/hidepet ALREADY!!

[Akacia]

<DIV>Is this not just a glaring problem in this game that you cannot turn off the graphics on pets? SoE has gone crazy with everyone being able to carry around pets, spawn them with abilities. I mean being a brigand is there really a reason why I should be able to summon some pets to fight for me?</DIV> <DIV><BR>Well to stay on the point when the hell are you going to bring this into the game, it is very frustrating being a rogue class when you need to try and be behind a specific mob and meanwhile be in the middle of 20+ pets at times with several necros on a raid and other pet classes and actually see what is going on around you, on top of the fact that it SLOWS down your system. I run a very high video card and system and it does slow it down but I couldn't imagine playing on anything less as I am sure it would come to a screeching hault if I did.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>This as hard to implement as it is to have clouds/griffins or carpets that you don't get stuck on and have to relog to fix?</DIV><p>Message Edited by Akacia on <span class=date_text>05-05-2006</span> <span class=time_text>10:40 AM</span>

[thorvang]

just turn down your graphics.

[Akacia]

<DIV>errr solving a problem that many complain about of mass pets doesn't mean you should turn down your graphics since that does nothing but make the amount of pets looking worse.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Have you not ever been on a raid with several necros and other swarm pet casters and such?! best way to time AE's is this specially when you get 25 or so of everyone's pet has died but at least you can see again until theyg et them back up <img src="/smilies/8a80c6485cd926be453217d59a84a888.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /></DIV>

[trysta]

<div><blockquote><hr>thorvang wrote:just turn down your graphics.<hr></blockquote>This doesn't work. In situations where there a lot of people in one spot, I usually turn my spell effects down to zero, which normally allows me to see only spells cast by me. However, this doesn't affect pets. One of the biggest lag-causers is the high-end Conjuror spell that summons a few gigantic, water-textured octopi. Even with water effects as minimal as possible and spell effects set at zero, these lag monsters still appear on my screen.</div>

[Akacia]

<DIV>Exactly my point.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Turning graphics down does absolutely nothing inr egards to the enormous amount of pets in this game that it is completely not needed on anyone's screen unless they want them there and even much worse for rogue based chars who have to get in close to a mob and be behind to get abilities off, I can't count the times I simply strafed around mobs mashing a debuff from behind hoping I was behind the mob because I couldn't see anythng due to the number of pets</DIV>

[Irr]

I could honestly live with tons of pets on the screen if they'd give us a way to turn off the pet names above their heads.I can toggle everything in this game on/off but not the pet names?  Why!!!?!?!?!?<div></div>

[Vicio]

Silly people, turing off pets is like turning off Beserkers, or perhaps Templars. <div></div>

[Xelrek]

I think there should be some way do disable the DoT pets from showing up (and the non-combat gimick pets like the mushroom from  Splitpaw) as they can get annoying. Should still be able to see proper Summoner pets though.Other thing I'd like to see the end of is the pet name being copied to all the DoT pets as it gets really annoying to see [pet name] has died x 10 in my chat windows. If I'm playing on my necro I immediately check my proper pet to see if it's actually died since it has same name.<div></div>

[Aienaa]

<P>I can totally understand where your comming from concerning the pets...   Being an Assassin, I have several positional attacks and with a large number of pets, it makes it nearly impossible to actually see the mob you are trying to fight, and to add insult to injury, most of these mobs have extreamly small hit boxes so your jamming every melee class along with 20+ pets pretty much right on top of the mob....  It doesn't matter if you are in first person or have the camera back behind you, you still can't see anything....  All you can do is keep moving around till you no longer get the "you must be behind" message and hope that it works for both your flanking and behind attacks...</P> <P>I would also love to be able to make it so I don't see the pets...  We currently have 2 conjurers that raid regularly, and trying to fight 6 gigantic octopus for position behind mobs is no fun at all...</P> <P>Another problem with these pets that is not mentioned here is that they actually take up space...   You can walk through people and mobs, but the pets act like solid objects and force you to move around them....</P> <P> </P> <P>Gwern - 70 Assassin</P>

[durnsey]

<P>Its a good point, I agree with you, and hope that we could at least have an option to minimise their graphics so you just see a stickman or some such.</P> <P>Why, then, did you decide to ensure that the Devs don't respond or react to your post by writing it in such a negative and combative tone. Have you not noticed that neutral or positively written posts get approximately 10 times the attention that this kind does.</P> <P>Despite this, I do hope that this issue will be addressed in the near future, and good on you for posting about it.</P> <P>Durnsey, 54 Troubador Handbag, Splitpaw</P> <P>p.s. Please don't let this post derail the thread, lets get this idea turned into an action</P> <P> </P><p>Message Edited by durnsey on <span class=date_text>05-08-2006</span> <span class=time_text>11:16 AM</span>

[Jal]

Ok then lets have a /hideallspelleffects command instead so ALL spells/combat arts dont show including pets, heals, HO's etc.Thats a universal fix then.Thast way when in combat all youll ever see is autoattack and you wont get any graphical slowdown at all.

[Ildarus]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Akacia wrote:<BR> <DIV>Is this not just a glaring problem in this game that you cannot turn off the graphics on pets? SoE has gone crazy with everyone being able to carry around pets, spawn them with abilities. I mean being a brigand is there really a reason why I should be able to summon some pets to fight for me?</DIV> <DIV><BR>Well to stay on the point when the hell are you going to bring this into the game, it is very frustrating being a rogue class when you need to try and be behind a specific mob and meanwhile be in the middle of 20+ pets at times with several necros on a raid and other pet classes and actually see what is going on around you, on top of the fact that it SLOWS down your system. I run a very high video card and system and it does slow it down but I couldn't imagine playing on anything less as I am sure it would come to a screeching hault if I did.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>This as hard to implement as it is to have clouds/griffins or carpets that you don't get stuck on and have to relog to fix?</DIV> <P>Message Edited by Akacia on <SPAN class=date_text>05-05-2006</SPAN> <SPAN class=time_text>10:40 AM</SPAN><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE><BR>They are summoned pets. They are summoned from other realms to assist the group and raid by a class of Summoners. Do you see a theme there? They are summoned. It would kind of take away from the game if you could just hide a SUMMONED pet. Now the names on the DoT pets gotta go. There is no reason that they should have to have names. I was in a raid the other night and we had a Necro that had his pet named the same for a Parser and the tank was having problems distinguishing who the Necro was because he had grabbed aggro and the Tank could find him amongst all the pets named the same. As far as fluff pets, there is nothing wrong with asking people to turn off the fluff pets in a Raid enviroment just like you ask people to TURN DOWN THERE GRAPHICS and turn all mounts off. Oh yes, people should be turning down their graphics in a raid enviroment. If everyone has there graphics set on Extreme Performance it helps everyone in the raid.

[selch]

<P>I dont have problems with pets, but please o' please, let us choose to hide pet names only not just NPC names.</P> <P> </P>

[Akacia]

<DIV>Well Ildarus I have to disagree and yeah sure they are summoend from another realm and all that stuff but realistically this is a game and to make it playable in all aspects it is near impossible for a rogue class to do so on a 24 person raid properly with several classes who summon dumbifre pets and what not. Besides I can hide my illusions and such as well so this is a game first and foremost and if you were in the shoes of someone trying to play the game with the mobs given it is extremely frustrating with the exacly behind mobs to attack and such.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>I am not referring to people just carrying around useless pets because obviously on a raid if they had any sense they wouldn't need to be told to kill it, the problem is the amounts of pets summoned either via abilitiy or spell and what not that absolutely plagues the screen.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Sure its all good if you are sitting back and casting your nukes in at max range no problem. </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV> </DIV>

[Leawyn]

I agree that either pet names have to go, or allow a toggle to see or not see the pets. Personally I like seeing them, but the names just blot everything else out. So being able to toggle seeing pet names/pets would make it easier, both on those with systems who lag with the extra pets and those who just don't like seeing all sorts of wildlife around them as they try to get behind a mob.<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Ildarus wrote:<BR> <BR>Oh yes, people should be turning down their graphics in a raid enviroment. If everyone has there graphics set on Extreme Performance it helps everyone in the raid.<BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE> <P><BR>Why should I have to turn my graphics to Extreme Performance to help you? There is no correlation between my graphics and your lag. I do not lag when I set my computer to Balanced on raids and only turn down particle effects. I play in High Quality (with some things turned up) most of the time. If I do begin to lag on Balanced, I turn it down one more notch (with some minor adjustments) and generally never have to go lower.</P> <P>I am sorry but I didn't build my system the way it is so I can see everyone in pajamas standing still, and 3 trillion pets on my screen.</P>

[Aienaa]

<P><FONT color=#ffff00>They are summoned pets. They are summoned from other realms to assist the group and raid by a class of Summoners. Do you see a theme there? They are summoned. It would kind of take away from the game if you could just hide a SUMMONED pet.</FONT></P> <P> </P> <P>Hmmm...  A Warden is a summoner class now?  Guess a Brigand is a summoner class also....  Wardens have thier dog pack, and  Brigands have thier band of thugs....  The problem is there are alot of classes that can summon dumbfire pets, and these pets are rather overwhelming, obnoxious and get in the way of people, yes actual people, that are trying to play thier class...</P> <P>At any given raid, we normally have 2 conjurers, 1 necro, 1 Warden, 1 brigand.... Conjurers each have 4 pets (1 normal and 3 dumbfire, Necros also have 4 pets (same as conjurer), Wardens have 3 dumbfire, and brigands have 3 dumbfire...   With just thoes, that's a total of 18 pets, all of which are right up there in melee range...  Add that to the 12 other players who are melee classes and that makes 30 people/pets all fighting for melee space around the mobs....  This doesn't even include all the other types of pets...  IE wizard familiars, ect...</P> <P>Some of thoes people have positional requirements to thier attacks, and well, trying to find the backside of the mob while trying to navigate your way through 29 other people/pets is one hell of an accomplishment...</P> <P>No one is asking to make them disapear completely, but just to have the ability to toggle off the graphics....  If you like or want them on, fine you can have them on...  But many of us melee classes would like to be able to toggle them off....</P> <P>No, I don't have lag issues and I run my graphics at full tilt, with only particles turned off....  But the extreame number of pets makes it hard to see in melee range, thus effecting my ability to do what I am there to do....</P> <P> </P> <P>Gwern - 70 Assassin</P>

[electricninjasex]

I would rather my wizard AA familiar be made into a buff rather than a pet.  Maintaining the pet and parking it in safe places isn't a matter of skill; it's just plain annoying. <div></div>

[Lunani]

another annoying thing about those pets is they're showing up on track as NPC. in a dungeon usually 1/3 to 1/2 of my track window is full of pets. either completely remove them from being tracked or remove their NPC flag and treat them like player characters

[Ildarus]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Leawyn wrote:<BR> <HR> Ildarus wrote:<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <BR>Oh yes, people should be turning down their graphics in a raid enviroment. If everyone has there graphics set on Extreme Performance it helps everyone in the raid.<BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE> <P><BR>Why should I have to turn my graphics to Extreme Performance to help you? There is no correlation between my graphics and your lag. I do not lag when I set my computer to Balanced on raids and only turn down particle effects. I play in High Quality (with some things turned up) most of the time. If I do begin to lag on Balanced, I turn it down one more notch (with some minor adjustments) and generally never have to go lower.</P> <P>I am sorry but I didn't build my system the way it is so I can see everyone in pajamas standing still, and 3 trillion pets on my screen.</P><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE> <P>*cough* Selfish *cough*</P> <P>Sorry, but every raid I have been on everyone is asked to turn down there graphics to extreme performance. I have also been told by several people that raid pretty much every day of the week that this is the case for them too, so I am only repeating to you what I have been told. I run on High Quality too, but for the good of the group and the friends I play with I will lower my graphics settings for them during a raid. </P> <P>I supposed if we can /hide pets the next thing will be /hide finger wigglers because no one really needs to see them on the screen and that would mean less clutter. LOL-Even better, /hide raid members then there will be no clutter at all. Where do you stop? </P> <P>I am a rogue and I deal with it. I still think the ability to hide the pet names would be a huge help. Maybe the devs need to look at changing some of these summoned pets to something different to remove the screen clutter, but to hide the actual summoned pet themselves, I think is laughable. But each to their own, this is a forumn and it is a place for opinions and ideas. So rock on!! I kind of like /hide Raid :smileyvery-happy:<BR></P>

[[email protected]]

<DIV> <P>I understand your request in raid context, but I don't sympathize at all. On PVP, pets with logical names like Slayer or Destroyer are very useful in confusing attacking enemies, hiding pets or their names would nullify the main value of the pet, which is to act to prevent damage to the master. I suggest using macro's with /assist <insert name here> and set that up for all your group/raid as you join.</P> <P>Cull-Mend-Torq/Nagafan</P></DIV>

[KBern]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Ildarus wrote:<BR> <BR> <BLOCKQUOTE>*cough* Selfish *cough*</BLOCKQUOTE> <P>Sorry, but every raid I have been on everyone is asked to turn down there graphics to extreme performance. I have also been told by several people that raid pretty much every day of the week that this is the case for them too, so I am only repeating to you what I have been told. I run on High Quality too, but for the good of the group and the friends I play with I will lower my graphics settings for them during a raid.</P> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE> <P><BR>Sorry, but I have never heard that and there is no reason why client side settings would affect others lag.</P> <P>It makes no technical sense.</P> <P>I would love to hear from a techy if this is true, but I highly doubt....though I have been wrong before.</P>

[Vulking]

<P>Just wanted to comment on the desire to remove graphics from the game.  </P> <P>If I wanted to play a game without graphics, I would go back to the old school pencil and paper D&D.  Agree that lag from pets can be annoying, but I wouldn't play the game any other way than with the graphics as is.  IMO, the graphics are the best part of this game.</P> <P> </P>

[HaCkHaCkER]

individual graphical settings have no effect on others in a raid force. you can play on extreme quality while the guy next to you plays on extreme performance, he wont effct you, and you wont effect him.now when raiding asking members to dismount and drop all pets that are non combative and non buffing pets is a good thing. having 24 carpets or flaming horses all on screen at once is a pain in da [Removed for Content] and will create lag for other players.in a raid situation you play with your graphics at your own confortable settings. if it runs smoth on a full 24 man raid at high qual then by all means leave it there. it is just a personal choice.now, for removing dumbfire pets, i think not. it is what distinguishes classes. it is also a way for the conj/necro to be able to easier tell when the timer is up on the spell and to recast.i have never heard any complaints from our positional attack raiders that there is a problem with dumbfires getting in the way. we raid every friday on test and there is usually 2-3 conj, 2-3 necro, and many more classes with dumbfires. with all summoner classes having there dumbfires out all at once we have never had a complaint.

[Aienaa]

<P><FONT color=#ffff00>Just wanted to comment on the desire to remove graphics from the game.  </FONT></P> <P><FONT color=#ffff00>If I wanted to play a game without graphics, I would go back to the old school pencil and paper D&D.  Agree that lag from pets can be annoying, but I wouldn't play the game any other way than with the graphics as is.  IMO, the graphics are the best part of this game.</FONT></P> <P> </P> <P>I don't think you understand what people are asking for... they are NOT asking to have them removed from the game....  what they are asking for will NOT effect you in the least bit...</P> <P>What they are asking for is to be able to toggle off the graphics, which ONLY effects what they see, NOT what you see...</P> <P>If you want to see the pets, great you can see the pets...  If others do not wish to see them, then they should be given the opertunity to toggle them off....</P> <P> </P> <P>Gwern - 70 Assassin</P>

[Aienaa]

<P><FONT color=#ffff00>i have never heard any complaints from our positional attack raiders that there is a problem with dumbfires getting in the way. <BR></FONT></P> <P> </P> <P>Just because you have never heard them complain, does not mean that they enjoy trying to fight thier way through all the pets along with the other raiders....  I personally hate having to do it...  Have I ever said anything in guild or the raid channel??  No...  reason is simple...  people are not going to stop casting them, that would be idiotic as you would lose tons of DPS....  If they are not going to stop casting them, then what is the point of complaining about it to the guild/raid force?  </P> <P>Like I said, just because you do not hear people say anything, doesn't mean they like it...  If we are given the opertunity to toggle them off, I can stop thinking stuff like.... @#$$!@ Pet, can't see a dmn thing...  get that @#$%@ pet out of the way...</P> <P>If this wasn't a problem, people would not be asking for it...  But since it is, you have this thread and people asking for the option to toggle them off....</P> <P> </P> <P>Gwern - 70 Assassin</P>

[Ildarus]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Aienaa wrote:<BR> <P><FONT color=#ffff00>i have never heard any complaints from our positional attack raiders that there is a problem with dumbfires getting in the way. <BR></FONT></P> <P> </P> <P>Just because you have never heard them complain, does not mean that they enjoy trying to fight thier way through all the pets along with the other raiders....  I personally hate having to do it...  Have I ever said anything in guild or the raid channel??  No...  reason is simple...  people are not going to stop casting them, that would be idiotic as you would lose tons of DPS....  If they are not going to stop casting them, then what is the point of complaining about it to the guild/raid force?  </P> <P>Like I said, just because you do not hear people say anything, doesn't mean they like it...  If we are given the opertunity to toggle them off, I can stop thinking stuff like.... @#$$!@ Pet, can't see a dmn thing...  get that @#$%@ pet out of the way...</P> <P>If this wasn't a problem, people would not be asking for it...  But since it is, you have this thread and people asking for the option to toggle them off....</P> <P> </P> <P>Gwern - 70 Assassin</P><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE><BR>Hey, I am a positional attacker and I am not complaining :smileysurprised: So just becuase you think there is an issue doesn't mean others really care about the pets. Others understand that they are SUMMONED minions to do damage and as postional attackers we have to deal with it.

[Baynne]

while i agree completely that there should be an optional way to deal with the extra pets, i wonder if it would really make a difference.  for example, in EQ1 you could still get stuck on invisible players. happened to me all the time because players were solid objects.  while in EQ2 this is not the case, as mentioned before the pets are solid.  toggling the graphics off would essentially make them invisible would it not? thus you would only be fighting solid air to reach the target still?  perhaps the devs might need to work on an object toggle as well as or instead of a graphic toggle.

[Xartan]

<DIV>Try turning NPC names to "mousover or target only" and uncheck the "always show names for groupmates"</DIV> <DIV>this should resolve the massive spam of petnames clogging up your screens. In fact, a ton of lag is casued by names and such, try turning off most of them to your comfort level and you should notice a considerable difference.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV><p>Message Edited by Xartan on <span class=date_text>05-10-2006</span> <span class=time_text>08:01 AM</span>

[Vulking]

<DIV>While on the subject of hiding your pet.  It would be nice if when you go invis, your pet does as well.  This is more of a PvP issue than PvE. </DIV>

[Cusashorn]

<DIV>If not given the chance to hide the pets, then at least give us the option to remove thier names without removing the names of any NPC's in the area.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV><A href="http://eqiiforums.station.sony.com/eq2/board/message?board.id=ui&message.id=13377" target=_blank>http://eqiiforums.station.sony.com/eq2/board/message?board.id=ui&message.id=13377</A></DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>That thread there is what I mean. I need to see the names of all NPCs in the area at all times. Its not so simple to just change it so I only see thier names if I target them or mouse over them. I need to see all NPC names at all times, but not the pets.</DIV>

[Akacia]

<P>Personally I am amused by the people who post things like they are summoned pets from the other worlds and such so we need to deal with them. </P> <P> </P> <P>No kidding and this ia also a game not real life wake up and go outside once in awhile, it is a problem period in the game with the outrageous amount of pets. We had 3 Necros and 2 conjurers on our last raid, you have any idea how ineffective your rogue DPS can be trying to just see the mob you are on let alone making sure you are behind it or not?</P> <P> </P> <P>Get a clue its a toggle only for the people who want to use it same as the one you have for turning off your illusions or not. If you don't care then don't turn it off, there is nothing negative about this at all even if the solid factor comes into play I would rather push my way through invisible solid beings then not being able to see at all</P>

[Leawyn]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Ildarus wrote:<BR> <BR> <P>*cough* Selfish *cough*</P> <P>Sorry, but every raid I have been on everyone is asked to turn down there graphics to extreme performance. I have also been told by several people that raid pretty much every day of the week that this is the case for them too, so I am only repeating to you what I have been told. I run on High Quality too, but for the good of the group and the friends I play with I will lower my graphics settings for them during a raid. <BR></P><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE><BR>Whatever you want to think. You're entitled to your opinion. I'm entitled to play this game as pretty as I want.