I should have rolled a scout bruiser.

[Rendoir]

<DIV>- Racial Hide Abilities: Increased stealth duration for up to 30 minutes. Reduced recast timer to 5 minutes</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>What on earth is this being done for? Do you really want people to only roll new toons that have the racial ability of hide? I can't think of anything more silly that could be changed in game to stop any diversification of races. Just the shortest example - why would anyone roll any character on the pvp server that didn't have the racial ability of hide? 12 oppurtunities per hour to become a scout class regardless of your chsen profession and sneak up on a foe - gives all class that have it a distinct advanatage.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Please don't change this is it fine just as it is.</DIV>

[MadLordOfMilk]

Uhh, you can't move while you have a racial invis up.<div></div>

[Master71]

I have an halve-elf defiler, I choose this racial trait on her, and I do can scout hidden.Very usefull under level 30, to join a group deep in FG, later the invis totem is easy to get (to every one), and far more usefull.

[Krieg]

Yeah, you can't move with this on.  So no sneaking up on anyone, no scouting around, just hiding in place and hoping no one has see stealth.

[SpryYoungE]

I thought you just couldn't move while casting.

[DarkArrow69]

What in the world is a scout bruiser?  Am I the only one who doesn't understand this? <div></div>

[Galn]

<DIV><BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> DarkArrow69 wrote:<BR>What in the world is a scout bruiser?  Am I the only one who doesn't understand this?<BR> <BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE><BR>Same thing but opposite of a Wookie Jedi...:smileysurprised:</DIV><p>Message Edited by Galn on <span class=date_text>06-24-2006</span> <span class=time_text>01:19 PM</span>

[DarkArrow69]

<blockquote><hr>Galn wrote:<div></div> <div> <blockquote> <hr> DarkArrow69 wrote:What in the world is a scout bruiser?  Am I the only one who doesn't understand this? <div></div> <hr> </blockquote>Same thing but opposite of a Wookie Jedi...:smileysurprised:</div><p>Message Edited by Galn on <span class="date_text">06-24-2006</span> <span class="time_text">01:19 PM</span></p><hr></blockquote>*snicker* thanks for clearing that up, Galn. <span>:smileywink:</span><div></div>

[Krieg]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> DarkArrow69 wrote:<BR>What in the world is a scout bruiser?  Am I the only one who doesn't understand this?<BR> <BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE><BR>IT's the OP's attempt at humor.  He was under the assumption that with the racial stealth spell anyone could run around invis like a scout.

[Rendoir]

<P>From various things I have heard on live the changes that were made to invis some months allowed people to move about just fine invis [Removed for Content] no movement hindraces, all movement bonuses were removed. This effectively gave those races with the 3 minute hide invis the chance to run about. </P> <P>Which is why i made this post.</P> <P> </P>

[Krieg]

Actually, it was the opposite.  The skill was bugged and people were exploiting it for a couple months.  When they fixed it (read the description), the exploiters cried nerf, of course.

[Oakum]

<P>Got to love it when someone complains about another class "stealing" their obviously (or so it would seem) only defining trait. Thats probably why wood elfs dont have tracking like in EQ1. Too many cries of "thats a scouts only defining ability" more then likely.  If we are going to go that way then all scouts should lose evac since that is the utility spell that defines a warden from all the other priest classes.  Same goes for fury's groups invis.</P> <P> IMO there is no ONE defining ability that any one class has. Its the COMBINATION of their abilities that define a class. Sharing any one spell/ability with another class should not be viewed as destroying that class UNLESS it makes that class useless. The thing that makes the scouts stealth a somewhat definiting atribute is the COMBO of stealth and CA that gives them high damage attacks. </P> <P> So what if another class can invis or stealth? They can't get extra damage from doing it. Halflings should be able to disarm traps and get a bonus to the skill if they are a scout class. So what if pretty much every figter class has a heal now. They cant do it as well or as often as priest. So what if clerics have decent autoattack now. Its still lower then all fighter and scout autoattacks. Who cares if Summoners do as much damage as sorcerers. They dont do it the same way. That is what makes classes unique. One has to have a pet to do it and one can do it with just spells.</P> <P> People seem to very selfish and to wear blinders and have a very narrow world view sometimes. Maybe they feel inadequate unless they feel they think their class is better in all ways then every other class. I dont know. Guess its just the nature of overly competitive people who cant understand that things work together to get a results in any thing halfway interesting. </P>

[KBern]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Rendoir wrote:<BR> <P>From various things I have heard on live the changes that were made to invis some months allowed people to move about just fine invis [Removed for Content] no movement hindraces, all movement bonuses were removed. This effectively gave those races with the 3 minute hide invis the chance to run about.</P> <P>Which is why i made this post.</P> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE> <P><BR>Well next time collect those things called facts, and not hearsay before you post a complait that just makes you look..um..very uninformed.</P> <P>I think I read this somewhere recently...</P> <P>Relax! It's only a GAME!! And you can't even win!!</P><p>Message Edited by KBern on <span class=date_text>06-27-2006</span> <span class=time_text>08:26 AM</span>

[Krontak]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Oakum wrote:<BR> <P>Got to love it when someone complains about another class "stealing" their obviously (or so it would seem) only defining trait. Thats probably why wood elfs dont have tracking like in EQ1. Too many cries of "thats a scouts only defining ability" more then likely.  If we are going to go that way then all scouts should lose evac since that is the utility spell that defines a warden from all the other priest classes.  Same goes for fury's groups invis.</P> <P> IMO there is no ONE defining ability that any one class has. Its the COMBINATION of their abilities that define a class. Sharing any one spell/ability with another class should not be viewed as destroying that class UNLESS it makes that class useless. The thing that makes the scouts stealth a somewhat definiting atribute is the COMBO of stealth and CA that gives them high damage attacks. </P> <P> So what if another class can invis or stealth? They can't get extra damage from doing it. Halflings should be able to disarm traps and get a bonus to the skill if they are a scout class. So what if pretty much every figter class has a heal now. They cant do it as well or as often as priest. So what if clerics have decent autoattack now. Its still lower then all fighter and scout autoattacks. Who cares if Summoners do as much damage as sorcerers. They dont do it the same way. That is what makes classes unique. One has to have a pet to do it and one can do it with just spells.</P> <P> People seem to very selfish and to wear blinders and have a very narrow world view sometimes. Maybe they feel inadequate unless they feel they think their class is better in all ways then every other class. I dont know. Guess its just the nature of overly competitive people who cant understand that things work together to get a results in any thing halfway interesting.</P><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE><BR>They should give all swashbucklers the master 2 choice of ice comet and the ability to group cure and heal like mad.  Throw in intercept too and tsunammi.  That would round out our class.

[KBern]

<DIV>Please, swashys are one of the most well rounded scout classes out there.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Tons of DPS and awesome utility. </DIV>

[Rendoir]

<DIV> <P>I think I read this somewhere recently...</P> <P>Relax! It's only a GAME!! And you can't even win!!</P> <P> </P> <P>/unquote</P> <P> </P> <P>er, it's irony. I get quite impassioned about this game for all the good it does - therefore i get a quiet laugh when i see my sig at the bottom of the page. I've changed it now tho as there have been numerous "completely missed the point" posts such as your own Psy :smileywink:</P></DIV>