Inspecting Players

[Darkflame2]

<DIV>Inspecting Players since the last update has been harder then ever. Sometimes it just never allows you, sometimes you need to be really close and click on them 50 times as they are targeted, and sometimes it's done within a few clicks.</DIV>

[Qaeadyen]

Yes, alot fo people are complaining about this issue. I noticed it last night.

[Ama]

Well Inspecting players sort of bypasses the roleplaying/anonymous tag allowing you to see the players level, what gear they have, their stats and such.  I'm really wondering if the devs are going to implement a "No Inspect" tag which I hope they don't. 

[Gertack_v2]

Make a macro:/inspect_player %tWorks every time.<div></div>

[Pins]

It's just lag causing the issue.

[Cusashorn]

<DIV>Just as long as they dont put in any messages that tells you that someone is inspecting your gear, like in EQlive, then I don't care how they leave it.</DIV>

[cr0wangel]

<div><blockquote><hr>Amana wrote:<div></div>Well Inspecting players sort of bypasses the roleplaying/anonymous tag allowing you to see the players level, what gear they have, their stats and such.  I'm really wondering if the devs are going to implement a "No Inspect" tag which I hope they don't. <hr></blockquote>Why you hope they don't? I understand that inspecting others is useful, you can learn about gears and items and compare your character to them. But I think the players who don't want to be inspected (because they roleplay and want to hide their info), should have an option for it. Why not? It's after all, a personal choice. (Well, not currently, we don't have this option).</div>

[Magic]

<P>When I have my anonymous and role playing tags up, it's because I don't want anyone to know my class or level and I don't want to be bothered about it.  I don't want anyone to be able to figure it out by any means.  Otherwise, what good is having those tags?  (It's a rhetorical question.)</P> <P>Here's my wish list for the anonymous function:</P> <P>1.  I con as a level 0 Commoner to anyone mousing over or targeting me.</P> <P>2.  Inspection is totally blocked and gives message: "not allowed."</P> <P>3.  Hide my armor and all gear and appear visually as wearing only my default clothing.</P> <P>4.  My pet is completely non-existant to everyone.</P> <P>Devs, please implement those changes as soon as you can.  Thanks!</P> <P>If I want to allow inspection and go back to normal, I'd simply uncheck my anonymous box.</P>

[Leawyn]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Aljola wrote:<BR> <P>When I have my anonymous and role playing tags up, it's because I don't want anyone to know my class or level and I don't want to be bothered about it.  I don't want anyone to be able to figure it out by any means.  Otherwise, what good is having those tags?  (It's a rhetorical question.)</P> <P>Here's my wish list for the anonymous function:</P> <P>1.  I con as a level 0 Commoner to anyone mousing over or targeting me.</P> <P>2.  Inspection is totally blocked and gives message: "not allowed."</P> <P>3.  Hide my armor and all gear and appear visually as wearing only my default clothing.</P> <P>4.  My pet is completely non-existant to everyone.</P> <P>Devs, please implement those changes as soon as you can.  Thanks!</P> <P>If I want to allow inspection and go back to normal, I'd simply uncheck my anonymous box.</P><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE><BR>I hope you're kidding. I would never invite you into a group if I had no way to verify you are what class you say you are. I'm perfectly ok with anon/role blocking your class/level when inspecting, but why on earth should it remove your inventory, remove your pet and change your level to 0?

[Grim67]

Maybe at that time they don't want other players to know what level or class they at the moment.  Like me when I just harvesting for nodes, i don't want to be bother, you got some rude players who gives you ninja invites to a group when you not looking for a group.  I have a couple times i be harvesting and next thing i know BOOM  a pop up comes saying "Name" has invited you to join group so and so.  It got to the point when i harvest anymore, I go to option and check mark the box decline groups when I harvest anymore and uncheck it  when I ready to group again.  Hate that, when i want a group i announced in it zone.  So keep roleplaying up, let me hide my class and level as for inspecting my gear go ahead i don't care about that.  In eq1 it didnt bother me about my gear.

[Finora]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Grim67 wrote:<BR> Maybe at that time they don't want other players to know what level or class they at the moment.  Like me when I just harvesting for nodes, i don't want to be bother, you got some rude players who gives you ninja invites to a group when you not looking for a group.  I have a couple times i be harvesting and next thing i know BOOM  a pop up comes saying "Name" has invited you to join group so and so.  It got to the point when i harvest anymore, I go to option and check mark the box decline groups when I harvest anymore and uncheck it  when I ready to group again.  Hate that, when i want a group i announced in it zone.  So keep roleplaying up, let me hide my class and level as for inspecting my gear go ahead i don't care about that.  In eq1 it didnt bother me about my gear.<BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE> <P><BR>Heh rp/anon doesn't stop people from inviting me to groups several zones away. Not sure how they find my name, but I know I can be happily churning out some rosewood slings and BAM group invite from people in Bonemire. Makes no sense to me, but I've actually gotten fewer blind invites since I decided to take off the RP tag (for other reasons, people RP doesn't mean I want to cyber?)</P> <P>As far as inspecting goes, as long as they don't add the someone is inspecting you spam (like someone else said) I'm okay with how it is. </P>

[Abyssi]

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[Gertack_v2]

<div><blockquote><hr>Aljola wrote:<div></div> <p>When I have my anonymous and role playing tags up, it's because I don't want anyone to know my class or level and I don't want to be bothered about it.  I don't want anyone to be able to figure it out by any means.  Otherwise, what good is having those tags?  (It's a rhetorical question.)</p><hr></blockquote>Then I wander over to eq2players and look your profile up to figure it out...Or check your guild roster...</div>

[SalBlu]

As far as I know, Anonymous and Roleplaying are tags that only have any real use in the player search systems.  If i'm there standing in front of you, there should be no reason why I cant look at your gear.  You're standing right in front of me, so why wouldnt I be able to see your gear.  Level hiding would be easier to understand, but not gear... its in plain sight.

[Lindar Phamoncry]

<DIV>I actually wouldnt mind if people werent able to inspect someone jsut passing by... but imagine the headache of running a raid and not being able to compare MT's for MIT/Resists/etc... now it has to be done on the fly and jsut hope that they are the better one as 24 people depend on it!</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>not to mention the folks you group with that roll on EVERYTHING after NBG has been agreed too saying its better than what they have... and who are you to argue... because you cant see</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>inspecting people in group is needed to keep people honest and to fulfil basic gameplay functions as simple as knowing if the groupmate would benefit from a certain buff that I can cast</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>oh heck... jsut fix it and leave it alone =P</DIV>

[Magic]

<P>My requests are real!  Let me explain.</P> <P>When I'm playing in solo mode, I enable my role playing and anonymous tags for privacy, or what little I can get.  I don't want to be bothered about grouping, buffing, healing, water breathing stones, chatting, or anything.  Just leave me alone so that I can go about my business (usually farming or skill raising).</P> <P>The less you know about my class and level, the better.  I don't want anybody standing next to me to figure out what I am.  If you can see my armor, you will figure out that I'm either a scout, fighter, priest, or mage.  If you can see my pet, you'll get a clue as to what I am.  If you go through the trouble of figuring out my class and level from a web site or guild roster, then so be it.  But if you bother me when I'm in anonymous and role playing mode, you're going to be put on my ignore list.  I value my privacy but I don't have it with the way things are now.</P> <P>On the other hand, if I have my LFG tag up, I'll disable anonymous and role playing so that everyone can find me by class and level if they want to.  When I'm playing in a group, I expect us all to disable the anonymous tag so that our classes and levels can be verified by all.  That's only fair to the group.</P> <P>I realize that this is a MMORPG so there are going to be people around.  I'm cool with that.  Just don't bother me when I'm playing solo.  I'll announce when I'm ready to group and will come out of hiding.  </P> <P>If only there was a SOLO flag that would do all of this for me.  Sigh!</P><p>Message Edited by Aljola on <span class=date_text>07-24-2006</span> <span class=time_text>06:20 PM</span>

[Ebjelen]

<P>In an RP sense, how can you look at someone irl and not know what they're wearing? Most modern clothing has labels proclaiming the maker i.e. reebok shoes or levi jean, maybe a polo shirt from old navy. For sure, us old foggies don't advertise our underwear, so I could see some things being private. And I certainly don't want starnegrs grabbing my hand to look over my jewelry.</P> <P>Also, equipment is a great discussion topic completely in role. For example, the blacksmith in Knight's Tale putting her mark on Sir Ulrich's new style (higher level?) armor that was lighter thus allowing greater flexibility of movement (agility?), so that other knights would bring their business to her.</P> <P>It's so nice to bring a lot of imagination into play. Unfortunately most of us bring our paranoia as well. We forget that in many cultures it is not only rude, but a hostile gesture.</P> <P>So inspection yes, but from a respectable distance. A lot less information?</P> <P> </P>

[Severed Ha]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Aljola wrote:<BR> <P>My requests are real!  Let me explain.</P> <P>When I'm playing in solo mode, I enable my role playing and anonymous tags for privacy, or what little I can get.  I don't want to be bothered about grouping, buffing, healing, water breathing stones, chatting, or anything.  Just leave me alone so that I can go about my business (usually farming or skill raising).</P> <P>The less you know about my class and level, the better.  I don't want anybody standing next to me to figure out what I am.  If you can see my armor, you will figure out that I'm either a scout, fighter, priest, or mage.  If you can see my pet, you'll get a clue as to what I am.  If you go through the trouble of figuring out my class and level from a web site or guild roster, then so be it.  But if you bother me when I'm in anonymous and role playing mode, you're going to be put on my ignore list.  I value my privacy but I don't have it with the way things are now.</P> <P>On the other hand, if I have my LFG tag up, I'll disable anonymous and role playing so that everyone can find me by class and level if they want to.  When I'm playing in a group, I expect us all to disable the anonymous tag so that our classes and levels can be verified by all.  That's only fair to the group.</P> <P>I realize that this is a MMORPG so there are going to be people around.  I'm cool with that.  Just don't bother me when I'm playing solo.  I'll announce when I'm ready to group and will come out of hiding. </P> <P>If only there was a SOLO flag that would do all of this for me.  Sigh!</P> <P>Message Edited by Aljola on <SPAN class=date_text>07-24-2006</SPAN><SPAN class=time_text>06:20 PM</SPAN><BR></P> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE> <P>Lol... Im all for allowing people to Solo when they want to and all that.... But some of what you ask for is well.. I wont go there....  If I happen to be running around and notice a player with no gear is lvl 0 and the mobs appear to be attacking something invisible.. Then the first thing that would come to my mind is .. Gee.. I wonder what Hack this guy is running.</P> <P>Beyond that though.. If your /anon or /role then go ahead and hide that characters Level.  As for Items and Gear nope.. thats in plain site. You dont get this magical barrier that forms around you that hides all this.  As a player character I will be able to see what you are wearing and from that I can get my conclussions on what you are.  If I happen to notice that you are wearing nothing but Cloth gear then I would guess that you are a Caster of some sorts.. What kind.. dont know. Enless you have a pet out then I would say your a Conj/Necro.  Beyond that Im not to sure of what type you are enless I look at your Buffs.(In roleplay/anon Buffs should be disabled from view enless in group/raid/guild)</P> <P>As for you wanting to play completely and totally Solo and with out anyone bothering your at all then there are other games out there that one can play and do this.. This is after all like you stated.. A MMORPG..  From the sounds of it you must have a very large list of names on your Ignore list because there are plenty of times that I have been out and about soloing and just wanting to kill some time that people have come up and asked me something or another.. This in essence according to what I am getting from your post would be "disrupting" my game play.</P> <P>I can see it now.. Your running around killing mobs and some other player comes up and says Hi.. You immediatly put him on Ignore.  You type in.. "Welcome to Ignore".  That player then is looking at your very confused now.. Since all he was going to do is ask you simply.. Do you know where the nearest Gnoll camp is at.</P> <P>Bah.. its totally useless to even bother typing anymore.. with that my good sir I bid you farewell and one more thing.. Welcome to /ignore.</P><p>Message Edited by Severed Hand on <span class=date_text>07-24-2006</span> <span class=time_text>07:26 PM</span>

[Jooneau]

Personally, I hate how EQ and EQ2 have bastardized the meaning of "roleplay" with their "roleplaying" flag. They should really call that flag something other than "roleplaying" or just get rid of it altogether. Isn't the "anonymous" flag enough?

[Wraithstalker]

<blockquote><hr>Aljola wrote:<P>My requests are real!  Let me explain.</P><P>When I'm playing in solo mode, I enable my role playing and anonymous tags for privacy, or what little I can get.  I don't want to be bothered about grouping, buffing, healing, water breathing stones, chatting, or anything.  Just leave me alone so that I can go about my business (usually farming or skill raising).</P><P>The less you know about my class and level, the better.  I don't want anybody standing next to me to figure out what I am.  If you can see my armor, you will figure out that I'm either a scout, fighter, priest, or mage.  If you can see my pet, you'll get a clue as to what I am.  If you go through the trouble of figuring out my class and level from a web site or guild roster, then so be it.  But if you bother me when I'm in anonymous and role playing mode, you're going to be put on my ignore list.  I value my privacy but I don't have it with the way things are now.</P><P>On the other hand, if I have my LFG tag up, I'll disable anonymous and role playing so that everyone can find me by class and level if they want to.  When I'm playing in a group, I expect us all to disable the anonymous tag so that our classes and levels can be verified by all.  That's only fair to the group.</P><P>I realize that this is a MMORPG so there are going to be people around.  I'm cool with that.  Just don't bother me when I'm playing solo.  I'll announce when I'm ready to group and will come out of hiding.  </P><P>If only there was a SOLO flag that would do all of this for me.  Sigh!</P><p>Message Edited by Aljola on <span class=date_text>07-24-2006</span> <span class=time_text>06:20 PM</span><hr></blockquote>I'm fail to fathom why hiding an identify would mean so much to an individual. Why not no about your class? There are probably tens if not 100's of characters extremely similar to yours. Its hard to comprehend why 'people bothering you' is such a big deal, it is a MMORPG after all. Do you give any consideration for the people you might have 'bothered' at some point in the past when they were doing something. Imagine if everyone was 'busy' or 'soloing' all the time. In all my time playing this and EQ, i've never spoke to anyone who didn't want to be disturbed, who couldn't just say, "can you give me 30 mins" or something along those lines.This ain't a solo game bud, never gonna be. My advise is that if you want not to be disturbed, log off and stick in your Oblivion CD. It appears to be better suited to your playstyle.

[Uanelven]

<div><blockquote><hr>Aljola wrote:<div></div> <div></div> <p>My requests are real!  Let me explain.</p> <p>When I'm playing in solo mode, I enable my role playing and anonymous tags for privacy, or what little I can get.  I don't want to be bothered about grouping, buffing, healing, water breathing stones, chatting, or anything.  Just leave me alone so that I can go about my business (usually farming or skill raising).</p> <p>The less you know about my class and level, the better.  I don't want anybody standing next to me to figure out what I am.  If you can see my armor, you will figure out that I'm either a scout, fighter, priest, or mage.  If you can see my pet, you'll get a clue as to what I am.  If you go through the trouble of figuring out my class and level from a web site or guild roster, then so be it.  But if you bother me when I'm in anonymous and role playing mode, you're going to be put on my ignore list.  I value my privacy but I don't have it with the way things are now.</p> <p>On the other hand, if I have my LFG tag up, I'll disable anonymous and role playing so that everyone can find me by class and level if they want to.  When I'm playing in a group, I expect us all to disable the anonymous tag so that our classes and levels can be verified by all.  That's only fair to the group.</p> <p>I realize that this is a MMORPG so there are going to be people around.  I'm cool with that.  Just don't bother me when I'm playing solo.  I'll announce when I'm ready to group and will come out of hiding.  </p> <p>If only there was a SOLO flag that would do all of this for me.  Sigh!</p><p>Message Edited by Aljola on <span class="date_text">07-24-2006</span> <span class="time_text">06:20 PM</span></p><hr></blockquote>You have all the tools to ensure you aren't bothered.   Don't accept group invites,  Don't accept guild invites,  /ignore player_x .If that isn't enough then you can always use the /camp command.  That will remove you from the server altogether,  sweet eh?</div>

[Dessellion4]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> SalBluee wrote:<BR> As far as I know, Anonymous and Roleplaying are tags that only have any real use in the player search systems.  If i'm there standing in front of you, there should be no reason why I cant look at your gear.  You're standing right in front of me, so why wouldnt I be able to see your gear.  Level hiding would be easier to understand, but not gear... its in plain sight.<BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE> <P><BR>When they introduce cloaks an inability to check out gear will make more sense.  </P> <P>The man in the corner shrouded in a huge black cloak - Who is he?  </P>

[Devilsbane]

<DIV>Non inspection of gear is a great idea! While they are at it take away all the armor skins on the models too. Leave everyone in the dark on what your wearing. /sarcasm off </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>But seriously the in ability to inspect more the one person at a time (been unable to for over a year now) should be changed back.</DIV>

[Finora]

<P>And if people 'bothering you' with tells and such while you are out and about is such a big problem, throw up an AFK tag with a message telling people to bugger off.</P> <P>I know when I've been in a bad mood and didn't want to talk to any one but still wanted to play that is what I've done. Put up afk and typed something like 'Bad mood, leave me alone" or something similar. </P> <P>I would like a better solution for that, like a do not disturb flag, but then again with some people that might just be an invitation to harrass. Other than that I think it works fine just how it is. </P> <P> </P>

[Magic]

<DIV> <DIV>First, let me defend myself.  I'm actually a very friendly person in real life and <FONT size=+0>have fewer than 10 names on all ignore lists combined.  I do not "/ignore" anyone for hailing me but I discourage chatting when I'm busy, such as while farming recipe books for all 6 alts or capping my skills.  I enjoy having other players around, especially when I'm LFG.  I consider it rude to inspect without permission or pester someone for buffs or information.  I already have several checkboxes checked to disable group invites, guild invites, and so forth.  </FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT size=+0></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT size=+0>The only feature that I haven't used for privacy is the AFK tag.  I think that it's silly to be killing things with that tag up, it's like people leaving their turn signals on after they turn a corner.  But I've forgotten mine a few times on my motorcycle, so I'll try that AFK idea.</FONT></DIV> <DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>So gettting back to my main points:</DIV> <DIV> </DIV></DIV> <DIV>1. We already have the option to show or hide our helm or hood.  I want it extended to our armor and gear as well.</DIV> <P>2. Just add a checkbox in our Persona Details tab to disallow inspection by others.</P> <P>Those two features are all that I ask for.  I am otherwise very happy with the game as it is.  However, this isn't an urgent request.  Fix the other problems in the game.  There doesn't seem to be very much support in favor of increased anonymity.</P> <P>Thanks to all for your input on this matter!!!</P></DIV>

[frisco4]

I'm nosey please fix this!!!!!<div></div>

[Orthureon]

Hmm well what if you were in illusion form? That would be pretty neat, if you were using a Totem of the Bear it would show bear fur in your armor slots and claws as weapons lol. Go anon or rp with illusion form and it shows no level and your illusion for stuff. Since people have been saying "you are in plain sight", but what if you are in a different form?

[Magic]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Orthureon wrote:<BR> Hmm well what if you were in illusion form? That would be pretty neat, if you were using a Totem of the Bear it would show bear fur in your armor slots and claws as weapons lol. Go anon or rp with illusion form and it shows no level and your illusion for stuff. Since people have been saying "you are in plain sight", but what if you are in a different form?<BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE> <P><BR>Yeah!  Like he said!!!!  :smileyvery-happy:  It made me laugh for real, by the way!</P> <P>In my defense, we already have the option to show or hide our helm or hood.  I want it extended to our armor and gear as well.  Our hood and helm are in plain sight, yet cannot be seen.  Just don't hide my default pants!!!  :smileysurprised:  I want to appear like a Commoner, not a streaker.</P> <P>If they can add a checkbox in our Persona Details tab to disallow inspection by others, that would fulfill my wishes.</P> <P>Those two features are all that I ask for.  I am otherwise very happy with the game as it is.</P> <P>I have fewer than 10 names on all ignore lists combined.  I do not ignore anyone for hailing me but I discourage chatting when I'm busy, such as while farming recipe books and master spells for all 6 alts.  I enjoy having other players around, especially when I'm LFG.  I consider it rude to inspect without permission or pester someone for buffs or information.  I want to choose when I want to be totally private.  These features would do that for me.  But if I'm the only player on this planet who wants this, there's no sense in SOE spending any money or time on it.<BR></P>

[Xerxess]

<blockquote><hr>Aljola wrote:<BR><BLOCKQUOTE><HR>Orthureon wrote:<BR>Hmm well what if you were in illusion form? That would be pretty neat, if you were using a Totem of the Bear it would show bear fur in your armor slots and claws as weapons lol. Go anon or rp with illusion form and it shows no level and your illusion for stuff. Since people have been saying "you are in plain sight", but what if you are in a different form?<BR><HR></BLOCKQUOTE><P><BR>Yeah!  Like he said!!!!  :smileyvery-happy:  It made me laugh for real, by the way!</P><P>In my defense, we already have the option to show or hide our helm or hood.  I want it extended to our armor and gear as well.  Our hood and helm are in plain sight, yet cannot be seen.  Just don't hide my default pants!!!  :smileysurprised:  I want to appear like a Commoner, not a streaker.</P><P>If they can add a checkbox in our Persona Details tab to disallow inspection by others, that would fulfill my wishes.</P><P>Those two features are all that I ask for.  I am otherwise very happy with the game as it is.</P><P>I have fewer than 10 names on all ignore lists combined.  I do not ignore anyone for hailing me but I discourage chatting when I'm busy, such as while farming recipe books and master spells for all 6 alts.  I enjoy having other players around, especially when I'm LFG.  I consider it rude to inspect without permission or pester someone for buffs or information.  I want to choose when I want to be totally private.  These features would do that for me.  But if I'm the only player on this planet who wants this, there's no sense in SOE spending any money or time on it.<BR></P><hr></blockquote>I don't understand though...how would disallowing people to inspect you be so bad, you won't really know when they inspect and its not hard to ignore them if they ask you a question.

[Magic]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Xerxess wrote:<BR><BR>I don't understand though...how would disallowing people to inspect you be so bad, you won't really know when they inspect and its not hard to ignore them if they ask you a question.<BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE> <P>I think that you may have mixed things up a bit.  You start by supporting it and then you end with telling me not to worry about it.  But I think you meant to say "how would allowing people to inspect you be so bad."  But I'm not meaning to nitpick.</P> <P>As I said above, it's rude to inspect anyone without permission.  How would you like it if I lifted your skirt and unbuttoned your blouse (if female), or opened your shirt and pulled down your pants (if male) to see your underwear?  Is that not rude?  Inspecting me is like looking at my underwear.  I want to know if you're doing it and I like the option to prevent it when I want to.</P> <P>I want the option to DISABLE it too, at will.  Then I can prove to my groupmates that I am what I claim to be for Need Before Greed groups.  So let me toggle it.  Just because it's there doesn't mean that everyone is forced to use it.  If you want to be inspected all the time, leave yourself open.  If you want privacy, block it.  Your choice.  I like having options.</P>

[Xerxess]

Yeah I worded that wrong lol I see what your saying though, to me if you pull down someone's pants or lift up someone's skirt you will go to jail, in EQ2 its just way of people going to see your cool lewtz.Though comparing something from medieval times to todays would be hard, different time then.

[Thrilmil]

People who want privacy should have the option to it I think.However..."I don't want anybody standing next to me to figure out what I am. If you can see my armor, you will figure out that I'm either a scout, fighter, priest, or mage. If you can see my pet, you'll get a clue as to what I am."Don't summon your pet, strip naked, problem solved. But not whilst people can still get your class/level via /inspect. Whilst I do find /inspect useful when comparing things like mitigation with other tanks to see who makes the best MT, I think people should not be able to just inspect you at any time and know all your stats, equipment and everything else about you. When I look at a person in the street, I have no idea what they do for a living, or how strong, agile or intelligent they are. Though I can get an idea if they're sneezing a lot that their disease resistance is not so great! But as I say, it should be optional. After all /role and /anon are optional, so why not privacy?

[Magic]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Thrilmil wrote:<BR>People who want privacy should have the option to it I think.<BR><BR>However..."I don't want anybody standing next to me to figure out what I am. If you can see my armor, you will figure out that I'm either a scout, fighter, priest, or mage. If you can see my pet, you'll get a clue as to what I am."<BR><BR>Don't summon your pet, strip naked, problem solved. But not whilst people can still get your class/level via /inspect. Whilst I do find /inspect useful when comparing things like mitigation with other tanks to see who makes the best MT, I think people should not be able to just inspect you at any time and know all your stats, equipment and everything else about you. When I look at a person in the street, I have no idea what they do for a living, or how strong, agile or intelligent they are. Though I can get an idea if they're sneezing a lot that their disease resistance is not so great! But as I say, it should be optional. After all /role and /anon are optional, so why not privacy?<BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE> <P>Yeah!  My points exactly!  Thank you!</P> <P>I already strip down to my default clothing and not cast my pets when I want to be private.</P> <P>When in a group, I don't want to hide anything and don't mind being inspected.</P>

[Oakum]

<DIV>Have to agree with the other post here. The only reason a person would want to hide what they are wearing that makes sense is if they are in a group and don't want someone to know they are lying about claiming need for an item. Otherwise, it makes no sense.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>In RP you will be seen by in whatever you are wearing by anyone standing near you. If you have nothing equiped, that is what will be seen.</DIV>

[Solar_Fla]

<P>Alright I can see both sides of the coin. I just don't understand why someone should know when they are being inspected. If someone is checking me out on the street and I can't see them how do I know they are checking me out? Also the only possible purpose for "knowing" when someone is inspecting you is so that you can get [Removed for Content] off and yell at them for inspecting you. Perhaps it might not be "culturally" acceptable in some places in RL but I think your confusing RL with a <FONT size=6><STRONG>GAME!</STRONG></FONT><FONT size=3> The culture of the game is random for every server and location. To say your "culture" is greater than mine or someone elses is to put it bluntly Arrogant and selfish. (not saying that your insinuating that, but your statements come off a bit arrogant, like your better than everyone else so they shouldn't be allowed to know who and what you are. just the impression i get is all).</FONT></P> <P><FONT size=3>Anonimity (sp) is not something afforded to people in a MMORPG for the simple fact SOE WANTS us to work together and be in groups more often than naught. I understand your desire for privacy but you have all the tools in the game to be able to prevent unwelcomed disturbances. You can even make a Macro that does the very thing ya want.</FONT></P> <P><FONT size=3>/afk I am busy right now </FONT></P> <P><FONT size=3>/anon</FONT></P> <P><FONT size=3>Its that simple, if you can't stand to be around other people in a game it might be best to move to a less populated server, join a "reclusives anonymous" club or play something with less personal interaction. </FONT></P> <P>The worst thing about FFXI was the inspecting message cause even if you did it accidenatly some japanese person is gonna go ape on you for just looking at them. I am sorry but the only thing that causes is poor relations with people and allows you to be angry more often for pointless reasons. </P> <P>The roleplay aspect is interesting yes. However till they come out with a "shroud" or something along those lines to "hide" your gear so that people have to inspect you to find out what you have on then your just S.O.L. The thing people fail to realize when they play these games is that the whole driving purpose around it is that your SUPPOSED to interact with people on a daily basis if not more so. </P> <P>Basicly what it comes down to is that if you want to be anti social and get annoyed with people these types of entertainment are just going to give you a headache every time you log on. I also realize you want this to be situational but where do ya draw the line? If i see some cool particle effect on a sword .... well ya know what I want to know what it is and if I can use it and then I can look up in a database what it comes from and try to kill that thing. </P> <P>Social interaction is the bread and butter of the game, get used to it and learn to deal with it. It isn't so bad to make friends and enjoy the company of others.</P>

[Magic]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Oakum wrote:<BR> <DIV>Have to agree with the other post here. The only reason a person would want to hide what they are wearing that makes sense is if they are in a group and don't want someone to know they are lying about claiming need for an item. Otherwise, it makes no sense.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>In RP you will be seen by in whatever you are wearing by anyone standing near you. If you have nothing equiped, that is what will be seen.</DIV><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE> <P>Then why can we hide/show our helm or hood?  We can be standing face to face and you won't see my hood or helm if I have it hidden with the in-game option already present.</P> <P>Huh?  You only see one reason why my request makes sense?  Hiding gear from others in a group is not a good reason at all.  If I were the group leader, I'd require an inspection before I allowed you into my group.  If you hide everything including your class and level, I'd ignore you and find someone else to group with me.  If I were in a good mood that day, I'd allow you into the group but you wouldn't be allowed any loot other than the automatic coin splits.  I'd have looting set to leader only, and I'd distrubute the loot to my inspectable groupmates and give you the junk.</P> <P>I gave logical reasons that make perfect sense to me, otherwise I wouldn't have made the request in the first place.  If it doesn't make sense to you, there's nothing I can do about that.  The mind is like a parachute, it only works when it's open.</P>

[Magic]

<DIV>Solar Flare, calm down, dude!  Don't get so bent out of shape.  I'm a soloist, plain and simple.  I should have the right to live my life in-game the way that I wish without everyone else deciding how I do that.  I am simply asking for better privacy options.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV><STRONG><FONT size=4>Options that can disabled or enabled at will by each player as they see fit.</FONT></STRONG>  </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>BTW, I role play an arrogant Erudite.  So leave me the <bleep> alone and stop inspecting me!</DIV>

[Solar_Fla]

<DIV>The exact reason hiding and showing your hood or helm is simple and makes perfect sense but it isn't for roleplay purposes. The reason it was done imo is so that people could show off their face which the designers went to great lengths to make the faces look good! Everyone has a customizable face but their body can only be changed in height. The only thing original about any of our chars is our face and people wanted a way to show it off without having to remove armor all the time. It was done not for RP not for anything other than letting people see your face. Your arguement is a bit shallow. I play an inquisitor but I don't always want my ugly pope hat being displayed and hiding my soga model. I like to think my char looks better without the hat on than with it on. Lets face it, as much as you [expletive haxx0red by Raijinn] and moan and try to convince the devs that it is a viable thing to do, the less they are going to listen to you if your only arguement is the fact you can show your helm or not. Its a nice "feature" but it was not meant for RP reasons. </DIV>

[Solar_Fla]

Oh i am not bent out of shape and perhaps I came across a bit strong but I was trying to impress upon you that the more ya ask for this the less its going to happen. SOE doesn't want us to be anti-social. Being a soloer is rough in a game designed around personal interaction and they are very unlikely to implement something that would allow people to solo. They have taken almost all solo content from the game so that people are forced to interact. The only way to be completly solo anymore is to craft or not play the game. It sux yes but there is no avoiding it

[Leawyn]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Solar_Flare wrote:<BR> Oh i am not bent out of shape and perhaps I came across a bit strong but I was trying to impress upon you that the more ya ask for this the less its going to happen. SOE doesn't want us to be anti-social. Being a soloer is rough in a game designed around personal interaction and they are very unlikely to implement something that would allow people to solo. They have taken almost all solo content from the game so that people are forced to interact. The only way to be completly solo anymore is to craft or not play the game. It sux yes but there is no avoiding it<BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE> <P><BR>What game do you play? There is enough solo content from 1-70 to be able to get there and 50 aa's without spending a single minute in a group. But thats another discussion.</P> <P> </P> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Aljola wrote:<BR> <BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Oakum wrote:<BR> <DIV>Have to agree with the other post here. The only reason a person would want to hide what they are wearing that makes sense is if they are in a group and don't want someone to know they are lying about claiming need for an item. Otherwise, it makes no sense.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>In RP you will be seen by in whatever you are wearing by anyone standing near you. If you have nothing equiped, that is what will be seen.</DIV><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE> <P>Then why can we hide/show our helm or hood?  We can be standing face to face and you won't see my hood or helm if I have it hidden with the in-game option already present.</P> <P>Huh?  You only see one reason why my request makes sense?  Hiding gear from others in a group is not a good reason at all.  If I were the group leader, I'd require an inspection before I allowed you into my group.  If you hide everything including your class and level, I'd ignore you and find someone else to group with me.  If I were in a good mood that day, I'd allow you into the group but you wouldn't be allowed any loot other than the automatic coin splits.  I'd have looting set to leader only, and I'd distrubute the loot to my inspectable groupmates and give you the junk.</P> <P>I gave logical reasons that make perfect sense to me, otherwise I wouldn't have made the request in the first place.  If it doesn't make sense to you, there's nothing I can do about that.  The mind is like a parachute, it only works when it's open.</P><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE> <P>This whole post smacks of snobbery. I don't care if you roleplay a snotty erudite, you are not one on these boards, so please treat us as equals instead of lesser than you. Repsect is a 2 way street, and if you expect us to respect your point of view, you need to give us respect as well.</P> <P>The show/hide helm/hood was implemented because ALOT of people prefer to go without a helmet or hood. I hate them on my toons. I work hard on getting just the right combination of hair style, color and facial expressions on my toons to suit not only their roleplay personalities but also to just plain look good. I don't need that marred by a butt ugly bucket with wings for my pally, or a hood that doesn't even show that my coercer has two ponytails underneath it.</P> <P>You wouldn't invite people into a group if you couldn't inspect them? Why not? Maybe they have zero intention of taking any of the loot that day. Maybe they just want experience and to have fun, and your stuck up snotty self wouldn't even hear of it because you can't see their gear. And to even limit loot... HA! I wouldn't want to group with such a blatantly selfish person anyway. I would immediately leave a group that was set to leader only unless it was my friends and we agreed beforehand. I have no reason to trust you anymore than you have a reason to trust me. Even with inspect on, how do you know I haven't put on my "Crap gear" to go exping in, so i can get a bunch of stuff on NBG, only to pass it off to my alt to sell for me because I have much better?</P> <P>*sigh* The only thing I agree with is disabling the ability to see your level/class through if you are anon. Inventory should always be visible through inspection.</P>

[Raidi Sovin'faile]

<P>I've had a lot of folks run up, obviously stop to inspect me and see what I'm wearing, class, etc... then run off.</P> <P>If I had turned off the feature, I'm sure I'd be getting a heckuva lot more tells asking "What is that weapon?" or "What level can you get that armor?" etc.</P> <P>With everything out in the open, and me not aware that anything is happening other than the person came up and paused for a second next to me, it's far, far easier on me if I don't feel like answering 20 questions.</P> <P>I'd think you might get a few more tells than normal if you ran around not allowing folks to inspect you. It also has potential to be used for more nefarious purposes, such as hiding bad things you don't want others to know... like plat farmers hiding telltale tags about them, like still wearing Isle of Refuge stuff at lvl 70, etc. Or pretending to not already have something that dropped for the NBG groups (another plat farming tactic, roll on everything no matter what the group consensus was).</P> <P> </P> <P>There's room for the /anon feature in this game... if you don't want to be invited to groups or raids or whatnot, you'll put it up so people can't find you in their random searches. Friends or people you've grouped with before might remember your name, but you won't get blind invites or tells like "hey, we need <class> for <place/raid>" if you don't want em.</P> <P> </P> <P>This game is <STRONG>huge. </STRONG>If you are out harvesting, soloing, writ runs, etc, then 99.999999% of the time you won't run into someone that wants to inspect you to find out your class and level to see if you want to go group/raid. If you put up (AFK) with an appropriate message, then you'll probably eliminate the other fraction of a percent.</P> <P>Sure AFK means "away from keyboard", but the end result is the same... you aren't going to answer. We use AFK for lots of things other than the original intention (to indicate you aren't ready in raids due to buffing, to leave a message when doing something else or to redirect tells to another who will answer, to screen tells, etc).</P> <P>Why it's such a huge issue to use AFK for something else I have no idea... I would have thought it would be considered "innovative" and "creative".</P> <P> </P> <P>Why inspecting is such a big deal either, I have no clue. This is a video game.. your stats (which includes your gear) is defaulted as being broadcasted to others as a standard in all multiplayer games, as it promotes interaction between players.</P> <P>No, it's not like someone coming up and rifling through your pants to check out your "gear"... it's more like looking at a nametag. Only this nametag has a lot more than just "Hi my name is <blah>" on it... it also has your stats if you look close enough.</P> <P> </P> <P>Honestly, I've ran past someone who had some really cool looking sword or armor and I inspected them. I then wrote down the name of the item and looked it up on the internet to find out where it came from, etc. What... you'd rather I stopped and pestered the person for the info? Gone away without ever knowing at all? </P><p>Message Edited by Raidi Sovin'faile on <span class=date_text>07-27-2006</span> <span class=time_text>06:39 PM</span>

[Magic]

<P>Bah!  I'm tired of the flaming, nonsensical logic, and unsubstantiated accusations.</P> <P>It's no wonder that I solo.</P> <P>Believe it or not, I'm a very nice person in real life and someone you'd  probably all enjoy being with.</P> <P>But no matter, I'll  discontinue this discussion because it's not going anywhere.</P>

[Lindar Phamoncry]

<DIV>No flaming or ill feelings meant... though you are refusing to even acknowledge the NEED for this mechanic due to your WANTing to be anonimous. Please at least try to see it from the other side.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Even if an option this would prove to give me headache upon headache. As an active Raid Leader I deal with assigning groups for literally hundreds of players each month and have to organize them according to riggorous standards. With an option such as this its inevetable that ever raid would probably consist of one or two of these people prefering to be anonimous.... with this system I would be needing to be telling them(not asking them) to change it or be kicked from the raid... turning me into the bad guy and even moreso wasting the rest of everyones time when all I want to do is place them in the right group so that their resistances are good enough that they wont die come time for the first AoE to one shot them... harming the ability for the other 23 people to complete this content. </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Even now I am forced to use the same tanks and just hope that everyone in the group has him buffed correctly... when thats precisley what my job as a raid leader is.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Your comparison to armor to underwear is completely unfounded.... you insinuate that we wish to see whats under the clothes when we just want to know if thats a Nike or Adidas shirt your wearing.... your OUTER clothing.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>anyways regardless if you read this or not... PLEASE FIX THIS SOE!!! ITS CAUSING QUITE ALOT OF FRUSTRATION!</DIV>

[Leawyn]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Aljola wrote:<BR> <P>Bah!  I'm tired of the flaming, nonsensical logic, and unsubstantiated accusations.</P> <P>It's no wonder that I solo.</P> <P>Believe it or not, I'm a very nice person in real life and someone you'd  probably all enjoy being with.</P> <P>But no matter, I'll  discontinue this discussion because it's not going anywhere.</P><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE> <P><BR>We're being illogical? You asked for a way to become totally anonymous. Apart from being able to inspect, we have given you the tools to do exactly what you want. /anon or /role, put on "street clothes" that just came out with the last update, put up your AFK tag, and no one will bother you, or at least us "annoyances" would be less likely to contact you if you implemented all of these.</P> <P> </P>

[Lilj]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Aljola wrote:<BR> <P>Bah!  I'm tired of the flaming, nonsensical logic, and unsubstantiated accusations.</P> <P>It's no wonder that I solo.</P> <P>Believe it or not, I'm a very nice person in real life and someone you'd  probably all enjoy being with.</P> <P>But no matter, I'll  discontinue this discussion because it's not going anywhere.</P><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE> <P>Am I the only one that finds this message rather rude and insulting? For some reason I find it funny that a rude person continues to claim how loveable she is in real life to people she clearly doesn't regard worth her time..it boggles my mind.</P> <P>Besides if we removed the inspect option, how would we be able to read people's background stories. Some people actually write some nice rp stories and I like to read them. So call me rude for wanting to read a roleplayers story and other peoples funny small messages! Bah....</P> <P> </P> <P><BR> </P>

[Lera]

I do wish they'd fix the /role and /anon tags. /Role should do nothing other than mark you as roleplaying, and /anon should hide class and level. But people have been asking for this for a long time, and nothing's happened yet.They should also move the "inspect" option in the right-click menu. With lag, it's far too easy to duelbet or invite someone when you're trying to inspect them, and that's quite annoying for the person who gets a popup window and awkward for the one who does it, since it looks like a random invite.<div></div>