (<EM><STRONG>not</STRONG></EM> always a full hour) the tradeskill xp bar would disappear and the adv bar would pop up (usually indicating that adv vit had just gone up). However...it was switching from 50.2% down to 49.6% then at the next switch it would go back up again. She was online and crafting for maybe 4 or 5 hours, and it contantly kept switching during this time. Up 0.6, down 0.6, up 0.6, down 0.6. Really really peculiar. She ended the night with 49.6 so 0.6 less than when she had logged on to craft that evening. :smileyindifferent:</DIV>

[Igr]

<DIV>Just a quick update...</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>After one night I'm looking at 0% vitality. I'm going to stretch this test out over the next 2 days (through my weekend) and report both my findings and what I'm doing about them this Wednesday- stay tuned!</DIV>

[Grimsore]

Yepper, vitality gain while online is very much increased while offline it's gone down to almost nothing. [expletive haxx0red by Raijinn], forgot to not log out and leave Grim on over the night and day for vitality gain.

[Grimsore]

I had Grim logged out for about 20 hours and when I came back I had about 16 percent vitality.That night I did not log him out and left him in game, standing in town, for 20 hours. I made over 42% for the same amount of time.Now, I went to Majdul and started clearing towers with some folks and within 30 minutes my vitality had dropped from about 58% to 33%. I killed for several more hours and it didn't drop below 30%.So, perhaps that extra vitality you make while logged in is a display bug and not really there. Perhaps it goes away on zoning or making X amount of exper. Either way there is a bug there still and vitality is moving to slow when off line as well.

[Igr]

<P>And two days later...</P> <P>On Sunday I created a level 4 character who naturally began with no vitality. Since that time, that character has accrued several levels worth of vitality while offline. While I'm glad to see the system work as it is intended to, this leaves us with mismatched results.</P> <P>I know that the way vitality is displayed was recently changed (from a percentage to arrow markers on the experience line) - perhaps a UI issue is affecting since this transition. It is also a possibility that the new system is not as clear as it needs to be and the new markers are going unnoticed or misunderstood.</P> <P>Regardless, I will continue to keep an eye on both these posts and my vitality rate in game. If you have any more information that may help me reproduce this, please continue to post here. </P>

[goboy]

<P>Igram,</P> <P>Where I am seeing the Vitae is on the persona window.  I hold the mouse over the right bubble - it gives the percentage of vitae.  This percentage goes up on-line at .6% an hour.  The percentage does appear to go up off-line, but only about .6% in 10 hours or so.  This is probably tied to the change in vitae at high levels - Jaly is 55. </P> <P>My guess is the increased the total vitae pool so we stopped burning through it so quickly.  They probably also incresed the on-line regen rate to match.  It looks like the off-line regen rate is probably tied to the old vitae.  All pure speculation on my part.</P> <P>edit:  BTW, the arrows don't move much when I am offline.  I have watched them move while I am afk on-line for a day or so.</P> <p>Message Edited by goboy on <span class=date_text>11-02-2005</span> <span class=time_text>04:25 PM</span>

[Grimsore]

Igram,you might try the same test with a character over level 50...just a thought.

[Sacha]

<DIV> <DIV>Jaly, I'm getting just nothing while online or offline. Scorcha is STILL at 49.6 and I first posted that figure 6 days ago. Like Igram says, the results are inconsistent. </DIV></DIV>

[goboy]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Sacha wrote:<BR> <DIV> <DIV>Jaly, I'm getting just nothing while online or offline. Scorcha is STILL at 49.6 and I first posted that figure 6 days ago. Like Igram says, the results are inconsistent. </DIV></DIV><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE> <P><BR>Well, Jaly only has 17% vitality.  It could be there is a bug near 50% that I have not seen.  I will let jaly sit in the bar for a few days and see if I can get above 50%.  I can make it go down - I have seen it get to 0% more then a few times lately.</P> <P> </P>

[Kaknya]

 Just recently for me, vitality seems to have realy slowed down, seems like once i hit 15. I am lvl 16 now.. went to sleep last night just before midnight with 0% vitality, woke up this morning at 7am, started playing at 7:30,had about 22% vitality and started thrashing bear and wolves around the steppes griffon tower, to the scarecrows. I burned thru the vitality in about 25 minutes, killed another bear or two then logged for work. about 14% from dinging 17, then it will probably be the long grind for the rest of the night to make 18<div></div>

[goboy]

<P>Igram,</P> <P>Thought I saw you request vitality pictures.  So here are two.</P> <P>This one was taken at 7:13 PM Wednesday evening:</P> <P><IMG src="http://img182.imageshack.us/img182/2986/1jaly713pmwed7uj.jpg"></P> <P>The second was taken today at 4:45 PM.  I was offline for almost 22.5 hours.</P> <P><IMG src="http://img182.imageshack.us/img182/7167/1jaly445pmthur3dl.jpg"></P>

[Kwoung]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Igram wrote:<BR> <P>On Sunday I created a level 4 character who naturally began with no vitality.</P> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE><BR> <DIV>I thought the vitality changes were only for characters level 50+ ?</DIV>

[Wodo]

Bump This issue is still a major PITA.  Vitallity is NOT working as it is claimed to... not for any level I am aware of. <div></div>

[EtoilePirate]

Yeah, mine's still all over the map. I took some notes (though, apparently, not some screenshots. *facepalm*).  First, bear in mind that I had 100% vitality before the patch, which dropped to 11% with the increased pool.  Since I've been XPing heavily in the last three days (including 30% of level 52 in the Silent City last night, hehe), my numbers are all pathetically low. I logged out at 1:30 am EST (so technically on Thursday 11/03) with 3.2% vitality.  At level 52, that meant the indicator arrow stopped at exactly 20%. I logged in roughly 12 hours later.  I had 3.9% vitality and the indicator went to 22%. 22 minutes later (according to /play), my vitality was at 4.4%. During that Silent City group last night, my vit went down to 0 pretty fast, but kept popping back up to 0.5% every so often. I know the devs are aware of the problems, but I just added another 2 cp in case more date somehow makes the problem make sense and get fixed febore LU #16 goes live next week, and the masses begin howling. <div></div>

[Shantee]

I want to add in, I just logged in my lvl 50 Defiler, who hasn't gained any exp in like 3 weeks or more, it says she only has 9.6% vit, but she doen't even have a arrow saying where that's at.  no arrow going to the next lvl or one above it. <div></div>

[Wodo]

My level 47 rock star (rocks for brains maybe), has gained a couple percentage points, if any, vitality in weeks.  This includes over a week of being offline and staying online but inactive (AFK) for 12-14 hours. My level 27 Brigand hasn't been active, except for a bank exchange or two, in over a week and hasn't gained any noticceable vitality in all that time. I don't see how having screenies willhelp, but I will capture a couple later today.  I will.  I wrote it down so I won't forget.  Really!  It's right next to my keyboard. <div></div>

[Sacha]

<DIV>Update to my chars situation:</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>After altering their SOGA appearance all the characters I changed lost all their vitality, both TS and Adv. It was crazy and mixed up before, now it's just gone. :smileymad:</DIV>

[Kwoung]

I am not tracking it closely, but been doing light hunting lately and my VIT does not seem to have moved from 9.x% since the patch, had like 80% or something before the patch though.

[Torali]

<P>I've noticed that my vitality won't move up at all while offline and only goes up while online if I stay in one zone for hours. As soon as I zone, it drops back down to 8.6%. That's where my vitality wants to stay. I went most of the day yesterday not gaining experience at all, got my vitality up to 11% and as soon as I zoned...POOF...back down to 8.6%</P> <P> </P> <P>Sorry, haven't taken any screenshots...but that's my only observation of vitality on my character.</P>

[Igr]

<P>I apologize for the delayed response on this, but I was unfortunately hit by the same SOGA related vitality loss issue that many of you experienced. I have restarted my test and am again keeping an eye on the character's vitality gain over a period of days.</P> <P>I appreciate the continued input- the vitality loss players have reported when zoning (now you have it, now you don't) has come up repeatedly and I am trying to get a lock down on this specifically before sending off a bug.  </P>

[Corlin]

I used up all my provisioner's trade vitality, took a screenie and went to work with her AFK in the trade cellar.  When I got back (10 hours later) she had just about 6%, which is right given 100% Vit gain / 168 hours=1week.On the other hand, my adventurer has been stuck at 10.6% vitality for several days now.  As Tor said, it may go up or down a bit, but between zoning (or sleeping / working) it always comes back to 10.6%.I have watched both trade/advent vitality bars at the hour mark and seen that they do go up the expected ~0.6%  (yeah yeah, I know its a bit less, but the bar doesnt easily show things to a beeeeezillion digits, okay?).<div></div>

[Shantee]

I believe this was going on before Soga was introduced. <div></div>

[Sacha]

<DIV><BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Shantee wrote:<BR>I believe this was going on before Soga was introduced.<BR> <BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE><BR>Yeah it was, but when you make SOGA changes you lose all vitality, so Igram's saying he has had to restart his trial from zero vit.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV> </DIV>

[Grimsore]

I never use to have vitality on Grim but of late I no longer log him off and just sit him in game afk, as he is now. I always have vitality, leveling quite fast, and never grind. The vitality I gain over night and away at work the next day is huge when I stay in game, minor is I log out.<p>Message Edited by Grimsore on <span class=date_text>11-07-2005</span> <span class=time_text>07:39 AM</span>

[imbitten]

Logged onto my 24 pally at around 4 am for the 1st time in a month and she only had 74% vitality.

[madbx]

So.. it appears this major issue made it live even though it seems everyone was aware of this Obviously now once again people are "knocking" the quality of the testers on the public boards for not catching bugs that we obviously did all we could for. So I ask what more can we do as test server players to stop issues like this from going live and protecting our reputations? -Nelib <div></div>

[Igr]

<DIV>A recent update seems to have addressed vitality on Live. This should be seen on Test as well within the week- internal QA tested the fixes and found the vitality to be in working order. Of course, should you still encounter any issues after next Wednesday or so, please continue to report your findings. </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>As far as our reputation goes, despite our best efforts (including this community's), issues will be caught but not fully understood or addressed until it has passed onto Live. Thankfully, those who work with the community within SOE can readily see and acknowledge your efforts and contributions.</DIV>

[Grimsore]

Don't worry. They all think we are crazy to play on test anyway.

[Torali]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Grimsore wrote:<BR>Don't worry. They all think we are crazy to play on test anyway.<BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE><BR>We aren't crazy? Oh my...I....hmmm...I think I'm in the wrong place then. Yes, that's it. Did you see the pink fuzzy? Where'd I put my pink fuzzy? You took it didn't you?!

[Fire&ice]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Torali wrote:<BR><BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Grimsore wrote:<BR>Don't worry. They all think we are crazy to play on test anyway.<BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE><BR>We aren't crazy? Oh my...I....hmmm...I think I'm in the wrong place then. Yes, that's it. Did you see the pink fuzzy? Where'd I put my pink fuzzy? You took it didn't you?! <BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE><BR>Here I thought only Sane people played on Test... :smileyvery-happy:

[Evadne]

Pink Fuzzy!  You touch my Golden Shazbot Of Power--GSOP--and I shall Smite you! See if I don't! ~Eva <div></div>