I just don't get it....

[TriskettheKid]

<DIV>Call me a n00b, call me an idiot, call me whatever....but what is it that I'm missing about LU24?</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Why are people so [Removed for Content] off that they can no longer solo ^^^ yellow heroics?  When were you EVER supposed to solo ^^^ yellow heroics?  When were you supposed to solo ^^^ WHITE heroics?  Or Blue heroics?  Green...I can understand.  But seriously, what's the deal?</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Why are so many "hardcore" players crying and whining that they can no longer solo such encounters?  Can you just not work in groups? </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>If chain-mezzing was a problem, allowing people to take on such mobs solo, then it NEEDS to be fixed.</DIV>

[Knesh]

Oh look another "I dont get it" post.....

[Bassist]

I can't speak for other classes, but us Troubs are up in arms because they already had trouble with solo blue ^.  It was possible to take down a ^^^, but a blue ^^^ would take me 30 minutes, and would only be possible without adds.  That's not what us Troubs are upset about.We are upset because we are losing our last bit of utility not associated with buff/debuff and losing more of our soloability (we don't even complain about the solo stun being lowered while the herioc remains the same).  These after LU23 where we lost the usefulness, except in raid, of our proc buff.  Which was a few LUs after reducing 2 others of our buffs, and making it so the T7 equivalents weren't upgrades.  After this Troubs will be a situationaly useful class with no fun involved.  Look on the troub boards for some facts, and of course some whining since that is always going on everywhere on boards <img src="/smilies/8a80c6485cd926be453217d59a84a888.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />I'll probably keep playing and trying it, but I'm not having the same fun on test that I have currently (pre-LU24) on live.  We'll see when my toon on test gets to the same level as my live toon.

[Jaimster]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> TriskettheKid wrote:<BR> <DIV>Call me a n00b, call me an idiot, call me whatever....but what is it that I'm missing about LU24?</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Why are people so [Removed for Content] off that they can no longer solo ^^^ yellow heroics?  When were you EVER supposed to solo ^^^ yellow heroics?  When were you supposed to solo ^^^ WHITE heroics?  Or Blue heroics?  Green...I can understand.  But seriously, what's the deal?</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Why are so many "hardcore" players crying and whining that they can no longer solo such encounters?  Can you just not work in groups? </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>If chain-mezzing was a problem, allowing people to take on such mobs solo, then it NEEDS to be fixed.</DIV><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE><BR>It's not just about LU24 either... if you've been here from the beginning, the constant changes get old.  And I really don't think most people are crying about not being able to solo ^^^ heroics, yellow or white or blue.  The chain mezzing problem as I see it, is attached to grouping, not individual soloers...  as a troubador, I have to say Bassist said it about as politely as you'll hear it ;p

[Geakor]

I don't know who you are talking about soloing yellow/white/blue heroics. I'm a bruiser and I can't solo those mobs (I upgrade my equipment every 10 levels for the pristine imbued items and stuff) currently at lvl 51 and I am not a sissy. Depending on what lvl the ^^^ blue is I MIGHT be able to take it. That isn't what we are complaing about (bruisers anyways) it is our constant nerfing of DPS and NO raising in defense department. Nerfing our stun/mez on the same timer? SoE just take one away insted of letting us keep both and one go to waste! The stuns for EVERYONE as a whole, btw stuns don't even work on epics. But with bruisers having 4-5 stuns is what kept us up when tanking but not anymore same amount of stuns but for 1/2 the time. It is the constant nerfing in certain classes abilites that is making people mad. No class (except for a caster or two i can think of) is over powered enough to get a constant nerf. SoE has yet to give an answer to ANYONE of why these updates are taking place, they avoid you at all costs stoping posts or deleting them. If they would answer a question insted of ignoring the masses then maybe people wouldn't throw such a hissy fit when the nerf bat comes to town (which seems like its every month here latly)Anyways check out the fourms and see what people say and you will see why others say they are complaining. Time for my lazy butt to get back to work!!

[PlatSt]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> TriskettheKid wrote:<BR> <DIV><FONT color=#ff0000>Call me a n00b, call me an idiot, call me whatever....but what is it that I'm missing about LU24?</FONT></DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Why are people so [Removed for Content] off that they can no longer solo ^^^ yellow heroics?  When were you EVER supposed to solo ^^^ yellow heroics?  When were you supposed to solo ^^^ WHITE heroics?  Or Blue heroics?  Green...I can understand.  But seriously, what's the deal?</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Why are so many "hardcore" players crying and whining that they can no longer solo such encounters?  Can you just not work in groups? </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>If chain-mezzing was a problem, allowing people to take on such mobs solo, then it NEEDS to be fixed.</DIV><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE><BR>You're a n00b, you're an idiot.

[TriskettheKid]

<DIV>Ok, I should have mentioned that I've been playing since pre-LU13.  My current char is pretty young (dates back to October, I think).</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>But I have to say, with the DPS, why is that so important?</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>If your class isn't intended to be DPS, then why do you expect to do heavy DPS?  I mean, if your class skills include 80% buff/debuffs, and only 20% combat skills, there is no reason to complain about your lack of DPS.  I've always played DPS classes because that's what I like doing (Wiz, Assassin, etc.).</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>I'm just saying, as someone who lurks more than posts here, that it seems that there are two areas where people whine the most:</DIV> <DIV>1. DPS</DIV> <DIV>2. Soloing</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Whine 1 usually comes from the classes that aren't meant to do massive amounts of DPS.  Whine 2 usually comes from people that don't do massive DPS, but have the ability (through chain-mezzing and the like) to take on and defeat yellow con ^^^ heroics, even regular non arrow heroics.  Truth be told, I don't think it was ever intended for people to solo heroics (understandable if said heroics are green), even more so if taking on a group of heroics.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV>

[AaronSnow]

<DIV>To the OP,</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>It's pretty easy to get, if you read a few posts.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Been playing since day 1. Loved my Pally when he was DPS - guess SOE didn't</DIV> <DIV>                                         Loved my Troub or was it a Dirge - seems SOE wasn't sure either</DIV> <DIV>                                         And now, SOE gets to change my Bruiser into a girl   </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Only great thing i can say about this is the cost of Brusier stuff should go down on the open market :smileyvery-happy:</DIV> <DIV> </DIV>

[Kabil]

There are changes that are happening but those views of other peoples are welcome here.What is not welcome here is telling someone they are a noob or that they are an idiot.For I am asking you please refrain from doing it.  <font color="#66ff00"><b>If you dont have anthing nice to say .. dont say anything at all.</b><font color="#ffffff">Not everyone is upset with the changes, some people are because they have been so used to things and its changing for them and its very difficult to get used to changes that happen.But please for pete's sake .. quit insulting eachother its getting really old and drives people away from these boards where their input would be greatly appreciated.Thank you guys.</font><b></b></font><div></div>

[Cynto]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> TriskettheKid wrote:<BR> <DIV>Ok, I should have mentioned that I've been playing since pre-LU13.  My current char is pretty young (dates back to October, I think).</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>But I have to say, with the DPS, why is that so important?</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>If your class isn't intended to be DPS, then why do you expect to do heavy DPS?  I mean, if your class skills include 80% buff/debuffs, and only 20% combat skills, there is no reason to complain about your lack of DPS.  I've always played DPS classes because that's what I like doing (Wiz, Assassin, etc.).</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV><FONT color=#ff9900>The easiest way to answer this is for me to point out that Troubadours were only marginally upset about DPS prior to the announced changes with LU 24, and I had personally not seen any posts about it from them, though I have to admit I don't read their boards as I am not one. You say that "if your class skills include 80% buff/debuffs, and only 20% combat skills, there is no reason to complain about your lack of DPS." Well thats great, hence the reason WHY they're complaining. Troubadours do not really debuff mobs all that much, they buff group members, which by the way has been getting nerfed every LU recently. Their three major "debuffs" if you want to call them, was their stun, charm (which didn't allow them to tell the pet to attack at all) and their mez, all of which are getting heavily nerfed with this LU. In particular, their Charm is going from a 7.5 MINUTE duration "mez" essentially, with a 20 sec recast, to an 8 SECOND duration, with a 60 second recast. That is a 98% duration nerf. They didn't just nerf that ability, they DESTROYED it.</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT color=#ff9900></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT color=#ff9900>Now, when you devistate a class' mob control abilities, and their only other benefit is recently nerfed group buffs and dps so bad that they get out damaged by healer classes, an issue arises. SoE has ruined their mob control now and has given them absolutely nothing in return. I think thats pleanty of reason for them to be really angry and complaining.</FONT></DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>I'm just saying, as someone who lurks more than posts here, that it seems that there are two areas where people whine the most:</DIV> <DIV>1. DPS</DIV> <DIV>2. Soloing</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Whine 1 usually comes from the classes that aren't meant to do massive amounts of DPS.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV><FONT color=#ff9900>Just wanted to point out that this is totally wrong. Almost all the complaints I see about DPS on the testing forums here are from high dps people. Most recently coming from Wizards and Warlocks specifically. (Warlocks have a genuine complaint since they have absolutely no aggro reduction ability, and super long cast timers that keep them from casting their high dmg spells in many situations). So no, its not the classes that aren't meant to do DPS, its typically the classes that are supposed to, that then have problems when someone elses [Removed for Content] is bigger than theirs.</FONT></DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Whine 2 usually comes from people that don't do massive DPS, but have the ability (through chain-mezzing and the like) to take on and defeat yellow con ^^^ heroics, even regular non arrow heroics.  Truth be told, I don't think it was ever intended for people to solo heroics (understandable if said heroics are green), even more so if taking on a group of heroics.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV><FONT color=#ff9900>You're right, people aren't typically supposed to be able to solo Heroics unless they're green or grey, however, most classes can't solo them even remotely well. You tell me what the benefit of killing a non named blue or white heroic is to someone when it takes them 30 min to do so. Oh, thats right, there is none, other than maybe finishing off a quest or getting an update. Taking 30 min to kill one heroic is a waste of time, faster exp can be earned doing blue no arrow mobs.</FONT></DIV> <DIV> </DIV><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE><FONT color=#ff9900>Btw, you may lurk here more than you post, but appearently you don't read enough while lurking, because most of this stuff has been laid out enough that even a thick headed Berserker such as myself can see its a legitimate complaint.</FONT><BR><p>Message Edited by Cynto on <span class=date_text>05-26-2006</span> <span class=time_text>06:05 PM</span>

[tashanin]

<div></div><div><blockquote><hr>TriskettheKid wrote:<div>Call me a n00b, call me an idiot, call me whatever....but what is it that I'm missing about LU24?</div> <div> </div> <div> </div> <div>Why are people so [Removed for Content] off that they can no longer solo ^^^ yellow heroics?  When were you EVER supposed to solo ^^^ yellow heroics?  When were you supposed to solo ^^^ WHITE heroics?  Or Blue heroics?  Green...I can understand.  But seriously, what's the deal?</div> <div> </div> <div>Why are so many "hardcore" players crying and whining that they can no longer solo such encounters?  Can you just not work in groups? </div> <div> </div> <div>If chain-mezzing was a problem, allowing people to take on such mobs solo, then it NEEDS to be fixed.</div><hr></blockquote>Honestly bub, I've noticed that a majority of this board is for people that like to complain. Case in point ...<blockquote><hr>Knesh wrote:Oh look another "I dont get it" post.....<hr></blockquote>....All in all here's what happensPeople complained about <class x> being too powerful ----> Live Update 13 ------------------------------> People ComplainPeople wanted crafting to be less tedious ---------------------> They revamped crafting -------------------> People ComplainPeople wanted cleaner content -----------------------------------> SOE Changes Expansion Schedule ---> People ComplainI think that the trend is pretty obvious.  Unfortunately it's the nature of the beast with MMORPGs.  Every change brings more complaints.  Every idea is seen bad by someone who complains.Personally, I see the good and the bad of this LU, but I've made it through every other LU with only minor cuts and bruises...~Gladius FrogitusGuardian of Divine Aura</div><p>Message Edited by tashanin on <span class=date_text>05-26-2006</span> <span class=time_text>02:11 PM</span>

[saotome0]

<DIV>People understand the difference between the difficulty in a single mob that is a heroic encounter, usually a triple up, and a group of mobs that is also a heroic encounter.  The level of each individual mob lowers in this encounter set up.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Most heroic encounters that have 2 mobs, each mob is only a double up.  Have 3 mobs in a heroic encounter, and they are usually only single up.  Have 4 or more mobs in an encounter and they usually have no arrows, or start to get down arrows.  Any tank to take a hit for a few seconds on a group of 5 down arrow mobs, which the encounter as a whole is still heroic, will still yield victory if ANY aoe dps is involved, as the down arrow mobs will die very very quickly.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>So are the players over powered?  Or is the encounter set up wrong?  Or is this just how the [expletive haxx0red by Raijinn]ing game is played?</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>I just cannot grasp at all why people think it is overpowering for a duo to take out blue heroics, or a solo to take out GREEN HEROICS.. they are at least 3-4 levels below you to begin with.  Come on.. seriously.. No one is [expletive haxx0red by Raijinn]ing they cannot solo yellow heroics, i have not seen a single one in any of these posts, yet people do not understand why most are upset at the major nerf to small groups or duos and green or blue heroic encounters...</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>If a white con heroic encounter is well suited for a group of 3 or more, using common [expletive haxx0red by Raijinn]ing sense, would't blue and green con heroic encounters be plain out easier to kill, and oh my gosh, possible to be killed by maybe 2 people?  Or maybe even 1 person who is very skilled?</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>If that is not supposed to be the case whatsoever, then by theory you are going to have to change a ton i8n order to make green con heroics a good and tough fight for a group of 3 or more, but under that standard i do not think any t7 raids would ever get completed, as if a white con epic x 4 encounter is suited for a raid of 4 level 70 groups, then any epic encounter over white con would be unbeatable.. That is if we had to make all content even right?</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>-=Akito - 70 Conjurer Mistmoore</DIV>

[Galithdor]

People just like to complain /sigh