Please don't change t7 rares on live servers

[Lites]

<DIV>One person has already bought up the entire broker supplies of Acrylia Clusters on our server. While I agree that it may be a good idea to make changes in spell rares, it would make much better sense to introduce a completely new rare for scout skills rather than changing the use of acrylia.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Please devs, don't mess up server economies by allowing test server users who have had prior knowledge of this change to make obscene plat gains out of this situation. A similar thing happened in EQ1 and it ruined the server economy.</DIV>

[enrique_to]

<P>That are the economy rules...</P> <P>I find new system far more fair that older system.</P> <P>Old system make Moonstone too valuable. 18 classes (all scouts, Mages and Priest) needed them to make their adept III. And you'll need them also for Casters jewery and resistance jewery. </P> <P>Now Spongy can be employed only for scouts and Figter classes Adept III and have no use in jewery.</P> <P>Moonstones can be employed on Priest classes Adept III an Casters Jewery</P> <P>Acrylia can be employed on Mages classes Adept III an Melee Jewery.</P> <P>New system is far more fair. </P> <P>Moonstones price wi'll go down, and Acrylias cluster will rise it's price. Thats rigth. When you gathered a rare stone, It's make no sense you gather an acrylia cluster and get 30g with luck and you gather a moonstone and get 3.5 pp with ease.</P> <P>Now all is more balanced.</P> <P>Some people get the chance and make some money expeculating with acrylia clusters? Yeah, that's right. If developers give up the change may be they spend a lot of money for nothing. If dev go on with change, they make some money. It's not a economy crush. Just a oportunist gambit.</P> <P> </P>

[Vicio]

I have to agree. Moonstone simply costs too much. This change is roughly a few months late. <div></div>

[Emerix]

<DIV>Spongy loams and moostones are both for 3pp atm here on AB . The next LU will make spongy loams too expensive ebcause suddenly half the players will need them .</DIV>

[sAs-Bartleby]

<blockquote><hr>enrique_tome schrieb:<div></div> <p>That are the economy rules...</p> <p>I find new system far more fair that older system.</p> <p>Old system make Moonstone too valuable. 18 classes (all scouts, Mages and Priest) needed them to make their adept III. And you'll need them also for Casters jewery and resistance jewery. </p> <p>Now Spongy can be employed only for scouts and Figter classes Adept III and have no use in jewery.</p> <p>Moonstones can be employed on Priest classes Adept III an Casters Jewery</p> <p>Acrylia can be employed on Mages classes Adept III an Melee Jewery.</p> <p>New system is far more fair. </p> <p>Moonstones price wi'll go down, and Acrylias cluster will rise it's price. Thats rigth. When you gathered a rare stone, It's make no sense you gather an acrylia cluster and get 30g with luck and you gather a moonstone and get 3.5 pp with ease.</p> <p>Now all is more balanced.</p> <p>Some people get the chance and make some money expeculating with acrylia clusters? Yeah, that's right. If developers give up the change may be they spend a lot of money for nothing. If dev go on with change, they make some money. It's not a economy crush. Just a oportunist gambit.</p> <hr></blockquote>I think you didn´t understand the point from OP. before this testupdate was made, acrylia cost from 15gold till 1 platinum on my server. There were abaout 60 acrylia for sale. The first person who reads the testserver update notes get these acrylia which was worthless without these changes and bought everything he could get from broker. After these changes go live with LU23 he can sell them for 2 plat or more back to the users. And this is an unfair situation. SOE should have stoped all offline brokers and should have noticed all users so they can decide to sell acrylia or not. This would have been a fair thing, but i think SoE even didn´t think about it. The stuff you post is all right and this will be a better situation for all, but this is not the point.<div></div>

[Thunder Ro]

<P>I understand what you are saying but from the moment they announced there was going to be a change some one was going to exploit it and some one was going to suffer.</P> <P>Any other chagne that they make now will equally disrupt the economy, people have speculated (like the futures market, if you will) on those acrylia, if they change the rare I am sure you will find a lot of angry people on the forums complaining about their wasted "investment."</P> <P>I wish I had paid slightly more attention to the upcoming changes myself, but then that it is up to me to regularly check the forums, and if I want advance warning of such changes I can always have a character on the test server.</P> <P>I was lucky in that I had my acrylia at the top end of the pricing, BUT if I had seen the test update notes earlier I would have invested a large chunk of money in buying more of them, o well as they say "you can't win em all."</P> <P> </P> <P> </P>

[enrique_to]

<P>Good point.</P> <P>I agree.  They should stop broker service whenever they change the use of a item. But SOE did a lot of things whiout allowing players act in response. I mean</P> <P>On the revamp. Many classes changed drastically. Many Warlocks would change their profession to Wizzards if they find themselves as just the king of AE encounters and not the Kings of DPS. Many people like me start a warlock just cause they were the king of DOT. If they changed your class... Shouldn't us have a chance to choose another class?!?</P> <P>If you do not play. It's hard to foresee the markets behaivor. </P> <P>Or SOE did not knew acrylia value on current market before they post the change. or SOE did not realize people will buy like crazy, creating unbalance Or SOE didn't wants to stop markets just for that.</P> <P>Soe anouncements have great impact on Norrath. With a simple change SOE can cause a too cheap rare cluster (Acrylia cluster) gets 4 or 5 times it price in a few hours. It's the markets laws. It's not fair if you do not realize in time, but is a part of the dinamic of EQ2</P>

[Amataelia]

<div><blockquote><hr>Lites wrote:<div>One person has already bought up the entire broker supplies of Acrylia Clusters on our server. While I agree that it may be a good idea to make changes in spell rares, it would make much better sense to introduce a completely new rare for scout skills rather than changing the use of acrylia.</div> <div> </div> <div>Please devs, don't mess up server economies by allowing test server users who have had prior knowledge of this change to make obscene plat gains out of this situation. A similar thing happened in EQ1 and it ruined the server economy.</div><hr></blockquote>It is the same in real life, people who buy stock get a tip and invest more, sometimes it pays off and sometimes it does not.  The more informed people will come ahead in this but I believe it is not going to ruin the economy like you think it may.  I did read the test server notes and I took a <i>GAMBLE </i>and bought two acrylia for under 30g but I am going to use these to have adepts made for myself IF these changes go  live thus putting more money into the economy by paying a crafter to make these.   I have 8 moonstones I was saving for adepts but now I need acrylia.  No one can say they wouldn't have bought them if they had seen them first and known about the changes....I would have bought more if they were there.  I do agree SOE shouldn't have announced these changes this way and I also feel it should have been a change from the very beginning.  I jumped on a prospective investment to upgrade my character and if others bought these clusters to make a profit then more power to them IMO.  I have bought other rares that people have accidently or unknowingly under priced, should I feel bad because I was more "informed"? <span>Amataelia62 Wizzy70 Tailorand too many alts to listGods of ChaosBlackburrow</span></div>

[Kizee]

<P>I was going to buy up alot of the cheap acrylia a month ago when I saw a red name comment that they will be looking into balancing out the spell rares, however, knowing SOE's track record on saying somehting then not following thru I didn't want to get stuck with alot of crap rares.</P> <P>I did save all the acrylia clusters I got from harvesting, quests and drops and have oever 20 of them so I am not to bad off I guess. :p</P>

[Felshades]

this is why all my spells are adept 3 or master already.  and most of them i didnt pay a dime for. wtt spongy loam for moonstone, pst. works wonders <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /> <div></div>

[Serendia]

<blockquote><hr>enrique_tome wrote:<P>Good point.</P><P>I agree.  They should stop broker service whenever they change the use of a item. But SOE did a lot of things whiout allowing players act in response. I mean</P><P>On the revamp. Many classes changed drastically. Many Warlocks would change their profession to Wizzards if they find themselves as just the king of AE encounters and not the Kings of DPS. Many people like me start a warlock just cause they were the king of DOT. If they changed your class... Shouldn't us have a chance to choose another class?!?</P><P>If you do not play. It's hard to foresee the markets behaivor. </P><P>Or SOE did not knew acrylia value on current market before they post the change. or SOE did not realize people will buy like crazy, creating unbalance Or SOE didn't wants to stop markets just for that.</P><P>Soe anouncements have great impact on Norrath. With a simple change SOE can cause a too cheap rare cluster (Acrylia cluster) gets 4 or 5 times it price in a few hours. It's the markets laws. It's not fair if you do not realize in time, but is a part of the dinamic of EQ2</P><hr></blockquote>This is silly... Why does the playerbase feel SoE owes them anything of the sorts?? They give notices of changes like this via patch notes (this, btw, is a Test patch note that is going up probably a full MONTH before it goes live). If they gave 2 month notice, someone who made a warlock or whatever you describe 3 months ago would complain that it wasn't long enough, or they want reparations. There is really no other entertainment industry where the consumers demand change based on their wishes. If you go to a movie and dislike it, do you call the producers and ask them to change something before DVD release? No... how do you speak to them? Don't buy the dvd. The only consumer power one can reasonably demand is that of the purse. Its the only one granted, and really the only one that should be expected. It has always worked this way and makes perfect economic sense in any industry that is not required for life (i.e., entertainment).To the OP, How do you know that someoen bought up all the acrylia? My guess is that you were looking to do the exact same thing and just weren't quick enough. Freezing the market on a particular item doesn't make much sense, I can't recall any time it has ever happened, especially if there is a use for that item now. In either case, it is a simple rule of supply and demand. Do you know why oil prices are going up in the US (and, I believe, world wide)? Some of it is supply, some of it is demand, MOST of it is speculation. Is that fair to the normal consumer? Not really. Is it the way it works anyway? Absolutely. This game has always been set up with the idea of a free market system, consumers dictate prices. If you don't want to spend 2pp, 3pp, 4pp, etc on an item, don't buy it. If others feel this price is unfair, they won't buy it and the prices will go down. This power is further enhanced due to the fact that the item is obtainable by you, personally. You can go and harvest for acrylia just like those he purchased from did, you can go and make money, or you can go and use the acrylia. No one is forcing your hand either way, and that is really the way it should work.

[digitalblasphemy]

The acrylia market has already sky rocketed.  I know many people who on the day the patch notes were posted purchased over 100 individual acylia clusters.  Smooth move SOE.  Now when something is actually useful, it's going to cost several hundred % more to the people who need it.  Why didn't you just implement a new rare that could be harvested out of nodes instead of screwing the economy like this.  100 acrylia clusters at 15g a piece now being sold at 2-3pp a piece.  Wow that's grand.<div></div>

[Bu££a2k]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Serendia wrote:<BR><BR>[Cut]<BR><BR>To the OP, <FONT color=#ffff00>How do you know that someoen bought up all the acrylia?</FONT> My guess is that you were looking to do the exact same thing and just weren't quick enough. Freezing the market on a particular item doesn't make much sense, I can't recall any time it has ever happened, especially if there is a use for that item now. In either case, it is a simple rule of supply and demand. Do you know why oil prices are going up in the US (and, I believe, world wide)? Some of it is supply, some of it is demand, MOST of it is speculation. Is that fair to the normal consumer? Not really. Is it the way it works anyway? Absolutely. This game has always been set up with the idea of a free market system, consumers dictate prices. If you don't want to spend 2pp, 3pp, 4pp, etc on an item, don't buy it. If others feel this price is unfair, they won't buy it and the prices will go down. This power is further enhanced due to the fact that the item is obtainable by you, personally. You can go and harvest for acrylia just like those he purchased from did, you can go and make money, or you can go and use the acrylia. No one is forcing your hand either way, and that is really the way it should work.<BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE> <P>As someone is now selling 200 acrylia clusters in stacks of 50 :smileyvery-happy:</P> <P>I'm not even the OP :smileywink:<BR></P>

[Serendia]

<blockquote><hr>Bu££a2k wrote:<BR><BLOCKQUOTE><HR>Serendia wrote:<BR><BR>[Cut]<BR><BR>To the OP, <FONT color=#ffff00>How do you know that someoen bought up all the acrylia?</FONT> My guess is that you were looking to do the exact same thing and just weren't quick enough. Freezing the market on a particular item doesn't make much sense, I can't recall any time it has ever happened, especially if there is a use for that item now. In either case, it is a simple rule of supply and demand. Do you know why oil prices are going up in the US (and, I believe, world wide)? Some of it is supply, some of it is demand, MOST of it is speculation. Is that fair to the normal consumer? Not really. Is it the way it works anyway? Absolutely. This game has always been set up with the idea of a free market system, consumers dictate prices. If you don't want to spend 2pp, 3pp, 4pp, etc on an item, don't buy it. If others feel this price is unfair, they won't buy it and the prices will go down. This power is further enhanced due to the fact that the item is obtainable by you, personally. You can go and harvest for acrylia just like those he purchased from did, you can go and make money, or you can go and use the acrylia. No one is forcing your hand either way, and that is really the way it should work.<BR><HR></BLOCKQUOTE><P>As someone is now selling 200 acrylia clusters in stacks of 50 :smileyvery-happy:</P><P>I'm not even the OP :smileywink:<BR></P><hr></blockquote>Easy enough....Either way, I won't gripe or be frustrated... except for the fact that I'm not their friend! <img src="/smilies/8a80c6485cd926be453217d59a84a888.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />

[Jagged Halo]

<DIV>,y jeweler has a very high number of acyloa all a adverage cost of around 60gp last one i nought was about 4 weeks at at that time i was selling the jewelery for aroutn 1pp30 so was a nive profit then the market plumeted and i was selling jewelery at a loss.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>So ,aybe a canle i took at the time has paid off if the changes go live </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>But i do think it was wrong anocing the change on test and so alowing people to cash in on libe smacks of insider dealing lol</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV> </DIV><p>Message Edited by Jagged Halo on <span class=date_text>04-28-2006</span> <span class=time_text>02:14 PM</span>

[EtoilePirate]

As a person who plays entirely on Test...Trust me, it's not any better when you have no warning whatsoever.  I mean, lovely.  Now I've got 3 moonstones, and I already commissioned a jeweler, and whoop-de-doo, she can't make me any more adept IIIs because the rocks I was going to send her are now completely useless to me.  And I already gave away or traded all the loam I saw to *get* those moonstones.  Pretty darn frustrating whether or not you've got the warning.  At least on the Live servers, the economy is obeying the rules of a real economy.  (Or haven't you seen gas prices lately?)<div></div>

[Jagged Halo]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> EtoilePB wrote:<BR>As a person who plays entirely on Test...<BR><BR>Trust me, it's not any better when you have no warning whatsoever.  I mean, lovely.  Now I've got 3 moonstones, and I already commissioned a jeweler, and whoop-de-doo, she can't make me any more adept IIIs because the rocks I was going to send her are now completely useless to me.  And I already gave away or traded all the loam I saw to *get* those moonstones.  Pretty darn frustrating whether or not you've got the warning.  At least on the Live servers, the economy is obeying the rules of a real economy.  (Or haven't you seen gas prices lately?)<BR> <BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE> <P><BR>very good point i have been advising scouts in my guild to get there moonstones to me now for their adpts  even if there a good few lvls away from them yet</P> <P>this will also be one time the fact the EU servers get the liove updates the day after US servers we can warn freinds to get there rares sorted before the we get the update</P> <P> </P> <P>i did have 15 moonstone that i harvested and made jewelery from them wish i had made a lot of the most wanted scout adeots now and sat on them till after the changes go libe</P>

[Zannah]

I bet more money was made cornering the markets on gold and carbonite clusters during the Frostfel quest than will be made on this Acrylia change.  I wonder if they sit and laugh - knowing the angst they generate when they make changes like this.Ahh well - Playing the Market is still playing the game I guess, and now at least, harvesting an Acrylia wont mean stuffing it in your vault and dropping the price until someone buys it out of pity <span>:smileytongue:</span><div></div>

[Tomanak]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> digitalblasphemy wrote:<BR>The acrylia market has already sky rocketed.  I know many people who on the day the patch notes were posted purchased over 100 individual acylia clusters.  Smooth move SOE.  Now when something is actually useful, it's going to cost several hundred % more to the people who need it.  Why didn't you just implement a new rare that could be harvested out of nodes instead of screwing the economy like this.  100 acrylia clusters at 15g a piece now being sold at 2-3pp a piece.  Wow that's grand.<BR> <BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE><BR>but doesnt the 2-3pp price bring it in line with the rest of the T7 rares? I agree that some will make out like bandits on this. I personally have 6 clusters, but they are going to make myself adept IIIs not to the broker. At least this way harvesting an acylia cluster will lead to more that another, [expletive haxx0red by Raijinn]..I wish it had been a moonstone. Every other T7 rare sells for 3plat plus (except for xegonite, but thats another story) so this is just balancing the values equally. Should this have been done from day 1? Absolutely. Yet I would rather they do this than leave things as they are now with a T7 rare being practically worthless.

[Obadiah]

<P>Playing the market is definitely part of the game. I had a blast in the early days buying up someone's entire stock of bags that I felt were underpriced and moving them at twice the price. Made me a lot more money than being a weaponsmith did, that's for sure. :smileyvery-happy:</P> <P>Aren't fighters and scouts getting hosed though? I understand the even distribution of uses for rares. That's great. . . </P> <P>but the NODES are made even more imbalanced. </P> <P>Previously, with either stone or ore you might get a rare worth 3-4P (moonstone, spongy loam) or you might get a rare worth 30G to 1P (acrylia, xegonite). </P> <P>After this change, <STRONG>any</STRONG> rare you get out of a stone node is worth good money, while your odds with ore rares are still 50/50. Why harvest ore?</P> <P>I would guess supply of acrylia & moonstones go up, and prices go down. Meanwhile supply of spongy remains pretty level, and demand and prices go up, up, up. Maybe I'm wrong. I hope so, cause I have yet to see a Berserker Master drop and have only seen one for sale. :smileymad:</P>

[Tro]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> sAs-Bartleby wrote:<BR><BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> enrique_tome schrieb:<BR> <P>That are the economy rules...</P> <P>I find new system far more fair that older system.</P> <P>Old system make Moonstone too valuable. 18 classes (all scouts, Mages and Priest) needed them to make their adept III. And you'll need them also for Casters jewery and resistance jewery. </P> <P>Now Spongy can be employed only for scouts and Figter classes Adept III and have no use in jewery.</P> <P>Moonstones can be employed on Priest classes Adept III an Casters Jewery</P> <P>Acrylia can be employed on Mages classes Adept III an Melee Jewery.</P> <P>New system is far more fair. </P> <P>Moonstones price wi'll go down, and Acrylias cluster will rise it's price. Thats rigth. When you gathered a rare stone, It's make no sense you gather an acrylia cluster and get 30g with luck and you gather a moonstone and get 3.5 pp with ease.</P> <P>Now all is more balanced.</P> <P>Some people get the chance and make some money expeculating with acrylia clusters? Yeah, that's right. If developers give up the change may be they spend a lot of money for nothing. If dev go on with change, they make some money. It's not a economy crush. Just a oportunist gambit.</P> <P> </P><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE>I think you didn´t understand the point from OP.<BR><BR>before this testupdate was made, acrylia cost from 15gold till 1 platinum on my server.<BR>There were abaout 60 acrylia for sale.<BR><BR>The first person who reads the testserver update notes get these acrylia which was worthless without these changes and bought everything he could get from broker.<BR><BR>After these changes go live with LU23 he can sell them for 2 plat or more back to the users.<BR>And this is an unfair situation.<BR><BR><FONT color=#ff0033>SOE should have stoped all offline brokers and should have noticed all users so they can decide to sell acrylia or not.<BR>This would have been a fair thing, but i think SoE even didn´t think about it.<BR></FONT><BR><BR>The stuff you post is all right and this will be a better situation for all, but this is not the point.<BR> <BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE> <P>I disagree.. To me it's kinda like the stock market.. The news comes out about a new company that is expected to do very well the first three years and shortly after, that company offers an IPO.  Stock is cheap so folks buy it up. Then after time, the stock price goes up and up and up.. Folks now sell at the higher price. Some folks want the stock so they buy it. </P> <P>We got the news of the t7 rare changes so yea folks are buying up the acrylia at the lower price. The prices will go up (They already have - Now the prices of acrylia are up to 2-3 plat on some servers).. This is a normal thing to expect from my point of view.. </P> <P>  <BR></P>

[atrofast]

<blockquote><hr>Lites wrote:<DIV>One person has already bought up the entire broker supplies of Acrylia Clusters on our server. While I agree that it may be a good idea to make changes in spell rares, it would make much better sense to introduce a completely new rare for scout skills rather than changing the use of acrylia.</DIV><DIV> </DIV><DIV>Please devs, don't mess up server economies by allowing test server users who have had prior knowledge of this change to make obscene plat gains out of this situation. A similar thing happened in EQ1 and it ruined the server economy.</DIV><hr></blockquote>The information available on the Test server is public information as far as I'm concerned. If you want, you can take the time to look new updates up. Any person who had this information and didn't use it to their advantage, well that's their loss. You don't see people getting jailed for using public information to anticipate changes in stock prices now do you?Aeryk

[Lites]

<DIV>Insider trading on the stock market is illegal, anyone who uses information from the test server to exploit the market if and when the change is implemented deserves some form of punishment in my opinion.</DIV>

[Obadiah]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Lites wrote:<BR> <DIV>Insider trading on the stock market is illegal, anyone who uses information from the test server to exploit the market if and when the change is implemented deserves some form of punishment in my opinion.</DIV><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE> <P><BR>True. . . but the Test update notes are not insider information. That's public news. Anyone who uses reports in the Wall Street Journal to exploit the market is A-OK. :smileyvery-happy:</P> <P>Only problem is that I missed the boat.:smileymad:</P>

[Tro]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Obadiah wrote:<BR> <BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Lites wrote:<BR> <DIV>Insider trading on the stock market is illegal, anyone who uses information from the test server to exploit the market if and when the change is implemented deserves some form of punishment in my opinion.</DIV><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE> <P><BR><FONT color=#ff0033>True. . . but the Test update notes are not insider information. That's public news. Anyone who uses reports in the Wall Street Journal to exploit the market is A-OK. :smileyvery-happy:</FONT></P> <P>Only problem is that I missed the boat.:smileymad:</P><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE> <P>And also the test update notes are not set in stone.. These changes may very well NOT go live.. Again it's like the stock market.. you take your chances based on what <STRONG>public</STRONG> information is available to you at that time. But in most cases you have to act fast <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /></P> <P>Edit: This reply was meant for lites ..and sorry obadiah that u missed the boat.. I got 7 Acrylia before the prices went through the roof. thats right I am taking my chances.. it's a free country after all .... and no I am not seeling them. I need like 19 t7 ADEPT III's.. </P><p>Message Edited by Trook on <span class=date_text>04-28-2006</span> <span class=time_text>08:46 AM</span>

[Belaythien]

<div><blockquote><hr>enrique_tome wrote:<div></div> <p>That are the economy rules...</p> <p>I find new system far more fair that older system.</p> <p>Old system make Moonstone too valuable. 18 classes (all scouts, Mages and Priest) needed them to make their adept III. And you'll need them also for Casters jewery and resistance jewery. </p>[...]<p>New system is far more fair. </p> <p>Moonstones price wi'll go down, and Acrylias cluster will rise it's price. Thats rigth. When you gathered a rare stone, It's make no sense you gather an acrylia cluster and get 30g with luck and you gather a moonstone and get 3.5 pp with ease.</p> <p>Now all is more balanced.</p> <p>[...]</p> Sonia (69 level Fury Gnome)Malvado (70 level Dark elf Warlock / 69 level Tailor)<hr></blockquote>No wonder you like it. You're playing a priest and a mage. That system is nowhere even close to fair.a) A few leeches that had enough money before the announcement will get disturbingly rich, buying all good spells and equipment at  prices hardly anybody else can afford. Aside from that .. now a few people get 2-3p for acrylia while those who harvested it get punished by SOE.b) While priests and mages now have their own rare, tanks and scouts get a big f*** you from SOE. Before that announcement spongy was already 50% more expensive than moonstone. Even though moonstone was used by three types and spongy only by one. Now it's one for moonstone and two for spongy. What was most expensive before get's even more expensive. That is not the least fair unless you ignore half of the classes in the game. Another display of SOE policy to nurture those who are more. That is mages and priests compared to tanks and scouts. Great policy to get rid of minorities *G*</div>

[Finora]

<P>I think the NEW system is way better than the old system, and I not only have a priest and mage, I've got a tank and a scout as well. </P> <P>The distribution of uses for rares in T7 was terribly skewed making spongy loams only used by fighters (to my knowledge) ,acrylia only used by jewelers and the occassional bit of furniture, while moonstones were used by priests, mages, scouts, jewelers and carpenters. Seems an excessive load for one rare that comes from the same stone as another nearly useless one.</P> <P>The change spreads it out a bit more, which is a GOOD thing. Now tanks and scouts use spongy for spells. To my knowledge the ONLY thing loam is used for. 2 things with this change.</P> <P>Acrylia will be used for mage adepts, melee jewelry and furniture items. That's 3.</P> <P>Moonstones will be used for priest adepts, caster jewelry, resist jewelry, and furniture. Thats 4. </P> <P>So despite whatever you think is so awful about the changes, scouts and tanks are still getting the good end of the deal. You can't over look all the other things that particular rare is used for when you compare them. </P> <P>So people bought up lots of acrylia since information about this change was put on test. You could have done the same /shrug, there is nothing wrong with that. I know a lot of people who've been hording it since shortly after KOS came out because we knew the distribution was a mistake and that something would be changed sometime.</P> <P>Fact of it is, acrylia prices will go up. Moonstone prices will likely stay where they are as will spongy loam prices. The rare market is ruled by how much people are willing to pay for rares. If people don't pay more then they won't sell for more. If loam prices do go up, it will likely only be for  a couple of weeks then they will drop again.</P> <P>And as for spongy loams being horribly rare, I don't know about that, I harvest A LOT (3 t7crafters) and I've gotten as many spongy loams as I have moonstones. /shrug </P> <P> </P> <P> </P>

[Kenazeer]

<blockquote><hr>Calendri wrote:<div></div> <p>Fact of it is, acrylia prices will go up. <b>Moonstone prices will likely stay where they are as will spongy loam prices.</b> The rare market is ruled by how much people are willing to pay for rares. If people don't pay more then they won't sell for more. If loam prices do go up, it will likely only be for  a couple of weeks then they will drop again.</p> <p>And as for spongy loams being horribly rare, I don't know about that, I harvest A LOT (3 t7crafters) and I've gotten as many spongy loams as I have moonstones. /shrug </p> <hr> Spongy loams are already the most profitable rare to obtain and sell. That being the case, I would posit that the supply, for profiteering sake (not used in the perjorative), is about at its max.  If this is true, I am not aware of any economic models which suggest that an increased demand and "fixed" supply would lead to stagnant prices. If prices were to remain the same the suppy should theoretically double. I just don't see that happening. I could be all wrong though. </blockquote><div></div>

[TalanRM]

<P>On Lucen Spongey Loam was already far more expensive and harder to get hold of than Moonstone. The situation is just going to get worse. Acrylia was purchased within an hour or so of the test notes coming out and I dare say that a few people will may a few hundred plat or so out of it. This is only likely to damage those classes/ alts that are after the same Master's as the people who are about to make a killing, but will even out for them are more rares are harvested.</P> <P>Making the most expensive rare even more in demand is just senseless. Particularly, when for many T7 crafting classes the availability of adamantite (common harvest from the same nodes) is the primary delay in advancing crafting levels. The plat farmers will be swarming around these nodes now, driving the price of Spongey Loam up further.</P> <P>It is probably right to let another rare be used for some arch-type spell rares, but putting more demand on Spongey Loam shows another lack of understanding regarding T7 crafting. A sensible solution would be to introduce another rare to be used for once class (and to introduce the new rare about a month or so before the recipes change to enable equal stocks to build up) and to leave the existing rares alone.</P>

[retro_guy]

<div><blockquote><hr>Lites wrote:<div>One person has already bought up the entire broker supplies of Acrylia Clusters on our server. While I agree that it may be a good idea to make changes in spell rares, it would make much better sense to introduce a completely new rare for scout skills rather than changing the use of acrylia.</div> <div> </div> <div>Please devs, don't mess up server economies by allowing test server users who have had prior knowledge of this change to make obscene plat gains out of this situation. A similar thing happened in EQ1 and it ruined the server economy.</div><hr></blockquote>It will make no difference to the economy at all! What does it matter if a handful of players make a few hundred plat each (it's very easy to make that in the game as it is), they will either 1) sit on the money, having no effect on the economy at all or 2) spend it probably buying items (you might have for sale).It's not like any new money is being introduced into the economy.I'm just pleased I saved my acrylia, rather than selling it off for the 50gp it was going on Befallen. I think I have a stack or so, which will be nice as I am a caster and have a few adept 3s still to have made.</div>

[Sacra Magice]

<DIV>With the old system, spongy loam was the most expensive rare in my server. With this change, I can only see spongy loam being MORE expensive and with way more difference to the other rares like acrylia cluster and rough moonstone.</DIV> <DIV><BR>If they dont add something to this change, like changing the rate spongy can be harvested or adding more ore resources, I see this new system a very bad change for scouts and fighters</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>As I said in other post, I dont really care how many uses does a rare have. The question is how difficult an item is obtained and how high or low is the demand of it. And the fact is that acrylia cluster had already more uses than spongy loam with the old system, and acrylia was about 25gp while spongy loam was 3.5pp... so, I dont think we should go on talking about how many uses does any rare has or will have.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>This change is good on the side that acrylia will no longer be useless, but is a very bad move for spongy loam, that will be too usefull...</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>So, overall, not a good idea.<BR><BR>I would come back to the tier 6 system</DIV> <DIV><BR>Moonstone and acrylia for any adept III (moonstone caster jewelery, acrylia fighter jewelery)</DIV> <DIV>Delete spongy loams</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Vanadium and pearl are the same price in my server, so tier 6 was a balanced system. Dunno why it needed to be changed</DIV><p>Message Edited by Sacra Magice on <span class=date_text>04-29-2006</span> <span class=time_text>02:05 AM</span>

[Lairdragna]

Let's not forget the cinder ore collection quest gives moonstone or acrylia... people create alts just to do the collection quest turn in and get these rares.So you can harvest them, or you can get one from TWO different collectible quests.Spongy to my knowledge only comes from nodes.So... 6 mage classes get acrylia the most common rareAnd... 6 priest classes get moonstone to themselves, from nodes or collection quests12!  Yes TWELVE classes share the rarest of the rares that only comes off of nodes!You call this balanced?<div></div>

[Pins]

<DIV>Honestly, there being change is good, however the change that is occuring, is bad.  They should have put scouts on acrylia, and left mages on moonstones, so that way if you're a sage you don't have to deal with 2 different types of rares.  I mean, lets look at it this way, if you get a crafting event and manage to get a rare as a sage in T7, what do you end up with?  A moonstone, well you can only make half of your products with a moonstone.</DIV>

[valorium]

This idea to have scouts, and fighter share spongy loam is ridiculous. SP ia already the most expensive 4-6p and in high demand on fighters alone. The pricse is going to jump again while preists and mages are getting their adept 3's with ease off of more common rares.

[UrkBloodA]

<P>imho the change sucks.</P> <P>I've horded some moonstones for when I need them for ad3s and the slated change will now make them not used by my class.</P> <P>I propose the following:</P> <P>spoungy loams - make furniture and illusionist ad3's<BR>acrylia - make fighter ad3s - everyone will agree this should really help fighters out.<BR>moonstones - make potions with these.<BR>rough topaz - make all other class ad3's.</P> <P>at least this way everyone will be happy, well at least mostly everyone.</P> <P>The proper response would have been to make all 2 of the t7 rares work for all profession ad3's (ie, loams & moonstones.)</P> <P>The rarity of t7 ad3 resources isn't just in harvesting.  T7 names do not drop them with the same frequency as lower tier names.  Especially on raids.</P> <P> </P> <P> </P> <P> </P>

[Scort]

I think EVERYONE needs to be switched to Acrylia clusters and save moonstones for jewelry.

[Lairdragna]

I don;t care who uses what, or if we all use the same, so long as we don;t have an imbalance of two classes using the rarest rare and two others with their own, that just happens to also be a reward from two collection quests.<div></div>

[OperationsX]

<DIV>Stupid change, Moonstone wasn't that expensive it was spongy loam that was the rarest and now it gets used twice as more, nice. </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Constantly up till recently, for many months there was only 1-3 spongy loams on my servers broker vs 30 odd moonstones. </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Moonstone prices were fine, 2p75gish isn't bad for the top ad3. Acrylia prices obviously needed fixing...wonder whatever happened to acrylia being used for scout, that would be cool. SOE isn't considering the cinder ore quest into the supply and they should. Now that quest wont be worth doing it as it would still cost about 1p50g to do and as acrylia will still be pretty low and moonstone will be lower and Spongy loam will remain out of control and rare.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Gonna look like this a month after changes: </DIV> <DIV>Rough Moonstone: 1p25g , Acrylia Cluster: 60g, Spongy Loam 4p</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Previous tier:</DIV> <DIV>Rough Pearl: 2p, Vanadium Cluster: 1p75g</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Nice and balanced, uh huh</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Stupid change.</DIV><p>Message Edited by OperationsX on <span class=date_text>05-02-2006</span> <span class=time_text>09:28 AM</span>

[Obadiah]

<DIV><FONT size=2><FONT size=1> <P><SPAN class=140371717-02052006><FONT face=Arial size=2>Last night I noticed that acrylia was down as low as 1P. The first page of them were all under 2. Moonstones started a hair over 2P, and there 2 pages of those as well.</FONT></SPAN></P> <P><SPAN class=140371717-02052006><FONT face=Arial size=2>There were exactly 4 spongys. Starting at 4.1P.</FONT></SPAN></P> <P><SPAN class=140371717-02052006><FONT face=Arial size=2>The already existing price disparity is why my Necro has an Adept 3 of everything through 67 that she isn't fortunate enough to have a master of while my poor Berserker has ONE post-60 CA upgraded to Adept 3. Should only get worse now. </FONT></SPAN></P> <P><SPAN class=140371717-02052006><FONT face=Arial size=2>Oddly enough I really don't think that's a bad thing even though it hoses my main toon. Why should every class be the same? "Oh, you want an Adept 3? Pick up a 2P rare." Period. </FONT></SPAN><SPAN class=140371717-02052006><FONT face=Arial size=2>Nah, some are harder to come by than others. Such is life. </FONT></SPAN></P> <P><SPAN class=140371717-02052006><FONT face=Arial size=2>It'd be nice if it rotated in t8 though . . . .:smileytongue:</FONT></SPAN></P></FONT></FONT></DIV>

[ArraSilverhawk]

<DIV>Horrible changes.  Tipping the balance in favor of mages first and priests second.  After that scouts and fighters get the shaft.  If you are going to change it, change it so either spongy loam is removed, and the other two rares are using for all skills/spells, or that all three rares are used for all skills/spells.  That is the only way to have an appropriate BALANCE.</DIV>

[Domiuk]

<P>The fact that this went Live today is an utter disgrace.</P> <P>One of the stupidist changes they have ever made.</P> <P>Spongy Loam on Kithicor averaged 4.5 p and at no time would the brokers get in to double figures on them</P> <P> willing to bet they hit 7p within 2 weeks.</P> <P>Why couldnt acrylia have simply gone to fighters and spongy to scouts cutting the demand for moonstones or</P> <P>even just acrylia to scouts.</P> <P> </P> <P> </P> <P> </P>

[rcknchr]

This isnt a bad change if you think about it. Mages are gonna be all AD3 so they will be nuking harder. The tank with their AD1 taunts wont be able to keep aggro so the Priest rezzes will be more useful.  Also Scouts DPS will drop further behind the mages (but that doesnt matter scouts suck anyways. Wait Im a scout). /sarcasm off

[hammong]

<P>Personally, I've only found ONE spongy loam, to 4-5 moonstones and 4-5 acrylia clusters.   Why is this?   I pick the ore just as much as the other rocks, because I've been looking for Xegonite clusters too.    Being a scout class, I'm not at all happy with the rarity of the Spongy Loams.       Now, there's TWICE the competition for the Spongy Loams - not only does my Shadowknight have to look forward to the high price, but my Assassin too.   Great....</P>

[MykelKamille]

/rant on I have been off for a week or more sick so never heard any of these changes. I bought up a heap of moonstones for my necro so I could get most of his major spells at adept III and i got some for a reasonable offer.....350gp each as prices just werent going down on my server but seemed to be going up. I make my own spells and level my sage and necro up at same pace..lvl66atm. Now i log on today to find LU23 and that my moonstones are worthless and prices are all [expletive haxx0red by Raijinn]ed up. Now i have to try and trade for bloody acrylias cause i am too broke to buy any. I feel like deleting my toons and quitting now. This change should have been done when KoS came out. I am so sick of bloody poor design thought put into the game atm. If i [expletive haxx0red by Raijinn]ed up this bad at work i'd be fired. /rant off <div></div>

[evil_drag]

<BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Emerix wrote:<BR> <DIV>Spongy loams and moostones are both for 3pp atm here on AB . The next LU will make spongy loams too expensive ebcause suddenly half the players will need them .<BR> <HR> </DIV></BLOCKQUOTE> Actually i just gonna need some 3 adept III on each char almost all spells are masters or adept III already., my guildies almost thee same., so i don't think  that suddently half players will need them. no as when KoS launch., that people was getting a lvl by day actually most players lvling slow 3 or more days by lvl.<BR>

[Obadiah]

<P>Mykel, that's a bummer. On the bright side, moonstones and acrylia are now interchangeable pricewise, with acrylia if anything being cheaper. So you should be able to swap without too much hassle. </P> <P>But you raise a good point. Can you imagine if all of those moonstones you had were for a Ranger!?!?!? :smileysurprised:</P> <P>Yeah . . .  you could still trade . . . . maybe 5 moonstones for a spongy?</P>

[MykelKamille]

Thanks Obadiah. I doubt i would be only person caught out by this. This change just disadvantages the casual / part time player. Imagine you were a casual ranger and had harvested a moonstone at lvl60 but were waiting till you made lvl64 to see what your master 2 choices were before committing your moonstone to an adept III. Now you are screwed 2 ways. Not only is that moonstone useless to you (and trying to trade it will be next to impossible) but you now need an even more expensive (at least on my server) tradeskill rare and now you have to share this with fighters no doubt pushing prices up. In case someone from Sony reads this...."more demand for a resource = high prices" Simple economics. If Sony had made it so every class had a specific rare then i could understand it (sort of). But the changes will benefit mages and priests and disadvantage fighters and scouts. If i didnt know any better i would think there was a secret vanguard insider working on bringing this game down...no wait that makes perfect sense. <span>:smileywink:</span> <div></div>

[OperationsX]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> retro_guy wrote:<BR> <DIV><BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Lites wrote:<BR> <DIV>One person has already bought up the entire broker supplies of Acrylia Clusters on our server. While I agree that it may be a good idea to make changes in spell rares, it would make much better sense to introduce a completely new rare for scout skills rather than changing the use of acrylia.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Please devs, don't mess up server economies by allowing test server users who have had prior knowledge of this change to make obscene plat gains out of this situation. A similar thing happened in EQ1 and it ruined the server economy.</DIV><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE><BR>It will make no difference to the economy at all! <BR><BR>What does it matter if a handful of players make a few hundred plat each (it's very easy to make that in the game as it is), they will either 1) sit on the money, having no effect on the economy at all or 2) spend it probably buying items (you might have for sale).<BR><BR>It's not like any new money is being introduced into the economy.<BR><BR>I'm just pleased I saved my acrylia, rather than selling it off for the 50gp it was going on Befallen. I think I have a stack or so, which will be nice as I am a caster and have a few adept 3s still to have made.<BR></DIV><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE><BR>Doesn't matter anyway, they will make alot less than they thought, on my server at least, Acrylia after the change is already down to 80g due to overselling of it and the spell crafters not buying em. So on our server the resellers will make an amazing 50g per cluster...wow that was worth it haha /rollseyes

[Kenazeer]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> OperationsX wrote:<BR> <BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> retro_guy wrote:<BR> <DIV><BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Lites wrote:<BR> <DIV>One person has already bought up the entire broker supplies of Acrylia Clusters on our server. While I agree that it may be a good idea to make changes in spell rares, it would make much better sense to introduce a completely new rare for scout skills rather than changing the use of acrylia.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Please devs, don't mess up server economies by allowing test server users who have had prior knowledge of this change to make obscene plat gains out of this situation. A similar thing happened in EQ1 and it ruined the server economy.</DIV><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE><BR>It will make no difference to the economy at all! <BR><BR>What does it matter if a handful of players make a few hundred plat each (it's very easy to make that in the game as it is), they will either 1) sit on the money, having no effect on the economy at all or 2) spend it probably buying items (you might have for sale).<BR><BR>It's not like any new money is being introduced into the economy.<BR><BR>I'm just pleased I saved my acrylia, rather than selling it off for the 50gp it was going on Befallen. I think I have a stack or so, which will be nice as I am a caster and have a few adept 3s still to have made.<BR></DIV><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE><BR>Doesn't matter anyway, they will make alot less than they thought, on my server at least, Acrylia after the change is already down to 80g due to overselling of it and the spell crafters not buying em. <FONT color=#ffff00>So on our server the resellers will make an amazing 50g per cluster...</FONT><FONT color=#ffff00>wow that was worth it haha /rollseyes</FONT><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE><BR>Either you have way too much money or a completley different sense of worth than me. So a transaction that nets someone a ~166% profit isn't worth it?<p>Message Edited by Kenazeer on <span class=date_text>05-05-2006</span> <span class=time_text>08:43 AM</span>

[Guy De Alsace]

As a casual player I've never needed more than an Adept 1 so I doubt this will affect casuals much. However I feel for the raiders who are already suffering from the loss of income from having few (if any) rares now drop in loot plus the very high repair costs. Raiding Scouts are going to be destitute now....Poisons, Arrows, Repairs and now vanishingly rare harvests needed for their Adepts... <div></div>

[Eloa]

<P>I think the best solution would be that you can use every rar for every class spell upgrade. This worked nice from lvl 1 to lvl 60, no reason for a change at 60+.</P> <P>My situation is like this: My Mage is my main and he is 70 now and has almost all spells Adept 3 or Master 1. I saved up another 7 moonstones and planed to use them for my scout that is lvl 60 now. Unfortunatly I do not read often on the test server board so I read about the planed changes the same day live update 23 goes live and I didnt have time to use my moonstones before the live update.</P> <P>Eloah</P>

[OperationsX]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Kenazeer wrote:<BR> <BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> OperationsX wrote:<BR> <BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> retro_guy wrote:<BR> <DIV><BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Lites wrote:<BR> <DIV>One person has already bought up the entire broker supplies of Acrylia Clusters on our server. While I agree that it may be a good idea to make changes in spell rares, it would make much better sense to introduce a completely new rare for scout skills rather than changing the use of acrylia.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Please devs, don't mess up server economies by allowing test server users who have had prior knowledge of this change to make obscene plat gains out of this situation. A similar thing happened in EQ1 and it ruined the server economy.</DIV><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE><BR>It will make no difference to the economy at all! <BR><BR>What does it matter if a handful of players make a few hundred plat each (it's very easy to make that in the game as it is), they will either 1) sit on the money, having no effect on the economy at all or 2) spend it probably buying items (you might have for sale).<BR><BR>It's not like any new money is being introduced into the economy.<BR><BR>I'm just pleased I saved my acrylia, rather than selling it off for the 50gp it was going on Befallen. I think I have a stack or so, which will be nice as I am a caster and have a few adept 3s still to have made.<BR></DIV><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE><BR>Doesn't matter anyway, they will make alot less than they thought, on my server at least, Acrylia after the change is already down to 80g due to overselling of it and the spell crafters not buying em. <FONT color=#ffff00>So on our server the resellers will make an amazing 50g per cluster...</FONT><FONT color=#ffff00>wow that was worth it haha /rollseyes</FONT><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE><BR>Either you have way too much money or a completley different sense of worth than me. So a transaction that nets someone a ~166% profit isn't worth it? <P>Message Edited by Kenazeer on <SPAN class=date_text>05-05-2006</SPAN> <SPAN class=time_text>08:43 AM</SPAN><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE><BR>No that's *Best case scenario* Alot of people found out news and were already paying 50g+ for clusters, frantically buying em offline would put it at 60g+ making their resell about 20-40g and no that's not worth it, I make better profit selling ad3's. Dude sounds like your not in T7, adventurers can make triple that in a day...

[Kenazeer]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> OperationsX wrote:<BR> <BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Kenazeer wrote:<BR> <BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> OperationsX wrote:<BR> <BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> retro_guy wrote:<BR> <DIV><BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Lites wrote:<BR> <DIV>One person has already bought up the entire broker supplies of Acrylia Clusters on our server. While I agree that it may be a good idea to make changes in spell rares, it would make much better sense to introduce a completely new rare for scout skills rather than changing the use of acrylia.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Please devs, don't mess up server economies by allowing test server users who have had prior knowledge of this change to make obscene plat gains out of this situation. A similar thing happened in EQ1 and it ruined the server economy.</DIV><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE><BR>It will make no difference to the economy at all!<BR><BR>What does it matter if a handful of players make a few hundred plat each (it's very easy to make that in the game as it is), they will either 1) sit on the money, having no effect on the economy at all or 2) spend it probably buying items (you might have for sale).<BR><BR>It's not like any new money is being introduced into the economy.<BR><BR>I'm just pleased I saved my acrylia, rather than selling it off for the 50gp it was going on Befallen. I think I have a stack or so, which will be nice as I am a caster and have a few adept 3s still to have made.<BR></DIV><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE><BR>Doesn't matter anyway, they will make alot less than they thought, on my server at least, Acrylia after the change is already down to 80g due to overselling of it and the spell crafters not buying em. <FONT color=#ffff00>So on our server the resellers will make an amazing 50g per cluster...</FONT><FONT color=#ffff00>wow that was worth it haha /rollseyes</FONT><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE><BR>Either you have way too much money or a completley different sense of worth than me. So a transaction that nets someone a ~166% profit isn't worth it? <P>Message Edited by Kenazeer on <SPAN class=date_text>05-05-2006</SPAN><SPAN class=time_text>08:43 AM</SPAN><BR></P> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE> <DIV><BR>No that's *Best case scenario* Alot of people found out news and were already paying 50g+ for clusters, frantically buying em offline would put it at 60g+ making their resell about 20-40g and no that's not worth it, I make better profit selling ad3's. Dude sounds like your not in T7, adventurers can make triple that in a day...<BR></DIV> <DIV> <HR> </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Lol...don't be so presumptious.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>I still say that even a 33-66% pure profit from simply buying something and then reselling it is pretty daggone good, especially if you multiplied that by 10, 20, or even 100 clusters. Easy money in "small" chunks is still easy money. If you don't want to bother with it that is your prerogative, but there are plenty of people willing to do it.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV> </DIV></BLOCKQUOTE>

[c00nd]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Eloah2 wrote:<BR> <P>I think the best solution would be that you can use every rar for every class spell upgrade. This worked nice from lvl 1 to lvl 60, no reason for a change at 60+.</P> <P>Eloah</P><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE>Seems so obvious to me.  That is my suggestion also.  Just let the recipes for adept IIIs use any rare.<BR>

[masakre]

heh, the economy was screwed up two weeks after release when you could buy non rares off the broker to update your collection quests from the tradeskill instance and do them over and over. Most newbs had a few silver, maybe a couple gold. The peeps that took advantage of this were platinaires far before anyone saw T5.