New betrayal quest: What about Master 2 spell choices?

[Cusashorn]

<DIV>I find nothing objectable over having all your spells reduced back to Apprentice 1 (which will be interesting to see what the strength levels of all spells after level 50 are since you can't buy anything lower than App 2), but what about Master 2 spells? We were given those among a list of choices just as we progressed naturally through our levels, and it wouldn't be fair to force players to /respec in order to get them back, or the equivalent of that level for whatever class you're about to become.</DIV>

[Captain Apple Darkberry]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Cusashorn wrote:<BR> <DIV>stuff + ...and it wouldn't be fair to force players to /respec in order to get them back, or the equivalent of that level for whatever class you're about to become.</DIV><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE> <P><FONT color=#ff6600>Who said it should be fair...   ...your betraying...   ...is betraying someone fair?  =)</FONT></P> <P><FONT color=#ff6600>I'm hoping that exile and the betrayal of your city is painfully tough...</FONT></P> <P><BR></P>

[Etherium]

<DIV>If the player is changing classes, reverting to App I makes sense.  Keeping the same class it seems as if the penalty should be different, even less.  Changing classes means more than just proving your loyalty.  </DIV>

[Melchiah]

I assume it'll be like current betrayal quests, where you choose your Master II spells again (and all your racial and whatnot abilities). I've betrayed 2 characters so far and have been able to do that.

[Gn]

<P>What happens to characters in the middle of the existing Betrayal series ?  Does the quest still exist (and can be finished if it's already started), will it be removed, or will they be bugged ?</P> <P> </P>

[Pins]

<DIV>They can probably just reset the M2 selections when you finish betryal.</DIV>

[Rijacki]

It makes -far- more sense to get a /respec of the free choices (race, level, and master II "training") than to keep the "equivalent".  In some cases the equal level CA/spell of the other class does something drastically different and might not be the best choice for playstyle.  Besides, those are -free-, no cost whatsoever.All spells and abilities going to App I is a rather apt "cost" to becoming an exile.  It makes the choice to do so non-trivial.  And, again, what you've upgraded might have a vastly different "equivalent" if you're switching classes.AND, this has been posted for months now.  It's not new information they're trying to "sneak" in.<div></div>

[Zoobecca]

I don't see anything yet but does your class change when you betray now? There was some talk about that earlier. If so what's the equivalent to a necro and a berserker? I think the berserker would become a monk but I am not sure about the necro. Zoo <div></div>

[Koehianna]

<div><blockquote><hr>Zoobecca wrote:I don't see anything yet but does your class change when you betray now? There was some talk about that earlier. If so what's the equivalent to a necro and a berserker? I think the berserker would become a monk but I am not sure about the necro. Zoo <div></div><hr></blockquote>Berserker is a neutral class.  You can choose to become a Guardian or stay a Berserker.However, if you are betraying as a Necromancer then you'd become a Conjuror.</div>

[Storm_Runner]

What I'm wondering is if this new betrayal quest will incorporate the sub-class betrayal that was mentioned by Blackguard (I think it was him) a while back.  He mentioned that neutral classes that can exist in both cities would be able to betray to their alter-ego.  Guardians to Berserkers, Necros to Conj, etc., but they would be able to stay in the same city if they chose to.  I'm really looking forward to that.

[Lera]

Anyone know if the betrayal quest will be able to be done multiple times, or still only once?<div></div>

[Koehianna]

<div><blockquote><hr>Lera wrote:Anyone know if the betrayal quest will be able to be done multiple times, or still only once?<div></div><hr></blockquote>It was mentioned that if you had already betrayed before the LU via the current betrayal system, then when the LU goes live, you can betray back to your original city.But I don't know if after that you can betray as many times as you want.</div>

[Lord Montague]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Koehianna wrote:<BR> <DIV><BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Lera wrote:<BR>Anyone know if the betrayal quest will be able to be done multiple times, or still only once?<BR> <BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE><BR>It was mentioned that if you had already betrayed before the LU via the current betrayal system, then when the LU goes live, you can betray back to your original city.<BR><BR>But I don't know if after that you can betray as many times as you want.<BR></DIV><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE><BR>They've stated you can do it as many times as you want, but you incur the same penalties each time you do it and it is a lengthy process to go through.  Not something to be taken lightly.

[Lera]

<div></div><blockquote><hr>Lord Montague wrote:<div></div>They've stated you can do it as many times as you want, but you incur the same penalties each time you do it and it is a lengthy process to go through.  Not something to be taken lightly.<hr></blockquote>Hmmm... maybe I will be able to buy those items I want in Freeport. <span>:smileyvery-happy: I don't like it from an RP perspective, since my character wouldn't want to betray Qeynos, but then, every merchant in Freeport recognising me as a Qeynosian and no-trade items make no sense, either. *must ponder this* </span><div></div><p>Message Edited by Lera on <span class=date_text>05-12-2006</span> <span class=time_text>12:47 PM</span>

[Cusashorn]

<DIV>According to what I've heard from the test servers, these new betrayal quests will remove the part where you meet Lucan or Antonia personally before being kicked out.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>That means there will be no quests in the game anymore where you can see them personally.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Anyway, everyone has thier spells reduced to App1 regardless of who they are. If you're a level 70 berzerker with tons of Master 1 spells in your Knowledge Book, then guess what? Now you're a level 70 Berzerker with nothing but Apprentice 1 spells in your Knowledge Book.</DIV>

[Rijacki]

<div><blockquote><hr>Cusashorn wrote:<div>Anyway, everyone has thier spells reduced to App1 regardless of who they are. If you're a level 70 berzerker with tons of Master 1 spells in your Knowledge Book, then guess what? Now you're a level 70 Berzerker with nothing but Apprentice 1 spells in your Knowledge Book.</div><hr></blockquote>Or a level 70 Guardian with nothing but Apprentice 1 spells.. whether you changed cities or not.</div>

[Cusashorn]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Rijacki wrote:<BR> <DIV><BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Cusashorn wrote:<BR><BR> <DIV>Anyway, everyone has thier spells reduced to App1 regardless of who they are. If you're a level 70 berzerker with tons of Master 1 spells in your Knowledge Book, then guess what? Now you're a level 70 Berzerker with nothing but Apprentice 1 spells in your Knowledge Book.</DIV><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE>Or a level 70 Guardian with nothing but Apprentice 1 spells.. whether you changed cities or not.<BR></DIV><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE><BR>I should have clarified that better, but I was trying to point out that you get penalized just the same as everyone else even if you decide to stay the same class as before.