Guild Recruitment upgrades

[Gollum The Great]

<DIV>I love the whole guild recruitment feature.  It is great, but the fact that only the first 15 guilds to log on get shown on it is not fair.  I been in the guild I am in for almost 8 months now, and when the guild recruitment feature came out we were so happy, but since that day we have never appeared on the list of guild recruiters.  It is usually the same 20 guilds that are on there, and the rest of us are stuck shouting and no one really cares for that.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Why not just expand the recruitment page to as many guilds that are recruiting?  Or atleast 50?  Some guilds are logged on for about the whole day so as I stated they always on.</DIV>

[Saihung23]

<P>Holy Cao!</P> <P> </P> <P>Someone other than me making this statement :smileysurprised:</P> <P>I have been beating this poor dead horse silly, its nice to have a little company...I'll take the head and you take...well..you hit anywhere you want <img src="/smilies/69934afc394145350659cd7add244ca9.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /></P> <P> </P> <P>I absolutely 100% concur with the OP.</P> <P>In fact I will go one step further and say it stinks as is, and should be regarded as broken.  Sure, no one wants to say its broken...because that would mean that time and resources need to be devoted to what was termed "a pet project".  Well guess what...your pet project stinks as it stands right now.</P> <P>Fix it, if you cant do that, remove it...perhaps pet projects should be beta tested longer than projects that have a team working on them...just a thought.  Because this tool just flat out stinks as is.</P> <P>Boo I say!  Booooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo oooooooooo.</P> <P>Thanks for the opportunity Gollum <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /></P>

[Saihung23]

<P>Oh...and let me add this....because this post will be moved more than likely.</P> <P> </P> <P>To the mod who moves this post, please write something stating that you are moving it so that it is fresh, at the top of the gameplay discussion forum.  When you move stuff...then it sits at the bottom of the page...no one sees it...you should give every moved post a free bump.</P> <P> </P> <P>Free Bumps for all!</P>

[Orthureon]

I agree with both of you, it is very unfair on my server aswell. Since all the big name guilds are ALWAYS on the recruitment page (they must never sleep) lol. I think they should make it searchable by name and have a page with 25-50 guilds listed and in alphabetical order. I did a /feedback in game about this, I doubt they ever read those, if they do they probably disregard them just as quickly.

[Purg]

i agree it does need improving, and yes they do read feedback, just because YOUR suggestion isn't impliment immediately or ever doesn' disprove that fact.

[LanatirInno]

<P>There is a guild recruitment tool?</P> <P>OHHHHHH....you mean that highscore list for the biggest guilds that always only shows the biggest uberest guilds and never the smaller ones.....I seriously thought that was kind of a ranking of guilds that dont need any members anymore because they already swallowed up basically everyone but my guild.</P>

[Saihung23]

<DIV>Regardless of whether they read the feedback or not.  This issue has been brought up several times.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>The response, after the release of the tool and realization hit home about its limited functionality, was enough to show those in charge of this that it needed to be improved upon.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>If it is going to take 3 mos. or more to fix this thing...then they should have removed it.  I personally think it is a shame to say that...all things considered.  However, it is the truth.  Should one guild go from over 150 members to over 400 in over 3 mos. time because of this tool while the other guilds are status quo?</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Should the smaller guilds have to work harder than the larger guilds to recruit members simply because we are smaller?  HELL NO!</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Smaller guilds should have the same tools and options available to them as every other guild.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>It isnt a matter of when now...its a matter of do they even give a crap.  There has been no word since Silverfrosts post back in April.  And even then it was said that it wasnt working right.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>FIX IT!</DIV>

[Saihung23]

<DIV>Cupcakes are not very good without icing. >.<</DIV><p>Message Edited by Saihung23 on <span class=date_text>07-26-2006</span> <span class=time_text>11:12 AM</span>

[Saihung23]

<DIV>I hate waffles >.<</DIV><p>Message Edited by Saihung23 on <span class=date_text>07-26-2006</span> <span class=time_text>11:11 AM</span>

[Vendathos]

Easy Sai! I have seen a lot of your posts. Please do not let this troll cause this thread to be closed as I totally agree that we need this tool looked into.

[Saihung23]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Vendathos wrote:<BR> Easy Sai! I have seen a lot of your posts. Please do not let this troll cause this thread to be closed as I totally agree that we need this tool looked into.<BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE> <P><BR>/grumble</P> <P>I really hate trolls...he came in under a different posting name and posted the same trash in another thread on this.</P> <P>I cant stand this jerk. I cleaned it up and am wholly sorry...but arrgh....</P> <P>I need a break...just came back from one too...</P> <P>Sorry all, hopefully it doesnt get this thread closed</P>

[Deadly Nightshadow]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> guitarman1000 wrote:<BR> <DIV>you ever think that maybe its not the tool, its you and your guild, maybe you arent that great of a leader and noone wants to fallow you. I can tell from your post that you are a baby. I wouldnt fallow you.</DIV><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE> <P><BR>Now...The bigger guilds have more members, hence more recruiters are <STRONG>always</STRONG> online, hence they are <STRONG>always</STRONG> on the list. As only the 1st 15 are shown, smaller guilds are lucky to be on the list...Now, my guild is lucky- Our leader plays for an insane amount of time and we are nearly always up there with Fable. However, it has nothing to do with leadership. Bigger guilds just get people asking. Smaller guilds actually have to work to do it. That's not right. If one has to work, so should everyone. If one doesn't have to do anything, neither should anyone else; both of these are extremes, and so I'd ask for balance. Say the first guild to log one would be on the top of the list, second second etc, meaning that very small guilds would be on the very last page.</P> <P> </P> <P>Now, as for you guitarman, I don't imagine that you're any older than 12. For one, the argumentative and non-constructive nature of your post (calling the previous poster a baby). Secondly, the grammar. Not <STRONG>that good of a</STRONG> leader? I belive you mean "Not a very good leader". Thirdly, mispelling of simple words. <FONT color=#ff0000>"Fallow". </FONT><FONT color=#ffffff>Now, I could pass that off as a typo, but as it occurs twice and the "o" key is on another row at the other end of my keyboard, there's no chance that it can possibly be. Next time, don't assume that anyone cares about your opinion if all your post serves to do is troll.</FONT></P>

[Galn]

On my server its the two largest guilds that have over 600 and 400 members each, then there are 4-5 high end raid guilds that only accept level 55+ with a note from your grandmother and the rest are a combination of the above, large and/or raid oriented. When the tool was first announced I thought my guild could finally grow some without spamming chat channels, boy was I wrong. None of the medium size guilds can get on the list, so why do I expect my tiny guild to get on there. It does need to be addressed, the dev who designed it said it would be looked into, I sure hope my guild survives that long...

[Gungo]

<P>Um the guild function only needs a search function. Using the preexsisting guild criterias. Such as </P> <P>guild type-</P> <P>Raid- raiding is primary<BR>Casual-mix raiding and questing<BR>Quest- very few raids mostly xp/quest</P> <P>core member lvl range-</P> <P>10-59<BR>60-70<BR>70<BR><BR>guild lvl </P> <P>10<BR>20<BR>30<BR>40<BR>50</P> <P>There should also be a 4th search ability-</P> <P>Mature language<BR>Alternative friendly<BR>Family oriented</P> <P>its actually hard to label guilds and put in a search function, even if they used th esame guild search tool as the soe forums it would be biased. Since the guilds who have the most questeters, most discoviers, most <insert class>, most npc kills, wealthiest etc are generally the more active guilds. </P> <P><BR> </P>

[guitarman1000]

<DIV>All i was trying to do is stop the baby's whining, im sick of all you whiners out there complaining of this and that demanding that SOE fix it fix it, Thats the problem with this game and america for that matter noone cares for your opinion so stop yelling it out any chance you can get.</DIV>

[LanatirInno]

<P>Excuse me please, but you, Sir, are an eeeeeeeeeeeediot.</P> <P>But at least you made me laugh for about 20 minutes about the 'problems america is having'.</P>

[Promythyus]

Stick to the topic at hand folks, and off the bashing/incitement. Thank you.

[Leawyn]

<DIV>I agree the guild tool needs a search feature. Have it simply use the same features the guild uses when advertising. Like this</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Looking For:</DIV> <DIV>Fighter, Priest, Mage, Scout, Tradeskillers (check 1)</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Levels:</DIV> <DIV>1-10, 11-20, 21-30, 31-40, 41-50, 51-60, 61-70 (check all that apply)</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Guild style:</DIV> <DIV>Include every option a guild has to explain themselves. Like "Sometimes our humor hurts us" or "Family Style" or whatever they are. I forget them all now, but there is alot. (Check 3)</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>If this isn't enough, add in guild level, member counts, or whatever else you think would help. I mean someone looking for a small, familiy friendly, guild with similar beliefs will be hard pressed to find what they want with the current system.</DIV>

[Rhona]

<font size="2">I've read<font size="3"> <font size="2">that the tool has some heuristics to match up the toon with the guild.  But I don't think those heruistics are effective, at all.My thirty-something Templar, thirty-something Sage, my primary toon (no current alts at all), created in 200<font size="3">4</font>, uses the tool and gets "Looking for ONE lvl 70" and "Full-time Raiding" and other Uber guilds.  It would seem to be trivailly obvious that my character can not possibly be interested in a minimum six hours per day raiding guild.  Heck, some <b>months </b>she doesn't even log six actively-played hours.  But the tool still returns guilds with average level at or near 70 (including a guild that doesn't allow <b>any </b>alts, according to their web page, just to keep their average level up!) as being a good fit for a thirty-something.  Oh, and one guild it returned was advertising "Not recruiting at this time.  No applications will be accepted." on their web pages.  Not one of the listed guilds was even a possible match.I hope this helps to clarify one player's view of the value of the tool, Rho</font></font></font><div></div>

[Gollum The Great]

<div><blockquote><hr>guitarman1000 wrote:<div>All i was trying to do is stop the baby's whining, im sick of all you whiners out there complaining of this and that demanding that SOE fix it fix it, Thats the problem with this game and america for that matter noone cares for your opinion so stop yelling it out any chance you can get.</div><hr></blockquote>Yeah.  I agree complaining is not always good, but this is a mere suggestion I am making, no one is flaming, and you seem to be the only one with a problem.  Making suggestions is the only way to get things fixed in this game.  This post isn't a complaint.  I just believe the feature needs a bit of a fix, whether or not it is fixed is a different story.  NO ONE is demanding that this be fixed, just stating it would make the guild recruitment for us lower guilds easier, instead of bugging people in game with spamming the ole "Guild looking for more" junk.So please sir if you have NOTHING constructive to add to this post, please stay out of it, and go troll someone else.  Thanks.Now back to this discussion please.   </div>

[Yask]

<P>Agreed, fix it!</P> <P> </P> <P> </P> <P> </P>

[classcfirewor]

I'd like to add my name to the list of disapointed players over this feature.  I thought the addition of this tool would help players find all the guilds not just the ones with the most players.  I would love to see a more robust search feature that allows a player to profile thier requirements and then produces a list of guilds that meet them.

[DarkMirrax]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Deadly Nightshadow wrote:<BR> <BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> guitarman1000 wrote:<BR> <DIV>you ever think that maybe its not the tool, its you and your guild, maybe you arent that great of a leader and noone wants to fallow you. I can tell from your post that you are a baby. I wouldnt fallow you.</DIV><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE> <P><BR>Now...The bigger guilds have more members, hence more recruiters are <STRONG>always</STRONG> online, hence they are <STRONG>always</STRONG> on the list. As only the 1st 15 are shown, smaller guilds are lucky to be on the list...Now, my guild is lucky- Our leader plays for an insane amount of time and we are nearly always up there with Fable. However, it has nothing to do with leadership. Bigger guilds just get people asking. Smaller guilds actually have to work to do it. That's not right. If one has to work, so should everyone. If one doesn't have to do anything, neither should anyone else; both of these are extremes, and so I'd ask for balance. Say the first guild to log one would be on the top of the list, second second etc, meaning that very small guilds would be on the very last page.</P> <P> </P> <P>Now, as for you guitarman, I don't imagine that you're any older than 12. For one, the argumentative and non-constructive nature of your post (calling the previous poster a baby). Secondly, the grammar. Not <STRONG>that good of a</STRONG> leader? I belive you mean "Not a very good leader". Thirdly, mispelling of simple words. <FONT color=#ff0000>"Fallow". </FONT><FONT color=#ffffff>Now, I could pass that off as a typo, but as it occurs twice and the "o" key is on another row at the other end of my keyboard, there's no chance that it can possibly be. Next time, don't assume that anyone cares about your opinion if all your post serves to do is troll.</FONT></P><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE> <P><BR>haha made me laugh ! </P> <P>Guess we dont have this problem on spitpaw server <img src="/smilies/8a80c6485cd926be453217d59a84a888.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /> i always see fable and our guild up and about 15 empty spaces lol</P>

[Deadly Nightshadow]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> DarkMirrax wrote:<BR> <BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Deadly Nightshadow wrote:<BR> <BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> guitarman1000 wrote:<BR> <DIV>you ever think that maybe its not the tool, its you and your guild, maybe you arent that great of a leader and noone wants to fallow you. I can tell from your post that you are a baby. I wouldnt fallow you.</DIV><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE> <P><BR>Now...The bigger guilds have more members, hence more recruiters are <STRONG>always</STRONG> online, hence they are <STRONG>always</STRONG> on the list. As only the 1st 15 are shown, smaller guilds are lucky to be on the list...Now, my guild is lucky- Our leader plays for an insane amount of time and we are nearly always up there with Fable. However, it has nothing to do with leadership. Bigger guilds just get people asking. Smaller guilds actually have to work to do it. That's not right. If one has to work, so should everyone. If one doesn't have to do anything, neither should anyone else; both of these are extremes, and so I'd ask for balance. Say the first guild to log one would be on the top of the list, second second etc, meaning that very small guilds would be on the very last page.</P> <P> </P> <P>Now, as for you guitarman, I don't imagine that you're any older than 12. For one, the argumentative and non-constructive nature of your post (calling the previous poster a baby). Secondly, the grammar. Not <STRONG>that good of a</STRONG> leader? I belive you mean "Not a very good leader". Thirdly, mispelling of simple words. <FONT color=#ff0000>"Fallow". </FONT><FONT color=#ffffff>Now, I could pass that off as a typo, but as it occurs twice and the "o" key is on another row at the other end of my keyboard, there's no chance that it can possibly be. Next time, don't assume that anyone cares about your opinion if all your post serves to do is troll.</FONT></P><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE> <P><BR>haha made me laugh ! </P> <P>Guess we dont have this problem on spitpaw server <img src="/smilies/8a80c6485cd926be453217d59a84a888.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /> i always see fable and our guild up and about 15 empty spaces lol</P><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE> <P><BR>Thanks <img src="/smilies/283a16da79f3aa23fe1025c96295f04f.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />....Just realised though...I spelt believe wrongly....Sometimes I miss out letters if I'm in a hurry to post- unfortunately, it really does make me look like an absolute hyppocrit as it's the sentence before the spelling rant. </P> <P>Also, I think that the 15 guilds on SP are the only 15 guilds <img src="/smilies/283a16da79f3aa23fe1025c96295f04f.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /> The others just haven't figured out recruitment yet.....</P>

[Saihung23]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> guitarman1000 wrote:<BR> <DIV>All i was trying to do is stop the baby's whining, im sick of all you whiners out there complaining of this and that demanding that SOE fix it fix it, Thats the problem with this game and america for that matter noone cares for your opinion so stop yelling it out any chance you can get.</DIV><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE> <P></P> <HR> <P>To guitarman:</P> <P><BR>I am trying...seriously...I am trying not to comment.  I think your lack of an argument, save "im sick of all you whiners out ther complaining", says it all. </P> <P>The fact that you think you "yelling" (how do you yell on a forum?  Its done with capital letters right? Yeah...I do that alll the time /rolls eyes) is any better than what I and others are doing just lets me know that you are indeed just a child.  You think your insults make your statement any more legitimate are laughable.</P> <P>You goaded me into responding in as insulting a manner as I could and I wont do that again.  I do believe that YOU need to grow up. </P> <P></P> <HR> <P>Now, I think some posters brought up fine points, if a search feature could be implemented into this tool then it would give it some usefullness for the guilds who are never up on the list.</P> <P>Search for guild level seems good.  Maybe search for keywords in a guilds self description, i.e. group, solo, training, raid, casual, hardcore....</P> <P>Also, maybe search parameters to include if it is an evil or good guild.</P> <P>There is alot that can be added or modified to make this tool worthwhile and not some great tool for the few.</P> <P> </P>

[Hawk The Slayer]

<P>I agree with the OP.</P> <P>I have been in contact with ppl about turning the guild recruiting off??? but no-one seems to know how.</P> <P>the only way we can do it is to take everyones recruiting rights away, there should be a box that the </P> <P>guild leader can tick (and im not talking about the one you click for your own screen) that stops </P> <P>the guild recruiting.</P> <P>Any (helpful) suggestions??</P> <P> </P>

[Leawyn]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Deadly Nightshadow wrote:<BR> <BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> DarkMirrax wrote:<BR> <BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Deadly Nightshadow wrote:<BR> <BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> guitarman1000 wrote:<BR> <DIV>you ever think that maybe its not the tool, its you and your guild, maybe you arent that great of a leader and noone wants to fallow you. I can tell from your post that you are a baby. I wouldnt fallow you.</DIV><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE> <P><BR>Now...The bigger guilds have more members, hence more recruiters are <STRONG>always</STRONG> online, hence they are <STRONG>always</STRONG> on the list. As only the 1st 15 are shown, smaller guilds are lucky to be on the list...Now, my guild is lucky- Our leader plays for an insane amount of time and we are nearly always up there with Fable. However, it has nothing to do with leadership. Bigger guilds just get people asking. Smaller guilds actually have to work to do it. That's not right. If one has to work, so should everyone. If one doesn't have to do anything, neither should anyone else; both of these are extremes, and so I'd ask for balance. Say the first guild to log one would be on the top of the list, second second etc, meaning that very small guilds would be on the very last page.</P> <P> </P> <P>Now, as for you guitarman, I don't imagine that you're any older than 12. For one, the argumentative and non-constructive nature of your post (calling the previous poster a baby). Secondly, the grammar. Not <STRONG>that good of a</STRONG> leader? I belive you mean "Not a very good leader". Thirdly, mispelling of simple words. <FONT color=#ff0000>"Fallow". </FONT><FONT color=#ffffff>Now, I could pass that off as a typo, but as it occurs twice and the "o" key is on another row at the other end of my keyboard, there's no chance that it can possibly be. Next time, don't assume that anyone cares about your opinion if all your post serves to do is troll.</FONT></P><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE> <P><BR>haha made me laugh ! </P> <P>Guess we dont have this problem on spitpaw server <img src="/smilies/8a80c6485cd926be453217d59a84a888.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /> i always see fable and our guild up and about 15 empty spaces lol</P><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE> <P><BR>Thanks <img src="/smilies/283a16da79f3aa23fe1025c96295f04f.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />....Just realised though...I spelt believe wrongly....Sometimes I miss out letters if I'm in a hurry to post- unfortunately, it really does make me look like an absolute hyppocrit as it's the sentence before the spelling rant. </P> <P>Also, I think that the 15 guilds on SP are the only 15 guilds <img src="/smilies/283a16da79f3aa23fe1025c96295f04f.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /> The others just haven't figured out recruitment yet.....</P><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE><BR>Wow.... You spelled so many words wrong on that post, it really does make you look like a fool for bashing someone for spelling follow wrong. I actually know a few people who spell it like that. Drives me crazy, but doesn't make em a 12 year old either.

[Gollum The Great]

I am glad this topic is getting positive feedback, and also that is have yet to be moved to another forum =).Maybe it means they are actually planning on doing something.  Anyhow keep up the good feedback, I like the idea for guild recruitment searches.Also to turn guild recruitment off you just unclick the box that say "Recruit members for your guild" in the persona window, believe it is under details, or options.   <div></div>

[Magic]

<P>Is there a way for me to search through all of the guilds on a particular server to learn about everything that I need to know in order to select the guild that is right for my playing style and schedule?</P> <P>Seeing the top 15 guilds on a list just doesn't cut it for me.</P>

[Saihung23]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Aljola wrote:<BR> <P>Is there a way for me to search through all of the guilds on a particular server to learn about everything that I need to know in order to select the guild that is right for my playing style and schedule?</P> <P>Seeing the top 15 guilds on a list just doesn't cut it for me.</P><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE> <P><BR>Nope, Sorry Aljola.  When this tool was created it was decided that an algorithm would be made that would choose for you which guild was best suited for you.</P> <P>So, when you take your level 20...or level 30...or even level 50 unguilded character and try to find a guild....it will bring up whatever it decides is best for you.  From experience, I have found that alot of raiding guilds who dont even want anything to do with a low level character are what pops up.</P> <P>Sure...there might be one guild up there that is not your end game raiding guild...but how did that string of code decide that this was the best one for you?  Simply put...it is the best one for everyone.</P> <P>So...stop worrying about having to think and decide for yourself...this tool thinks for you.  I am waiting for the tool that is implemented that will remove the need to even be at the keyboard to play.  It will just decide which quests I want to pursue, which crafting I want to do...then I can just read all day long and not worry about EQ2.</P>

[123bli]

How about a guild search?I mean, to be honest, there seem to be 3 types of guild?Raid/Casual/Roleplay, that would be a start.Guilds could PUT in their restrictions (Level, and the classes they want) so players could search through the guilds quicker to find a list of the appropriate ones.<div></div>

[Saihung23]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> 123bling wrote:<BR>How about a guild search?<BR><BR>I mean, to be honest, there seem to be 3 types of guild?<BR><BR>Raid/Casual/Roleplay, that would be a start.<BR><BR>Guilds could PUT in their restrictions (Level, and the classes they want) so players could search through the guilds quicker to find a list of the appropriate ones.<BR> <BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE> <P><BR>Nope...no search function...</P> <P>Guilds can put in their wants based on classes and level...but it doesnt matter...the algorithm will decide what 15 guilds will be listed.  As far as I have been able to tell, after experimenting with my unguilded alts, it is the SAME 15 no matter what.</P> <P>Only 15 will be listed.  You have no control in the selection of which 15 guilds are up there.</P> <P>As far as what you are saying about the search feature, I agree...it would be fantastic to see that.  Then perhaps it would benefit all guilds and players alike.</P>

[Saihung23]

<P>what is going on with this thread?  It read as 21 unread posts for me...shows a second page...and on the second page nothing...</P> <P>/shrug </P> <P>wierdness all around today</P> <P> </P> <P>***Edit***</P> <P>And murphy's law kicks in.  I make a post regarding its odd behavior...and the thread corrects itself to make an [Removed for Content] of me >.<</P><p>Message Edited by Saihung23 on <span class=date_text>08-02-2006</span> <span class=time_text>08:55 AM</span>

[Gollum The Great]

<div><blockquote><hr>Saihung23 wrote:<div></div> <div></div> <p>what is going on with this thread?  It read as 21 unread posts for me...shows a second page...and on the second page nothing...</p> <p>/shrug </p> <p>wierdness all around today</p> <p>***Edit***</p> <p>And murphy's law kicks in.  I make a post regarding its odd behavior...and the thread corrects itself to make an [Removed for Content] of me >.<</p><p>Message Edited by Saihung23 on <span class="date_text">08-02-2006</span> <span class="time_text">08:55 AM</span></p><hr></blockquote>Looks like someone deleted some posts?  I know there were way more posts than what is being shown at the moment.Anyhow I have an update on my behalf with my experience on the Guild Recruitment.  I actually got on the darn list, but was booted off minutes later by a higher guild with more people.  I do not think that is right.  Not even giving me a chance to stay on the list, mad me sad =(</div>

[Saihung23]

<P>rofl...I see what it is...the poster formerly known as Guitarman has been removed from the thread along with my rash replies to him.</P> <P>Thanks kindly Mods.  I was pretty embarrassed by those replies, even after editing them down to nonsense (yeah...I know that is most of my posts).</P> <P>It seems it was cleaned up nicely...</P>

[Oakum]

<DIV>It would probably be more productive if their were 2 sets of numbers listed on the guild description.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Number of characters in the guild/number of accounts in the guild.</DIV> <DIV>Average guild character lvl/average highest lvl character on account.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>I think those numbers can be used more accurately by someone looking for a guild. Then they would not be dissappointed that my guild, for example, has and average lvl of mid 20's but without alts it would be listed as much higher.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>There would be less dissatisfied people because new players would be able to see that they would probably be xping or getting help from experienced players, playing alts and/or also know that they might not have a lot of guildies on that are their lvl sometimes.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>It would make their decision making process a little better when someone looks at the find guild tool.</DIV>

[Saihung23]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Oakum wrote:<BR> <DIV>It would probably be more productive if their were 2 sets of numbers listed on the guild description.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Number of characters in the guild/number of accounts in the guild.</DIV> <DIV>Average guild character lvl/average highest lvl character on account.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>I think those numbers can be used more accurately by someone looking for a guild. Then they would not be dissappointed that my guild, for example, has and average lvl of mid 20's but without alts it would be listed as much higher.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>There would be less dissatisfied people because new players would be able to see that they would probably be xping or getting help from experienced players, playing alts and/or also know that they might not have a lot of guildies on that are their lvl sometimes.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>It would make their decision making process a little better when someone looks at the find guild tool.</DIV><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE> <P>Hiya Oakum <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /></P> <P>I agree, that would be nice information to have on there...BUT...</P> <P>That would only be nice if it gave the unguilded person the ability to see more guilds than they are currently seeing now.  As it stands now, being able to only see 15 guilds out of over a hundred is hardly giving any choice whatsoever.</P> <P>They need to make it so that you can filter what you will bring up, but limiting the shown guilds to 15 is too narrow.  (add to that the borked code or whatever choosing the same frickin guilds for every char.)</P> <P>I personally dont see how they can fix it.  I think it would have to be built from the ground up again to have any useful functionality and be fair in it.</P> <P>I would love to see them prove me wrong, but as it stands right now they are happy to go status quo.</P> <P>Good idea on information to have on guilds though.<BR></P>

[Oakum]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Saihung23 wrote:<BR> <BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Oakum wrote:<BR> <DIV>.</DIV><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE> <P>Hiya Oakum <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /></P> <P>I agree, that would be nice information to have on there...BUT...</P> <P>That would only be nice if it gave the unguilded person the ability to see more guilds than they are currently seeing now.  As it stands now, being able to only see 15 guilds out of over a hundred is hardly giving any choice whatsoever.</P> <P> </P><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE>Hello Saihung. I left that part off because it has been mentioned in pretty much every other post I have seen. I agree that it is needed though. I just wanted to add my other thoughts. <BR>

[Saihung23]

<DIV>Sorry <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />  I beat that horse so much my arm just swings at it naturally now lol</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>I just want to see something constructive done...</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>I do like the idea <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />  I wish the dev's would take anything for this or Silverfrosts thread that is constructive and run with it.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>One can hope.</DIV>

[Magic]

<DIV>This is a little off-topic but can anyone tell me how many guilds are on the Test server?  Is there a web site where a list of them can be found?  This in-game guild utility doesn't seem good enough to help me.</DIV>

[Uanelven]

<div><blockquote><hr>Hawk The Slayer wrote:<div></div> <p>I agree with the OP.</p> <p>I have been in contact with ppl about turning the guild recruiting off??? but no-one seems to know how.</p> <p>the only way we can do it is to take everyones recruiting rights away, there should be a box that the </p> <p>guild leader can tick (and im not talking about the one you click for your own screen) that stops </p> <p>the guild recruiting.</p> <p>Any (helpful) suggestions??</p> <hr></blockquote>If the GL right clicks members in the roster they should be able to assign/revoke guild recruiting permission.</div>

[Lord Montague]

<DIV>Seems pretty cut and dry to me - the guild recruitment feature is incomplete.  The biggest gap I think is just the lack of parameterized search capabilities.  As it stands, you're given a list based on whatever search algorythm that's being used (allegedly), and if none of the guilds that come up match your requirements then, well, you're just out of luck.  I don't know, call me crazy but how does one go about searching for a guild this way if you can't really search?</DIV>

[Ebjelen]

True, true. But building the simple tool we have now was a lot easier than buidling the more complex tool. Particularly, we need a competent tool that isn't going to break everything else involved with guilds. We also need one that is going to put minimal load on the DB for thos people that like to hit "U" several times a second. I would expect there will be a limit as to how often you could use such a tool. maybe only once every 10 seconds or so. (An eternity for some folks.) As for releasing the simple tool, should we have forgotten all about handsaws until power tools were invented? Necessity is the mother of Invention. [not my words <span>:smileyvery-happy:</span>]  Should we have waited 60 years for electric cars to come out rather than make so much use of combustable engines. [ok, bad example] Maybe we should have skipped oars while we waited for boat propellers. I sometimes wonder why people still use oars. <div></div>

[Felshades]

i just want to be able to tell the dang thing what i want, and not what it wants me to have.lvl 70/50 and i must be against soe's little agenda, because i dont want a 24/7 raid guild and thats all it shows for me.  my lvl 9 brigand however, gets the guilds that ive never heard of, that have like three members and dont want anyone else.   system is beyond borked imo.<div></div>

[Uanelven]

<div></div><div><blockquote><hr>Felshades wrote:i just want to be able to tell the dang thing what i want, and not what it wants me to have.<div></div><hr></blockquote>This is basically what it all boils down to.   Any tool such as this <b>must</b> have this at its core and if not then its incomplete and failing in its purpose.  </div><p>Message Edited by Uanelven on <span class=date_text>08-09-2006</span> <span class=time_text>12:54 AM</span>

[Gollum The Great]

<P>They stated in the last House of Commons they are working on a fix for this, and they know it is no complete!</P> <P> </P> <P>Hooray for House of Commons!</P>

[Saihung23]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Gollum The Great wrote:<BR> <P>They stated in the last House of Commons they are working on a fix for this, and they know it is no complete!</P> <P> </P> <P>Hooray for House of Commons!</P><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE> <P><BR>that's Great!  Do you have a linky?</P> <P>Also, it seems to me that they have been "working on the algorithm" since they put it in game...not trying to be overly critical here...but cripes....that's been a long time...at least give us an algorithm we can dance to in the mean time...one with a good back beat.</P>

[Coca-Cola Driver]

<DIV>Hey there i found this finally...</DIV> <DIV>im a guild leader and i  stay logged in 24/7 and my guild has never been there but once</DIV> <DIV>that's the day we set it up for the posting </DIV> <DIV>CUT it out or fix it</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>and BTW we hit 30 today </DIV> <DIV>WOOT for us</DIV>

[Saihung23]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Coca-Cola Driver wrote:<BR> <DIV>Hey there i found this finally...</DIV> <DIV>im a guild leader and i  stay logged in 24/7 and my guild has never been there but once</DIV> <DIV>that's the day we set it up for the posting </DIV> <DIV>CUT it out or fix it</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>and BTW we hit 30 today </DIV> <DIV>WOOT for us</DIV><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE> <P><BR>Grats on 30! we are almost there...</P> <P> </P> <P>We also have our first new recruits in over 2 mos., I will quiz the players who brought them in to see how it happened.  My guess though is that they were helping them out.  Since they are mostly new to EQ2 entirely.</P> <P>I will be SHOCKED if they found us through the guild recruitment tool.  If so though, I will readily admit it.  Doubt it is so though.</P> <P>Again, grats on 30 Coca Cola Driver and I agree wholeheartedly.</P> <P> </P>

[Sirlutt]

its flat out useless to the people who really need it.. guilds who arent lvl 50 and full of lvl 70 players.Allow us to specify the level of players we want, so that the guild shows up to those level players when they search.Allow us to specify individual classes we need.Allow more than 15 guilds to show up.  People should be able to put in detailed search parameters and return a full list of guilds that meet their criteria.  For instance I might be looking for a lvl 40+ guild who needs a lvl 70 assassin, is alt friendly, raids 4 nights a week.  I should be able to search for that.<div></div>

[Coca-Cola Driver]

<P><FONT color=#ff0000 size=5>OK... Aug 16 system rebooted and me and my guild were the 3rd one to log into game and looked and guild recruiting and we were 3rd on list and i watched over the next hour as our guild went 3 to 5 to 7 to 14. . .off the page and the SAME GUILDS there that are there every day there AGAIN </FONT></P> <P><FONT color=#ff0000 size=7>FIX THIS PROBLEM SOE</FONT></P> <P><FONT color=#ff0000 size=7></FONT> </P>

[Saihung23]

<P>Good test there Driver.</P> <P> </P> <P>I am never really around for reboots and could not test something like that.  I am not sure I could take seeing us up there...then lower and lower till we finally dissappeared..that would just [Removed for Content] me off royally.</P> <P>I think that is something the devs ought to take note of...</P> <P>Thanks for posting that.</P>