Trial of the Isle Changes

[Code2501]

<DIV>Just wanted to say thankyou for the changes to trial accounts, Hopefully this will cut the crappy spam and plat selling that was going on against the eula.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV> <HR> </DIV> <BLOCKQUOTE dir=ltr> <DIV> <DIV><STRONG><FONT color=#ffcc00>*** Trial of the Isle Changes ***</FONT></STRONG></DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>The Trial of the Isle is a free demo of EverQuest II that gives players a chance to try out the game. Unfortunately, some unscrupulous individuals have been using the Trial to perform actions that break the End User License Agreement, such as spamming legitimate players.</DIV> <DIV>In order to prevent many of these abuses, Trial accounts now have certain limitations placed upon their ability to interact with other players. These limitations go away when the Trial player subscribes to the game.</DIV> <DIV>Trial of the Isle players:<BR>- Cannot send /tells to players on other servers or games<BR>- Must be on someone's friends list in order to send /tells to them<BR>- Cannot trade with other players<BR>- Cannot be invited into guilds<BR>- Cannot create a guild or assist in the creation of a guild<BR>- Cannot purchase items from the broker or from consignment vendors<BR>- Cannot list items for sale on the broker<BR>- Cannot send or receive in-game mail<BR>- Cannot talk in server-wide chat channels (level channels, class channels, etc.)</DIV> <P>===========================<BR>Steve Danuser, a.k.a. Moorgard<BR>Game Designer, EverQuest II</P></DIV></BLOCKQUOTE> <P></P> <HR>

[AmyCalana]

omg Yes!  Thank you SO much devs for that.  Thank you so much.  <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /><div></div>

[Mulilla]

<P>Sign me in.</P> <P>Some of these changes (proposed by players in some of the threads about the subject) and the feedback on guild raids and TS writs are begining to make me have faith in devs again.</P> <P>I think it is neccesary to say when things are done in a wrong way, and that happened (should i say i am a troub? <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />), but it is also neccesary to say when things are done right, like this time.</P> <P> </P> <P>Edit: spelling</P><p>Message Edited by Mulillla on <span class=date_text>08-25-2006</span> <span class=time_text>10:43 AM</span>

[Pherra]

<P><FONT color=#9966ff>Wow, an update I am actually looking foreward to!</FONT></P> <P><FONT color=#9966ff>Thank you to who ever is in charge of these changes, I guess every now and then people do listen!</FONT></P>

[Lera]

Yay! They listened!Now they just need to put back the newbie quests, stop the island from melting, and allow us to have pet gelatinous cubes for our homes. <span><span>:smileyvery-happy:</span></span><div></div>

[Ghartan]

Mostly good changes for sure but I don't really care for the no trading restriction between players.One of the things I liked about newbie isle was the trading of all the adept I's and harvest items for collections that would occur. Pity to punish the real people trying to test EQ2 with the Trial on this ability.<div></div>

[Wingrider01]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Ghartan wrote:<BR>Mostly good changes for sure but I don't really care for the no trading restriction between players.<BR><BR>One of the things I liked about newbie isle was the trading of all the adept I's and harvest items for collections that would occur. Pity to punish the real people trying to test EQ2 with the Trial on this ability.<BR> <BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE> <P><BR>Never been on the trial, but I thought your character was transfered over if the person decided to get the full subscription to the game, in that case what you state is a non-issue. You can continue to collect them and transfer it when the character is moved to the full account. Curious, if as you say they are trying to test the game, why would they want to transfer these items to real game players, would they not wnat to utilize them on their own?</P> <P>This change ranks in the top 20 of all time best modifications to the game list</P><p>Message Edited by Wingrider01 on <span class=date_text>08-25-2006</span> <span class=time_text>07:50 AM</span>

[Demoniac]

<DIV>what happens if i just create a char, as soon as I login the isle, i will just leave the trial island can I spam to the sever?? I think there should be a level cap like level 10. otherwise, it makes no sence</DIV>

[TalisX1]

<blockquote><hr>Demoniac wrote:<div>what happens if i just create a char, as soon as I login the isle, i will just leave the trial island can I spam to the sever?? I think there should be a level cap like level 10. otherwise, it makes no sence</div><hr></blockquote>Trial Characters (ie. Free Accounts) can't leave the island.<div></div>

[Demoniac]

<DIV><BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> TalisX1 wrote:<BR><BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Demoniac wrote:<BR> <DIV>what happens if i just create a char, as soon as I login the isle, i will just leave the trial island can I spam to the sever?? I think there should be a level cap like level 10. otherwise, it makes no sence</DIV><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE>Trial Characters (ie. Free Accounts) can't leave the island.<BR><BR> <BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE><BR>oh.. that's nice...</DIV>

[gm9]

<blockquote><hr>Wingrider01 wrote:Curious, if as you say they are trying to test the game, why would they want to transfer these items to real game players, would they not wnat to utilize them on their own?<hr></blockquote>No, since most of the items you can't use anyway or already have a stack of. Unlike in the "real" game, people on the isle regularly exchange equipment, spells (even masters) and collectibles for free. I still think it is a reasonable restriction, and I think it is too minor to dissuade real new players from not buying the game.

[Rijacki]

<blockquote><hr>Ghartan wrote:Mostly good changes for sure but I don't really care for the no trading restriction between players.One of the things I liked about newbie isle was the trading of all the adept I's and harvest items for collections that would occur. Pity to punish the real people trying to test EQ2 with the Trial on this ability.<div></div><hr></blockquote>I agree that this is the harshest of the changes and affects real trial users (vs the plat sellers) the most, but... on the other hand, it also is an incentive to get the full version if you plan on continuing the game.  If you're only on the trial, honestly, you can do the entire thing relatively easily without even the quest reward armor and money (I did so on Test when quest rewards were broken and my only other Test character is on another account -and- very broke).<div></div>

[Ama]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Code2501 wrote:<BR> <DIV>Just wanted to say thankyou for the changes to trial accounts, Hopefully this will cut the crappy spam and plat selling that was going on against the eula.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV> <HR> </DIV> <BLOCKQUOTE dir=ltr> <DIV> <DIV><STRONG><FONT color=#ffcc00>*** Trial of the Isle Changes ***</FONT></STRONG></DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>The Trial of the Isle is a free demo of EverQuest II that gives players a chance to try out the game. Unfortunately, some unscrupulous individuals have been using the Trial to perform actions that break the End User License Agreement, such as spamming legitimate players.</DIV> <DIV>In order to prevent many of these abuses, Trial accounts now have certain limitations placed upon their ability to interact with other players. These limitations go away when the Trial player subscribes to the game.</DIV> <DIV>Trial of the Isle players:<BR>- Cannot send /tells to players on other servers or games<BR>- Must be on someone's friends list in order to send /tells to them<BR>- Cannot trade with other players<BR>- Cannot be invited into guilds<BR>- Cannot create a guild or assist in the creation of a guild<BR>- Cannot purchase items from the broker or from consignment vendors<BR>- Cannot list items for sale on the broker<BR>- Cannot send or receive in-game mail<BR>- Cannot talk in server-wide chat channels (level channels, class channels, etc.)</DIV> <P>===========================<BR>Steve Danuser, a.k.a. Moorgard<BR>Game Designer, EverQuest II</P></DIV></BLOCKQUOTE> <P></P> <HR> <BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE> <P>Hopefully this will kill off alot of them but I have a feeling it won't kill off all of them.  If we are lucky the dumb plat sellers will start sending mail from their main toons then we can really nail them.</P> <P>I already reported 1 plat seller for harrassement and a GM moved a toon of mine to his account to take a snap shot of the mail I left in the mail box.  I'm reporting all botter activity I get as Harrassement because it is intrusive, unwanted, and down right aggrivating to be playing a good round of the game then recieve a stupid message "You buy plat now go to XXX website enter 1898734 code you get discout buy plat now!!".  *Also yes I know that is not a true botter message but I'm using it to emphasis how stupid this crap is.*</P> <P>As said I hope this will kill alot of the major people and if we are lucky some will be stupid enough to use their main toons.<BR></P>

[Oakum]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Amana wrote:<BR> <BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Code2501 wrote:<BR> <DIV>Just wanted to say thankyou for the changes to trial accounts, Hopefully this will cut the crappy spam and plat selling that was going on against the eula.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV> <HR> </DIV> <BLOCKQUOTE dir=ltr> <DIV> <DIV><STRONG><FONT color=#ffcc00>*** Trial of the Isle Changes ***</FONT></STRONG></DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>The Trial of the Isle is a free demo of EverQuest II that gives players a chance to try out the game. Unfortunately, some unscrupulous individuals have been using the Trial to perform actions that break the End User License Agreement, such as spamming legitimate players.</DIV> <DIV>In order to prevent many of these abuses, Trial accounts now have certain limitations placed upon their ability to interact with other players. These limitations go away when the Trial player subscribes to the game.</DIV> <DIV>Trial of the Isle players:<BR>- Cannot send /tells to players on other servers or games<BR>- Must be on someone's friends list in order to send /tells to them<BR>- Cannot trade with other players<BR>- Cannot be invited into guilds<BR>- Cannot create a guild or assist in the creation of a guild<BR>- Cannot purchase items from the broker or from consignment vendors<BR>- Cannot list items for sale on the broker<BR>- Cannot send or receive in-game mail<BR>- Cannot talk in server-wide chat channels (level channels, class channels, etc.)</DIV> <P>===========================<BR>Steve Danuser, a.k.a. Moorgard<BR>Game Designer, EverQuest II</P></DIV></BLOCKQUOTE> <P></P> <HR> <BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE> <P>Hopefully this will kill off alot of them but I have a feeling it won't kill off all of them.  If we are lucky the dumb plat sellers will start sending mail from their main toons then we can really nail them.</P> <P>I already reported 1 plat seller for harrassement and a GM moved a toon of mine to his account to take a snap shot of the mail I left in the mail box.  I'm reporting all botter activity I get as Harrassement because it is intrusive, unwanted, and down right aggrivating to be playing a good round of the game then recieve a stupid message "You buy plat now go to XXX website enter 1898734 code you get discout buy plat now!!".  *Also yes I know that is not a true botter message but I'm using it to emphasis how stupid this crap is.*</P> <P>As said I hope this will kill alot of the major people and if we are lucky some will be stupid enough to use their main toons.<BR></P><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE> <P>What will probably happen is they will buy a classic addition, make a character and get them off the island. </P> <P>Make up a whole bunch of tell macro's and a plat seller message they can paste into the mail. Then when rdy they will send the tells and then start on the mails until the account gets banned. </P> <P>They will lose the purchase price though.  They will do this over and over until they are spending more money then they are making. <BR></P> <P>That is my oponion anyway. The best answer is for no one to buy it. </P>

[Terabethia]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Oakum wrote: <P>That is my oponion anyway. The best answer is for no one to buy it.</P> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE> <P><BR><FONT color=#33ccff>Exactaly, but the problem is that it's a vicious circle. You can't run a business without customers, however, as long as there IS a business, there will be customers for this sort of thing. All MMO's expirence this, it's just the nature of this type of game. Complaining that SoE can't get rid of all the botters is about as silly as complaining that the police forces can't get rid of the drug dealers. As long as there is a game, people will find a way to do it. At least they continue to make efforts to get rid of them as they find them, and at the very least make their lives a little harder. </FONT></P> <P><FONT color=#33ccff>Still sticks though</FONT> :smileysad:</P>

[Ebjelen]

Yes, these changes brought a heavy sigh of relief from me. I know people will find a way around, but I think we'll see a huge drop in the number of tells and spam mails. Losing a paid account is much more expensive than losing a free account. That price will be reflected in cost to customers which will decrease their customer base and allow legitimate sellers fair business practices. <div></div>

[Canel]

<P>Well-I think this update will definatly slow down the plat farmers trade-but wont slow down for long the ways they can send out their adds ect. I mean-I realize that they always used free trial accounts that couldn't be traced-but the fact remains that I think a few of the plat farmer companies actually cheat their plat making (a.k.a hacking the game like some guys did a month or 2 ago [glad they got caught tho]). And they have perfectly legit toons on-and they just add the plats to their account :smileysad:</P> <P> </P> <P>But still-gotta give SoE their props on this--probably will get a good few months of freedom from their spam untill they manage another way unfortunatly (those [expletive haxx0red by Raijinn] plat farmers always seem to be coming back! :smileysad: )</P><p>Message Edited by Canel on <span class=date_text>08-25-2006</span> <span class=time_text>10:27 PM</span>

[ironman2000]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Ghartan wrote:<BR>Mostly good changes for sure but I don't really care for the no trading restriction between players.<BR><BR>One of the things I liked about newbie isle was the trading of all the adept I's and harvest items for collections that would occur. Pity to punish the real people trying to test EQ2 with the Trial on this ability.<BR> <BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE><BR>Its only Trial of the Isle accounts, its not regular accounts.  Most people don't even trade on the Islands, or you could just buy the items you need with your main and put them in your shared bank for your alts.  You can also still trade with people who have regular accounts on the Islands still.