Could Rare T1 recipes be made more available ?

[Emlar_from_Halas]

<DIV>For a while, T1 rare harvest have been droping very often.</DIV> <DIV>But redesign of T1 areas have removed all heroic below 10 encounter.</DIV> <DIV>Therefore the chance to loot any T1 advanced recipe is neer zero.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Wouldn't it be possible to make these T1 advanced recipe available directly at the broker ?</DIV> <DIV>It would reduce frustration of all new players harvesting so much rares and begging traders for hours without any success.</DIV> <DIV>Otherwise what's the point of increasing T1 rare drop rate.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>BTW, I have 2 daughters 10 and 11 playing on a very low pace which keep asking me why they can't find these bloody recipes (They use French language without slang :smileyhappy: )...</DIV>

[Sunlei]

 I have got plenty of the rare crafting books off the lowest lvl mobs in the newbie zones. You've got to get off the newbie island about lvl 4 and kill the baby solo mobs. For example the 4 and 5 books drop off the lvl 4 spiders in graveyard or the smallest badgers on the good side. They aren't very rare to drop & drop off solo mobs in wood chests.

[Galeden]

<DIV>The fact you have to leave the newbie island at 4 to get them completely defeats the system.  I always try to 8 or so on the island so I can actually fight stuff in most newbie areas and not have a lot of red stuff there.  And the island is the best place to get your TS started, so why are you punished by not being able to get the books?  How bout making the rare books up to 9 quest rewards or something?  That wouldn't cause the farming that was done a while back on the newbie isle by tons of players who demanded 1pp for the most needed books, and would give everyone the chance to be able to craft T1 rares.</DIV>

[Ydiss]

I agree. The core issue here is the severe lack of players at this level range, except when a server is launched.I destroy all of my rares in T1, no point keeping them because you get dozens of them in a single night and yet there's no books available to go out and craft what you like with them.T1 is so short0lived it doesn't matter that much, but it'd be nice to have a level 5 toon suited out with ad3s and mastercrafted items <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /><div></div>

[Emlar_from_Halas]

<P>Thanks for the info Sunlei, I will advise my daughters to rename their characters to "spider-slaughter" :smileyhappy:</P> <P>But as Galeden said, for new player joining the game, they will have no opportunity to craft rare T1 though they will have zillions of rare T1 in their 4 slot bags...</P>

[pantswearer]

<P>On the Qeynos side, the badgers and the deer in the Forest Ruins are a great source for these books.</P> <P>It would be nice to be able to get rares and adavanced books on the newbie island, though.</P> <P>(Edited for spelling)</P><p>Message Edited by pantswearer on <span class=date_text>05-29-2006</span> <span class=time_text>03:59 PM</span>

[Nyphithys]

I don't know if you can get the new recipe books from the non-heroic monsters anymore.  I spent a few hours killing the spiders and skeletons in the graveyard earlier today and got 16 wood chests, 4 metal&wooden chests, and 1 metal chest.  Each of the wooden chests gave a common item, and the other 5 gave adept I spells.  I did kill 4 heroic monsters in the "newbie" zones and got two books from the four chests that they dropped (3 wooden/metal and 1 metal).

[Suraklin]

<DIV>In my opinion all crafting books should drop as corpse loot off any con mob including grey con. The ancient spells in DoF have dropped off grey con corpse loot for me before on numerous occasions. Might have been a fluke though not sure.</DIV><p>Message Edited by Suraklin on <span class=date_text>05-30-2006</span> <span class=time_text>03:15 AM</span>

[Liol]

I agree with making recipe books corpse drops.It's stupid that you miss your chance at the 4 & 5 books by just staying on the isle to the level it was meant to be used till.<div></div>

[Macibaru]

If you're levelling up past the books too quickly to get any of them, then you are levelling up too quickly that you'd see any use out of them.If it's really that important to you (as it was to me), make an alt and leave the newbie island immediately. I've got a level 6 that I have combat XP turned off of that I have farmed the lowbie books with no problem. They definately drop off of solo mobs. I know the Mystail Rats in Oakmyst drop them fairly regularly. I got 4 AAR4 books in about 3.5 hours the other night, enough for all my crafting alts. If it drops wooden chests, and it's the level of the book you want, you will eventually get that book if you sit and kill that mob over and over. <div></div>

[Amataelia]

<div><blockquote><hr>Macibaru wrote:<font color="#ff99cc">I</font><font color="#ff99cc">f you're levelling up past the books too quickly to get any of them, then you are levelling up too quickly that you'd see any use out of them.</font><font color="#ff0099"></font>If it's really that important to you (as it was to me), make an alt and leave the newbie island immediately. I've got a level 6 that I have combat XP turned off of that I have farmed the lowbie books with no problem. They definately drop off of solo mobs. I know the Mystail Rats in Oakmyst drop them fairly regularly. I got 4 AAR4 books in about 3.5 hours the other night, enough for all my crafting alts. If it drops wooden chests, and it's the level of the book you want, you will eventually get that book if you sit and kill that mob over and over. <div></div><hr></blockquote>Not necessarily, I happen to like the look of bronze sconces and yarrow rugs, not everyone uses these books to make armor with.  Also, a lot of us have alts that we would love to twink out just because we can.  I happen to have all the books needed scribed on different toons, so I do log on one to make refines and another to make the product etc..........but I don't see an issue with making these lower level books more readily available, they should be adjusted to counteract the high T1 drop rates.<span>Amataelia64 Wizzy70 Tailorand too many alts to listGods of ChaosBlackburrow</span></div>

[Jai1]

Rare house items are about the only thing that would be of use.  You grow out of everything else in T1 pretty quick.  Plus I have a problem with making pristine of a tier until I am a tier higher for TS in T1.

[Titigabe]

All beeing set in corpse loot would be great <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /> Giving some more interrest in greyed out challenge, reducing, of course, the drop chance as the mob is grey for you.<div></div>

[Macibaru]

<div><blockquote><hr>Amataelia wrote:<div><blockquote><hr>Macibaru wrote:<font color="#ff99cc">I</font><font color="#ff99cc">f you're levelling up past the books too quickly to get any of them, then you are levelling up too quickly that you'd see any use out of them.</font><font color="#ff0099"></font>If it's really that important to you (as it was to me), make an alt and leave the newbie island immediately. I've got a level 6 that I have combat XP turned off of that I have farmed the lowbie books with no problem. They definately drop off of solo mobs. I know the Mystail Rats in Oakmyst drop them fairly regularly. I got 4 AAR4 books in about 3.5 hours the other night, enough for all my crafting alts. If it drops wooden chests, and it's the level of the book you want, you will eventually get that book if you sit and kill that mob over and over. <div></div><hr></blockquote>Not necessarily, I happen to like the look of bronze sconces and yarrow rugs, not everyone uses these books to make armor with.  Also, a lot of us have alts that we would love to twink out just because we can.  I happen to have all the books needed scribed on different toons, so I do log on one to make refines and another to make the product etc..........but I don't see an issue with making these lower level books more readily available, they should be adjusted to counteract the high T1 drop rates.<span>Amataelia64 Wizzy70 Tailorand too many alts to listGods of ChaosBlackburrow</span></div><hr></blockquote>I wanted to do the same thing, saw that AAR4 and AAC5-6 were like 80g on my server, so I started a new character, left the newbie isle immediately, did all the locality quests to get me up to level 6, and started camping level 4, 5, and 6 solo mobs in my newbie zone with Combat XP turned off. It took me 20 minutes to get my first AAR4, in 3.5 hours, I had 4, I put 2 in my guild vault, scribed one and put the other one up for sale. If you include all the time it took to do the quests, it took me less than an hour to get my first AAR4. Judging by how quickly the next 3 dropped, I would say that's about average. I still haven't gotten AAC5-6 yet, but I've only killed about a dozen level 5 and 6 mobs so far, I plan on spending a couple hours just camping them to see if I get one or two of them just as quickly.I can't for the life of me see them increasing the drop rate when they are already this common and already this easy to get. They're already easily attained by anyone that actually tries. If you don't believe me, start a Barb/Dwarf/Frog/Highelf, put him in Oakmyst, and kill Mystail Rats, they drop all the time. The only rarity with these books is percieved because people create alts and level them past the content without thinking about it, then complain that they can't find the books weeks later.</div>

[Rijacki]

Instead of increased drop rates on -any- tradeskill book, what I would like to see is a reduction in their drop rate in every tier (even though I am a crafter, it's annoying to get quite so many crafting book drops) BUT I'd much rather see the ability to purchase No Trade advanced books from faction-based merchants (even though I am still slogging through all the negative faction from prior to the writs giving neg faction) like in Maj'Dul and/or to have -crafting- based quests to obtain No Trade advanced books.It would let crafters be a little more autonomous from adventuring and adventurers and also reduce the non-adventure drops adventurers get.<div></div>

[Macibaru]

I'd be all for having any book be available from a TS quest. I personally happen to like adventuring, but it's kind of stupid that for my cook to get any of the nifty cook recipes she has to go out and kill stuff for it, rather than say, I don't know, impressing the NPC with her cooking skills.<div></div>

[Laiina]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Sunlei wrote:<BR>  I have got plenty of the rare crafting books off the lowest lvl mobs in the newbie zones. You've got to get off the newbie island about lvl 4 and kill the baby solo mobs. For example the 4 and 5 books drop off the lvl 4 spiders in graveyard or the smallest badgers on the good side. They aren't very rare to drop & drop off solo mobs in wood chests.<BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE> <P><BR>The 5-6 book is fairly avaialable, though not common.</P> <P>However, there is apparently another book - for advanced refining - that I have NEVER seen drop or for sale. And that is the one you need for using some of the rares.</P>

[Laiina]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Liol wrote:<BR>I agree with making recipe books corpse drops.<BR><BR>It's stupid that you miss your chance at the 4 & 5 books by just staying on the isle to the level it was meant to be used till.<BR> <BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE> <P><BR>I have gotten th 5-6 book in Castleview.. yes, in town. From a mini quest that involved planting some flowers and an evil flower spawned, and it dropped that book.</P> <P>And I have also seen it drop in Oakmyst.</P>

[Titigabe]

Yes, but ...With EQ2 turning in the new experience machine, the time you stay at a level for wich mobs can drop is too short, especially at the very begining of the game where you level up 20 in 3 days.I think reconsidering the way items drop or maybe the time mobs can give you their treasure (more likely to be corpse loot, wich would me more credible) would be nice.And of course, reducing the amount of experience a mob give you should be benefical to the game.<div></div>

[Jerr]

<P>For me, I have my first toon at 54(Necro), and had to slug through with what I could find or afford (which wasn't much), and now that I am 54 and have 9 P available and it's a lot easier to get money.</P> <P>My point is---Most of us had to level with dropped treasured items and now that we have higher characters and are making Alts-I want my alts to have the best at each level that I could never afford before.</P> <P>Call it twinking or whatever-but having played casual for a year to get to 54 and all that leveling with mainly treasured drops, with a few legendary items, I have started 8 new alts for each crafting class to become more self-sufficient.  I am taking even more time with each character to fully develop them at each tier and not just rush through the early levels.</P> <P>It would be nice for the advanced drops to happen more for 8,9 level characters coming off the island. If you do all the quests I dont think you can leave before level 7 and it only takes a bit of hunting to hit 8 or 9.</P> <P>I keep checking the brokers on mistmoore for these low level books and if they are ever listed its for a lot more than I want to spend.  </P> <P>I think my answer is to start my woodworker over and get off the island at level 4, turn off xp, and farm these low level mobs that seem to be dropping these items.</P> <P>I don't like doing that and think they should be available for 8 or 9's as that is the level the island leaves you at after doing all quests.</P> <P>Sorry about the rambling-hard to put thoughts together at work at 01:30 in the morn'.</P> <P>Cheers,</P> <P>Jerril</P>

[Emlar_from_Halas]

<DIV><STRONG><FONT color=#ffcc00>*** Tradeskills ***<BR><BR></FONT></STRONG>- Due to changes to Advanced Artisan Volume 2-9 you may now purchase these books from tradeskill merchants.<BR></DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Did I say Thanks ?</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>So thanks :smileytongue:</DIV>

[Magic]

<P>I agree with the OP about making rare recipe books a little more common.  I enjoy farming (disabling combat XP and killing the same mob types all day long) but it gets tedious after a while.  It does have a way of making the finding one a rather jubilous event, however!</P>

[msheaf]

See the post two above this one. You can now just buy the t1 books from the TS vendor. <div></div>