Question on Nek Castle Changes

[Maroger]

<DIV>Ok so Nek Castle is being made into another zone for Level 70 -- as if they didn't have enought already. </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>My question is:</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>1. Will it be an instance?</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>2. If it is not an instance what will be the impact be on levels 20+/30+ trying to complete quests in Nek castle for their level and for Heritage quests -- Like Kill Lord Everling?</DIV>

[Leawyn]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Maroger wrote:<BR> <DIV>Ok so Nek Castle is being made into another zone for Level 70 -- as if they didn't have enought already. </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>My question is:</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>1. Will it be an instance?</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>2. If it is not an instance what will be the impact be on levels 20+/30+ trying to complete quests in Nek castle for their level and for Heritage quests -- Like Kill Lord Everling?</DIV><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE> <P><BR>Nek Castle is already an instance, and already had a higher level (The Return) instance incorporated into it. I believe it will just be another version of the same instance that should have no bearing on completing any of the other instances or the HQ's involved in them.</P> <P>Why such hate for level 70 characters? It can get pretty boring doing the same 4 instances and 7 raids over and over and over. This will just bring them something else to do. So... quit the hate.</P>

[EtoilePirate]

The new one is a different instance of Nek Castle than either the 30ish or the 50ish zones.  It has a different, though very nearby, entrance.It's also a serious 6-person level-70 good-gear zone (mobs are 69-71... in the first two rooms).  It's not your standard slash 'n' burn; it requires strategy and thinking and some nice pulling (and two healers for most groups, those encounters hit hard) and on the whole it's some of the most fun I've had exploring a new zone in a long time.Don't worry.  It's a nice addition to end-game gameplay and it will not adversely affect the level 30 and level 50 crowd in any way that I can think of.<div></div>

[Pins]

Hrm, does it require access like Nek: The Return did?  Or will we just be able to zone into it.  Also is there any lore to go with it that starts outside?

[Moorgard]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Pinski wrote:<BR> Hrm, does it require access like Nek: The Return did?  Or will we just be able to zone into it.  Also is there any lore to go with it that starts outside?<BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE> <P><BR>No access quest required.</P> <P>The lore for this instance has already been in (and about) the game for a while. Check out the Lore board for more details.</FONT></P>

[selch]

<blockquote><hr>Moorgard wrote:<div></div><blockquote><hr>Pinski wrote:<div></div>Hrm, does it require access like Nek: The Return did?  Or will we just be able to zone into it.  Also is there any lore to go with it that starts outside?<hr></blockquote><p>No access quest required.</p><p>The lore for this instance has already been in (and about) the game for a while. Check out the Lore board for more details.</p><hr></blockquote>Excuse my ignorance but did "The Return" part ever get touched since LU13 ? Seriously, the mobs there had health like epics even as heroics and dealing 3000 damage in a blink, death in 2 shots as being green to L60 tank. This stats was 3 months ago, and don't think it ever changed.<p>Message Edited by selch on <span class=date_text>07-28-2006</span> <span class=time_text>02:16 PM</span>

[Mareth]

<div><blockquote><hr>Moorgard wrote:<div></div> <blockquote> <hr> Pinski wrote: <div></div>Hrm, does it require access like Nek: The Return did?  Or will we just be able to zone into it.  Also is there any lore to go with it that starts outside? <hr> </blockquote> <p>No access quest required.</p> <p>The lore for this instance has already been in (and about) the game for a while. Check out the Lore board for more details.</p><hr></blockquote>Aww, but I love access quests! They're usually the ones with the best lore! <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />Though the one for Nek: The Return didn't have that much lore, it was a refreshing quest, seeing as it didn't involve any mindless killing <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />But give us more quests like the Cauldron Hollows access quest! I didn't do it before it was grey (when I could solo all of it), but oh, the lore!</div>

[Snarks]

Maybe we get to use our idol of everling's from that quest >_________< <div></div>

[Cusashorn]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Moorgard wrote:<BR> <BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Pinski wrote:<BR> Hrm, does it require access like Nek: The Return did?  Or will we just be able to zone into it.  Also is there any lore to go with it that starts outside?<BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE> <P><BR>No access quest required.</P> <P>The lore for this instance has already been in (and about) the game for a while. Check out the Lore board for more details.</P><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE> <P><BR>I have a feeling that the Idol of Everling I discovered will come into play in this...</P> <P> </P> <P>At least, I hope it does.</P>

[CrazedMut]

Not to sound like a party pooping [expletive haxx0red by Raijinn], but I SINCERELY hope that the loot is better in this instance compared to Nek: The Return, taking into account risk vs. reward. Just a few chances for legendary/masters would be enough.

[Snarks]

nek: return loot owned, -20% dps on a weapon debuff that works on epics? gg too bad it never worked or id still use it <img src="/smilies/9d71f0541cff0a302a0309c5079e8dee.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /><img src="/smilies/9d71f0541cff0a302a0309c5079e8dee.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /><img src="/smilies/9d71f0541cff0a302a0309c5079e8dee.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /><img src="/smilies/9d71f0541cff0a302a0309c5079e8dee.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /> <div></div>

[Gertack_v2]

<div><blockquote><hr>snarkteeth wrote:nek: return loot owned, -20% dps on a weapon debuff that works on epics? gg too bad it never worked or id still use it <img src="/smilies/9d71f0541cff0a302a0309c5079e8dee.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /><img src="/smilies/9d71f0541cff0a302a0309c5079e8dee.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /><img src="/smilies/9d71f0541cff0a302a0309c5079e8dee.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /><img src="/smilies/9d71f0541cff0a302a0309c5079e8dee.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /> <div></div><hr></blockquote>Yeah, the loot was awesome.  Too bad it pretty much never dropped.</div>

[Lornick]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> EtoilePB wrote:<BR>The new one is a different instance of Nek Castle than either the 30ish or the 50ish zones.  It has a different, though very nearby, entrance.<BR><BR>It's also a serious 6-person level-70 good-gear zone (mobs are 69-71... in the first two rooms).  It's not your standard slash 'n' burn; it requires strategy and thinking and some nice pulling (and two healers for most groups, those encounters hit hard) and on the whole it's some of the most fun I've had exploring a new zone in a long time.<BR><BR>Don't worry.  It's a nice addition to end-game gameplay and it will not adversely affect the level 30 and level 50 crowd in any way that I can think of.<BR> <BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE>So would you consider it somewhere in between Halls of Fate and Nizara, City of the Nayad difficulty wise?  That's really what I'm hoping for.  If so i'll be in heaven.<BR><BR>

[Gungo]

<DIV>I would like it to be as hard as Nizara personally, but then again nizara cna be hard an frustrating for alto of people. Even my best runs clearign the entire zoen w me as a bruiser tankign i still died 2 times. The zoen can be buggy sometimes and mobs agro through floors walls. But i love the zone its a real challange and a sense of accomplishment coems when u defeat it. Its nto really that hard of a zone you jsut have to figure out the mobs wanderign paths and hoe to handle each named . I love nizara i love the loot. I hope Nek castle is just as good. </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>they nerfed HOF way to much. I rember it requiring 2 healers. Now i jus twent in w 4 people. ranger bruiser zerk and mystic. the mystic did not even need to cure debilitate. Mobs dropped in liek 15 secs and we cleared the entire zoen w 4 people in under an hour w/o any deaths. They made HoF from a difficult zone to a casual zone i would say its more suited for people lvl 68 then 70 now. </DIV><p>Message Edited by Gungo on <span class=date_text>07-29-2006</span> <span class=time_text>10:16 AM</span>

[EtoilePirate]

<div><blockquote><hr>Lornick wrote:<div></div><blockquote><hr> EtoilePB wrote:The new one is a different instance of Nek Castle than either the 30ish or the 50ish zones.  It has a different, though very nearby, entrance.It's also a serious 6-person level-70 good-gear zone (mobs are 69-71... in the first two rooms).  It's not your standard slash 'n' burn; it requires strategy and thinking and some nice pulling (and two healers for most groups, those encounters hit hard) and on the whole it's some of the most fun I've had exploring a new zone in a long time.Don't worry.  It's a nice addition to end-game gameplay and it will not adversely affect the level 30 and level 50 crowd in any way that I can think of. <div></div> <hr>So would you consider it somewhere in between Halls of Fate and Nizara, City of the Nayad difficulty wise?  That's really what I'm hoping for.  If so i'll be in heaven.</blockquote><hr></blockquote>That sounds like about where I'd put it difficulty-wise, yeah.  I hear you can't do Nizara successfully without a chanter.  I'm pretty sure you can do the new Nek without one (we haven't finished it yet, just forayed) but you do definitely have to pick your group, think about what you're doing and why, and be very careful how you go about it.  Like any zone, the more you do it the easier it'll seem, but it should present a challenge at least the first couple of times you go in, based on what I've seen.  <img src="/smilies/8a80c6485cd926be453217d59a84a888.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />You aren't going to need people entirely in fabled or anything, but from my first impression, legendary gear and Adept III skills are probably your baseline.</div>

[scl]

<blockquote><hr>Gertack wrote:<div><blockquote><hr>snarkteeth wrote:nek: return loot owned, -20% dps on a weapon debuff that works on epics? gg too bad it never worked or id still use it <img src="/smilies/9d71f0541cff0a302a0309c5079e8dee.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /><img src="/smilies/9d71f0541cff0a302a0309c5079e8dee.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /><img src="/smilies/9d71f0541cff0a302a0309c5079e8dee.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /><img src="/smilies/9d71f0541cff0a302a0309c5079e8dee.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /><div></div><hr></blockquote>Yeah, the loot was awesome.  Too bad it pretty much never dropped.</div><hr></blockquote>Thats a good thing! And certainly something more zones could use <img src="/smilies/8a80c6485cd926be453217d59a84a888.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />

[Cowdenic]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> scl wrote:<BR><BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Gertack wrote:<BR> <DIV><BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> snarkteeth wrote:<BR>nek: return loot owned, -20% dps on a weapon debuff that works on epics? gg too bad it never worked or id still use it <img src="/smilies/9d71f0541cff0a302a0309c5079e8dee.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /><img src="/smilies/9d71f0541cff0a302a0309c5079e8dee.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /><img src="/smilies/9d71f0541cff0a302a0309c5079e8dee.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /><img src="/smilies/9d71f0541cff0a302a0309c5079e8dee.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /><BR><BR> <BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE><BR>Yeah, the loot was awesome.  Too bad it pretty much never dropped.<BR></DIV><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE><BR>Thats a good thing! And certainly something more zones could use <img src="/smilies/8a80c6485cd926be453217d59a84a888.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE><BR>There is a difference between rare and never.

[Glendral]

<div></div>The drop rates in the level 50 Nektropos Castle were actually updated in LU 25, you should find them a little more friendly then "never." <span>:smileyvery-happy:I think this info may have missed the update notes somehow.</span><div></div><p>Message Edited by Glendral on <span class=date_text>08-01-2006</span> <span class=time_text>10:51 AM</span>

[tuli]

<blockquote><hr>Glendral wrote:<div></div>The drop rates in the level 50 Nektropos Castle were actually updated in LU 25, you should find them a little more friendly then "never." <span>:smileyvery-happy:I think this info may have missed the update notes somehow.</span><div></div><p>Message Edited by Glendral on <span class=date_text>08-01-2006</span> <span class=time_text>10:51 AM</span><hr></blockquote>Just curious, has the mobs in there been looked at their health & damage ratio if they are mislabeled as "Heroic" instead of "Epic" ?

[Cowdenic]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Glendral wrote:<BR> The drop rates in the level 50 Nektropos Castle were actually updated in LU 25, you should find them a little more friendly then "never." <SPAN>:smileyvery-happy:<BR><BR>I think this info may have missed the update notes somehow.<BR></SPAN><BR> <P>Message Edited by Glendral on <SPAN class=date_text>08-01-2006</SPAN> <SPAN class=time_text>10:51 AM</SPAN><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE><BR>That is info people might have wanted and great to hear.

[CrazedMut]

<div><blockquote><hr>Glendral wrote:<div></div>The drop rates in the level 50 Nektropos Castle were actually updated in LU 25, you should find them a little more friendly then "never." <span>:smileyvery-happy:I think this info may have missed the update notes somehow.</span><div></div><p>Message Edited by Glendral on <span class="date_text">08-01-2006</span> <span class="time_text">10:51 AM</span></p><hr></blockquote>Correct. Better loot table certainly gives me some motivation to go in there, was shocking before.</div>

[Sacra Magice]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> tulien wrote:<BR><BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Glendral wrote:<BR> The drop rates in the level 50 Nektropos Castle were actually updated in LU 25, you should find them a little more friendly then "never." <SPAN>:smileyvery-happy:<BR><BR>I think this info may have missed the update notes somehow.<BR></SPAN><BR> <P>Message Edited by Glendral on <SPAN class=date_text>08-01-2006</SPAN> <SPAN class=time_text>10:51 AM</SPAN><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE><BR><BR><BR>Just curious, has the mobs in there been looked at their health & damage ratio if they are mislabeled as "Heroic" instead of "Epic" ?<BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE><BR>Sooo true, something is wrong with the mobs in there. I was there a few days ago (70 wizard with a 60 assassin duoing)... Or the giant we tried to kill was bugged with like three extra zeros of hps or they are definetly misslabeled. A critical fusion of 12k, Ice novas of 8k+... and his life was going down sooo slowly that we had to leave.

[selch]

<blockquote><hr>Sacra Magice wrote:<BLOCKQUOTE><HR>tulien wrote:<BLOCKQUOTE><HR>Glendral wrote:The drop rates in the level 50 Nektropos Castle were actually updated in LU 25, you should find them a little more friendly then "never." <SPAN>:smileyvery-happy:I think this info may have missed the update notes somehow.</SPAN><P>Message Edited by Glendral on <SPAN class=date_text>08-01-2006</SPAN> <SPAN class=time_text>10:51 AM</SPAN><HR></BLOCKQUOTE>Just curious, has the mobs in there been looked at their health & damage ratio if they are mislabeled as "Heroic" instead of "Epic" ?<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>Sooo true, something is wrong with the mobs in there. I was there a few days ago (70 wizard with a 60 assassin duoing)... Or the giant we tried to kill was bugged with like three extra zeros of hps or they are definetly misslabeled. A critical fusion of 12k, Ice novas of 8k+... and his life was going down sooo slowly that we had to leave.<hr></blockquote>Definitely L55 Epicx2 having lesser health than a simple golem there and doing lesser damage to very same roster we went to both.<p>Message Edited by selch on <span class=date_text>08-02-2006</span> <span class=time_text>02:57 AM</span>

[Nupr]

<DIV>Went in there today and cleared the place out.  Drop rate seems to still be set at NEVER.  We did get one steel chest though, it dropped off one of the trash dogs in the beginning.   I think that was pretty much what used to happen before LU25, trash dropped steel and named dropped wood.  The 10+ named mobs we killed dropped wood, except for the Bishop fella who dropped absolutely nothing.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Also the little key things you get off some of the mobs seem useless now.  They just open up empty boxes where they used to at least open up the boxes and you got a free piece of cash loot.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>On the bright side we got a discovery in there from the named Maid.  Is that a new mob or do people really ignore Nek50 that much?</DIV>

[eversilence1]

<P>i have to say the lvl 50 zone of the castle is so overpowered can we plz get a devs response on this issue</P> <P>they are like epics and cant get anywhere in it  </P> <P>if nothings done its huge waste like tier 6 as there is hardly anything good that drops or anything to get</P>

[Tomanak]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Nupren wrote:<BR> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>On the bright side we got a discovery in there from the named Maid.  Is that a new mob or do people really ignore Nek50 that much?</DIV><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE> <P><BR>Id vote for option 2 <img src="/smilies/8a80c6485cd926be453217d59a84a888.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /></P> <P>The amount of time it takes to work through this zone due to the inordinately high HP of the mobs versus the marked lack of drops makes this zone a waste of time. Especially now that there are other zones for the level 50s to run...</P>

[Cowdenic]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Tomanak wrote:<BR> <BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Nupren wrote:<BR> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>On the bright side we got a discovery in there from the named Maid.  Is that a new mob or do people really ignore Nek50 that much?</DIV><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE> <P><BR>Id vote for option 2 <img src="/smilies/8a80c6485cd926be453217d59a84a888.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /></P> <P>The amount of time it takes to work through this zone due to the inordinately high HP of the mobs versus the marked lack of drops makes this zone a waste of time. Especially now that there are other zones for the level 50s to run...</P><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE><BR>I thought the zone was great. We 5 manned the zone way back when 50 was the cap, and did it in under 2 hours. Hmmm, maybe there is a new problem with the zone. I would be willing to mentor with either my Templar or my warlock on befallen and go check it out.

[RaphaNissi]

My friends and I went through as a 58illusionist, 58 inquis, and 62 fury (she tanked) which made the mobs all green tp us.  It took some skill, but we got all the way to Lord Everling.  We have since done it with a 58 assassin tanking for us.  We got plenty of metal chests (no masters).  The two golems at the begining were the roughest part.  Luckily, there are only two of them in the zone.  It was nice to have a bit of a challenge. <img src="/smilies/8a80c6485cd926be453217d59a84a888.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /><div></div>

[Yarginis]

I went in with a trio @ 60 and we got all the way to everling. The hardest part were the golems at the beginning because of their massive hp, but we actually duo'd them (fury/dirge) before we called in a tank to make the rest of the zone go faster. Took us about 15 minutes per mob to duo em (snaring the mob and having it chase the dirge in circles while we uber-conserved power and he range auto-attacked it while i used a clicky wand to nuke) but we got em down... <div></div>