Does SoE think they can include arbitrary non-CC related nerfs without us noticing?

[Grim0]

<div></div>Why make the single Ranged Attack of the Brigand Class take so [expletive haxx0red by Raijinn] long to cast that it'll be virtually impossible to use in PvP? What's the purpose of this in PvE, for that matter?Do you think it's strange that I would make a thread to call out one specific change that only affects one class? The point is that SoE believes they can toss in whatever RANDOM, ARBITRARY nerfs they want in this patch that have nothing at all to do with Control spells. In the massive complaining about those, no one will bother to complain about the "small" changes. However, this is not a small change for the Brigand class. This is a huge nerf in PvP. It's our ONLY ranged attack, and it's not like we're damage machines at range anyway. What's the point?So let's hear about the other arbitrary, non CC-related nerfs that other classes are suffering from in this thread.<div></div><p>Message Edited by Grim001 on <span class=date_text>05-12-2006</span> <span class=time_text>04:40 PM</span>

[djewt1]

<P>Does the cast time change.... It's atm one of my most used spells for pvp...</P> <P>Ahh well gues I will get used to not using it to open a battle, to bad i just got the lvl 44 one adept3...</P><p>Message Edited by djewt1 on <span class=date_text>05-13-2006</span> <span class=time_text>01:45 AM</span>

[Lea]

<div><blockquote><hr>Grim001 wrote:<div></div>Do you think it's strange that I would make a thread to call out one specific change that only affects one class? The point is that SoE believes they can toss in whatever RANDOM, ARBITRARY nerfs they want in this patch that have nothing at all to do with Control spells. In the massive complaining about those, no one will bother to complain about the "small" changes. However, this is not a small change for the Brigand class. This is a huge nerf in PvP. It's our ONLY ranged attack, and it's not like we're damage machines at range anyway. What's the point?So let's hear about the other arbitrary, non CC-related nerfs that other classes are suffering from in this thread.<div></div><p>Message Edited by Grim001 on <span class="date_text">05-12-2006</span> <span class="time_text">04:40 PM</span></p><hr></blockquote>I think its strange you would make a thread that immediately starts off as flame bait when you're looking for an answer and possibly to sway the devs into changing their minds.  The way you did it just makes you look like an [expletive haxx0red by Raijinn].But you and SOE should get along, since you both toss in whatever RANDOM, ARBITRARY thing you feel like.  In your case, it's completely baseless accusations brought up to create some sort of stir.  Again, you just look like a massive [expletive haxx0red by Raijinn].Oh, and it's "S<b>O</b>E".  There's no "of" in Sony Online Entertainment.  God, that bugs me.</div>

[Pins]

I'm confused, isn't the single ranged attack for brigands also a stun?  Thus, it isn't non-Crowd Control.

[Lockeye]

<DIV>How can something that did not happen possibly try to go unnoticed? Please provide feedback that you have tested on the test server, and not based on speculation or rumor.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>The Casting Time of the Brigand's ranged combat art was not changed.</DIV><p>Message Edited by Lockeye on <span class=date_text>05-12-2006</span> <span class=time_text>05:35 PM</span>

[Rushmonst]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Lockeye wrote:<BR> <DIV>How can something that did not happen possibly try to go unnoticed? Please provide feedback that you have tested on the test server, and not based on speculation or rumor.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>The Casting Time of the Brigand's ranged combat art was not changed.</DIV> <P>Message Edited by Lockeye on <SPAN class=date_text>05-12-2006</SPAN> <SPAN class=time_text>05:35 PM</SPAN><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE> <P><BR>Now thats too funny.</P> <P>Avantari</P>

[ganjookie]

Way to wtfpwnzrous Lockeye!!<div></div>

[Thax]

owned

[Lornick]

So we don't have the right to complain about fictional/hypothetical nerfs now?  HELP, HELP!  I'M BEING OPPRESSED!

[Hamervelder]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Lockeye wrote:<BR> <DIV>How can something that did not happen possibly try to go unnoticed? Please provide feedback that you have tested on the test server, and not based on speculation or rumor.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>The Casting Time of the Brigand's ranged combat art was not changed.</DIV> <P>Message Edited by Lockeye on <SPAN class=date_text>05-12-2006</SPAN> <SPAN class=time_text>05:35 PM</SPAN><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE><BR>[expletive haxx0red by Raijinn], I'll bet the OP feels stupid now.

[Grim0]

Well that's what I get for believing the Brigand boards. LOL<div></div>

[Nuhus]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Lockeye wrote:<BR> <DIV>How can something that did not happen possibly try to go unnoticed? Please provide feedback that you have tested on the test server, and not based on speculation or rumor.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>The Casting Time of the Brigand's ranged combat art was not changed.</DIV> <P>Message Edited by Lockeye on <SPAN class=date_text>05-12-2006</SPAN> <SPAN class=time_text>05:35 PM</SPAN><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE> <P>I think people prefer conspiracy theories. It's much more fun to be dramatic and over react. SOE is obviously against us all and wants to ruin any enjoyment out of a game that we can possibly have and make my class suck. </P> <P>/end_joke<BR></P><p>Message Edited by Nuhus on <span class=date_text>05-12-2006</span> <span class=time_text>09:51 PM</span>

[Fern]

<div><blockquote><hr>Grim001 wrote:Well that's what I get for believing the Brigand boards. LOL<div></div><hr></blockquote>Something on the Internet wasn't true?  Amazing.Believe only what you see yourself, and even then expect to be wrong half the time.</div>

[Snublefot]

So how about adressing the nerfs that did go in? In a respectfull manner? Instead of just going wild trying to talk as many players as possible down? Its in the attitude, and its a bad one.

[Thax]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Snublefot wrote:<BR> So how about adressing the nerfs that did go in? In a respectfull manner? Instead of just going wild trying to talk as many players as possible down? Its in the attitude, and its a bad one.<BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE> <P><BR>Here, you forgot your soapbox.</P> <P><IMG src="http://percypringle.com/Photos/soapbox.gif"></P>

[Kurizok]

<FONT size=2> <P>Lockeye wrote:</P> <P>How can something that did not happen possibly try to go unnoticed? Please provide feedback that you have tested on the test server, and not based on speculation or rumor.</P> <P>The Casting Time of the Brigand's ranged combat art was not changed.</P> <P>Message Edited by Lockeye on 05-12-2006 05:35 PM</P> <P>Or do you mean taking a group of people into a raid instance and avoiding the mobs because "they take too long to kill" and you just want to test out the raid mob. To later find out that the trash mobs have more hitpoints than the named encounters?</P> <P>All most people have is what they read on the forums. And most the time all of that gets ignored, properly tested or not. How many times are you going to release changes that are not properly tested? I ask this because it happens over and over and over and over and over and over.</P> <P>Don't blast the players because we freak out when something else gets messed up, again and again and again and again and again and again and again.</P> <P>How about instead of lighting us on fire we implement a better way to test? One that works.</P> <P>Blackguard wrote:</P> <P>This is an early warning that the update notes for Test Update #24 won't be entirely correct. Not everything that makes it in will be in the notes, and some things will change before they go to Test (particularly in the case of the control spell changes). These notes will be posted when data goes to Test, but they will only be current as of today since I will be in Los Angeles for E3 as of tomorrow morning (as will the others who tend to do the notes in my absence). I thought you'd rather see notes that weren't quite current than none at all, so they'll still be posted.</P> <P>This one snuck in without my knowledge. It was, in fact, a bug that you could move with those racial stealth traits. The change a long while back that made it so stealth did not reduce your speed was a blanket change that unintentionally made these racial traits non-stationary. It has been a while and, though the descriptions haven't changed, they were still not supposed to be giving you movement-allowed stealth. Apologies for not getting that into the update notes. We'll be allowing you to respec your character advancement choices soon because of this change</P> <P>So what happened, test players? Did you get a chance to check this out, or did it get snuck under your nose?</P> <P>The same problem with hurricane looks to be happening with this skill as well. Sorry about that and a fix is already on the way</P></FONT>

[Kegofbud]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Grim001 wrote:<BR>Well that's what I get for believing the Brigand boards. LOL<BR> <BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE><BR>Grim, I believe you saw this somewhere if you say you did, but I never saw anyone say anything about the casting timer on that art. Try not to throw us under the bus in your flame war. :smileytongue:

[Belaythien]

<div><blockquote><hr>Grim001 wrote:<div></div>[...]So let's hear about the other arbitrary, non CC-related nerfs that other classes are suffering from in this thread.<div></div><hr></blockquote>Just to add a nerf that fits that category .. two actually <span><span>:smileywink:</span></span>A Dirge spell (Lanet's) which was a debuff+DD get's its damage at least cut in half (probably more due to higher recast AND lower damage) and the debuff is turned into some daze. So it wasn't a CC Spell but now is ... with heavily reduced effectiveness <span>:smileymad:</span>A Dirge ranged attack had it's recast increased. It was one of our most worthless spells anyway (very low damage and a manadrain that's totally useless).</div>