Suggestion for L&L book locations with the new mastery changes.

[Jaargen]

<DIV>Since the L&Ls are no longer just window dressing, is there a chance a few more book locations can be added?</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Aviak - the krags in Butcher start in the 20s and are this body type.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Harpy - you can fight them in Steamfont in the 40s</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Fairy - This is only found in a locked library in Nektropos which is a 30s dungeon but fairys start in Gfay around level 11.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Minotaur - When this is added, don't forget there are Mintaurs in Runnyeye.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Bixie - I think the new location in Gfay is unrealistic.  Most bixies in Faydwer are from level 6 to 12.  The book is behind level 20 orcs.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Edit:</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Vampire - When this class is added, one near bloodlines would be nice.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Drakota - There are young drakes in EoF like Butcherblock and Steamfont.</DIV> <P>Lizardman - This is only found in Cazic-Thule and I haven't been in a group that can take me that far in to get it.  It would be nice if it was moved to some place more accessable.</P><p>Message Edited by Jaargen on <span class=date_text>01-28-2007</span> <span class=time_text>11:16 AM</span>

[Caliga]

Also there are no L&L for Kobold and Bugbear and we get Masteries for those.<div></div>

[Cusashorn]

<DIV><BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Jaargen wrote:<BR> <DIV>Since the L&Ls are no longer just window dressing, is there a chance a few more book locations can be added?</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Aviak - the krags in Butcher start in the 20s and are this body type.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Harpy - you can fight them in Steamfont in the 40s</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Fairy - This is only found in a locked library in Nektropos which is a 30s dungeon but fairys start in Gfay around level 11.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Minotaur - When this is added, don't forget there are Mintaurs in Runnyeye.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Bixie - I think the new location in Gfay is unrealistic.  Most bixies in Faydwer are from level 6 to 12.  The book is behind level 20 orcs.</DIV><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE><BR>How do you know that Minotaur will be added?</DIV>

[Kitsune286]

Somewhere a dev stated that L&L's for races that have mastery strikes now will be getting them. (like Werewolf and others from EoF, and I'm sure they'll back-track for others)<div></div>

[Troubor]

<P>Clockwork Mastery is also something that can be taken, so a location for that needs to be put into game also.</P> <P>Most logical would be in Gnomeland Security or Klak'Anon.  I guess one could put it on a shelf in Kelethin though, since Gnomes can start with Kelethin as their home city.</P>

[Maroger]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Jaargen wrote:<BR> <DIV>Since the L&Ls are no longer just window dressing, is there a chance a few more book locations can be added?</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Aviak - the krags in Butcher start in the 20s and are this body type.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Harpy - you can fight them in Steamfont in the 40s</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Fairy - This is only found in a locked library in Nektropos which is a 30s dungeon but fairys start in Gfay around level 11.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Minotaur - When this is added, don't forget there are Mintaurs in Runnyeye.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Bixie - I think the new location in Gfay is unrealistic.  Most bixies in Faydwer are from level 6 to 12.  The book is behind level 20 orcs.</DIV><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE> <P>This has been my point about some of these books --  some locations are quite easy to reach  and some while easy to reach do require invisibility.</P> <P>The Fairy book location is ridiculous -- especially as you can kill fairies a lot earlier than you can do the locket quest. Actually to the doors unlocked you need to do a quest for the library key and then gather a raid force for the locket quest.</P> <P>Also for gnolls - impossible for Freeport to get. While the Orc book is in Gfay and Commonlands, the gnoll book is in the Keep of the Gnollslayer which is guarded by mobs that see through invis and aggro on you and kill you unless they are grey to you. This puts the book out of reach of Freeporters unless a higher level will kill the guards since the only entrance to the Keep is over the drawbridge -- no backdoor entrance to sneak into.</P> <P>And this doesn't even get into the issue of the tedious quality of the quests. Sometime you get the automatic update right away and other times you will spend hours and days getting it. My SK didn't complete zombies untile level 42-- he couldn't get the auto updates. They need to look into the frequency of the drop rates and auto updates and see about increasing them. </P> <P>With some L&L for new mobs not in the game and some for the old mobs need updatin with respect to location and drop rate, I wonder if they aren't rushing something rather unfinished into the game. Afterall it is not like people were clamoring for this change!<BR></P>

[Jaargen]

<P>I didn't mention all the new ones because very few of the new mastery strikes added were for creature types outside of EoF.  Since we know they will be adding L&Ls for all mastery strikes that don't have them, I figured that where they choose to place them will be fine.</P> <P>Here are the new Mastery Strikes I noticed appearing when EoF came out:</P> <P>Minotaur</P> <P>Clockwork</P> <P>Bugbear</P> <P>Brownie</P> <P>Vampire</P> <P>Werewolf</P> <P>Of these, only Minotaur and Vampire appear outside of EoF.  I forgot about Vampire or I would have mentioned it. </P> <P> </P> <P>Since now I had time to think, I will go ahead and add an update.</P> <P> </P> <P>As for Gnoll, I don't think they need to add another one for freeport players.  When does a freeport player run in to a gnoll before they can travel to Thundering Steppes?  If you can travel that far, you can easily get the book from the keep if you can get by the guards.</P> <P>I am supprised no one mentioned the bad location for Lizardman.  I been trying to get it and I can't get a group to take me that far in to Cazic Thule.</P><p>Message Edited by Jaargen on <span class=date_text>01-28-2007</span> <span class=time_text>11:14 AM</span>

[valkyrja]

<div><blockquote><hr>Jaargen wrote:<div></div> <div></div> <div>Since the L&Ls are no longer just window dressing, is there a chance a few more book locations can be added?</div> <div> </div> <div>Aviak - the krags in Butcher start in the 20s and are this body type.</div> <div> </div> <div>Harpy - you can fight them in Steamfont in the 40s</div> <div> </div> <div>Fairy - This is only found in a locked library in Nektropos which is a 30s dungeon but fairys start in Gfay around level 11.</div> <div> </div> <div>Minotaur - When this is added, don't forget there are Mintaurs in Runnyeye.</div> <div> </div> <div>Bixie - I think the new location in Gfay is unrealistic.  Most bixies in Faydwer are from level 6 to 12.  The book is behind level 20 orcs.</div> <div> </div> <div>Edit:</div> <div> </div> <div>Vampire - When this class is added, one near bloodlines would be nice.</div> <div> </div> <div>Drakota - There are young drakes in EoF like Butcherblock and Steamfont.</div> <p>Lizardman - This is only found in Cazic-Thule and I haven't been in a group that can take me that far in to get it.  It would be nice if it was moved to some place more accessable.</p><p>Message Edited by Jaargen on <span class="date_text">01-28-2007</span> <span class="time_text">11:16 AM</span></p><hr></blockquote>I don't think they need to put them in more accessible areas, as with the old system, you didn't get the option to get hary strike until you were 52.  I don't see a reason you need to get all these at low levels, it should be something that makes sense as you level up.  Yes there are level 6 bixies in GFay, but there aren't many.  </div>

[sah]

<P>I personally think that many of the L&L books are actually too easy to get, especially with the new changes.  Considering that these quests are now going to give a Master I spell as a reward, it should be a challenge for a group just to get the quests.  Like move the Droag and Drakota books into SoS, move the Aviak book into PoA, move the Naga and Djinn books into Shimmering Citadel, etc...</P> <P> </P> <P></P> <HR> <P>The Fairy book location is ridiculous -- especially as you can kill fairies a lot earlier than you can do the locket quest. Actually to the doors unlocked you need to do a quest for the library key and then gather a raid force for the locket quest.</P> <P></P> <HR> <P>Nek castle is a group zone and can easily be done with a less than full group if you know what you're doing...and having to complete the Everling Lockets quest isn't a ridiculous requirement considering that there are 4 heritage quests that all require you to have completed at least enough of the access quest to be able to reach the library...and even if there aren't any fairies in Nek Castle, there are quite a few in Nek Forest which is like Everling's playground so it would make sense that he might have a book about faeries locked away in his library...</P> <P>Message Edited by Sikeoka on <SPAN class=date_text>01-28-2007</SPAN><SPAN class=time_text>12:25 PM</SPAN></P><p>Message Edited by Sikeoka on <span class=date_text>01-28-2007</span> <span class=time_text>12:25 PM</span>

[Maroger]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Jaargen wrote:<BR> <P>As for Gnoll, I don't think they need to add another one for freeport players.  When does a freeport player run in to a gnoll before they can travel to Thundering Steppes?  If you can travel that far, you can easily get the book from the keep if you can get by the guards.</P> <P>I am supprised no one mentioned the bad location for Lizardman.  I been trying to get it and I can't get a group to take me that far in to Cazic Thule.</P> <P>Message Edited by Jaargen on <SPAN class=date_text>01-28-2007</SPAN> <SPAN class=time_text>11:14 AM</SPAN><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE> <P>Well the problem is that the guard SEE INVIS -- so you have to be high enough to kill thm or be high enough they are grey.</P> <P>If you have the Splitpaw add-on you can go there at level 20.  My level 27 Wizard goes to TS and NEK forest but he can't get the Gnoll book as the guards see Invis. So they need to either find a new location for the book, make the guards neutral faction or not let them see through invis.</P> <P><BR> </P>

[Cusashorn]

<DIV>Ok wait a second I certainly dont remember any Vampire option for mastery strikes in EoF.</DIV>

[Terron]

Some L&L are harder to get than others. Why do people think that is a problem? L&L quests are boring if that is all you are doing. Why would people only do L&Ls? Unless they are high levels who didn't bother to do them on the way up and now want the abilities, which is only a transistional problem. Gte the L&Ls when convienient. Then let the updates come as you adventure. If you are not fighting that type of creature then it doesn't matter. If you are you will (eventually) get the updates. <div></div>

[Maroger]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> pjackson wrote:<BR>Some L&L are harder to get than others. <BR>Why do people think that is a problem?<BR><BR>L&L quests are boring if that is all you are doing.<BR>Why would people only do L&Ls?<BR>Unless they are high levels who didn't bother to do them on the way up and now want the abilities, which is only a transistional problem.<BR>Gte the L&Ls when convienient. Then let the updates come as you adventure. If you are not fighting that type of creature then it doesn't matter. If you are you will (eventually) get the updates.<BR> <BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE> <P>That sound logical at first look, but a second look makes you realize it doesn't make sense. If the updates came more quickly it might make sense.</P> <P>The problem is that you really need and want the Mastery Strike spell at the time you start to encounter the mob. This is when it is most useful. However, if you don't get your updates very quickly you may easily have moved on and the mob may be grey by the time you get the updates.</P> <P>L&L's problem is the length of time getting the auto-updates take -- it is way too random. And if the RNG hates you make kill 1000 of mob x to get the auto-updates. --- So they need to fix the RNG for these items.</P> <P>Look at the CT placement for Lizardmen -- by the time you get that deep in CT to get the book, you probably have outgrown the Lizardmen.</P> <P>You should be able to get the books at about the time you first encounter the mob, not when you are just finished dealing with the mob.</P> <P><BR> </P>

[Fox_Roshak]

I will agree to some extent that the auto drops need to happen sooner, but the acquiring of the book should not be right at the beginning of the encounters. Think about this a bit and it will make sense. You have MASTERED the beastie, you have learned it's combat techniques, you have identified it vulnerabilities and can therefore take advantage of it. Mastery strikes shouldn't be a timed cheat button. Makes more sense to me that you should have to kill X amount of mobs to acquire say the final (rare) auto drop to complete your mastery. With this method you actually know when and where or how many of the beasties you need to kill to learn there hidden secrets.<div></div>

[Rast]

<P>It makes more sense to me to say...</P> <P>When you reach hunter status, you automatically get the LnL book.  At that point, you achieve your mastery of them.</P>

[Caliga]

TIMED CHEAT BUTTON?  You do realize we were getting them just for leveling a week ago, right?  Now people want us to crawl through the swamp to get back what we already had.  I get the book after you have greyed out the mobs you need and then have to kill 1000s of grey mobs is not fun, challenging or neat.  Its just plain stupid.<div></div>

[Kadurm]

<P>Here is another way to look at the L&L books and master strikes/smites.</P> <P>You get a mastery of something from study and indepth association with said item or being. That being the case, then you should not have a mastery of a mob you just now encountered but only after spending time and engaging in multiple battles with that certain mob to learn it's weakness and strengths. Then you can have a mastery of it because you know what to expect. So sure, you might have grey mobs from a L&L in one area if you stayed in that area forever, but I'm sure if you looked around a bit you could find almost all of the mobs in the L&L books still conning higher than grey in other parts of the world. </P> <P>So, don't stay in common lands at lvl 70 and try to get the orc L&L finished, get the book, then go look for some green or blue con orcs to spice things up a bit.</P>

[Jaargen]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <P></P> <HR> sparql wrote: <P> </P> <DIV>I don't think they need to put them in more accessible areas, as with the old system, you didn't get the option to get hary strike until you were 52. <BR><BR>I don't see a reason you need to get all these at low levels, it should be something that makes sense as you level up.  Yes there are level 6 bixies in GFay, but there aren't many. <BR></DIV><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE> <P><BR>That is part of the reason why they are changing things and why they put new books in EoF.  The choice of mastery strikes were times to come at the time when you were expected to encounter the mob type.  That is why orc/gnoll were first since those were the first mob types people ran in to.</P> <P>The reason harpy mastry strike wasn't until 52 was that was around the time when players could move in to Pillars of Flame where harpies were located.  Likewise, the harpy L&L book was found in the same area.  On the same issue, Goblin L&L was found in Enchanted lands near where you first encounter them and the Goblin Mastery Strike was in the 30s around the time you visited Enchanted Lands to see goblins for the first time.  (this was before goblins were added to Antonica and Commonlands)  With EoF, goblins are encountered in the Nursery where you just now happen to find a goblin L&L book.</P> <P>This is why I suggested that some books of Harpy and Aviak were added to lower areas in EoF because right now they are found in high level zones.</P>

[sah]

<P>Actually new locations don't need to be added for harpy or aviak books because both books are found in very safe areas that are easy to get to...</P> <P>In my opinion, the reason why Goblin, Orc, Treant, and Bixie books were added to GFay/CB is because players leveling up in that area would have a tough time getting to the BB docks which cuts them off from the rest of the world where all the other L&L books are found...once a player gets past those zones, they are capable of safely making it to the BB docks and reaching the books in their original locations...</P>

[Maroger]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Jaargen wrote:<BR> <BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <P></P></BLOCKQUOTE> <P>The reason harpy mastry strike wasn't until 52 was that was around the time when players could move in to Pillars of Flame where harpies were located.  Likewise, the harpy L&L book was found in the same area.  On the same issue, Goblin L&L was found in Enchanted lands near where you first encounter them and the Goblin Mastery Strike was in the 30s around the time you visited Enchanted Lands to see goblins for the first time.  (this was before goblins were added to Antonica and Commonlands)  With EoF, goblins are encountered in the Nursery where you just now happen to find a goblin L&L book.</P> <P>This is why I suggested that some books of Harpy and Aviak were added to lower areas in EoF because right now they are found in high level zones.</P><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE> <P>Do the Aviaks in Butcherblock give you updates for L&L ?</P> <P> </P> <P><BR> </P>

[TheSleepyOne]

<P>I just can't believe that some of you people actually complain about the locations of the L&L books..... sheeeeesh. L&L-book in RE too hard to get to???  L&L-book in Nek Castle too hard to get to???  Lvl 20'ish guards outside Gnollslayer too hard to sneak past???</P> <P>Laziness FTL! :smileysad:</P> <P>How about we get all queststarters as a /claim option...with 1 npc in QH and EF that will advance every single quest? Woot!Oh..and teh mythical lootz for everyone!!! /sarcasm off</P>

[mappam]

<P>My thinking - and only MY thinking = </P> <P>L&L books should follow the Quest Pattern. What I mean is that if you are in the Nursery area of GF and get the goblin book - The goblins are only ONLY in the newbie area of GF. </P> <P>When you first start a character in Kelethin you are given Quests to kill goblins. So it is logical that you would get this book in this area.</P> <P>(BTW this is the way it is now)</P> <P>So following this - as you progress up in levels GF has LOTS of quests for Orcs. But where is the book for the L&L? </P> <P>I have found Zombie Parts - but NO Zombie L&L book??</P> <P>So my thinking is that L&L should be something you can do ALONG with doing the other quests. Something you Do NOT need to Go back to and kill grays until you want to quit the game. (Yeah I spent HOURS trying to find a goblin heart - I think now that Goblin's Do Not have hearts! LOL)</P> <P>I love that these quests give house items! I love decorating and adding unique items to my home! I would love more House Decor Quests. But I would like them to follow the same pattern/level as the quests you are given.</P>

[Maroger]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> TheSleepyOne wrote:<BR> <P>I just can't believe that some of you people actually complain about the locations of the L&L books..... sheeeeesh. L&L-book in RE too hard to get to???  L&L-book in Nek Castle too hard to get to???  Lvl 20'ish guards outside Gnollslayer too hard to sneak past???</P> <P>Laziness FTL! :smileysad:</P> <P>How about we get all queststarters as a /claim option...with 1 npc in QH and EF that will advance every single quest? Woot!Oh..and teh mythical lootz for everyone!!! /sarcasm off</P><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE> <P>I alreayd told you that the guards at Gnollslayers <FONT color=#ff99ff>SEE THROUGH INVIS AND SNEAK  -- YOU CAN'T GET BY THEM.</FONT> My Wizard has tried.</P> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> mappam wrote:<BR> <P>My thinking - and only MY thinking = </P> <P>L&L books should follow the Quest Pattern. What I mean is that if you are in the Nursery area of GF and get the goblin book - The goblins are only ONLY in the newbie area of GF. </P> <P>When you first start a character in Kelethin you are given Quests to kill goblins. So it is logical that you would get this book in this area.</P> <P>(BTW this is the way it is now)</P> <P>So following this - as you progress up in levels GF has LOTS of quests for Orcs. But where is the book for the L&L? </P> <P>I have found Zombie Parts - but NO Zombie L&L book??</P> <P>So my thinking is that L&L should be something you can do ALONG with doing the other quests. Something you Do NOT need to Go back to and kill grays until you want to quit the game. (Yeah I spent HOURS trying to find a goblin heart - I think now that Goblin's Do Not have hearts! LOL)</P> <P>I love that these quests give house items! I love decorating and adding unique items to my home! I would love more House Decor Quests. But I would like them to follow the same pattern/level as the quests you are given.</P><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE> <P>Yes this is the way I think it should be -- you should get the L&L Book at the time you start to encounter the mob not long after it is grey to you.</P> <P>Skeletons is a great example of this ( until EOF made it more available) - you encountered skeletons when you first leave the Outpost but can't get the book until much later. However, the spell as and option comes along at a suitable level. </P> <P>As far as I know Zombies L&L Book is only in Fallen Gate.<BR></P><p>Message Edited by Maroger on <span class=date_text>01-30-2007</span> <span class=time_text>01:47 PM</span>

[TheSleepyOne]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Maroger wrote:<BR> <BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> TheSleepyOne wrote:<BR> <P>I just can't believe that some of you people actually complain about the locations of the L&L books..... sheeeeesh. L&L-book in RE too hard to get to???  L&L-book in Nek Castle too hard to get to???  Lvl 20'ish guards outside Gnollslayer too hard to sneak past???</P> <P>Laziness FTL! :smileysad:</P> <P>How about we get all queststarters as a /claim option...with 1 npc in QH and EF that will advance every single quest? Woot!Oh..and teh mythical lootz for everyone!!! /sarcasm off</P><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE> <P>I alreayd told you that the guards at Gnollslayers <FONT color=#ff99ff>SEE THROUGH INVIS AND SNEAK  -- YOU CAN'T GET BY THEM.</FONT> My Wizard has tried.</P> <BLOCKQUOTE> </BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE>Just get someone to aggro the guards while you grab the book....it's not brain surgery.  Again...laziness FTL!   SoE already made EQ2 (imho) too easy.  I blame lazy people :smileysad:<BR>

[Jaargen]

<P>Silly trolls.  If this was all about just some quest like it is now, it is not all that important since they were just side quests.  The problem with some books now, you have to bug people forever to get them to the books you want in Nektropos and Cazic-Thule.  The fact that they are making these quests take the place of useful skills, that makes it just a casual quest to something important, why is it laziness?</P> <P>Also why am I replying to this guy?  He just wants to stir up the pot so people can feed his need for negative attention.  If he want to fight people, he should go find some flame boards.  I am going to ignore him from now on.</P>

[TheSummoned]

Maybe faster auto updates (if you think zombie LnL at 42 is bad... Try skeleton at 70), other then that, it's fine the way it is. Remember that you now have the ability to acquire more masteries then ever before, so I think that the difficulty of obtaining them should be somewhat of a challenge for your level. <div></div>

[TheSleepyOne]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> TheSummoned wrote:<BR><BR>Remember that you now have the ability to acquire more masteries then ever before, so I think that the <STRONG>difficulty of obtaining them should be somewhat of a challenge for your level.<BR></STRONG> <BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE> <P>Couldn't agree more :smileyhappy:</P> <P><BR> </P>

[DasUberFuzzy]

<div><blockquote><hr>Maroger wrote:<div></div><blockquote><hr></blockquote> <p>Do the Aviaks in Butcherblock give you updates for L&L ?</p><hr></blockquote>yes, they just dont drop body parts.</div>

[grymmstone]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Jaargen wrote:<BR> <DIV>Since the L&Ls are no longer just window dressing, is there a chance a few more book locations can be added?</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Aviak - the krags in Butcher start in the 20s and are this body type.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Harpy - you can fight them in Steamfont in the 40s</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Fairy - This is only found in a locked library in Nektropos which is a 30s dungeon but fairys start in Gfay around level 11.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV><STRONG>Minotaur - When this is added, don't forget there are Mintaurs in Runnyeye.</STRONG></DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Bixie - I think the new location in Gfay is unrealistic.  Most bixies in Faydwer are from level 6 to 12.  The book is behind level 20 orcs.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Edit:</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Vampire - When this class is added, one near bloodlines would be nice.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Drakota - There are young drakes in EoF like Butcherblock and Steamfont.</DIV> <P>Lizardman - This is only found in Cazic-Thule and I haven't been in a group that can take me that far in to get it.  It would be nice if it was moved to some place more accessable.</P> <P>Message Edited by Jaargen on <SPAN class=date_text>01-28-2007</SPAN> <SPAN class=time_text>11:16 AM</SPAN><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE>And might I add that there are minotaurs that roam the halls of Crypt of Betrayal. Everyone remember that quest Lost Little Minotaur that spawns the biggest named minotaur you've ever seen? LOL<BR>

[Magic]

<P>What does everyone think about this idea; have L&L books drop as random body loot on any mob of that type?</P> <P>There are many quests whose starters are body drops, so why not L&L books.  Makes sense to me!</P><p>Message Edited by Aljola on <span class=date_text>02-02-2007</span> <span class=time_text>02:26 PM</span>

[sah]

doesn't really make sense that a random mob would be carrying around a book telling everyone how to exterminate his species.....

[mellowknees72]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Arvig wrote:<BR> <P>Clockwork Mastery is also something that can be taken, so a location for that needs to be put into game also.</P> <P>Most logical would be in Gnomeland Security or Klak'Anon.  I guess one could put it on a shelf in Kelethin though, since Gnomes can start with Kelethin as their home city.</P><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE> <P><BR>Yes, clockwork needs to be added.</P> <P>Also - is there L&L for Elementals?  That's one my conj is going to miss.</P>

[Bre]

<P>Yep, in either mage tower I believe.</P> <P>Brega.</P>

[Zagats]

<DIV>These quests werent that hard to begin with, and have been made even easier.</DIV> <DIV>I missed the bixie book somehow on my Brigand, and went to gfay, picked it up.  I killed one bixie on my way back out towards Kelethin.  DING auto update #1.  Killed a second bixie DING DING auto updates 2 and 3.  That quickly.  Look on the broker..yup.  Bixie leg, 2c.  Bixie wing, 5s.  Bixie thorax, 2c.  Very cheap stuff.  Took me all of about 10 mins to complete.  Now I can masterfully destroy a bixe when needed.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Anyone complaining about treant L&L just doesnt know where to go.  There's a SUPERB spot that I'm going to keep my mouth shut about, because the treant parts have been selling like hotcakes lately!</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV> </DIV>

[Magic]

<p>The main reason why I feel that mobs should carry their L&L books is because if you cannot kill that mob, then you cannot get their book.  Once you can kill this mob, then you get a chance at a L&L book drop.  I'm not saying that this book needs to be common loot.  Make it require like 50-100 kills on average to get one to drop, for example.</p><p>I am an explorer who goes out to uncover the fog in every outdoor zone the moment that I reach combat level 10.  That way I don't miss any AXP during the many discoveries that are out there.  Except for a few locations where I cannot get past aggro mobs blocking my way through an area, I already have most of Norrath uncovered and my Fae alt is only level 13!  This alt has been to Lavastorm, Everfrost, Enchanted Lands, Sinking Sands, Nek Forest, Commonlands, Thundering Steppes, Loping Plains, Lesser Faydarks, and have I forgotten any?  Oh yes, the place up high in the sky whose name I forgot already.  So I can certainly get near the fairy and gnoll L&L books but not close enough to grab them.  I already have the orc L&L from the Crushbone Castle which I got while level 10, but that's as far as I can go in there.</p><p>So I plead that the locations of L&L books be moved to mobs' corpses.  Thanks!</p>

[TheSummoned]

<cite>Zagats wrote:</cite><blockquote> Anyone complaining about treant L&L just doesnt know where to go.  There's a SUPERB spot that I'm going to keep my mouth shut about, because the treant parts have been selling like hotcakes lately!    </blockquote> Oh, you mean the diseased treants near the Kelethin slope nearest to Butcherblock Mountains with the 15 second respawn time? oops...

[Jaargen]

<p>I guess that Vampire was not one of the mastery choices.  I thought I had seen it, I guess I got it from the kill stats.</p><p> This does make me beg the question, why are vampires and satyrs on the creature kill lists but not given thier own lore and legend quest for mastery?</p><p> Another question, why are mummies not a type of zombie?  My strike did not work on them.</p>

[DrkVsr]

<p><span style="color: #993300">Mummies are not Zombies, the same way Zombies are not Skeletons.</span></p><p><span style="color: #993300">Unless things have changed, the guards at Gnollslayer Keep do <u><i><b>not</b></i></u> see through invis/stealth, neither do the guards at Ardent Needle Keep</span></p><p><span style="color: #993300">The grobin in The Nursery/Shroom Subternae do not count as Goblins (at least not with gards towards Slayer Title) luckily there are 2 true goblins with the Shrooms and maybe 1 in The Nursery cave (still managed to complete the L&L but can't be sure if it was farming the named goblins or the non-goblin grobin)</span></p><p><span style="color: #993300">There are only lvl 6 bixies in GFay? There are about 3 or 4 types of bixies with some at lvl 11 or 12. Even if they were only lvl 6, why put the book behind lvl 20 Orcs who <i><u><b>can</b></u></i> see invis?</span></p><p><span style="color: #993300">The Orc L&L should be taken out of the Keep, by the time you are high enough to venture in there, surely you should have slaugtered enough of the filthy beasts to have learnt how best to kill them, thus earning the Mastery? Mah lvl 13 fae has killed about 1000 orcs (800 white or yellow)</span></p>

[Bozidar]

How about a scholar in the cities where you can buy them for an appropriate amount given their level?  Used to get mastery strikes free.. now i have to get into the gnoll slayers keep with aggro guards and hiding qs to get a L&L book to get mastery for splitpaw?  Hmm... sucks.

[Bozidar]

<cite>CAMajere wrote:</cite><blockquote><p><span style="color: #993300">Unless things have changed, the guards at Gnollslayer Keep do <u><i><b>not</b></i></u> see through invis/stealth, neither do the guards at Ardent Needle Keep</span></p></blockquote><p> I tried using the special SK stealth that we get in order to retrieve our L&L books.. it didn't work for some reason /ponder </p><p>edit: and yes, they do see through stealth if you're not within 10 levels of them.  same with the poor guard at ardent needle who we kill a million times doing DWB</p>

[Zagats]

<p>We've been able to fight ghost types in lower levels for as long as I can remember, yet the book is in Nektropos Castle.  I dont see a need to change the Fairy book's location simply because there are now lower level fairies.  Cant expect everything to be handed to us do ya?  Theyre already making it so we have 27 (and more when the other books come out) types of creatures we can masterfully strike against, vs. the 8 or 9 previous choices we could make.  This is a huge boost despite what the L&L haters have tried to say.  Making it easier would be making the game too much easier.</p>

[Karlen]

<cite>Maroger wrote:</cite><blockquote> <p>Also for gnolls - impossible for Freeport to get. While the Orc book is in Gfay and Commonlands, the gnoll book is in the Keep of the Gnollslayer which is guarded by mobs that see through invis and aggro on you and kill you unless they are grey to you. This puts the book out of reach of Freeporters unless a higher level will kill the guards since the only entrance to the Keep is over the drawbridge -- no backdoor entrance to sneak into.</p></blockquote> I ran into this the other day, completely forgetting that the guards beat up on FP people (my character is Qeynos). One way to do this is to bring someone that can resurrect (most usefully someone from Qeynos).   Have the FP character run into the fort -- the guards will attack and likely kill him, but he should be able to make it into the fort before dying. Inside the fort, there are no aggro guards so it is safe to resurrect the FP character at which point they will be able to get the book.  From there, either run out and die again or teleport yourself away (Call,Evac,etc). I would suppose that another way to do it (if you don't have any resurrectors around) would be to have someone draw the guards off, likely getting killed themselves but giving you time to run across the bridge.  Once inside, you are safe. Both the solutions require dying, but the death penalty isn't so bad that this is a big problem.

[Bozidar]

<cite>Zagats wrote:</cite><blockquote><p>I dont see a need to change the Fairy book's location simply because there are now lower level fairies. </p></blockquote>The Peat Bog says hello <img src="/smilies/8a80c6485cd926be453217d59a84a888.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />

[Zagats]

<p>Peat...Bog... hrmm.</p><p>Yeah, since it's in qeynos I forget that it exists sometimes, but there certainly are alot of low level fairies there, even lower level than the ones in Gfay.</p>

[Balic]

<p>These master strike/smite abilities are powerful and now with the changes are much moreso.  </p><p>Honestly, so what if the books are hard/challenging to get.  Don't you think there should be some challenge, the reward is certainly worth it.  And, once you have the book, except for a few mob types, you can complete in just a few minutes killing in zones like Greater Fay, Butcherblock, Antonica, Commonlands, etc.</p><p>I personally like the idea that a group be needed to get them, or tie getting the starter themselves to a quest.</p>

[InsertNeko]

We'll have 33 total L&L at LU32, according to the devs, but no vampire and no plans for vampire. As LU32 is rumored to go live in 18 hours, we'll see where they put them.