SK Harm Touch in PVP

[Reptilianb]

<DIV>what about slightly reducing the "I WIN INSTANTLY BUTTON IF YOU ARE LOWER LEVEL" in pvp</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>lol.. SK out cry inc</DIV>

[Mabes]

Wrong forum for this bud, and also there's like a gazillion posts on that, amongst other abilities.

[Rattfa]

<div><blockquote><hr>Reptilianboy wrote:<div>what about slightly reducing the "I WIN INSTANTLY BUTTON IF YOU ARE LOWER LEVEL" in pvp</div> <div> </div> <div>lol.. SK out cry inc</div><hr></blockquote>erm, how about not.</div>

[Zearo]

Its on a very long reuse, and if you are fighting SKs who only pvp when its up, shame on them.

[3C HAVOK]

<div></div>Just make sure that you get gear that has STA on it to bump up your hp and get some resists on your gear. I play a mage and yellow sks that HT me only hit me for about 600 hp on avg(im level 25). Since you are a q and you are going to pvp get your poi and de resists up, use the training ones you get at the levels and look for gear that has them on it you will need it for the sks, necros, defilers and warlocks you face. <div></div><p>Message Edited by 3C HAVOK on <span class=date_text>07-27-2006</span> <span class=time_text>07:20 AM</span>

[Knesh]

Isn't the whole point of PVP to NOT make everything balanced? In that classes actually out-balance each other and rely on how to play your class. There are plenty of things that can eat the HT, like wards and isn't the HT disease based? Can't you just attempt to outright resist it or at least some of it with disease based gear? Once you get through the HT he wont be able to use it for what 15mins? I mean if you dont like the HT then maybe you would get mad if you got a paladin down to 5% health and LOHed back to 80% health, would you cry fowl? How about this the fact that they can again get to 55-65% health yet again with another LOH line but reduced. Some classes should be feared. You shouldn't be able to take them all.... Glad I dont play PVP...

[Carter]

I have no problem with it because of the long timer and the ability to get resists for it. I will say its annoying though when you are lvl 12-16 and you get with hit with it because its almost guaranteed to be a one shot kill<div></div>

[Arieneth]

<P>if you don't like getting HT'd, get more disease resist. at lvl 70, with a master 2 HT, i've hit people for 600 dmg. don't complain about a 15 min reuse spell when you can easily reduce it's effect on you. same thing with Ice Nova or any other big hit.</P>

[scl]

Hey, lets nerf Decap, Ice Nova, Dispatch, Evac, Rift, Snipershot, etc, etc. In fact, lets nerf any ability that you can't do, would that please you?

[Elephant]

<P>I have been HarmTouched yesterday for the first time in my life. Yes I died. But I really have no problem with dying. It does not hurt me e-p#nis, you know.</P> <P>So I just ressed, went back and pwned that SK bad while his HT was down, and got my money and fame back.</P> <P>I'd say, leave it as it is.</P> <P>Anyway SKs can't see sh't, so in most cases and with most classes you have to attack them to get HarmTouched. And that's their "last resort"...</P> <P>Believe me, my swashy's Track is far more powerful ability than that, believe me... I soon will have 200 kills with only 11 death due to track (and I don't even have EVAK yet, as I am only 22). And only 1 deaths of those 11 where due to HT. But there are definitely over 10 SKs in those 200 kills. :smileyhappy:</P>

[GegolianBadbain]

<DIV>I'm not trying to flame but what a wasteful complaint. Its only useable every 15min, and half the time unless it is a SK at lvl 25 with his master HT it's likely not going to be an instant kill. It'll deal for the average player 35% of their targets hp, and for the select ones with Adept 1 it'll be more like 50% and with a master its around 65-70% but either way, its only on one person. Not like it's an AE....</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Please Devs, there is nothing wrong with HT infact do not touch it at all. Sierously.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>btw: your swashi would be beyond dead if I caught his [Removed for Content]. And your comment about not seeing anything is wrong... remember see invis totems ftw.</DIV><p>Message Edited by GegolianBadbain on <span class=date_text>07-29-2006</span> <span class=time_text>09:48 PM</span>

[Cusashorn]

<DIV>I remember Harm Touch in EQlive on the Rallos Zek server. It was an instant kill if the SK had the right AA points invested. This, and Bow damage. They had to nerf the system so that no spell can do more than 2/3rds of a person's maximum health so people couldn't greif others with instant kills.</DIV>

[GegolianBadbain]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Cusashorn wrote:<BR> <DIV>I remember Harm Touch in EQlive on the Rallos Zek server. It was an instant kill if the SK had the right AA points invested. This, and Bow damage. They had to nerf the system so that no spell can do more than 2/3rds of a person's maximum health so people couldn't greif others with instant kills.</DIV><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE><BR>AAs weren't even introduced until PoP... and considering the RZ server is much older then that :smileyvery-happy:

[Reptilianb]

<DIV>The problem with a scout being able to evac, or a paladin being able to LoH is that you can't do any of these when u r dead... </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>in my opinion, i think the Harm Touch line should do the same dmg except DoT, but in something like 7seconds... or should take 7seconds to cast and make a distinguishing sound... so we at least have a chance. </DIV> <DIV>Only for pvp mind u.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Just my thought.</DIV>

[gnarkill]

please......brigands need to be looked at pvp wise above all else<div></div>

[GegolianBadbain]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Reptilianboy wrote:<BR> <DIV>The problem with a scout being able to evac, or a paladin being able to LoH is that you can't do any of these when u r dead... </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>in my opinion, i think the Harm Touch line should do the same dmg except DoT, but in something like 7seconds... or should take 7seconds to cast and make a distinguishing sound... so we at least have a chance. </DIV> <DIV>Only for pvp mind u.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Just my thought.</DIV><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE> <P><BR>Well your thoughts suck, stop b17ching about nerfing a class you can't kill because you suck. IMO no classes are unbalanced, its the [expletive haxx0red by Raijinn] behind the screens who can't play their toons. Harm touch is not that effective and infact I only use it in a last ditch effort to get that final bit of dps I need.</P> <P>Infact, while we are at it. Nerf evac, nerf heals, nerf our internet connction and for the love of god nerf my bills. I'm sick of having to pay them, they are unfair and unbalanced.</P> <P>God, [expletive haxx0red by Raijinn] up already about HT, I'm an SK and I am telling you, its not that great. Get past lvl 20 for once on a toon and you'll realize that its not. </P>

[Reptilianb]

<P>last poster.. chill out.</P> <P>I'm talking about pvp mr lvl25 sk</P> <P> </P> <P>edit: In pvp at lvl45  with 1000 ish dis resist, i die instantly 90% of the time from an SK HT'ing me.</P><p>Message Edited by Reptilianboy on <span class=date_text>07-31-2006</span> <span class=time_text>12:44 PM</span>

[Pins]

<blockquote><hr>Reptilianboy wrote: <P>last poster.. chill out.</P> <P>I'm talking about pvp mr lvl25 sk</P> <P> </P> <P>edit: In pvp at lvl45  with 1000 ish dis resist, i die instantly 90% of the time from an SK HT'ing me.</P><p>Message Edited by Reptilianboy on <span class=date_text>07-31-2006</span> <span class=time_text>12:44 PM</span><hr></blockquote> Solution, get 3000 disease resist.

[Elephant]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Pinski wrote:<BR><BR>Solution, get 3000 disease resist.<BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE> <P>Correct solution, and this will also help you against Necroses, there are even more necroses than SKs.</P> <P>Another solution, DON'T ATTACK SK. :smileyhappy:</P> <P>BTW yesterday I killed lvl 28 SK with my lvl 25 swashy no probs. He was chasing Orange guy, so I figured HT was not up :smileyvery-happy:</P> <P>SK is really an easy kill without HT up...<BR></P><p>Message Edited by Elephanton on <span class=date_text>08-01-2006</span> <span class=time_text>11:56 AM</span>

[Wrytched]

<P>Isn't it amusing that people are paranoid about a class that has a special ability that can be used once every 15 minutes?</P> <P>What about the paladin's lay of hands?</P> <P>Which class do you play?  I bet you have a special skill or ability that makes your class better than someone else's at some point in time.</P> <P>Harm Touch is the biggest joke in history.  In EQ1 it was useful, in EQ2, it's a slap in the face.  It's almost worthless, especially when you have other classes and can do 3-5x's more damage or better heals every 3-5 minutes.</P> <P>You know what... watch the SK, the next time he wins a fight, jump him, you have a 50% chance his/her HT is down.</P>

[Cusashorn]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> GegolianBadbain wrote:<BR> <BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Cusashorn wrote:<BR> <DIV>I remember Harm Touch in EQlive on the Rallos Zek server. It was an instant kill if the SK had the right AA points invested. This, and Bow damage. They had to nerf the system so that no spell can do more than 2/3rds of a person's maximum health so people couldn't greif others with instant kills.</DIV><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE><BR>AAs weren't even introduced until PoP... and considering the RZ server is much older then that :smileyvery-happy:<BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE><BR>Luclin, actually. They were introduced with Luclin, and even though Harm Touch was indeed powerful in PVP in velious, it was still never an instant kill. It was the introduction of the Harm Touch enhancement AA's for Shadowknights, Archery Mastery for Rangers, and Manaburn for Wizards with the Luclin expansion that really changed everything though.

[Norrsken]

<blockquote><hr>Pinski wrote:<blockquote><hr>Reptilianboy wrote:<div></div> <div></div> <p>last poster.. chill out.</p> <p>I'm talking about pvp mr lvl25 sk</p> <p>edit: In pvp at lvl45  with 1000 ish dis resist, i die instantly 90% of the time from an SK HT'ing me.</p><p>Message Edited by Reptilianboy on <span class="date_text">07-31-2006</span> <span class="time_text">12:44 PM</span></p><hr></blockquote> Solution, get 3000 disease resist.<hr></blockquote>That might be because the sk also can debuff disease. Get some decent resists and you wont be oneshotted. In fact, I am surprised every time my HT deals more tham 40ish% health to someone at mid 40. Otoh, I'd love for everyone to keep focusing on the HT line. Lets the true power of the sk pass by unnoticed.<div></div>

[Malestrom]

<DIV><FONT color=#ff0000>(takes Reptilianboy and throws him in a sack and hides him under a rock)</FONT></DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>I think what Reptilianboy was trying to say is that he feels that Harm Touch is way too much underpowered and needs to be increased! Heck if you re-read his post it almost sounds like he's championing a 2x increase in damage output!:smileytongue:</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV><FONT color=#ff0000>(tries to keep Reptilianboy from coming out of the sack)</FONT></DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>In fact if he were here with us I'm sure he would be promoting my brand new "Help feed a Shadowknight" program.  Yes for just 4 platinum a day you too can feed an SK, and the benefits are endless, but even including:<BR></DIV> <UL> <LI>a free personalized monthly PVP victim delivered right to your door</LI> <LI>your very own monogramed Shadowknight blood dripping Demon Slayer sword keychain</LI> <LI>Insurance (because if you don't pay up well...you're gonna need some!)</LI> <LI>a picture of your favorite SK terrorizing innocent victims</LI></UL> <P><FONT color=#ff0000>(tries to sit on the bag but Reptilianboy almost breaks free)</FONT></P> <P>So please call, these Shadowknights need your help ladies and gentlemen.<BR><BR><FONT color=#ff0000>(Reptilianboy breaks free)</FONT></P> <P>drat! anyone see where Reptilianboy went to?  My Harm Touch is up!:smileytongue:</P><p>Message Edited by Malestrom on <span class=date_text>08-04-2006</span> <span class=time_text>07:06 PM</span>

[MadLordOfMilk]

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