Suggestion for an alternative to the guild level 50 horse

[Valanse]

If this has been brought up before then i'm sorry or if there is an alternative out there please let me know so that I may get. Anyways, I was wondering if an alternative could be added. Some type of item that goes in the charm slot that would provide the same run speed and mitigation as the horse. This might be a stretch but may be also adding the same particles that the horses (from their cities) have to the wearer's feet. Just a suggestion for those that dislike riding horses or from a roleplay perspective would rather run. I as a ranger would rather run for some reason lol. Anyways, just a thought.

[ke'la]

<DIV>Nice Idea but instead of an Iteam how about just giving us a /hidemount command.</DIV>

[Fuzzey]

Basically you're describing a totem with unlimited charges, fastest run speed, and mitigation <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />Fuzzey <img src="/smilies/283a16da79f3aa23fe1025c96295f04f.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /><div></div>

[Valanse]

Can be a totem. /hidemount would work as well. If it is an item then just have it cost the same. I mean it doesn't really provide any loss or benefit than that of the horse. Other than the preference of not having the horse. Plus, I think it would look pretty cool to see some one sprinting by with the particle effects of the horse of their chosen city~

[ArmadaXeenelk]

<div></div>if you prefer to not have a horse why should you be able to travel as fast as one?I understand you want to function the same but, like you stated, from a roleplay perspective you're a ranger and you'd prefer to travel on foot.... so travel on foot and realize that your feet won't carry you as fast as a dirge's/troubador's or a horse :shrug:I think the hidemount idea is rediculous especially if you're proporting to be a 'roleplayer'... >sigh<<div></div>

[Valanse]

Well tell me why then in a world full of magic...can I not have an enchanted item that will increase my run speed? Why can I get a pair of Jboots and go toe to toe with the level 20 crusader mount? It's not like i'm even trying to steal the thunder of any class with speed buffs. Horses are already doing that just with a graphic. I'm sorry but i'm just failing to see that argument from any perspective.

[TalanRM]

There is no reason in principle why a magic item couldn't give faster run speed. However, super runspeed is a bard defining ability, with other classes also getting it to a lesser extent through SoW and Pathfinding.

[ke'la]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> TalanRM wrote:<BR> There is no reason in principle why a magic item couldn't give faster run speed. However, super runspeed is a bard defining ability, with other classes also getting it to a lesser extent through SoW and Pathfinding.<BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE><BR>And it still would be as they get it at no cost, while everyone else hast to pay atleast 1pp + Status, or do a fairly difficult quest(at lvl) to get a mount.

[Valanse]

Thank you Ke'la. That's exactly what I was going to get at. What i'm suggesting is pretty much some thing that is already there but without a graphic. Well other than the particle effects that I mentioned earlier.

[ArmadaXeenelk]

<div></div><blockquote><hr>Valanse wrote:Well tell me why then in a world full of magic...can I not have an enchanted item that will increase my run speed? Why can I get a pair of Jboots and go toe to toe with the level 20 crusader mount? It's not like i'm even trying to steal the thunder of any class with speed buffs. Horses are already doing that just with a graphic. I'm sorry but i'm just failing to see that argument from any perspective.<hr></blockquote><font color="#ff0000">Well tell me why then in a world full of magic...can I not have an enchanted item that will increase my run speed?</font><font color="#ff0000"></font>A magic carpet is just what you're looking for then, and 40% run speed is quite fast.  You can buy one that is 48% runspeed or quest for one that is 40%<font color="#ff0000">Why can I get a pair of Jboots and go toe to toe with the level 20 crusader mount?</font>Because the boots carry you 10% faster then you would otherwise go.... I don't understand the problem here.... You want boots fine, ask for boots that you have to WEAR and give you a comparable speed buff to a horse.just don't ask to be allowed to use a horse without riding it... is all I ask.<font color="#ff0000">It's not like i'm even trying to steal the thunder of any class with speed buffs. Horses are already doing that just with a graphic. I'm sorry but i'm just failing to see that argument from any perspective.</font>I don't think anyone is saying you're stealing /unbalancing I just don't understand why you think your ranger needs an invisible horse. when you should be asking for an alternative to mounted travel that is faster then walking....good topic though <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /> I can't stand using a carpet as a SK so I understand your frustration.  maybe the mounts in EoF will be more ranger-esque<div></div>

[Crim001]

<P>Ya know....I've always wondered why Maj'dul would have camel vendors, yet you can't even ride a camel...Who cares if it's for a quest!</P> <P>Turtles are a close second.</P> <P>As for hiding mounts, I don't see what the problem with it is. You're still going to pay over 1p for even the basic horse, and if people didn't have trouble with the way mounts were, then then they shouldn't have problems with people just hiding them. It's a /showhood for mounts. Unless you thought that /showhood was too gamebreaking/altering too.</P>

[ArmadaXeenelk]

<div></div>Yea I suppose people would enjoy hiding a horse, I just don't "get it" <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />  i'd rather see a solution to this problem in a way that makes sense and improves the immersion of the game rather then simple solutions that make no sense...hoods can be hiddin so that they're on your back(although they're always on your back) so its not really a fair comparison.... Helmets.... perhaps... but its easier to overlook a warrior without a helm then it is to watch a non bard character <b>run</b> by you at 48% run speedIf  you want to hide your horse, dismount and get off it... if you want .... blah read my previous post!Meh, this isn't even a testing feedback question so I'm going to stop discussing it.<img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />

[Monkeymunch]

<DIV>I play mostly casters in eq2, and as you know i mainly wear a robe.  The problem i have with the horse graphic is if i have cloth simulation on, my robe floats in made air, or i have  the option off and my robe beheads my horse. That is the only problem i have with the horse graphic.</DIV><p>Message Edited by Monkeymuncher on <span class=date_text>10-09-2006</span> <span class=time_text>08:53 PM</span>

[Jal]

Id say make the item equipable to be used to get the speed, either a pair of boots or a bracelet. That way someone has to sacrefice another item and its stats to get the speed and use it in indoor zones or they buy a horse which can be triggered from their bags and only works in outdoor zones. A trade off.The speedbuffs for just running with no penalty are a bard thing and shouldnt be taken away or made less useful.

[Oakum]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Jalek wrote:<BR>Id say make the item equipable to be used to get the speed, either a pair of boots or a bracelet. That way someone has to sacrefice another item and its stats to get the speed and use it in indoor zones or they buy a horse which can be triggered from their bags and only works in outdoor zones. A trade off.<BR><BR>The speedbuffs for just running with no penalty are a bard thing and shouldnt be taken away or made less useful.<BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE> <P><BR>And a scouts, druid, shaman thing with sow and pathfinding.</P> <P> Yep, no one should be able to do but those classes just like the chanters epic abilities. All totems, potions ect that can do the same thing as any other class should be removed and no tinkering items that duplicate any of them should be put in. </P> <P>J/K unlike the chanters, I can share my abilities with other people through items usable items and procs. </P>

[Roux]

I won't be happy until I get the Meatbeast as a mount !!  Wo0T!! :smileyvery-happy:

[psubull]

A neat idea would be pegasus shoes, where when you summon it you get little wings on your feet.<div></div>

[Jaimster]

<DIV><BR></DIV> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Oakum wrote:<BR> <P>And a scouts, druid, shaman thing with sow and pathfinding.</P> <P> Yep, no one should be able to do but those classes just like the chanters epic abilities. All totems, potions ect that can do the same thing as any other class should be removed and no tinkering items that duplicate any of them should be put in. </P> <P>J/K unlike the chanters, I can share my abilities with other people through items usable items and procs. </P> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE> <DIV>I think what the previous poster meant was the actual bard speed... compared to selo's plus AA lines, SOW and pathfinding feel useless... case in point, my brigand alt just bought a 32% horse because I couldn't stand moving so slowly (16%) compared to my troub.  </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>I know why you want  to feel like you're running that fast - it's fun... but my suggestion would be to start a bard <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /> They're pretty fun too.  No one should run (or look like they're running) faster than a bard in my opinion.  But then I am clearly a little biased.</DIV>

[Littl]

Sorry but I don't like that idea because it kills the roleplay aspect of the game. You already have some run speed buffs available especially if you play a scout. I like to see people on mounts/horses and it makes sense. It would be wierd to be on an invisible horse. How about if most everyone did this then we would have no adventurers on horses.

[Valanse]

Think people took this as strictly being a /hidemount suggestion. It was just an idea thrown out there to achieve the goal. I really like the idea of some thing like pegasus shoes...some thing along those lines would be nice. Like I said..this is just me looking for an alternative for those individuals that don't want to ride a horse and have eleventy billion status points they're willing to spend.

[Microphage]

<BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Littles wrote:<BR>Sorry but I don't like that idea because it kills the roleplay aspect of the game. You already have some run speed buffs available especially if you play a scout. I like to see people on mounts/horses and it makes sense. It would be wierd to be on an invisible horse. How about if most everyone did this then we would have no adventurers on horses.<BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE>Hmm.  Why should people be required to conform to <U>your</U> idea of roleplay?  If they were to add a /hidemount feature, not everyone woudl use it, and you could certainly choose to keep <U>your</U> mount visible.  IMHO hidden horses, or non-bards just running really fast would not be any more disturbing that flying carpets...<BR>

[Zagats]

<DIV>I like the idea of magical boots! </DIV> <DIV>Perhaps even have some with bard enchantments on them, ie some "tap dancing shoes of selo's accelerando"</DIV> <DIV>-Increase run speed by 48%.</DIV> <DIV>  -If Tap Dancing Shoes of Selo's Accelerando are equipped.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>and they could have a particle effect of music notes or something like that, but instead of the character ducking like riding a carpet, or sitting like riding a horse, theyd be running just like a bard character.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV>

[Kordran]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> ArmadaXeenelk wrote:<BR> if you prefer to not have a horse why should you be able to travel as fast as one?<BR><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE> <P>For one, because the bloody animation for the horses is borked whenever you enter combat on horseback and turn/strafe. They go into this permanent sidestep animation that makes it look like they're trying to run sideways. It's incredibly annoying, and obviously something SoE isn't really interested in fixing.</P> <P>When they added mounts that offered skill bonuses and resists, they should have made the change that you could have that buff up at any time and control whether or not the horse is actually displayed. It would help with city lag, and address the problem that you can't summon the horse to give you those bonuses inside a dungeon (to be clear, I don't want the horse to be drawn when you're in a dungeon, but if you've paid 20p and a boatload of status for one, you should get the bonuses for it whenever you want). Horses are not just about runspeed anymore, and the game mechanics need to reflect that.</P><p>Message Edited by Kordran on <span class=date_text>10-13-2006</span> <span class=time_text>03:39 PM</span>

[Te'ana]

After watching my froggy on her horse I can definitely agree that  /hidemount would be a desirable addition to the game. <img src="/smilies/8a80c6485cd926be453217d59a84a888.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />

[Jiwi]

<P>I'll add my 2cp, if a vote were to be taken, I would vote for a /hidemount command.  That should help with lag issues during some raids.</P> <P>Good thread!</P> <P> </P> <P>Zappz</P> <P>Iniiji</P> <P>Nektulos</P> <P> </P>

[Krilinye]

With something good comes something crappy - ie. the horse graphics.You cant just expect to get 48 runspeed, and no penalty whatsoever, also, if it were to be turned into a item, then it would have to have same restrictions as a horse (ie. run speed doesnt work in indoor areas).

[Kordran]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Krilinye wrote:<BR>With something good comes something crappy - ie. the horse graphics.<BR><BR>You cant just expect to get 48 runspeed, and no penalty whatsoever, also, if it were to be turned into a item, then it would have to have same restrictions as a horse (ie. run speed doesnt work in indoor areas).<BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE><BR>Why can't you expect that? You pay through the nose in coin and status for that extra 8%. Horses are a luxury item that already have their own (high) cost, designed to be a goldsink. They shouldn't have any other "downside" or trade-off, as if it's a quest or drop item.

[Te'ana]

<DIV>I don't understand why my froggy must look stupid riding her horse while my high elf is allowed to look elegant on hers. </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>This is lot like the issue I had with always looking at my Mystic's bear bottom when in 3rd person view.  Having the /hide illusion option makes the game a lot better and does not hurt anyone else.  The only people who need to know I am a Mystic already know it and it's not anyone else's business. </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>The same goes for the /hide mount suggesetion. How can this possible affect anyone else's gameplay?   Oh wait, I get it, you are on a PvP server and want to know how fast someone will run away from you LOL.</DIV>

[Farengor]

<DIV>I've wanted an alternative myself for a long time.  Maybe Boots of Swift Striding.  Make it a quest like the carpet quest or something.  I've got a Barbarian Monk, and I like to run personally.  I use my carpet for long-distance travelling and collecting etc.  He just doesn't look right on a carpet!  I like horses, but if I could spend a comparable amount of money and get an item that would allow me to run faster, that would be fine.  And it would allow me to role-play even better.  I was in a raid the other day, and my run speed buffed was like 40%.  That was really great, and I kept thinking "this is what I've been wanting".</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>I guess I'll just have to raid constantly.</DIV>

[Venzule]

I can see it now...Summon mount.Get on the mount./hidemountGet into some water.Mount cancels.Get out of water and summon mount./say "Where is my mount"Summon mount againMount despawns./say "What the hell?"Summon mount again/say "Why isnt this working!"/petitionCSR (14 weeks later) "Umm sir, you are hiding your mount"/say "Ohhh...." /showmount /say "Ahhh!! duh on me"Off Topic: Please format these forums for IE7. I have no options bar.<p>Message Edited by Venzule on <span class=date_text>10-19-2006</span> <span class=time_text>11:26 AM</span>

[Rotba]

<div><blockquote><hr>Te'ana wrote:<div></div>After watching my froggy on her horse I can definitely agree that  /hidemount would be a desirable addition to the game. <img src="/smilies/8a80c6485cd926be453217d59a84a888.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /><hr></blockquote>Have you seen a froglock bard in full run? You want the mount back. I also intend to buy a horse for my female woodelven bard. It looks silly.</div>