Sitting in Chairs

[ScarletPan]

<DIV>I always wondered why we couldn't do that.  Would it be possible, developers, if in an upcoming Live Update a thing for sitting in chairs could be added because that would be really cool.</DIV>

[Kitsune286]

<div></div>I think the biggest reason for no sitting animations is getting everyone to fit in the chairs. Most of the chairs my carpenter has made seem to be built for humans and slimmer races. I guess Ogres and other big-[Removed for Content] characters would have to use benches? :p(P.S: The Kerra chair is a joke, I don't think a Kerran would ever sit in one)<div></div>

[Kosen]

lots of people want to be able to sit in chairs even devs but they always say that 'it's not a major concern' or 'we would like to be able to sit in chairs too but we have to compensate for all the different hights and such for all the different races....ect." so don't hold your breath <div></div>

[Rayche]

I would LOVE to see that! I've wondered the same thing.RE: The size difference, I think it would be pretty funny if a big ogre was able to sit in a halfling chair. They'd look silly, but that's part of the fun.<div></div>

[Cusashorn]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Kitsune86 wrote:<BR> I think the biggest reason for no sitting animations is getting everyone to fit in the chairs. Most of the chairs my carpenter has made seem to be built for humans and slimmer races. I guess Ogres and other big-[Removed for Content] characters would have to use benches? :p<BR><BR>(P.S: The Kerra chair is a joke, I don't think a Kerran would ever sit in one)<BR> <BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE> <P><BR>Thats exactly the reason given by the developers. They can't just modify the races (or the chairs) to adapt to each other just so everyone can sit in them.</P> <P> </P> <P>An ogre sitting in a gnome chair would result in his legs sticking through the floor. and then some.</P>

[cr0wangel]

I am sure it's possible somehow and would love to be able to use the furnitures, sit, sleep, at least, or something. Why not make just one chair we could sit on? That will be a start. Characters can sit on chairs in SWG, so it will be possible to make it, if they really wanted to.<div></div>

[Cusashorn]

<DIV>Yeah but what's the height differential between the smallest race and the tallest race in SWG? I'm guessing it's not 8 feet as is between the Fae and Ogres.</DIV>

[Tirga]

<DIV>This may be a "long shot" but I was thinking sitting in chairs could be done with relatively small programing. </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Have a "sit" coordinate imprinted on PC's prosteriors. </DIV> <DIV>Have this "sit" coordinate imprinted on the chair or seat. Have the characters "clip" to sit on said chairs by matching up those co-ordinates. </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Have a Hierarchy value for races. (thin example) Gnome/halflings/ratonga > Elves > Humans > Kerra > ogre/troll </DIV> <DIV>Give each chair a value, if your race is too big for said chair, then you can't sit on it. If you're to small, your legs dangle. </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Maybe I haven't taken everything into acount, but that would seem to be the best way to do it. </DIV> <DIV> </DIV>

[PassingStranger]

<DIV>You could do it in SWG, yes, but it wasn't always ideal. It actually resized your character when you sat down. Not everyone really noticed this because, as has been said, most of the races were sort of similar in size, but I could definetly tell that my Trandoshan with max heigh and frame, was only marginally larger than the average human when sitting, but enormous when standing. And body shape is the other thing, everyone in SWG had similar enough body shapes, whereas in EQ2, the shapes are more drastically different - ogres aren't just much taller than gnomes, they've got a lot more girth, too. Plus, no one had tails, in SWG.</DIV> <DIV>You would definetly have to assign certain chairs for certain sizes (as was mentioned), sort of like the large, medium, and small armor sizes that they had on lower level armor in EQ1.</DIV>

[ScarletPan]

<DIV> <DIV>"Have a Hierarchy value for races. (thin example) Gnome/halflings/ratonga > Elves > Humans > Kerra > ogre/troll </DIV> <DIV>Give each chair a value, if your race is too big for said chair, then you can't sit on it. If you're to small, your legs dangle."</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>i fully agree</DIV></DIV> <P>Message Edited by ScarletPanic on <SPAN class=date_text>10-16-2006</SPAN> <SPAN class=time_text>03:13 PM</SPAN></P><p>Message Edited by ScarletPanic on <span class=date_text>10-16-2006</span> <span class=time_text>03:14 PM</span>

[Caernarvon]

<DIV><BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Tirga wrote:<BR> <DIV>Have a Hierarchy value for races. (thin example) Gnome/halflings/ratonga > Elves > Humans > Kerra > ogre/troll </DIV> <DIV>Give each chair a value, if your race is too big for said chair, then you can't sit on it. If you're to small, your legs dangle. </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Maybe I haven't taken everything into acount, but that would seem to be the best way to do it. </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE><FONT color=#ffff99>That sounds like the ideal solution to me Tirga, and hopefully it will be implemented in the fullness of time.  I know this matter comes up quite often in the forums, I'm fairly sure I remember reading a Dev saying that they want to get it in at some point, but that it wasn't currently on the 'To do list' and wasn't really a priority for them - or something along those lines, which is fair enough and understandable in the grand scheme of things I guess.  I would really love to see it implemented in a future live update though, I think it would add immensely to the immersion factor, and for those that like to roleplay. </FONT> <BR><BR><FONT color=#ff0000>*Crosses fingers*</FONT><BR></DIV>

[Coca-Cola Driver]

<DIV>i see theres more into the aspect of the game than just XPing</DIV> <DIV>i posted about sitting in chairs and got slamed</DIV> <DIV><A href="http://eqiiforums.station.sony.com/eq2/board/message?board.id=testfeed&message.id=63822" target=_blank><STRONG><FONT color=#ffcc33>Please have a Seat...and no where to sit but the floor</FONT></STRONG></A></DIV> <DIV>hope you get a kick out of it</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>and i hope i did the link right</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV> </DIV>

[Wrytched]

<DIV><A href="http://eqiiforums.station.sony.com/eq2/board/message?board.id=testfeed&message.id=63850&query.id=0#M63850" target=_blank>http://eqiiforums.station.sony.com/eq2/board/message?board.id=testfeed&message.id=63850&query.id=0#M63850</A></DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>This thread comes up every now and again, but the devs stated that it wouldn't happen because of the different character sizes and the inevitability of a troll trying to sit in a gnomes chair and vice versa....</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV> </DIV>

[ScarletPan]

<DIV> <DIV>"Have a Hierarchy value for races. (thin example) Gnome/halflings/ratonga > Elves > Humans > Kerra > ogre/troll </DIV> <DIV>Give each chair a value, if your race is too big for said chair, then you can't sit on it. If you're to small, your legs dangle. </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Maybe I haven't taken everything into acount, but that would seem to be the best way to do it."</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>again...maybe if the devs worked this into the sitting in chairs problem...this doesn't have to happen now...but maybe they can keep it in their files somewhere and when an update comes they will see that people want to sit in chairs and then they will have to do someting</DIV></DIV>

[Wrytched]

<P>I can see it now... people will put chairs in their bags, go to camp a mob and then place their chair at the spawn point.  Next, people will want servants to bring them drinks with little umbrellas and to rub their feet.</P> <P>It's such a hard life.</P>

[Ebilmuff]

That argument might hold water if you could place a chair outside of a house... which you can't.

[mellowknees72]

<DIV>I agree that being able to actually sit IN a chair, not KNEEL ON one, would be great.  SWG had the mechanic for properly animated sitting (and even /hug was animated) and characters in SWG are of various heights.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>I think adding a REAL sitting mechanism, the ability to lay down, etc., would add a touch of realism to how our characters should behave when in their houses.  It could lead into other reasons to have housing - such as table games (imagine how cool it would be to be able to own a gaming table where you and your friends could sit and play poker or blackjack or what have you), buffs that could come with "resting" on a bed for a certain period of time, etc.</DIV>

[Magic]

<P>I understand the reason behind wanting animations to use furniture.  Since sitting or sleeping has no effect on health and power regeneration, I couldn't care less if we had that ability or not.  I rarely enter my home except for using the vault.</P>

[valkyrja]

It seems to me that the issue of chair sizing is a BS one.  If they really wanted to let us do this, they could make the chair scale just like horses and carpets do, so when you sit in one, it's size adjusts.  I'd be plenty happy with that.<div></div>

[ScarletPan]

<P>so right now there are two valid solutions to this problem:</P> <P>1. chair values (if yoiur number is too high then you cant sit in a certain chair.)</P> <P>2. chair size adjustments (once you sit in chair it adjusts automatically)</P> <P>I really see this chair thing as a problem because people like to roleplay and if they wanted to, oh say, have a guild meeting in a guild hall, then people would like to make the meetinga little more real with all the officers sitting around a big table in chairs while the leader is either standing or sitting (in a chair) at either end of the table.</P> <P>There maybe some other reasons for people wanting to be able to sit in chairs and if problem could be solved (not immediately but soon!) I and many more would be very grateful</P>

[Zabjade]

<span style="color: #66ff00;"><span style="font-size: x-small;"><span style="font-family: Comic Sans MS;">Small races would just need an animation to look like a child in a chair, for the exta-large races they would have a silly looking animation trying to sit on a gnome rocking chair with an uncomfortable look, I thing they just need an animation for both of the options. </span></span></span>

[Alku]

Then give chairs sizes... they already have names related to the races.<div></div>

[Damian_EL]

Im from NWN2 game and we were able to sit in chairs (all races) for over a year, what the Player who created this Emote did for smaller races is give them smaller chairs and set it to where only they can sit in them, then made it so they can't sit  in regular chairs. so something the same needs to be done here in EQ2. Im surprised when I came here that you are not able to sit in chairs. I thought  this game was alot more advanced then NWN2. But then again NWN2 is mostly supported by the players not the game developer. Players are able to add lots of great addons to it like allowing player charecters to sit , laydown, and sit on the ground cross legged, we can kneel but on one knee. The scripting in NWN2 is open to the player to add or change any way they like. So SOE whats up can this be fixed . Some of the Emotes you have are great. Your skeleten seems to be flexable enought to allow you to sit , have you tryed doing it thru the emote system ??? the Player who did this also changed the chairs so they are clickable for sitting. They added the function so you can make any chair sittable or not. This again goes back to the object scripting.

[Terabithi]

whoa. travelling chairs would be super-cool!Make them like tinkered items with an effect like "summon beach-chair" which wouldauto-size to your character (like mounts?)-bring them to your favorite spots in norrath and enjoy-bring them fishing-bring them to performances at your local norrathian stage-bring them to each other's homes for comfort-bring them to your favorite crazy raid-zone, and look super chill...I LIKE this idea. okay, so it's not really what the OP was after, but, I LIKE it anyhow!

[Zabjade]

<cite>Kittsune@Unrest wrote:</cite><blockquote>I think the biggest reason for no sitting animations is getting everyone to fit in the chairs. Most of the chairs my carpenter has made seem to be built for humans and slimmer races. I guess Ogres and other big-[Removed for Content] characters would have to use benches? :p(P.S: The Kerra chair is a joke, I don't think a Kerran would ever sit in one)</blockquote><span style="color: #00cc00;">Yeah I'm wanted to re-design that one for a LONG time.</span>

[GrunEQ]

<p><span style="font-size: small;font-family: comic sans ms,sand;">^^^^^</span></p><p><span style="font-size: small;font-family: comic sans ms,sand;">Traveling with chair, great....little servants, possiblly a clockwork...hehhe...</span></p><p><span style="font-size: small;font-family: Comic Sans MS;">O, yes, please!  I would love that.<img src="http://forums.station.sony.com/smilies/283a16da79f3aa23fe1025c96295f04f.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" width="15" height="15" /></span></p><p><span style="font-size: small;font-family: Comic Sans MS;">Really,  games like MMOs should have sitting and lying down.  It has been too long coming into game play.</span></p><p><span style="font-size: small;font-family: Comic Sans MS;">O yeah....and definately /hug should have been in game from day 1.</span></p>

[feldon30]

It will never get done as long as they try to deal with body size/race size/chair size issues.If they'd just put in a proper crouch type animation for all the races then it is up to us to find chairs or benches that are the right size. <img src="/smilies/8a80c6485cd926be453217d59a84a888.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />I mean it's just a fun thing for posing for pictures, right, not life or death?After all, people take pieces of furniture and arrange them in bizarre ways to make a bar, a raised platform, an indoor swimming pool, heck even an aquarium. Just put in a 'sit' animation and we'll do the rest.If they really want to make it worth their while, they could maybe put some kind of silly fun quest like a mama bear, papa bear, baby bear kind of thing where you have to try different chairs.I suppose later on if they wanted to, they could make a list of chairs that will break if sat on by certain races.

[Hellswrath]

There are plenty of ways around the size problem to allow for sitting in chairs.  Several have already been mentioned in this thread and some of them are great ideas.  The issue isn't whether it can be done, but instead one of priorities.  Will they focus on something such as this, or will they focus on adding more content to the game.Personally, I would <i>love</i> to be able to sit in chairs, especially with guild halls around the corner.  I just don't think they will take the time to do this in the near future.

[WholfeLightningfist]

<p>They could do this if they wanted to.  I think it has to do with the fact that their 3d modeling isn't as up to date as they could be.  For the 3d models to actually be able to do this would require more powerful video because the models would need to tuck their tails, bend their knees to their chins, etc in order to sit in odd shaped chairs.  Plus, in SWG, the sitting is not done on the chairs, it's done on the space where the chair should be because of their lack of collision.  If you put a chair in mid air and try to sit, you will sit in mid air under the chair.  It would require quite a bit of programming for this and new 3d models to flow properly.</p><p> EQ3 if they make it or their next big MMO should at least use the Euphoria behaviorial engine to allow more lifelike movements and behavior.</p>

[ke'la]

If I remember right one of the devs basically said in reguards to Chair Sitting, that basicly you have to make the desistion fairly early on in development weither or not to allow it, and to add it know would basicly require going back and redoing a large part of the code, wich unfortunatly is not cost effective.