Let your voices be heard.

[S]

<DIV>OK, I've stuck to my accounts through so many changes I did not like, and I've adjusted, like many others have. I find crafting far less enjoyable than I used to (it's also going to be far less profitable with subs gone which I relied heavily on for sales), but the majority likes it, so I'll deal with it. But I've been playing with LU24 since it hit the Test Server, and I have to say, I've never seen such heavy nerfage as in this patch. Why doesn't SOE just come out and say they don't like solo players? I'm sorry SOE, I would LOVE to group, but I can't, I just don't have the time, and neither does a large number of the players out there. Not only that, but even players that group can see how heavy handed these changes are, and I think it's time the nerfs just stop. This has been a constant thing since I started playing this game, and I'm starting to think SOE just doesn't know how to balance aside from nerfs that are never going to end apparently.</DIV> <DIV>If you're like me, and you don't like these changes, it's time we make our voices heard. Not by whining on the forum, since we're just ignored here, but with your money. When this update goes Live, I will be canceling my accounts, and I would advise all others that don't like the changes to do the same. If enough of us do this at once, SOE will finally get the message. And don't worry about losing your characters, if you ever re-open the account they will still be there waiting for you.</DIV> <DIV>This is the only way our dissapproval will be heard. /feedback does nothing if you keep paying them the money they so desperately need. Posting on the forums goes unnoticed by SOE staff, and just draws us into arguments with those that want to see every class except theirs get nerfed.</DIV>

[AbsentmindedMage]

I agree they are taking things way too much towards raids and large grouping.  One of the nice things about a game like WoW is you can basically solo yourself through most of the content. <div></div>

[DCarnage2]

<P>I agree.  I've cancelled my accounts before this topic though.  I love EQ2 but the game keeps changing and it takes so much time to progress in.  I can't get a group in a moments notice so I solo during the week and on the weekend when I have more time I find groups and do raids.  I think SOE needs to beta test better before coming out with the final product so there are minimal nerfs and changes.  I understand why there are nerfs... but I don't understand why there are SO MANY NERFS.  Maybe because there are changes in ideas among the DEV team.... whatever it doesn't matter.</P> <P>I was going to switch to Vanguard: Saga of Heroes but then I found out that SOE has bought they're way into the game.  I'm afraid that if SOE takes full control of it then there will be major nerfs and changes to the core game years after the release.  For example... The inquisitor in Vanguard is a Fighter.  SOE might get a wild hair up their you know what and go... "Why don't we make Vanguard Inquisitors like EQ2 inquisitors"  So I start the game and make an Inquisitor 2 years down the road SOE decided to turn the Inquisitor into a healer with no dps.  Now I'm screwed.  Get the picture?  That's how it is now.  Maybe not so harsh as changing a class from one to another, but changing spells saying they're too overpowered because other classes complain that they do more dps than my class or they heal better than I heal or just plain.... WAAAAWAAAAAAA!</P> <P>So I say this...  "SOE STOP CONSTANTLY CHANGING THE GAME!  FIX THE PROBLEMS AND <U>LEAVE IT ALONE</U>!!!"</P><p>Message Edited by DCarnage2 on <span class=date_text>05-18-2006</span> <span class=time_text>07:58 PM</span>

[Maroger]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> AbsentmindedMage wrote:<BR>I agree they are taking things way too much towards raids and large grouping.  One of the nice things about a game like WoW is you can basically solo yourself through most of the content.<BR> <BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE> <P>I agree I don't like the emphasis on large raids and large groupings. I guess they didn't learn anything from the poll they took on the forum.</P> <P>WoW turns into a raiding game for the end game -- there is basically no game at level 60.</P> <P>I solo exclusively and I am very unhappy with these changes -- they are an essential nerf.</P> <P>I wish they would be more honest and say that their target audience is raiders and large groups and the rest of us can drop dead. They are going to design the game to force us to group or leave the game.!!</P> <P> </P> <P><BR> </P>

[Lukavi]

<blockquote><hr>DCarnage2 wrote:<div></div><div></div><p>I was going to switch to Vanguard: Saga of Heroes but then I found out that SOE has bought they're way into the game.  I'm afraid that if SOE takes full control of it then there will be major nerfs and changes to the core game years after the release.  For example... The inquisitor in Vanguard is a Fighter.  SOE might get a wild hair up their you know what and go... "Why don't we make Vanguard Inquisitors like EQ2 inquisitors"  So I start the game and make an Inquisitor 2 years down the road SOE decided to turn the Inquisitor into a healer with no dps.  Now I'm screwed.  Get the picture?  That's how it is now.  Maybe not so harsh as changing a class from one to another, but changing spells saying they're too overpowered because other classes complain that they do more dps than my class or they heal better than I heal or just plain.... WAAAAWAAAAAAA!</p><p>So I say this...  "SOE STOP CONSTANTLY CHANGING THE GAME!  FIX THE PROBLEMS AND <u>LEAVE IT ALONE</u>!!!"</p><p>Message Edited by DCarnage2 on <span class="date_text">05-18-2006</span><span class="time_text">07:58 PM</span></p><hr></blockquote>Im not sure what drug you are smoking if you think SoE has any control over anything in Vanguard, theyre not touching anything at all game related

[S]

<DIV>Vanguard sounds great except for one major detail, it's primarily a group oriented game. They say only about 20% of the game is geared towards solo players, and since I solo 90% of the time due to time constraints, I will constantly run out of things to do. I don't like World of WarCraft. The style of the game, the look, the too high of an emphasis on soloing (yes, believe it or not I don't want too much of that.), etc. all make WoW a non-contender for me. I liked EQ2 being mostly geared towards both soloers and small groups, with dungeons focusing on large groups and raids. I didn't see anything wrong with that set up. Even I realize the game can't be solo-centric, it's an MMO after all, and playing with others is important, but it shouldn't be forced, and the people that can't play with others (or simply don't want to) shouldn't be punished for it.</DIV> <DIV>Also, I understand nerfs have to be done once in a while, but very very rarely. I don't like the fact that most nerfs aren't for actual balancing purposes, but rather because people playing other classes are jealous and whine and complain about another class doing something better than theirs. I also don't buy the excuse that SOE makes these changes because some people find ways to excel with their characters in their current state and take on things they weren't meant to. I commend people that are able to do that, and realize that not everyone can, so why punish us all because "Joe Shmoe" figured out a tactic to take out an even-conned named ^^^heroic?</DIV>

[HaCkHaCkER]

wrong thread<p>Message Edited by HaCkHaCkER on <span class=date_text>05-19-2006</span> <span class=time_text>12:23 AM</span>

[Tro]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> DCarnage2 wrote:<BR> <P>I agree.  I've cancelled my accounts before this topic though.  I love EQ2 but the game keeps changing and it takes so much time to progress in.  I can't get a group in a moments notice so I solo during the week and on the weekend when I have more time I find groups and do raids.  I think SOE needs to beta test better before coming out with the final product so there are minimal nerfs and changes.  I understand why there are nerfs... <FONT color=#ff0066>but I don't understand why there are SO MANY NERFS.</FONT>  Maybe because there are changes in ideas among the DEV team.... whatever it doesn't matter.</P> <P>I was going to switch to Vanguard: Saga of Heroes but then I found out that SOE has bought they're way into the game.  I'm afraid that if SOE takes full control of it then there will be major nerfs and changes to the core game years after the release.  For example... The inquisitor in Vanguard is a Fighter.  SOE might get a wild hair up their you know what and go... "Why don't we make Vanguard Inquisitors like EQ2 inquisitors"  So I start the game and make an Inquisitor 2 years down the road SOE decided to turn the Inquisitor into a healer with no dps.  Now I'm screwed.  Get the picture?  That's how it is now.  Maybe not so harsh as changing a class from one to another, but changing spells saying they're too overpowered because other classes complain that they do more dps than my class or they heal better than I heal or just plain.... WAAAAWAAAAAAA!</P> <P>So I say this...  "SOE STOP CONSTANTLY CHANGING THE GAME!  FIX THE PROBLEMS AND <U>LEAVE IT ALONE</U>!!!"</P> <P>Message Edited by DCarnage2 on <SPAN class=date_text>05-18-2006</SPAN> <SPAN class=time_text>07:58 PM</SPAN><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE>I can tell you why. This happens when 1) the game is rushed out the door not working as intended for the purpose of increasing your profit margin and 2) no direction/leadership in the Development department. Number 2 is really obvious when they change a class in one LU then [expletive haxx0red by Raijinn] near revert them back again in another LU. SoE FTW!!<BR>

[jhessal69]

<P>Youre all a bunch of whining kids. So what cheap shot gets its timer reduced from 6 sec to 4 sec, big whoop. So they made it where you cant solo heroics anymore(never were supposed to anyway), you all need to take a drink from the Get Over It fountain.</P> <P>These changes are for the best, but PLEASE if you feel like you dont want to pay for the game anymore, please do leave. </P>

[FreaklyCreak]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> jhessal69 wrote:<BR> <P>Youre all a bunch of whining kids. So what cheap shot gets its timer reduced from 6 sec to 4 sec, big whoop. So they made it where you cant solo heroics anymore(never were supposed to anyway), you all need to take a drink from the Get Over It fountain.</P> <P>These changes are for the best, but PLEASE if you feel like you dont want to pay for the game anymore, please do leave. </P><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE> <P><BR>I agree about it is whining no matter how you say it is. Many of the changes are good but I don't agree that they all are. The entire CC revamp is a great idea. I said this before and I will say it again. It wasn't possible the other night without us using consistant stuns to do all of FBSS heritage without a healer without the system like it is. </P> <P>/rant & whine on</P> <P>Now personally I don't think the game should be totally centered on the fact you must have a tank and a healer. It's why I protest the some of the nerfing to tank pets. Tank pets allow me to have a group based on it as MT ever since I started getting MA2 defence spells & my 40% healing staff(I personally don't think that it was a favoritism that made it possible for this item to be in game. Many classes have items they can camp named for to get super great items for there class. So no ranting on this pls!). I find it annoying that I must have a tank in my group in order to do heroics. The swashbuckler and brigand thing can be used but its just not so easy to find that class out there and willing to tank and not just play DPS. </P> <P>/end rant</P>

[Igu]

<DIV><EM>--------------------------------------------------------------------------------<BR>jhessal69 wrote:</EM></DIV> <DIV><EM>Youre all a bunch of whining kids. So what cheap shot gets its timer reduced from 6 sec to 4 sec, big whoop. So they made it where you cant solo heroics anymore(never were supposed to anyway), you all need to take a drink from the Get Over It fountain.</EM></DIV> <DIV><EM>--------------------------------------------------------------------------------<BR></EM>  <BR>There is a LOT more than just a Cheap shot reduction in this patch. But this is a good example. CS is for soloing only and doesn't work on Heroics. So there is no balancing issue here. This like most of the patch is mindless nerfs.</DIV> <DIV><BR><EM>--------------------------------------------------------------------------------<BR>Lukavi wrote:</EM></DIV> <DIV><EM>Im not sure what drug you are smoking if you think SoE has any control over anything in Vanguard, theyre not touching anything at all game related </EM></DIV> <DIV><EM>--------------------------------------------------------------------------------</EM></DIV> <DIV><EM></EM> </DIV> <DIV>Now when was the last time we heard that? Oh yeah it was something liek this: Lucas Arts has control over SWGs, not Sony. We all know how that turned out in the end.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>I stopped playing WoW for 2 reasons: 1 was the 'honor system' (Read: gank everything in sight), 2 was that in the end it was Raid only. At least WoW is clear on what it is (like Vanguard coming up) and not changing completely every few months.</DIV> <DIV>I was looking forward to the AP coming up, but if the day that LU24 cuts over I am not having fun, I will take my $50 (2 Station accounts) and go else where. I wont post here or anything like that.  Just cancel and remove.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV><STRONG>No fun for me = no money for SOE.</STRONG></DIV> <DIV> </DIV>

[kartikeya]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> jhessal69 wrote:<BR> <P>Youre all a bunch of whining kids. So what cheap shot gets its timer reduced from 6 sec to 4 sec, big whoop. So they made it where you cant solo heroics anymore(never were supposed to anyway), you all need to take a drink from the Get Over It fountain.</P> <P>These changes are for the best, but PLEASE if you feel like you dont want to pay for the game anymore, please do leave. </P><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE> <P><BR>You know what's really, really funny?</P> <P>You can't use cheap shot to solo heroics. And if you're a scout trying to solo a heroic by using cheap shot, you're a dead scout. Y'wanna know how we can solo heroics? WE KITE THEM. Yeah. We snare them, and run around like ninnies firing arrows, and hope we don't run off the edge of the island or into a whole bunch of other heroics. Heroics will rip you to bits in melee range. And the funniest thing is, SOE keeps reducing all my abilities that I use to KEEP FROM HAVING TO KITE. Because I know they don't like kiting. </P> <P>Let me once again reiterate, because folks keep missing this--CHEAP SHOT DOES NOT WORK ON HEROICS. WE DO NOT USE THIS IN GROUPS. THE REDUCTION IS FOR SOLO MOBS ONLY.</P>

[KBern]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Maroger wrote:<BR> <BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> AbsentmindedMage wrote:<BR>I agree they are taking things way too much towards raids and large grouping.  One of the nice things about a game like WoW is you can basically solo yourself through most of the content.<BR> <BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE> <P>I agree I don't like the emphasis on large raids and large groupings. I guess they didn't learn anything from the poll they took on the forum.</P> <P>WoW turns into a raiding game for the end game -- there is basically no game at level 60.</P> <P>I solo exclusively and I am very unhappy with these changes -- they are an essential nerf.</P> <P>I wish they would be more honest and say that their target audience is raiders and large groups and the rest of us can drop dead. They are going to design the game to force us to group or leave the game.!!</P> <P></P> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE>The poll is utterly meaningless.<BR>

[Thicket Tundrabog]

Ok... I'll try and let my voice be heard.Thanks to all the people that make EQ2 a great game <span>:smileyhappy:</span>. The vast majority of changes made since launch have been improvements, and I don't doubt that that the current update will follow that trend. I won't comment on changes to classes I don't play but the tradeskill changes will make things better. Yay for finally getting Tier VI rare carpenter recipes. As for my Fury main adventurer, I see a couple of small spell improvements and nothing significant that unbalances my class.<div></div>