Betrayal

[Zheen]

(( Has someone completed the entire processs of betraying yet? I have completed the quest to become exiled, but what is the rest of the process of completely changing sides?))<div></div>

[Zheen]

((has anyone completed betrayal to the end?))<div></div>

[Jayces]

<div></div>Did you do Freeport to Qeynos or Qeynos to Freeport as the latter appears to be broken at the moment. Correction, it wasn't beroken, I just wasn't reading the instructions. <div></div><p>Message Edited by Jayces on <span class=date_text>05-27-2006</span> <span class=time_text>06:25 PM</span>

[john7101]

i tried the Q to FP but got nowhere.

[Gaige]

<P>I finished (or could if I hail the trainer) Qeynos to Freeport a few days ago w/o any problems.</P> <P>Once you get to Haven you need to run faction quests from an NPC in Antonica to get to amiable and then it progresses pretty straight forward from there.</P>

[Malcomb]

<DIV>Are there any exceptions to the class changing part of betrayal?  For example.. for the classes that can exist at either city, will they get to choose if they want to change class?  Has anyone completed this on test server?  Thanks in advance.</DIV>

[SisterTheresa]

My question is do you still run into Antonia or Lucan when you betray?  As in live where they whoop you before you're kicked out?  Seems silly, but I want to know before I mind numbingly grind out levels to see the betrayal on live.  What can I say .. I'm wierd.

[Late]

I'm exiled atm,going from Q to FP and I never got to see Antonia. Time will tell if I get to see Lucan.I'm running the faction quests from the guy in antonica, but i can't seem to do the ones where you have to infiltrate the Qeynos Fight Club thats under the bridge to the castle in  N Qeynos. If someone has done these, can you point me in the right direction? I've snuck into N Qeynos, looked all around and under the castle bridge but can't find any clues as to what to do do who to talk to.<div></div>

[arathym]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Latero wrote:<BR>I'm exiled atm,going from Q to FP and I never got to see Antonia. Time will tell if I get to see Lucan.<BR><BR><BR>I'm running the faction quests from the guy in antonica, but i can't seem to do the ones where you have to infiltrate the Qeynos Fight Club thats under the bridge to the castle in  N Qeynos. If someone has done these, can you point me in the right direction? <BR><BR>I've snuck into N Qeynos, looked all around and under the castle bridge but can't find any clues as to what to do do who to talk to.<BR> <BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE><BR>There "should" be an entrance to the club below the castle bridge.  The door looks like a tradeskill entrance.

[Mezzelli]

<P>Any idea if this quest set is coming to the PvP servers during this update?  Also, has anyone posted a walk-thru on this quest yet (for either side)?</P> <P>Woodelf Defiler seems like fun, since I have to retire my Troub.</P> <P>-Mezz</P>

[Late]

<div><blockquote><hr>arathym wrote:<div></div> There "should" be an entrance to the club below the castle bridge.  The door looks like a tradeskill entrance.<hr></blockquote>Thanks for the tip. Now I see what I'm supposed to be looking for. The quest description is a little misleading as the entrance to the club isnt really 'under' the bridge, its off to the side. Anyways, I found what I needed and I'm gtg now. Thanks for the help!</div>

[pantswearer]

<P><BR> </P> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Latero wrote:<BR> <DIV><BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> arathym wrote:<BR> <BR><BR>There "should" be an entrance to the club below the castle bridge.  The door looks like a tradeskill entrance.<BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE><BR>Thanks for the tip. Now I see what I'm supposed to be looking for. The quest description is a little misleading as the entrance to the club isnt really 'under' the bridge, its off to the side. <BR><BR>Anyways, I found what I needed and I'm gtg now. Thanks for the help!<BR><BR><BR></DIV><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE> <P><BR> </P> <P>I'm kind of at a loss trying to figure out the one where you sneak into South Q.</P> <P>Once inside the zone, there's a magical barrier to the upstairs. Nothing to click on, nothing that I can interact with, apart from the attackable NPC's. </P> <P>Each time I've been within the instance, the NPC's have been different, with one exception. The constant is one named a "(something) Keeper". I'm thinking I need to kill him to get the barrier down to go upstairs, bit he has an ungroupd friend in the same room that jumps me every time, regardless of distance. Maybe my wizzy is a just a wuss, not able to take on 2 even con NPC's, or maybe I'm missing something. </P> <P>Anyone else had issues with this?</P>

[Late]

I succeeded at the quest you are talking about, but I can't remember the particulars. Try killing all the mobs and you may then loot an item that will allow the barrier to drop once you walk up to it. I'm sorry if I don't remember exactly what to do, but I hope this helps.Relating to one of your comments though, it seems like in a few of the betrayal 'instances' where you do quests to raise your opposing faction, the assist/aggro range of the npcs is too large. I had lots of problems with pulling adds, etc. Especially in the one instance that you enter behind the mage tower in S Qeynos. You have to kill a summoner or something, and as a 70 mystic I could never get past the downstairs. no matter how I pulled mobs, with a ranged pull or with a body proximity pull, adds would always come from the other side of the room and I would have to leave the instance and retry. I just couldn't kill the multiple mobs fast enough.Hopefully the devs look at this instance and either lower the assist/aggro range or maybe remove a mob or two.Aside from these problems, the rest of my betrayal from Q to FP went fine. The only other thing I didnt like was having to train the dog once I was sent to Freeport. That particular quest could have been made shorter. Training that dog just takes too long and is too repetitive.<div></div>

[Gaige]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Latero wrote:<BR>Aside from these problems, the rest of my betrayal from Q to FP went fine. The only other thing I didnt like was having to train the dog once I was sent to Freeport. That particular quest could have been made shorter. Training that dog just takes too long and is too repetitive.<BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE> <P>I agree.  Way too long.  I think the jist of what the quest is trying to show can be made much quicker.  I think I spent a good hour right clicking the dog to first get it to trust me and then to train it.</P> <P>Way too long imho.<BR></P>

[Late]

Yeah I definitely spent over and hr on that part. I even logged and came back, and when I did the dog actually lost some of its training and I had to go back and feed/pet it. (when I logged i was on the stage to train it to play dead and sit). Frustrating.I agree the point the quest is trying to make is somewhat important, but really...after everything else you've done, whats the justification for sitting there for an hr right clicking your pet? I did try a few of the 'find the ledgers and find the sacks of duck feed' quests in Qeynos, but I found the spawns to be too slow or infrequent. It seemed like it took almost the entire 30 minute timer to get all 5 of each. Maybe thats the way its supposed to be though.<div></div>

[Wartanker]

Well I also am trying to betray Q to F but I am on the last part where I get my citizenship....I have to go to Ant and kill Tivati but I am having a heck of a time finding her. Is she in an instance zone in ant? I walked around for 3 hours and never found " The Silent Forest " .<div></div>

[pantswearer]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Latero wrote:<BR>I succeeded at the quest you are talking about, but I can't remember the particulars. Try killing all the mobs and you may then loot an item that will allow the barrier to drop once you walk up to it. I'm sorry if I don't remember exactly what to do, but I hope this helps.<BR><BR>Relating to one of your comments though, it seems like in a few of the betrayal 'instances' where you do quests to raise your opposing faction, <FONT color=#ff0000>the assist/aggro range of the npcs is too large</FONT>. I had lots of problems with pulling adds, etc. Especially in the one instance that you enter behind the mage tower in S Qeynos. You have to kill a summoner or something, and as a 70 mystic I could never get past the downstairs. no matter how I pulled mobs, with a ranged pull or with a body proximity pull, adds would always come from the other side of the room and I would have to leave the instance and retry. I just couldn't kill the multiple mobs fast enough.<BR><BR>Hopefully the devs look at this instance and either lower the assist/aggro range or maybe remove a mob or two.<BR><BR>Aside from these problems, the rest of my betrayal from Q to FP went fine. The only other thing I didnt like was having to train the dog once I was sent to Freeport. That particular quest could have been made shorter. Training that dog just takes too long and is too repetitive.<BR><BR><BR><BR><BR> <BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE> <P>That's exactly it. Trying to take down any of the NPC's in this instance (behind the SQ mage tower) , the others (ungrouped) will join in the fight from the opposite end of the room after about 2-3 seconds.</P>

[Late]

<div><blockquote><hr>Wartanker wrote:Well I also am trying to betray Q to F but I am on the last part where I get my citizenship....I have to go to Ant and kill Tivati but I am having a heck of a time finding her. Is she in an instance zone in ant? I walked around for 3 hours and never found " The Silent Forest " .<div></div><hr></blockquote>On the east side of the map, above (go north from) stormhold, theres a Vale. Run up the path, click on the rocks and you can zone in there. The right option to pick is called 'squires' something. I don't remember exactly.</div>

[Wartanker]

Oh thank you.....for some reason i was thinking she was in Ant and not inside Vale.....I even went up the hill you speak of and never tried to zone in.I'll try it tomorrow thanks a million :c)<div></div>

[arathym]

<DIV>I'll take a look at the social assist range in the Summoning Chamber.  Thanks for the feedback.</DIV>

[SisterTheresa]

<P>Hm ... so are you saying once you finish doing the sabatage quests, you are automatically kicked out?  No long speech my Lucan or Antonia how it is still now?</P> <P>I hop they didn't remove that!  I was thinking of betraying to see it and I won't be able to do it fast enough ><</P>

[Late]

<div><blockquote><hr>SisterTheresa wrote:<div></div> <p>Hm ... so are you saying once you finish doing the sabatage quests, you are automatically kicked out?  No long speech my Lucan or Antonia how it is still now?</p> <p>I hop they didn't remove that!  I was thinking of betraying to see it and I won't be able to do it fast enough ><</p><hr></blockquote>They did.The quests are completely different now. You do some running around in Qeynos (going Q to FP) for a Freeport spy, gathering information to prove your desire to betray. After that, you are exiled and sent to Haven. From there, you run a few different types of faction quests to raise your faction with whatever city you are betraying to. After you reach +pos faction, you head to the city and do 2 more quests. Then you are done.  I never saw Antonia or Lucan in the new quests.</div>

[Feydakeen]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Latero wrote:<BR> <DIV><BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> </BLOCKQUOTE>They did.<BR><BR>The quests are completely different now. You do some running around in Qeynos (going Q to FP) for a Freeport spy, gathering information to prove your desire to betray. After that, you are exiled and sent to Haven. From there, you run a few different types of faction quests to raise your faction with whatever city you are betraying to. After you reach +pos faction, you head to the city and do 2 more quests. Then you are done.  I never saw Antonia or Lucan in the new quests.<BR><BR><BR><BR></DIV><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE>Any idea how long the betrayal takes in game-time aproximately?<BR>

[Liren]

<P><SPAN><FONT size=3><FONT face="Times New Roman"> </FONT></FONT></SPAN><SPAN><FONT size=3><FONT face="Times New Roman">As of 6 June2006, It seems that people have successfully began and completed the new any-level betrayal quest line going from Qeynos to Freeport.<SPAN>  My understanding of the basic</SPAN> idea is </FONT></FONT></SPAN></P> <P><SPAN><FONT size=3><FONT face="Times New Roman">a.  Citizen(Qeynos/Freeport) - > Exile(Haven)</FONT></FONT></SPAN></P> <P><SPAN>b.  Exile(Haven) -> Citizen(Qeynos/Freeport)</SPAN><SPAN><FONT size=3><FONT face="Times New Roman"> </FONT></FONT></SPAN></P> <P><SPAN><FONT size=3><FONT face="Times New Roman"></FONT></FONT></SPAN> </P> <P><SPAN><FONT size=3><FONT face="Times New Roman">I am currently a TFD Mara betabuffed (without COQ) dirge attempting to become exiled, though I have encountered the same results with a level 8 dirge(with COQ) leveled up normally.</FONT></FONT></SPAN></P> <P><SPAN><FONT size=3><FONT face="Times New Roman"></FONT></FONT></SPAN> </P> <P><SPAN><FONT size=3><FONT face="Times New Roman">Unfortunately, I am completely baffled on what to do – and am not sure if I am doing something wrong, if something in the quest is broken, or if this is an artifact of being a betabuffed character, or too low of level.<SPAN>  </SPAN></FONT></FONT></SPAN></P> <P><SPAN><FONT size=3><FONT face="Times New Roman"></FONT></FONT></SPAN> </P> <P><SPAN><FONT size=3><FONT face="Times New Roman">The LU24 patch notes direct Qeynos betrayers, which I assume means those Qeynos citizens seeking to betray Qeynos, to speak to <STRONG>Sprockfuddle</STRONG>, near the Freeport fence.<SPAN>  </SPAN>When hailed either using the ‘h’ key or right click ‘hail’ all he does is wave, though his speech as one approaches hints to his motives “There is a much better life out there….”</FONT></FONT></SPAN></P> <P><SPAN><FONT size=3><FONT face="Times New Roman"></FONT></FONT></SPAN> </P> <P><SPAN><FONT size=3><FONT face="Times New Roman">Other than waving, he does not seem to offer me a quest, though he does sell four books, three of which are catalogues, and the fourth a ‘[intro]…to Freeport, 2nd edition’.<SPAN>  </SPAN>Reading the text of that particular book’s examine information – it says that your citizenship will not be affected by accepting the quest within.<SPAN>  </SPAN>Having accepted the quest, I visited various individuals in the commonlands, a location update in Wfreeport, but the Lieutenant Bar…, and the collection quest turn-in Renny, would not actually respond to hails or even wave and thus would not update.</FONT></FONT></SPAN></P> <P><SPAN><FONT size=3><FONT face="Times New Roman"></FONT></FONT></SPAN> </P> <P><SPAN><FONT size=3><FONT face="Times New Roman">I am not certain I am doing this correctly, I am not looking for a complete walkthrough.<SPAN>  </SPAN>Having read LATERO’s post below, it seems I have missed picking up the appropriate quest somehow.</FONT></FONT></SPAN></P> <P><SPAN><FONT size=3><FONT face="Times New Roman"></FONT></FONT></SPAN> </P> <BLOCKQUOTE dir=ltr> <P><SPAN>The quests are completely different now. You do some running around in Qeynos (going Q to FP) for a Freeport spy, gathering information to prove your desire to betray. After that, you are exiled and sent to Haven. From there, you run a few different types of faction quests to raise your faction with whatever city you are betraying to. After you reach +pos faction, you head to the city and do 2 more quests. Then you are done.  I never saw Antonia or Lucan in the new quests.</SPAN><SPAN></SPAN></P></BLOCKQUOTE> <P><SPAN><FONT size=3><FONT face="Times New Roman"></FONT></FONT></SPAN> </P> <P><SPAN><FONT size=3><FONT face="Times New Roman"></FONT></FONT></SPAN> </P>

[Elquinjena]

I have a couple of questions...when you betray do you retain your status points?can you betray and still remain in your guild on PvE servers? ( might be a interesting RP angle to go spy and come back )<div></div>

[Icarii_Raven`Lyon]

<DIV>Liren, I think the reason why its not working on the beta buffed char is that technically you're not a citizen of Qeynos. Thats probably bugging it. Dont quote me though, cause I havent tried it. </DIV>

[Late]

<div></div><div><blockquote><hr>Icarii_Raven`Lyon wrote:<div>Liren, I think the reason why its not working on the beta buffed char is that technically you're not a citizen of Qeynos. Thats probably bugging it. Dont quote me though, cause I havent tried it. </div><hr></blockquote>Correct. To try the betrayal on test, as a beta buffed character, you need to take the boat to Qeynos from the Queens Colony, skip the bell to beta. Then from there, somehow get 60s for a ticket to TS or Nek and then get buffed in the beta. You'll have your Call of Q and then you can start the betrayal. If you dont get a ticket to TS or Nek and try to run there, you'll get Disc XP and ding level 2. Then you cant beta buff.That help?</div><p>Message Edited by Latero on <span class=date_text>06-07-2006</span> <span class=time_text>08:12 PM</span>

[Late]

<div><blockquote><hr>Elquinjena wrote:I have a couple of questions...when you betray do you retain your status points?can you betray and still remain in your guild on PvE servers? ( might be a interesting RP angle to go spy and come back )<div></div><hr></blockquote>Not sure about status. I'd think you keep it. I didnt see any message about losing status.Yes you remain in your guild. However there is a guild starter NPC in Haven, if you wish to start a guild while doing your betrayal.</div>

[Murazor_AB]

<P>Just a quick question .... When you betray, do you get to keep all the items in your packs, money etc. Also, when you get to haven, do you only get to buy items on the fence, or can you buy and sell?</P> <P> </P> <P> </P> <P>Thanks!</P>

[DataOutlaw]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Murazor_AB wrote:<BR> <P>Just a quick question .... When you betray, do you get to keep all the items in your packs, money etc. Also, when you get to haven, do you only get to buy items on the fence, or can you buy and sell?</P> <P> </P> <P> </P> <P>Thanks!</P><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE><BR>Yes you keep all yhour items on your inventory and in your non shared bank slots. It was a surprise to me that I kept my bank slots when I showed up in Haven. You can buy items from the fence for the same markup from either Qeynos or Freeport. You can not sell items on the new broker system if you are an Exile. You can still mail items to Qeynos and Freeport citizens to use an alt to run the broker to sell your stuff.

[Late]

<div></div><div><blockquote><hr>Murazor_AB wrote:<div></div> <p>Just a quick question .... When you betray, do you get to keep all the items in your packs, money etc. Also, when you get to haven, do you only get to buy items on the fence, or can you buy and sell?</p> <p>Thanks!</p><hr></blockquote>You get to keep everything thats on you, and in your bank. You lose your housing though, so make sure you clean out your house before you are exiled, or get a home in MajDul.As for the fence, there is a broker in haven. [post edited because question was answered above]Basically I rolled a level 70 beta buffed mystic on test and immediately started the betrayal quests to test it out. I didnt try and sell or do anything outside of running the betrayal quests.Sorry if I can't be of more help.Couple things about betraying, Haven and being exiled: When you get exiled, you do get a Call of Haven, which is nice. There are exits from Haven into TS and Nek. (not to the docks, but farther out).In Haven there is a banker, guild creating NPC, crafting stations and a mender.  When you are exiled you get the unremovable title 'Playername the Exile(d)'. When you finish your betrayal, the title is removed and you don't get to keep it.Honestly,  I can't really see a reason why you'd want to stay an exile.  Haven is really a place just to help ease your betrayal process. It's basically a big cave thats not really quick to get to/from and the broker fees are pretty high. Being a citizen of FP or Q is a much better option. If you are serious about betraying, I highly suggest beta buffing a char on test and trying it for yourself, before you commit when it goes Live. To be a real beta buffed citizen follow my instructions in a previous post about not going right to the Fallen Dynasty beta right away. Take the boat and get your call of Q or FP  then go to the beta from there, as a level one character and get buffed. After this, start the betrayal.</div><p>Message Edited by Latero on <span class=date_text>06-08-2006</span> <span class=time_text>12:05 PM</span>

[masakre]

<DIV>If you have started the Hooluk signature hat, but not completed it, and you choose to betray before you complete it, does it give you the correct class hat, or are you given the hat from the class you just betrayed? I just started this quest, was thinking about betraying, but not if I get the wrong hat. Any input would be appreciated.</DIV>

[Liren]

Thankyou for your reply Latero, will try again shortly.

[Bayne]

is the new quest completely soloable? or do you need a group for Named mobs like the old one?<div></div>

[DataOutlaw]

I beleive the whole process is completely solo-able. I did the betrayal part solo at level 17. I have not yet completed citizenship back to a city yet but all the sabotage quests available seem to indicate a lot of oppurtunity to complete it solo.

[Late]

<div><blockquote><hr>Bayne wrote:is the new quest completely soloable? or do you need a group for Named mobs like the old one?<div></div><hr></blockquote>Yep, its all solo. All the faction quests scale to your level. I did mine as a 70 mystic (and we all know what craptacular dps we have). There are no named to kill or mobs to camp. It's a slight grind to raise your faction, but overall its not a bad quest line at all.</div>

[Lexi357]

<DIV>Hi!</DIV> <DIV>I have been intrigued by the betrayal quest and am considering doing it when it goes live, since most my toons are Qeynos based my FP toon feels a bit lonely.</DIV> <DIV>For anyone who has done this on test, although I know things can change before Wed/Thur Live, I was wondering if there was anything I could do to sort of ease the process AND I have a few questions too.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>1.  If I start now lowering my standings with FP (killing guards and whatnot) will that count or would I just be wasting my time?</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>2. I know that there has been some info, in that you get exiled and go to Haven.. is there a bank, menders, mail there?</DIV> <DIV>   I have left my room in Longshadow already and all my items have been relocated to packs, save my shared bank it is empty (no bags boxes or items in it)  would it be wise to move these items (the non attuned/lore etc ones)  to an alt?</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>3. I read about some quests you have to do for betrayal Are these worth adventure expirence? ( could I technically start this at 45 and be level 46 before I finish?)</DIV> <DIV>And also about how long would it take to do this ( I play about 6-8 hours a day (not all at once) is it feasible to think I could complete it  in one or two play sessions?</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>4. Is there a choice  or is it a forced profession change? I am a Warlock, I like my Warlock but curious if I would be getting a choice to stay or change, unlike my Bruiser friend,  who would have no choice but would automatically become a Monk.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>5. I have read that ALL skills, regardless of class change, will be reset to APPRENTICE 1 How does this affect the skills we have chosen as "masteries" at the  14, 24, 34, 44... etc?  By that same token what about the AA's  recieved? Supose my friend the Bruiser has an AA path mapped FOR Bruiser and as a Monk would choose a different path, would he then have to "pay" to have his AAs reset? (is that even still possible?)</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>6. How will this affect tradeskilling? I know it is being revamped but as it is right now I belong to a FP based society, will this reset to non member or do I need to leave the tradeskill society I am in now in order to join one in Qeynos (when I get there that is)</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Which leads me to one other question... Where is THERE going to be? will the DE, Trolls, and Ogres have their own "home" once in Qeynos or will they share with  toons already "placed" in Qeynos ( DE might "live" in Castleview like the HE)</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>These are just a few of the thoughts running through my mind as I consider the betrayal quest.  I want to keep an open mind about it and am trying to look at ALL aspects before I make a final decision on it. I WOULD join test and see what I could find out on my own but with only 2 days till LU24 Im sure much is going to be tweaked and updated and hopefully any current bugs, repaired. I would hate to make a toon level him/her up, do the quest and find out it has changed from test to LIVE, I would rather hold out and do it one time and be done...(speaking of which, suppose I were to change my mind later... is the betrayal repeatable?)</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Thank you for any answers that might help me in making this decision easier.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Lexi</DIV> <DIV> </DIV>

[Late]

<div><blockquote><hr> <div> </div> <div>1.  If I start now lowering my standings with FP (killing guards and whatnot) will that count or would I just be wasting my time?<font color="#ccff00">You'll lower/raise your standings as you go thru the betrayal quests. I wouldn't waste your time.</font></div> <div> </div> <div>2. I know that there has been some info, in that you get exiled and go to Haven.. is there a bank, menders, mail there?<font color="#ccff00">Read thru this whole thread again, this has been answered.</font></div> <div>   I have left my room in Longshadow already and all my items have been relocated to packs, save my shared bank it is empty (no bags boxes or items in it)  would it be wise to move these items (the non attuned/lore etc ones)  to an alt?</div> <div> <font color="#ccff00">Read thru this whole thread again, this has been answered.</font></div> <div>3. I read about some quests you have to do for betrayal Are these worth adventure expirence? ( could I technically start this at 45 and be level 46 before I finish?)<font color="#ccff00">Yes, you get XP. You'd prob gain at least a level doing them, maybe more. I was 70 so I didn't see how much xp they give.</font></div> <div>And also about how long would it take to do this ( I play about 6-8 hours a day (not all at once) is it feasible to think I could complete it  in one or two play sessions?<font color="#ccff00">Already answered in this thread: http://eqiiforums.station.sony.com/eq2/board/message?board.id=testfeed&message.id=57505</font></div> <div>4. Is there a choice  or is it a forced profession change? I am a Warlock, I like my Warlock but curious if I would be getting a choice to stay or change, unlike my Bruiser friend,  who would have no choice but would automatically become a Monk.<font color="#ccff00">I went from Mystic to Defiler, I had no choice. Some classes that are neutral will get a choice I believe.</font></div> <div> </div> <div>5. I have read that ALL skills, regardless of class change, will be reset to APPRENTICE 1 How does this affect the skills we have chosen as "masteries" at the  14, 24, 34, 44... etc?  By that same token what about the AA's  recieved? Supose my friend the Bruiser has an AA path mapped FOR Bruiser and as a Monk would choose a different path, would he then have to "pay" to have his AAs reset? (is that even still possible?)<font color="#ccff00">Respec question has been answered already:</font><font color="#ccff00"></font><font color="#ccff00">http://eqiiforums.station.sony.com/eq2/board/message?board.id=testfeed&message.id=57509</font><font color="#ccff00"></font><font color="#ccff00">You don't get an AA reset, as far as I know.</font></div> <div> </div> <div>6. How will this affect tradeskilling? I know it is being revamped but as it is right now I belong to a FP based society, will this reset to non member or do I need to leave the tradeskill society I am in now in order to join one in Qeynos (when I get there that is)<font color="#ccff00">I don't tradeskill, so I don't know.</font></div> <div> </div> <div>Which leads me to one other question... Where is THERE going to be? will the DE, Trolls, and Ogres have their own "home" once in Qeynos or will they share with  toons already "placed" in Qeynos ( DE might "live" in Castleview like the HE)<font color="#ccff00">You can get an Inn room wherever you want. You aren't placed anywhere.</font></div> <div> </div> <div>These are just a few of the thoughts running through my mind as I consider the betrayal quest.  I want to keep an open mind about it and am trying to look at ALL aspects before I make a final decision on it. I WOULD join test and see what I could find out on my own but with only 2 days till LU24 Im sure much is going to be tweaked and updated and hopefully any current bugs, repaired. I would hate to make a toon level him/her up, do the quest and find out it has changed from test to LIVE, I would rather hold out and do it one time and be done...(speaking of which, suppose I were to change my mind later... is the betrayal repeatable?)<font color="#ccff00">Yes. This was answered already, too.</font></div> <div> </div> <div>Thank you for any answers that might help me in making this decision easier.</div> <div> </div> <div>Lexi</div> <div> </div><hr></blockquote>The search feature on these forums is your friend =)</div>

[ArlexDaraten]

<div></div>I've seen it asked (and answered) a few times. But i'm getting the run around on a direct answer on whether or not Neutral classes will be able to change class if they betray cities. I'm a warlock right now and debating going wizard and I don't want to do betrayal just to find out I stay a warlock at the end of it. If anyone has completed the quest as a warlock (or any other neutral class) please let me know if you were given a choice of changing or if it just changed cities for you.<div></div><p>Message Edited by ArlexDaraten on <span class=date_text>06-12-2006</span> <span class=time_text>10:07 PM</span>

[DDHic]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> ArlexDaraten wrote:<BR> I've seen it asked (and answered) a few times. But i'm getting the run around on a direct answer on whether or not Neutral classes will be able to change class if they betray cities. I'm a warlock right now and debating going wizard and I don't want to do betrayal just to find out I stay a warlock at the end of it. If anyone has completed the quest as a warlock (or any other neutral class) please let me know if you were given a choice of changing or if it just changed cities for you.<BR> <P>Message Edited by ArlexDaraten on <SPAN class=date_text>06-12-2006</SPAN> <SPAN class=time_text>10:07 PM</SPAN><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE><BR>I was wondering the same thing, I was also wondering if you were infact able to do this, if you were able to just exile and go back to your prior faciton and choose your class.

[Lexi357]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <P>Latero,</P> <P>Thank you for addressing some of what I could NOT find answers to, Most of what I have found has been very vague. I can only infer that those who have the DIRECT answers either aren't here (posting) or just plain aren't telling!  :p</P> <P>Yes I know about the search feature, but in order to do a search you have to spell correctly and unfortunately  when I did the search the first time my fingers decided to spell betrayal wrong so my search came up a little sparse.</P> <P>So far what I still cannot find is the answers about how betraying will affect  tradeskilling , If anyone knows, or can be so kind, as to link to the thread where it is mentioned I would apreciate it ever so much!</P> <P>Thank you! </P> <P>Lexi<BR><BR><BR><BR></P></BLOCKQUOTE><BR>

[Kinesthesia]

<div><blockquote><hr>DDHicon wrote:<div></div> <blockquote> <hr> ArlexDaraten wrote: <div></div>I've seen it asked (and answered) a few times. But i'm getting the run around on a direct answer on whether or not Neutral classes will be able to change class if they betray cities. I'm a warlock right now and debating going wizard and I don't want to do betrayal just to find out I stay a warlock at the end of it. If anyone has completed the quest as a warlock (or any other neutral class) please let me know if you were given a choice of changing or if it just changed cities for you. <div></div> <p>Message Edited by ArlexDaraten on <span class="date_text">06-12-2006</span> <span class="time_text">10:07 PM</span> </p><hr> </blockquote>I was wondering the same thing, I was also wondering if you were infact able to do this, if you were able to just exile and go back to your prior faciton and choose your class.<hr></blockquote>This is the question I've been searching for an answer on.  I have a Berserker in Qeynos and I would like to change to Guardian.  If possible I would like to get Exiled, change and then go back to Qeynos.Lastly, this is a more generic question... at what point do you change ?  When you are exiled ? or when you regain faction ?</div>

[DataOutlaw]

Changing to the new class is the very last step in the process after you have gained positive faction with your new city and go to speak to your new trainer to become a citizen of the city.

[Vulking]

Can someone speak about how gear is affected?  Specifically quest gear that is class specific?

[Late]

<div><blockquote><hr>Hammarus wrote:<div></div>Can someone speak about how gear is affected?  Specifically quest gear that is class specific?<hr></blockquote>Class specific gear is unwearable. (ex: Relic armor).  Since I went from Mystic to Defiler, I can still wear gear labled 'Mystic, Defiler' but any 'Mystic' only gear I'd lose. So if you have a full set of Relic gear from T7 raids, you may not want to Betray.I'm not sure about the quested class hats in KoS, since I was beta buffed on Test doing the betrayal. I wouldn't be suprised if they were unusable as well. Unforunate? Yes. But then again, its a penalty you pay for changing classes.  Hopefully a dev can post something official.  I'll try and equip my quested helm after they push the LU and I get finished with betrayal and post here with what happens =) </div>

[Vulking]

<P>Interesting.</P> <P> I can see the relic armor not being usable but class hat one would suck.  Its a quest reward after all, and while not on par with heritages, its darn close.  Perhaps a trade-in feature like the guys on the Nek/TS docks that you can buy previously sold HQs back from.</P> <P>PS.  I would think losing all your spells and CAs would suffice as a penalty.  Seems like gear and spells is double jeopardy IMO.</P>

[Rhona]

<div><blockquote><hr>Latero wrote:<div>Honestly,  I can't really see a reason why you'd want to stay an exile.  </div><hr></blockquote>If one were to try and establish the best possible raiding guild on a PvP server, I would suspect that the guild would insist on exiles.  If I understand correctly, that could allow all classes to be available for any given raid, so that guild could have their optimal class combos on their raids.Rho</div>

[Kinesthesia]

<div></div><div><blockquote><hr>DataOutlaw wrote:<div></div>Changing to the new class is the very last step in the process after you have gained positive faction with your new city and go to speak to your new trainer to become a citizen of the city.<hr></blockquote>Don't suppose anyone has been exiled and returned to the same city ?  Can you still change classes ?edit: Guess I should be more specific ... I'm curious about the neutral classes Guard / Berserker, etc</div><p>Message Edited by Kinesthesia on <span class=date_text>06-13-2006</span> <span class=time_text>09:39 PM</span>

[ssumthing]

From what I've read, yes you can change classes by betraying from a city to the same city. (neutral classes only)

[Late]

<div><blockquote><hr>Rhonara wrote:<div><blockquote><hr>Latero wrote:<div>Honestly,  I can't really see a reason why you'd want to stay an exile.  </div><hr></blockquote>If one were to try and establish the best possible raiding guild on a PvP server, I would suspect that the guild would insist on exiles.  If I understand correctly, that could allow all classes to be available for any given raid, so that guild could have their optimal class combos on their raids.Rho</div><hr></blockquote>Oh, from a PvP standpoint? Sure. I can see how that would be somewhat advantageous. I was speaking from my PvE point of view. I should have clarified that.</div>

[Alfroth]

<P>Ok, has anybody else had trouble pulling solo mobs in the "Practice Makes Perfect" quest (the one with the fight club)? i can (if I'm lucky) manage to pull the three guardsmen in the first room one by one, but the two Qeynosians in the practice dummy room are inseperable, which is really causing me a lot of trouble, since i'm a troubador, and can't really handle two heroics at once.</P> <P>*EDIT* Noticed that the whole class change thing had already been answered.</P><p>Message Edited by Alfrothul on <span class=date_text>06-15-2006</span> <span class=time_text>05:53 AM</span>

[Late]

Just to answer someones earlier question about the KoS quested class hat:Once you betray, you lose the ability to wear it. (since its class specific). The other dropped class hats (like the one with cannibalize for a mystic/defiler, are fine since they are dual wearable).<div></div>

[Toko]

<DIV>Can someone tell me how the hell your suppose to complete the faction quest for Freeport to Qeynos betrayal that envolve getting back into Freeport once your exiled... Which designer thought these new changes up is a [Removed for Content] and should be canned!!!!</DIV>

[Kadurm]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Tokoth wrote:<BR> <DIV>Can someone tell me how the hell your suppose to complete the faction quest for Freeport to Qeynos betrayal that envolve getting back into Freeport once your exiled... Which designer thought these new changes up is a [Removed for Content] and should be canned!!!!</DIV><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE><BR>The same way you get back into Qeynos for those  quest when you betray to freeport. Use the sewers, thieves way, and down below to move around the city and avoid the guards. More or less set up just like the sabatoge quest for each city.

[Magic]

<DIV><BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Tokoth wrote:<BR> <DIV>Can someone tell me how the hell your suppose to complete the faction quest for Freeport to Qeynos betrayal that envolve getting back into Freeport once your exiled... Which designer thought these new changes up is a [Removed for Content] and should be canned!!!!</DIV><BR> <HR> <BR></BLOCKQUOTE></DIV> <DIV> <DIV>Please try to be a little more careful about speaking such harsh words before you know what you're talking about.  Game designers are generally college grads with a decent degree of intelligence and knowledge.  The design of this game is done by a team working and thinking together, not by an individula.  One person would suggest it and then the team would work it out amongst themselves.  They wouldn't intentionally make a quest that didn't have some method of completing it.  Use your brain, man!  Just because the mehod isn't obvious doesn't mean that it can't be done.  Sheesh!!!!  These newbies can be such an opinionated bunch!</DIV></DIV> <P> </P>

[Worland]

<p>Can anyone please tell me " where " I can start the betrayal from Q to F.  I've done the old betrayal which started with Cordun in Q harbor in the fish market but from what Im reading its changed quite a bit.  I've looked "in game" all night and cannot figure out how to start it.</p><p>Thanks!</p><p>Worland</p>

[BK613]

i believe he is by the fence now but i could be wrong

[DrkVsr]

<span style="font-size: small; color: #993300; font-family: comic sans ms,sand">Cordun is still in his normal place in Fish Market Inn, but you first need to speak to the (former) fence's brother who will then send you to speak with Cordun</span>

[scarletbegonias]

<cite>Zheen wrote:</cite><blockquote>(( Has someone completed the entire processs of betraying yet? I have completed the quest to become exiled, but what is the rest of the process of completely changing sides?)) </blockquote> <p>I have made a fae and become an exile... here are my steps...</p><p><a href="http://www.guildportal.com/Guild.aspx?GuildID=123289&ForumID=579569&TabID=1051062&TopicID=4388294" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">http://www.guildportal.com/Guild.as...TopicID=4388294</a></p><p>At the bottom of that linked thread.. you will see an artice able becoming a FP citizen.. looks like it has not changed if you are going from Keth to FP.. it sends you to ANT to follow the old quest lines.. info can be found on <a href="http://www.eq2i.com/" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">www.eq2i.com</a></p>

[DrkVsr]

<span style="font-size: small; color: #993300; font-family: comic sans ms,sand">The quickest way to complete the betrayal (imoa) is to do the Assassinations, it's certainly not easy as even though the mobs scale to your lvl (with at worst a single ^) you will still need a group or a high lvl friend to help you (that was what ah found when mah frog went to FP, some of the mobs were in very nasty areas with regular mobs who would quite happily munch on some fresh froglegs)</span>

[Martrae]

Currently, I am a citizen of Kelethin. I want to betray my class not my town. Will I still lose my acorn if I betray back to Kelethin?

[scarletbegonias]

Breanut@Butcherblock wrote: <blockquote>Currently, I am a citizen of Kelethin. I want to betray my class not my town. Will I still lose my acorn if I betray back to Kelethin? </blockquote><p> If you are a 'neutral' class... ie fury/warden/guard/zerk then you will be able to switch to the other 'neutral' class.. but if you are a 'good' only class (ie.. ranger, templar, paladin, etc etc..) then you wont be given an option to switch when you betray back.. </p><p> hope that helps..</p>