Why thread about trashing LU24 was deleted?

[Elephant]

<DIV>Just wondering... usually they would just lock inappropriate thread and post explanation why this was done, so everyone can read it.</DIV> <DIV>What was wrong about that thread anyway?</DIV> <DIV>Isn't it an In Testing FEEDBACK board?</DIV>

[Xti]

<div></div>hate to say it, but they couldnt care less about what we thinkjust milkin us of all our money then driving us away <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /> this is how sony has done in it every game they have "taken over"<div></div><p>Message Edited by Xtife on <span class=date_text>05-17-2006</span> <span class=time_text>06:14 AM</span>

[Saihung23]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Xtife wrote:<BR> hate to say it, but they couldnt care less about what we think<BR><BR>just milkin us of all our money then driving us away <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /> this is how sony has done in it every game they have "taken over"<BR> <P>Message Edited by Xtife on <SPAN class=date_text>05-17-2006</SPAN> <SPAN class=time_text>06:14 AM</SPAN><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE> <P><BR>Question, why do you play?  Why do you give Sony your money if they are so obviously immoral in your opinion.  If they dont care about you why dont you go cry on your mammy's lap instead of on the forums?</P> <P>They deleted your stupid thread because it lacked thought, manners, and anything constructive.</P> <P>This thread will likely be locked for similar reasons.</P> <P>Why not go start your own webpage with forums so you and all the other haters can go post about how no major corporation cares about the little guy and just wants your money and blah blah blah whine whine whine</P> <P>Stop posting here though...youre polluting the bandwith.</P>

[Elephant]

<DIV>Xtife - yep that's what I figured...</DIV> <DIV>It had 100% of people replying just to agree LU24 need to be scrapped.</DIV> <DIV>Probably, this is not kind of thread they wanted to keep somewhere in history (and that what happens when they just lock thread).</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>I think it is huge mistake that they delete threads with feedback from customers.</DIV> <DIV>People are actually investing THEIR time when replying to such threads and posting their opinions that would help make this game BETTER.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Now, somebody just kills the thread by clicking a single button, ruining all the time and effort of those people.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>IMO this is very disrespectful behavior from SOE.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>P.S. That was not MY thread</DIV> <P>  <P>Saihung - there cannot be any good excuses to not respecting customers' opinions and point of view...</P><p>Message Edited by Elephanton on <span class=date_text>05-17-2006</span> <span class=time_text>06:28 AM</span>

[Geakor]

<blockquote><hr>Saihung23 wrote:<BR><BLOCKQUOTE><HR>Xtife wrote:<BR>hate to say it, but they couldnt care less about what we think<BR><BR>just milkin us of all our money then driving us away <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /> this is how sony has done in it every game they have "taken over"<BR><P>Message Edited by Xtife on <SPAN class=date_text>05-17-2006</SPAN> <SPAN class=time_text>06:14 AM</SPAN><BR><HR></BLOCKQUOTE><P><BR>Question, why do you play?  Why do you give Sony your money if they are so obviously immoral in your opinion.  If they dont care about you why dont you go cry on your mammy's lap instead of on the forums?</P><P>They deleted your stupid thread because it lacked thought, manners, and anything constructive.</P><P>This thread will likely be locked for similar reasons.</P><P>Why not go start your own webpage with forums so you and all the other haters can go post about how no major corporation cares about the little guy and just wants your money and blah blah blah whine whine whine</P><P>Stop posting here though...youre polluting the bandwith.</P><hr></blockquote>Well I for one am happy you just cried like a baby like the rest of em. First off if you think about it if half the EQ2 population thinks "Oh gee this new LU just isn't going to work." You might relize oh man maybe something needs to be changed in this update. But no, alas once SOE makes up their mind its their way or the highway men. Not going to stay here and argue with you just think about the other side and WHY did a whole post get deleted? That is not the way things should be done either but again we're not running the big show now are we!!FYI, I LOVE EQ2...... think im addicted ehh

[Ildarus]

<P>IBTL :smileyvery-happy:</P> <P><BR> </P> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Xtife wrote:<BR> hate to say it, but they couldnt care less about what we think<BR><BR>just milkin us of all our money then driving us away <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /> this is how sony has done in it every game they have "taken over"<BR> <P>Message Edited by Xtife on <SPAN class=date_text>05-17-2006</SPAN><SPAN class=time_text>06:14 AM</SPAN><BR></P> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE> <P>If you truly feel this why please just do everyone a favor and leave. SOE is in the business of making money otherwise they wouldn't be here and you do have a choice. I have my suspicions that they are making these changes to make the gaming experience better as a whole, not to [Removed for Content] off the few like you seem to think and don't say that the board is full of people that are [Removed for Content] off because that may be true, but this board represents a fraction of the players in this game. This forum represents the few.<BR></P>

[onorc]

<P>Elephanton, you're a crybaby.</P> <P>Do you really want this saved for everyone to see?</P> <P>I know I do. </P> <P> </P> <P>Waste the space!!! Power to the pointless threads!!!!!</P>

[mazzy]

<P>so, becuase one disagree's with upcoming changes  they hate the game and "you" all jump right on the leave game band wagon!</P> <P>changes are made in game , some will like , some wont,  that is what makes us all individual people...however, </P> <P>becuase i post my opinon and it doesnt match yours, you dont have the right (nor i you) to tell someone bascialy to "if you dont like it leave" many will adjust and continue to play regardless of what changes are made, why? becuase they do like  the game and thats what keeps them loggin in, but we are all still entitled to our own opinions.</P> <P>after LU16 and having to redue at level 50 all of my changes +signs on my inquistor i absolutley hated it!, i hated that class after that update..did it stop me from playing? no, but it did reduce the amount of time i now invest in that character, o felt the changes to that class after lu16 hinderd what i was  able to do with her prior, but then again that is just my opinon, and may not be what others think of the same thing.</P> <P>be careful of what you bash on others, for one day, SoE may change somthing about your class you dont like, and then those words you type bashing others will bite you in your own [expletive haxx0red by Raijinn]!</P>

[enrique_to]

<div><blockquote><hr>Elephanton wrote:<div>Just wondering... usually they would just lock inappropriate thread and post explanation why this was done, so everyone can read it.</div> <div>What was wrong about that thread anyway?</div> <div>Isn't it an In Testing FEEDBACK board?</div><hr></blockquote>Cause it was not a constructive one. It almost said. <i>Worst LU ever. Quit it. Dev, Don't have children</i>I agree I dislike this new LU. But it's since LU 13 one of the hardest LU SOE ever try. No one wants this LU is normal. It's a radical change. May be it make EQ2 better, may be they should make another LU preatty soon  to fix that mess. I think SOE takes too much time with this LU to make them change their mind. Post before Locked or deleted <b>LOL</b></div>

[Xti]

things like this will not make me stop playingim just pointing out that sony makes very poor choices, even more so that they ignore 75% of all customer feedbacki can not understand why people support them for doing that, you guys should all be with me on thisyou are the reason why they dont care<div></div>

[Knesh]

<DIV><BR></DIV> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Ildarus wrote:<BR> <P>IBTL :smileyvery-happy:</P> <P><BR> </P> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Xtife wrote:<BR> hate to say it, but they couldnt care less about what we think<BR><BR>just milkin us of all our money then driving us away <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /> this is how sony has done in it every game they have "taken over"<BR> <P>Message Edited by Xtife on <SPAN class=date_text>05-17-2006</SPAN><SPAN class=time_text>06:14 AM</SPAN><BR></P> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE> <P>If you truly feel this why please just do everyone a favor and leave. SOE is in the business of making money otherwise they wouldn't be here and you do have a choice. I have my suspicions that they are making these changes to make the gaming experience better as a whole, not to [Removed for Content] off the few like you seem to think and don't say that the board is full of people that are [Removed for Content] off because that may be true, but this board represents a fraction of the players in this game. This forum represents the few.<BR></P><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE> <DIV>So because he pays SOE like all of us he is not allowed to complain about the product? Last time I heard this was not a communist country. We as citizens have the right to address our concerns any way we like to companies that provide us goods and services. The simple fact is - he pays SOE because he enjoys some aspects of the game, enough to warrant him to stay a customer. But he IS the customer if he is unhappy about a change he has that right - to voice his opinion that he is unhappy. The fact that SOE seems to be removing threads that are ultimately complaining about a change to its game by subscribers is flat out WRONG. Even in the letter by the president of SOE says he VALUES our input both critically and postive. So why oh why SOE was the post REMOVED? This is thread is NOT about how oh so and so hates it so why stay thread. Stay on the point. The fact is a thread was removed by SOE because it critized there game in a bad light.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Do I feel the changes are good yes, but thats only from a paladin standpoint since I play one. But it appears the changes are hurting other classes very badly. Another post hit the nail on the head stating "soes vision of classes changes every few months, balancing them seems impossible" paraphrasing it.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>The thread was from my readings where on point and not off topic in anyway. So why was the thread removed?<BR></DIV>

[Wingrider01]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Knesh wrote:<BR> <DIV><BR></DIV> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Ildarus wrote:<BR> <P>IBTL :smileyvery-happy:</P> <P><BR> </P> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Xtife wrote:<BR> hate to say it, but they couldnt care less about what we think<BR><BR>just milkin us of all our money then driving us away <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /> this is how sony has done in it every game they have "taken over"<BR> <P>Message Edited by Xtife on <SPAN class=date_text>05-17-2006</SPAN><SPAN class=time_text>06:14 AM</SPAN><BR></P> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE> <P>If you truly feel this why please just do everyone a favor and leave. SOE is in the business of making money otherwise they wouldn't be here and you do have a choice. I have my suspicions that they are making these changes to make the gaming experience better as a whole, not to [Removed for Content] off the few like you seem to think and don't say that the board is full of people that are [Removed for Content] off because that may be true, but this board represents a fraction of the players in this game. This forum represents the few.<BR></P><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE> <DIV>So because he pays SOE like all of us he is not allowed to complain about the product? Last time I heard this was not a communist country. We as citizens have the right to address our concerns any way we like to companies that provide us goods and services. The simple fact is - he pays SOE because he enjoys some aspects of the game, enough to warrant him to stay a customer. But he IS the customer if he is unhappy about a change he has that right - to voice his opinion that he is unhappy. The fact that SOE seems to be removing threads that are ultimately complaining about a change to its game by subscribers is flat out WRONG. Even in the letter by the president of SOE says he VALUES our input both critically and postive. So why oh why SOE was the post REMOVED? This is thread is NOT about how oh so and so hates it so why stay thread. Stay on the point. The fact is a thread was removed by SOE because it critized there game in a bad light.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Do I feel the changes are good yes, but thats only from a paladin standpoint since I play one. But it appears the changes are hurting other classes very badly. Another post hit the nail on the head stating "soes vision of classes changes every few months, balancing them seems impossible" paraphrasing it.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>The thread was from my readings where on point and not off topic in anyway. So why was the thread removed?<BR></DIV><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE><BR>They have all the right to complain if they are not happy, what they do not have is the right to violate the published policies of a private corporate sponsored forum.

[Solvar]

<DIV>It's what SoE does best. [Removed for Content] off and ignore the customers. They may be patting themselves on the back because they're #1 but it's only because of viscious business decisions which keep most of the good games in the SoE name. If you went the the Vanguard forums right after it was announced that SoE was goin in with them on it there was absolute chaos. It's solely because of SoE's bad rep and how they've messed with people in the past</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Conversely Blizzard has such a good rep that with their first MMO they get 5 million people and bring millions of people who never played MMO's into the industry. It does pay to listen to the customers.. but SoE is just too proud to do it.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV>

[Xti]

<div></div><div></div>so your saying its wrong to complain on the forums? how the heck do i give feedback thenthis is proof right here that that making it wrong to post feedback on the forums that soe couldnt care less<div></div><p>Message Edited by Xtife on <span class=date_text>12-03-2004</span> <span class=time_text>07:32 AM</span>

[Elephant]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Xtife wrote:<BR> so your saying its wrong to complain on the forums? how the heck do i give feedback then<BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE> <P><BR>Well, we all got this question answered today.</P> <P>This is how SOE needs/cares about your feedback.</P> <P><FONT face=Century size=5>They just dump it.</FONT></P> <P>Here you go.</P><p>Message Edited by Elephanton on <span class=date_text>05-17-2006</span> <span class=time_text>07:40 AM</span>

[reaper_m]

<DIV>What you need to do when making that kind of thread is to insert "troubadour" somewhere in the title.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Threads about troubies are routinely ignored. No worries about your post disappearing mysteriously in the middle of the night.</DIV>

[Ixnay]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Elephanton wrote:<BR> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>It had 100% of people replying just to agree LU24 need to be scrapped.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <P>  <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE> <P>Don't exaggerate to this extent please, 100% of the people do not agree that LU24 needs to be scrapped lol.  I sure don't.</P> <P>100% of the people don't agree about anything in any forum or thread on EQ2players.com.<BR></P>

[Elephant]

<DIV>Yep I was... errr... exaggerating <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /></DIV> <DIV>Sure, it was more like 95% for trashing on that thread, the rest 5% were Pallys LOL.</DIV>

[Devasq]

So how many have actually played with the new LU on the test server or do you all just hate it because of what you read (which haven't been updated by Blackguard to say what the real changes are).  <blockquote><hr>Note: All of the control spell changes listed here are subject to change before they go live. In fact, since these notes were written based on data from 05/04/06 and Blackguard will be in LA by the time you read this, much of it has changed before even going to Test. The notes should be a lot more sane by next week when he gets back.<hr></blockquote><div></div>Ok now carry on with the "pay attention to me, Mommy!!" routine.

[Echgar]

<div></div><div><blockquote><hr>Elephanton wrote:<div>Just wondering... usually they would just lock inappropriate thread and post explanation why this was done, so everyone can read it.</div><div>What was wrong about that thread anyway?</div><div>Isn't it an In Testing FEEDBACK board?</div><hr></blockquote>I didn't handle the original thread, but by the looks of it, it was a petition, which is not permitted on the forums (<a href="http://eqiiforums.station.sony.com/eq2/board/message?board.id=faq&message.id=25" target="_blank">Forum Rules of Conduct</a>).  I'm not sure why it was removed rather then just locked, but it is not part of some grand conspiracy to hide player concerns about the update.If you have concerns about a locked thread, the best way to go is to just PM a moderator.  We don't bite (well, most of us!).  Opening up a thread to complain about a locked (or in this case, removed) thread just tends to create more grief then the original thread. <span>:smileyhappy:</span>I understand some posters have concerns about the upcoming update and as I stated above, there is no attempt to hide player concerns.  From the <a href="http://eqiiforums.station.sony.com/eq2/board/message?board.id=faq&message.id=25" target="_blank">Forum Rules of Conduct</a>:<blockquote>In general, you may post any material written in a courteous and mature manner, providing that it is on-topic for the forum to which you are posting. This includes material that disagrees with the way that we, the developers, operate the game. We will not interfere with the communication of thoughts and ideas as long as the presentation is constructive and appropriate for all those capable of reading the forum.</blockquote></div>