Relic Armor with Betrayal

[Threepwood51]

<DIV>Hey all, If I am currently a Guardian with Guardian only relic armor, and i betray to a berserker, what happens to my GUARDIAN only relic armor? anyone experienced this yet? Thanks.</DIV> <DIV>Threep</DIV>

[Sta]

i would assume u keep it but cant wear it..making it useless, but that is just an assumption so don't take my word for it. remember its SOE they like to screw you

[Aeralik]

<DIV>If you change classes during betrayal and have a class specific item then it will be moved to your inventory when the class changes.  Any items which are still useable by your new class will still be useable of course.</DIV>

[Rast]

currently that seems to be the case.  I had a freeport crusader sword when I betrayed and once it was done i could no longer equip it because it was a freeport item (which I thought was stupid and left me without a weapon)

[Kraks_Aforty]

<div><blockquote><hr>Aeralik wrote:<div>If you change classes during betrayal and have a class specific item then it will be moved to your inventory when the class changes.  Any items which are still useable by your new class will still be useable of course.</div><hr></blockquote>So that's a no?</div>

[Sta]

lame

[NalerianC]

Can you betray to different class if you are a neutral class? (guardian to berserker, warlock to wizard, warden to fury, dirge to troub) ?

[EQ2Playa432]

<div></div>So you are <strike>seeing</strike> saying if we do all this work to get our Relic gear, and then betray, we need to do it ALL over again, all those raids, instead of just exchanging our gear for opposite class?<div></div><p>Message Edited by EQ2Playa432 on <span class=date_text>05-12-2006</span> <span class=time_text>07:57 PM</span>

[Jida]

<div><blockquote><hr>EQ2Playa432 wrote:So you are seeing if we do all this work to get our Relic gear, and then betray, we need to do it ALL over again, all those raids, instead of just exchanging our gear for opposite class?<div></div><hr></blockquote>correct.One of the penalties for betraying i guess.If you dont like it.. dont betray <img src="/smilies/8a80c6485cd926be453217d59a84a888.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /></div>

[MorgothTheTerrib]

<DIV>"So you are seeing if we do all this work to get our Relic gear, and then betray, we need to do it ALL over again, all those raids, instead of just exchanging our gear for opposite class?"</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Is that so hard to believe? It would be pretty dumb to allow a Paladin to still use SK only armor after betraying. That's one of the reason you shouldn't do the betrayal. Personally, I don't see the point of betraying at a higher level anyway if you're gonna lose all your master spells and relic armor. That's just me though.</DIV>

[Almeric_CoS]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Jida wrote:<BR> <DIV><BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> EQ2Playa432 wrote:<BR>So you are seeing if we do all this work to get our Relic gear, and then betray, we need to do it ALL over again, all those raids, instead of just exchanging our gear for opposite class?<BR> <BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE><BR>correct.<BR><BR>One of the penalties for betraying i guess.<BR><BR>If you dont like it.. dont betray <img src="/smilies/8a80c6485cd926be453217d59a84a888.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /><BR></DIV><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE> <P><BR>Yay for reason <img src="/smilies/8a80c6485cd926be453217d59a84a888.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /></P> <P>Geesh, people who have the best gear in the game can still find reasons to complain.  Shamful.</P>

[Recca[BK]]

yeah relic armor is sooo hard to get, killing trash mobs really doesnt take much skill im sorry. you can go two group trash mobs. and im glad you have a to pay a high proce to betray. i just hope they dont back down like they used usually ie death penalties.

[Lornick]

Sounds fair to me.  Why would your armor magically change?

[EQ2Playa432]

First of all I was setting up a hypothetical question. I do NOT have relic gear, and I am NOT betraying.<div></div>

[KBern]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> EQ2Playa432 wrote:<BR> So you are <STRIKE>seeing</STRIKE> saying if we do all this work to get our Relic gear, and then betray, we need to do it ALL over again, all those raids, instead of just exchanging our gear for opposite class?<BR> <P>Message Edited by EQ2Playa432 on <SPAN class=date_text>05-12-2006</SPAN><SPAN class=time_text>07:57 PM</SPAN><BR></P> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE> <P><BR>It simply makes sense.</P> <P>The illusionist in our guild has saved coercer masters and also has not bid on relic, other than pieces he has saved in his bank to turn in after he betrays.</P>

[pikeymoose]

There may be a few Troubadors betraying to dirge. Sony has gimped the class to the point of having less to lose as a naked 70 dirge than rerolling and leveling up to 70.Not sure about the other classes, but it is a gift for us Troubadors.Moose

[ForgottenFoundling]

<DIV><BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> pikeymoose wrote:<BR>There may be a few Troubadors betraying to dirge. Sony has gimped the class to the point of having less to lose as a naked 70 dirge than rerolling and leveling up to 70.<BR><BR>Not sure about the other classes, but it is a gift for us Troubadors.<BR><BR>Moose<BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE><BR>WORD!!!  </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>I may betray, but unfortunately troubs are few and incredibly far between on my server and in my guild.  If we found another one, I'd be all over that quest!!!</DIV>

[minionofdeath]

I've been anticipating this for several months now.  That's why I don't even have the class helm quest in my journal yet, and have not gotten any relic items.  If you were plate, then you'll still be able to wear it.  But anything that is specifically a class item, like "Guardian", "Shadowknight" etc. is going to be vendor fodder once you betray.<div></div>

[Koehianna]

I'm really glad I decided to hold off on getting anything class-specific.Phew.<span></span><div></div>

[Snarks]

god forbid they make switching your class (stupid idea anyways) have a consequence <div></div>

[Pouncer74]

I fully support the current plan for betrayal.  Changing your entire class is a HUGE event and should have consequences.  If you are no longer a guardian then your guardian armor has no use to you.....go out and get some zerker armor!

[Ydiss]

<div></div><div>NM, edited</div><p>Message Edited by Ydiss on <span class=date_text>05-14-2006</span> <span class=time_text>12:19 AM</span>

[Ydiss]

<div></div><div></div><div><blockquote><hr>pikeymoose wrote:There may be a few Troubadors betraying to dirge. Sony has gimped the class to the point of having less to lose as a naked 70 dirge than rerolling and leveling up to 70.Not sure about the other classes, but it is a gift for us Troubadors.Moose<hr></blockquote>As I posted above... Troubs and dirges are neutral and, unless I'm sorely mistaken and the whole EQ2 world has changed on me overnight, when you betray as a troubador you will remain a troubador.Edit: Someone's said elsewhere we will be able to choose to switch neutral classes. I've never seen this but I'll accept it as fact <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /></div><p>Message Edited by Ydiss on <span class=date_text>05-14-2006</span> <span class=time_text>12:18 AM</span>

[Rathe]

<DIV>hopefully, if you do have class specific items, and you betray, the least they can do is un-attune the items so you can sell on broker, or somthing, unless its no-drop...</DIV>

[Koehianna]

<div><blockquote><hr>Ydiss wrote:<div></div><div></div><div><blockquote><hr>pikeymoose wrote:There may be a few Troubadors betraying to dirge. Sony has gimped the class to the point of having less to lose as a naked 70 dirge than rerolling and leveling up to 70.Not sure about the other classes, but it is a gift for us Troubadors.Moose<hr></blockquote>As I posted above... Troubs and dirges are neutral and, unless I'm sorely mistaken and the whole EQ2 world has changed on me overnight, when you betray as a troubador you will remain a troubador.Edit: Someone's said elsewhere we will be able to choose to switch neutral classes. I've never seen this but I'll accept it as fact <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /></div><hr></blockquote>It's true that neutral classes will get to choose whther or not they want to stay the same class.As for class-specific armor, you should know whether or not you're going to betray and plan ahead.  I knew for a long time that once I heard about the new betrayal quests I was gonna change my class.  So I started searching for masters of the other class and refrained from getting anything higher than adept III for myself.  I always have put the Hooluk hat quest on hold and such. Betraying is a huge deal and there <i>should</i> be penalties to betraying.</div>

[Cusashorn]

<DIV>I can't remember which post I saw that dev response in, but any class-specific armor you're wearing will automaticaly move to your inventory/overflow as soon as you become the other class. This means that your Relic armor and Hoo'Luk are now completely useless. Yes, Your Hoo'luk hat.</DIV><p>Message Edited by Cusashorn on <span class=date_text>05-14-2006</span> <span class=time_text>06:34 PM</span>

[Koehianna]

<div><blockquote><hr>Cusashorn wrote:<div></div> <div>I can't remember which post I saw that dev response in, but any class-specific armor you're wearing will automaticaly move to your inventory/overflow as soon as you become the other class. This means that your Relic armor and Hoo'Luk are now completely useless. Yes, Your Hoo'luk hat.</div><p>Message Edited by Cusashorn on <span class="date_text">05-14-2006</span> <span class="time_text">06:34 PM</span></p><hr></blockquote>It was in this thread.  :p</div>

[Tallika_Runwithbears]

<div><blockquote><hr>NalerianC wrote:Can you betray to different class if you are a neutral class? (guardian to berserker, warlock to wizard, warden to fury, dirge to troub) ?<hr></blockquote>no.  that has been answered before.  only class changes are the non neutral classes.SK to Pally, Conj to Necro and Templar to Inq.</div>

[Travesty]

<P><FONT face="Comic Sans MS" color=#ffff00 size=2>Id like to get confirmation about Horses, Mistrunners and Nightmares, in particular.  How about horses that are only available to citizen of either Qeynosians or FPers only...if I betray to FP, will I still have the use of my Mistrunner, or do you suggest selling the whistle before I betray ?</FONT></P> <P><FONT face="Comic Sans MS" color=#ffff00 size=2>Thank you...</FONT></P>

[Rijacki]

<div><blockquote><hr>Tallika_Runwithbears wrote:<div><blockquote><hr>NalerianC wrote:Can you betray to different class if you are a neutral class? (guardian to berserker, warlock to wizard, warden to fury, dirge to troub) ?<hr></blockquote>no.  that has been answered before.  only class changes are the non neutral classes.SK to Pally, Conj to Necro and Templar to Inq.</div><hr></blockquote>The only -required- change and only if going to the opposite city is the non-neutral.  The neutral classes whether or not betraying to the opposite city can be changed to the other one.That's been in several official announcements over the last weeks since the new betrayal was first announced, before KoS and the PvP servers went Live.</div>

[Nubbin]

<BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Tallika_Runwithbears wrote: <DIV>no.  that has been answered before.  only class changes are the non neutral classes. SK to Pally, Conj to Necro and Templar to Inq.</DIV> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE>You can already change neutral classes using the current betrayal quest. I experienced it firsthand yesterday. Whereas the current betrayal quest used to end in Commonlands/Antonica with the quest NPC giving you the new gate spell and allowing you to ding past level 17 and access the new city, the Betrayal quest NPC now tells you to see either of the neutral class trainers to choose your class. It is not until you run into town, visit a trainer, have all your spells reset to App1 do you get the new gate spell. You also have to rechoose all the racial abilities, creature mastery and master2 spells. Plus, if you are 101% or more experience into level 17, you have to do something to earn experience to ding into level 18 or 19. When currently betraying at level 17, you can only earn experince up to 207%into level 17. Which is just enough to reach level 19 when you complete the quest.<p>Message Edited by Nubbin on <span class=date_text>05-15-2006</span> <span class=time_text>05:49 PM</span>

[Cusashorn]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Koehianna wrote:<BR> <DIV><BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Cusashorn wrote:<BR> <DIV>I can't remember which post I saw that dev response in, but any class-specific armor you're wearing will automaticaly move to your inventory/overflow as soon as you become the other class. This means that your Relic armor and Hoo'Luk are now completely useless. Yes, Your Hoo'luk hat.</DIV> <P>Message Edited by Cusashorn on <SPAN class=date_text>05-14-2006</SPAN> <SPAN class=time_text>06:34 PM</SPAN><BR></P> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE><BR><BR>It was in this thread.  :p<BR></DIV><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE> <P><BR>GAH!!!<BR></P> <P><BR>T_T I can't believe I passed right over the post. T_T</P>

[Cusashorn]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Travestyz wrote:<BR> <P><FONT face="Comic Sans MS" color=#ffff00 size=2>Id like to get confirmation about Horses, Mistrunners and Nightmares, in particular.  How about horses that are only available to citizen of either Qeynosians or FPers only...if I betray to FP, will I still have the use of my Mistrunner, or do you suggest selling the whistle before I betray ?</FONT></P> <P><FONT face="Comic Sans MS" color=#ffff00 size=2>Thank you...</FONT></P><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE> <P><BR>There was another thread on this a while back. The answer is no. Your horse is your horse. It is not restricted by city allignment, race, class, or level. Once you own it, it's yours to do as you wish. I've seen Qeynosians riding around on Flamesteeds because they did nothing but faction writs before they betrayed Freeport. (Obviously, they got the cash from a high level Main, or they're a tradeskiller who actually earned it.)</P> <P>Same goes for houses in a guild. You gotta reach guild level 30 if you wanna buy a 5-room house, but once you do buy it and own it, there's no penalty if you leave the guild.</P>

[EvilAstroboy]

<p>Message Edited by EvilAstroboy on <span class=date_text>05-17-2006</span> <span class=time_text>12:01 PM</span>