Can we please have Player Crafted Gi's for Monks/Bruisers !!!!

[Ptolo]

<DIV>I have both a Monk and a Bruiser and the lack of Gi's and I find that there is a lack of Gi's available for those classes to obtain. Evrey class except monk/bruiser have their specific armour crafable except for the Monk/Bruiser Gi's.</DIV> <DIV>We prefer to look like Monks/Bruisers in our really cool looking Gi's as a Pally/SK/Zerker etc would in their Plate Armor.</DIV> <DIV>I have checked the Monk Forum and read the Stickied GOT GI? Thread <A href="http://eqiiforums.station.sony.com/eq2/board/message?board.id=6&message.id=22788&[expletive haxx0red by Raijinn]ID=P%3FSN2e%3FSVerPFP41" target=_blank>http://eqiiforums.station.sony.com/eq2/board/message?board.id=6&message.id=22788&[expletive haxx0red by Raijinn]ID=P%3FSN2e%3FSVerPFP41</A>. Some of the Gi's are totally unobtainable as a solo player and some require raid groups to obtain. </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>At lvl 1 we get the standard Gi but no other till lvl 14 there should be a craftable one for lvl 10's and Imbueable.</DIV> <DIV>The lvl 20 Quest Gi cannot be completed at lvl 20 and the mobs needed to get it you need to be in your mid to late 20's which by then make the Gi pretty much getting out of date for the class and people would be looking at working on the Blood Drenched Gi as the Garatch Mot Gi we have no info on what drops it but we assume that it drops in Splitpaw in the Outer Caverns (Water Zone) where everything in that zone is Agro ^^^ or ^^ and a bit beefed up for their lvl. The zone adjusts to your lvl thus needing a full group  again making it unobtainable for the solo player. The Blood Drenched Gi is the next alternative but again you need to have Bloodlines to get it and will need a group. This is also the last Gi that DOES NOT require a raid group to obtain until you are in your 50's. So we go 20 levels or more without being able to get a new Gi. Most Gi's after the Rujarkian at 51-52 require Groups and or Raids to obtain.</DIV> <DIV>What do the Devs have against us getting our Gi's? They arent Uber, they just look great for our class and they are what we want to wear and what we should wear. I couldnt imagine what would happen if a Martial Arts Student turned up to his Dojo wearing a leather or chain suit instead of a gi in rl but I would assume that the sensei would not be very happy at all. Seriously something must be done about this, we need player crafted Gi's badly and also more NPC Dropped Gi's ingame especially in the lvl 20 - 50 range that are obtainable for the solo player.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Im pretty sure that the monk/Bruiser Community will back me on this as well as the tailoring community.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>I forgot to mention that there are also some items that say they are a Gi but do not look anything like a Gi such as Gi of the Saracen, Gi of Master McGillan, and the Gi of the Dreadnaught which I just came across on EQ2 Items Database <A href="http://eq2players.station.sony.com/en/item.vm?itemId=85263" target=_blank>http://eq2players.station.sony.com/en/item.vm?itemId=85263</A></DIV><p>Message Edited by Ptolomy on <span class=date_text>04-24-2006</span> <span class=time_text>04:09 PM</span>

[Moorgard]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Ptolomy wrote:<BR> <DIV>Evrey class except monk/bruiser have their specific armour crafable except for the Monk/Bruiser Gi's.</DIV> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE> <P><BR>There are no class-specific crafted armors. Adding them only for brawlers would be a bit unfair to other classes.</P> <P>There are sets of crafted in the level 60 to 70 range that have stats tailored toward certain classes, and there is a set that is geared toward brawlers (dexterous). It has the look worn by the monk in the videos for Desert of Flames, and can be seen on members of the Ashen Order in T'Narev.</P> <P>When it comes to drops, I agree that there are more leather tunic options than there are gi choices. There are a couple reasons for this. We want to reserve the gi look for brawlers, so such items are flagged as brawler only. But since monks and bruisers make up a fairly small percentage of the population, overitemizing a lot of dropped gis would end up as a waste of loot.</P> <P>Secondly, there are currently only three usable gi looks. One of them (the brown) is barely tintable. Overall, there's not a lot of visual variety to choose from right now. If every brawler wore one of our existing gi patterns, they would look very overused.</P> <P>Thankfully I pester poor Lotus enough that he realizes more brawler appearances are needed, and making more is on his great to-do list. In the meantime, one of the things we've done in KoS (and that I hope we see more of) is to give shoulder items the brawler look. This allows us to take the shoulders of a gi and mix them with leather or woven pieces, so you end up with a look that is distinctively brawler without needing to rely upon a gi.</P>

[selch]

<P>Moorgard,</P> <P>We love the Gi's in game, however to be honest, best look was from Gi of the Ashen Disciple. However, Gi's are famous with best look, worst stats. Is it possible to adjust Gi stats to appropiate, such as Gi of the Ashen Disciple (being L54 use, having 150 mitigation of a dualxL58 nameds, yet unusable stats --worse mitigation, resists and stats than non-rare crafted -L50- for example) , would like to see more of "that" type of Gi's in game rather than wrap styles. </P> <P>On the other hand, I love the look of "Ashen Order Monk" style on crafted items, hence, how come all stats are STR & AGI? I mean to efficiently not to get "1-shotted", Tank Brawlers primary stat is STA , no STA there </P> <P>Long story short, we would love that our Gi's to be more "combat oriented", rather than only wearing it for the look inside city zones.</P> <P>Thank you.</P><p>Message Edited by selch on <span class=date_text>04-25-2006</span> <span class=time_text>04:17 AM</span>

[Gungo]

How about a druid/brawler kimono robe look.

[Warpax]

I would love for my  brawler just to be able to have armor but appear bare ..maybe an option to toggle visibilty of pieces.<div></div>

[Reposa]

The only two shoulders I have seen with "gi-like" graphics are the Shoulderpads of the Dark Disciple and the Manacles of Dark Sky (which aren't just brawler, but they have the gi look...). I have the ones from the claymore quest, they look like leather shoulders, I have Stormcharge Mantle (from the cube x4s), and it looks like leather shoulders. I have no problem with this at all really.  But shoulders hardly give us a "brawler" look.  Why not make our relic BPs/shoulders look like Gi's?  Or Excarnate?  I've seen 4 brawler-ish BPs out there, some are brawler only, and none a Gi.. You could just give us a /showchest option so we can make our own gi and the item designers won't even have to worry about it <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /> <div></div>

[Kam]

I agree we should have Gi of the Ashen Disciple + better stats. I still wear it around the city.

[Adewale]

I wish I understood why brawlers had such a hard-on for Gis. I have the PVP faction merchant Gi and I hate it. In fact, I hate them all. Pajamas, hello? Not digging it. I much more enjoyed the padded armor look.<div></div>

[Arciahand]

<P>The Gi's definatly suffer from poor stats... Items seem to taylor to the crafted equivilants, a Legendary Gi should have similar stats to a Legendary crafted chest piece of the same Tier.  Why the discrepency for Gis?  I understand why Players can't craft Gis, however, I think the droped Gis should be of similar quality.</P> <P> </P>

[Zabjade]

<blockquote><hr>Moorgard wrote:<div></div> <blockquote> <hr> Ptolomy wrote: <div></div> <div></div> <div>Evrey class except monk/bruiser have their specific armour crafable except for the Monk/Bruiser Gi's.</div> <hr> </blockquote> <p>There are no class-specific crafted armors. Adding them only for brawlers would be a bit unfair to other classes. </p> <p><font color="#66cc00"><font size="2"><font face="Comic Sans MS">They may not be class specfic but plate is plate regardless of class. And other then druid classes the only class that uses Leather on a consistant basis are the Monks/Brawlers. the all leathered up look says Fury or Warden.</font></font></font> </p> <p>There are sets of crafted in the level 60 to 70 range that have stats tailored toward certain classes, and there is a set that is geared toward brawlers (dexterous). It has the look worn by the monk in the videos for Desert of Flames, and can be seen on members of the Ashen Order in T'Narev. </p> <p><font color="#66cc00"><font size="2"><font face="Comic Sans MS">that is find for 60-70 but that IS a long stretch.</font></font></font> </p> <p>When it comes to drops, I agree that there are more leather tunic options than there are gi choices. There are a couple reasons for this. We want to reserve the gi look for brawlers, so such items are flagged as brawler only. But since monks and bruisers make up a fairly small percentage of the population, overitemizing a lot of dropped gis would end up as a waste of loot. </p> <p><font color="#66cc00"><font size="2"><font face="Comic Sans MS">Perhaps if they were slightly more of those drops with <b>decent stats</b>(<i>Read Mitigation, Avoidance us useless when amushed by yellow</i> +) there would be more monk/bruiser players. I created a SK just to have something to do with all of the armor drops I get. </font></font></font> </p> <p>Secondly, there are currently only three usable gi looks. One of them (the brown) is barely tintable. Overall, there's not a lot of visual variety to choose from right now. If every brawler wore one of our existing gi patterns, they would look very overused. </p> <p><font color="#66cc00"><font size="2"><font face="Comic Sans MS">The Female Soga version of the Brown Gi needs work BTW the legs don't puff out like it should, and if you need designs. </font></font></font></p> <p><font color="#66cc00"><font size="2"><font face="Comic Sans MS"><img src="http://www.gower.net/sdragan/NuMoon/gi.jpg"> </font></font></font></p> <p><font color="#66cc00"><font size="2"><font face="Comic Sans MS"><img src="http://www.gower.net/sdragan/NuMoon/gi2.jpg"> </font></font></font></p> <p><font color="#66cc00"><font size="2"><font face="Comic Sans MS"><img src="http://gower.net/sdragan/NuMoon/rotlc.jpg"> </font></font></font></p> <p>Thankfully I pester poor Lotus enough that he realizes more brawler appearances are needed, and making more is on his great to-do list. In the meantime, one of the things we've done in KoS (and that I hope we see more of) is to give shoulder items the brawler look. This allows us to take the shoulders of a gi and mix them with leather or woven pieces, so you end up with a look that is distinctively brawler without needing to rely upon a gi. </p> <p><font color="#66ff00"><font size="2"><font face="Comic Sans MS">Good, because We <b>WILL</b> be watching. <span>:smileywink: </span></font></font></font></p> <hr></blockquote><div></div>

[KerowynnKaotic]

<P><FONT color=#ff3300>2 things and then I stay out of this; since I am not a Brawler.  Though as a Tailor on the side .. more recipes the better .. :smileywink:</FONT></P> <P> </P> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Moorgard wrote:<BR> <BR> <BLOCKQUOTE>*snipped*</BLOCKQUOTE> <P><BR> Adding them only for brawlers would be a bit unfair to other classes.</P>         *snipped*<BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE> <P><FONT color=#ff3300>You added a Bruiser/Monk only Tunic to a Newbie Quest line that had only (4) Arch Specific "Plain" Chest Pieces.   How "fair" was that?</FONT></P> <P><FONT color=#ff3300>(And, I'm not even going to argue as to whether or not that replaced item was bugged or not .. )</FONT></P> <P> </P> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Zabjade wrote:<BR><BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <P>*snipped*</P> <P><FONT color=#66cc00><FONT size=2><FONT face="Comic Sans MS">They may not be class specfic but plate is plate regardless of class. And other then druid classes the only class that uses Leather on a consistant basis are the Monks/Brawlers. <U>the all leathered up look says Fury or Warden.</U></FONT></FONT></FONT><BR></P> <P>*snipped*</P> <HR> <P><BR></P></BLOCKQUOTE> <P></P> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE> <P><FONT color=#ff3300>Actually, the only thing that Leather Armor (crafted or not) says about a Fury or a Warden is that they are wearing Leather.   At least the Brawlers have some hope of a distictive outfit in their future.  All Druids get are "Newbie" Skirts and more "Newbie" Skirts.  </FONT></P> <P><FONT color=#ff3300>'Sides have you made a Bruiser lately?  I made one the other day and while it had some issues on the chest (*memo self to send those pixs to Lotus*) .. it was an interesting design .. I thought the newbie starting Bruiser outfit was very appealing .. or as appealing as it could be on an Ogre ... :smileytongue:</FONT></P> <P><BR> </P>

[zabor]

<blockquote><hr>Ptolomy wrote:<DIV>Im pretty sure that the monk/Bruiser Community will back me on this as well as the tailoring community.</DIV><hr></blockquote>No. I am very happy that there are no craftable Gis. It makes a Gi very unique. And its not as if Gis are impossible to obtain.<p>Message Edited by zaboron on <span class=date_text>04-25-2006</span> <span class=time_text>01:12 PM</span>

[Cuz]

<DIV><BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> zaboron wrote:<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Ptolomy wrote: <DIV>Im pretty sure that the monk/Bruiser Community will back me on this as well as the tailoring community.</DIV> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE>No. I am very happy that there are no craftable Gis. It makes a Gi very unique. And its not as if Gis are impossible to obtain. <P>Message Edited by zaboron on <SPAN class=date_text>04-25-2006</SPAN> <SPAN class=time_text>01:12 PM</SPAN><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE><BR>Not for non-raiders no. Unless you're ok with wearing GIs that are 1 tier lower stat wise.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>But that's the whole point isn't it? </DIV>

[Aduvar]

<P><IMG src="http://www.integrity.com/homes/pthornton/froggieslittle.JPG"></P> <P>What about something like that. That is like what Bruce Lee wore in a lot of movies. I think it would look cool.</P> <P> </P> <P>(that is not my artwork, I hired someone to draw that pic of mine and my wife's frogloks.) </P> <P>Thanks,<BR>Brrupp Furyflipper</P> <P>Message Edited by Aduvar on <SPAN class=date_text>04-25-2006</SPAN> <SPAN class=time_text>08:13 AM</SPAN></P><p>Message Edited by Aduvar on <span class=date_text>04-25-2006</span> <span class=time_text>02:03 PM</span>

[zabor]

<blockquote><hr>Jenoy wrote:<DIV><BLOCKQUOTE><HR>zaboron wrote:<BLOCKQUOTE><HR>Ptolomy wrote:<DIV>Im pretty sure that the monk/Bruiser Community will back me on this as well as the tailoring community.</DIV><HR></BLOCKQUOTE>No. I am very happy that there are no craftable Gis. It makes a Gi very unique. And its not as if Gis are impossible to obtain.<P>Message Edited by zaboron on <SPAN class=date_text>04-25-2006</SPAN> <SPAN class=time_text>01:12 PM</SPAN><HR></BLOCKQUOTE>Not for non-raiders no. Unless you're ok with wearing GIs that are 1 tier lower stat wise.</DIV><DIV> </DIV><DIV>But that's the whole point isn't it? </DIV><hr></blockquote>There are more Gis obtainable solo/groupable than in raids. So dont complain.<p>Message Edited by zaboron on <span class=date_text>04-25-2006</span> <span class=time_text>05:16 PM</span>

[NerissaRavenHeart]

<div><blockquote><hr>Warpax wrote:I would love for my  brawler just to be able to have armor but appear bare .<i><b>.maybe an option to toggle visibilty of pieces.</b></i><div></div><hr></blockquote>thats a pretty neat idea, toggle visibility or armor pieces so you can either have it show or not show. Verbatim to /showhood.Masu</div>

[Pheeb]

Would love to have a /showchest option when wearing a GI at least - being a bruiser I find most of the GI looks besides 50 more geared towards monks - I think they fits better monks than bruisers...at least make the /showchest toggle available...Thanks. <div></div>

[DarkerApprenti]

<div><blockquote><hr>zaboron wrote:<blockquote><hr>Jenoy wrote:<div><blockquote><hr>zaboron wrote:<blockquote><hr>Ptolomy wrote:<div>Im pretty sure that the monk/Bruiser Community will back me on this as well as the tailoring community.</div><hr></blockquote>No. I am very happy that there are no craftable Gis. It makes a Gi very unique. And its not as if Gis are impossible to obtain.<p>Message Edited by zaboron on <span class="date_text">04-25-2006</span> <span class="time_text">01:12 PM</span></p><hr></blockquote>Not for non-raiders no. <font color="#ffff00">Unless you're ok with wearing GIs that are 1 tier lower stat wise.</font></div><div> </div><div>But that's the whole point isn't it? </div><hr></blockquote>There are more Gis obtainable solo/groupable than in raids. So dont complain.<p>Message Edited by zaboron on <span class="date_text">04-25-2006</span> <span class="time_text">05:16 PM</span></p><hr></blockquote>See the yellow part? I think that is what he's a bit upset about.</div>

[Prothos]

Honestly I feel where hes coming from on this.  Think of it this way at least when you hit 64 you have a Gi which is decent in which even a softcore person can obtain.

[Rijacki]

<div><blockquote><hr>Pheebau wrote:Would love to have a /showchest option when wearing a GI at least - being a bruiser I find most of the GI looks besides 50 more geared towards monks - I think they fits better monks than bruisers...at least make the /showchest toggle available...Thanks. <div></div><hr></blockquote>And how would that display on a female character?</div>

[Pheeb]

<div></div><blockquote><hr>Rijacki wrote:<div><blockquote><hr>Pheebau wrote:Would love to have a /showchest option when wearing a GI at least - being a bruiser I find most of the GI looks besides 50 more geared towards monks - I think they fits better monks than bruisers...<font color="#ffff00">at least make the /showchest toggle available</font>...Thanks. <div></div><hr></blockquote>And how would that display on a female character?</div><hr></blockquote>Hence why I had suggested a toggle - you get a choice (see yellow above) - and don't female toons have Bra's? if not then that should be addressed - I recall seeing bra's on Iksar females at least...<div></div><p>Message Edited by Pheebau on <span class=date_text>04-25-2006</span> <span class=time_text>04:01 PM</span>

[Ptolo]

<P>Well I certainly have never seen these guys wearing plate or chain or even leather armour.</P> <P><A href="http://www.shaolin-wushu.de/en/en_shop/detail/detail_postkarten_shaolin_moenche.htm" target=_blank>http://www.shaolin-wushu.de/en/en_shop/detail/detail_postkarten_shaolin_moenche.htm</A></P> <P><A href="http://images.google.com/images?svnum=10&hl=en&lr=&rls=GBSA%2CGBSA%3A2005-22%2CGBSA%3Aen&q=shaolin+monk" target=_blank>http://images.google.com/images?svnum=10&hl=en&lr=&rls=GBSA%2CGBSA%3A2005-22%2CGBSA%3Aen&q=shaolin+monk</A>+</P><p>Message Edited by Ptolomy on <span class=date_text>04-25-2006</span> <span class=time_text>05:49 PM</span>

[Ptolo]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Moorgard wrote:<BR> <BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Ptolomy wrote:<BR> <DIV>Evrey class except monk/bruiser have their specific armour crafable except for the Monk/Bruiser Gi's.</DIV> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE> <P><BR>There are no class-specific crafted armors. Adding them only for brawlers would be a bit unfair to other classes.</P> <P>There are sets of crafted in the level 60 to 70 range that have stats tailored toward certain classes, and there is a set that is geared toward brawlers (dexterous). It has the look worn by the monk in the videos for Desert of Flames, and can be seen on members of the Ashen Order in T'Narev.</P> <P>When it comes to drops, I agree that there are more leather tunic options than there are gi choices. There are a couple reasons for this. We want to reserve the gi look for brawlers, so such items are flagged as brawler only. But since monks and bruisers make up a fairly small percentage of the population, overitemizing a lot of dropped gis would end up as a waste of loot.</P> <P>Secondly, there are currently only three usable gi looks. One of them (the brown) is barely tintable. Overall, there's not a lot of visual variety to choose from right now. If every brawler wore one of our existing gi patterns, they would look very overused.</P> <P>Thankfully I pester poor Lotus enough that he realizes more brawler appearances are needed, and making more is on his great to-do list. In the meantime, one of the things we've done in KoS (and that I hope we see more of) is to give shoulder items the brawler look. This allows us to take the shoulders of a gi and mix them with leather or woven pieces, so you end up with a look that is distinctively brawler without needing to rely upon a gi.</P><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE> <P><BR>Ok I have been pondering over this for a few hours here at the office and I have an idea that would work in everyones favor here Moorgard.</P> <P>Why not do something similar to what was done in SWG with Tailored Bounty Hunter Armor but do it for every class.</P> <P>What they did was occasionaly a schematic would drop for a certain piece of armor ie chest, head, legs etc. These schematics were one off craftable items and required a couple of hard to get items as  components. Unfortunately for the rest of the player base these schematics were only good for the BH Class, however what I propose here is that the EQ2 Team could take this idea and expand it a bit so that a recipe could drop for each and every class and at different tiers in different zones. The recipes again would be one off cratable items and require either on two or three rare components depending on the tier to craft. These would require you to hire an Armorsmith or Tailor to Craft. Now before you say well what about the other crafting professions, one of the components required to craft the recipe could come from one of the other crafting professions, each different classes armor component would require that it be an item from a different crafting profession. The possibilities with this are endless and the looks that the armour could have also ie a SK could end up eventually at say lvl 65 with a set of armor looking similar to the armor the lvl 70 Epics wear around town. You could even do this type of thing for weapons as well. The idea behind doing it in tiers is so that there would be full sets available for every clases tier. Im pretty sure that this could benefit everyone in the game and could you imagine the look of suprise and glee on a players face as he looted one of the recipes which by the way could be a rare drop. Also each different classes schematic would produce different looking armor.</P> <P>This is something I have just spent the past few hours at work mulling over and I hope that you might take the time to mull over it yourself or at least throw the idea at the guys in the fishbowl so they can ponder over it.</P>

[Rijacki]

<blockquote><hr>Pheebau wrote:<div></div><blockquote><hr>Rijacki wrote:<div><blockquote><hr>Pheebau wrote:Would love to have a /showchest option when wearing a GI at least - being a bruiser I find most of the GI looks besides 50 more geared towards monks - I think they fits better monks than bruisers...<font color="#ffff00">at least make the /showchest toggle available</font>...Thanks. <div></div><hr></blockquote>And how would that display on a female character?</div><hr></blockquote>Hence why I had suggested a toggle - you get a choice (see yellow above) - and don't female toons have Bra's? if not then that should be addressed - I recall seeing bra's on Iksar females at least...<div></div><p>Message Edited by Pheebau on <span class="date_text">04-25-2006</span> <span class="time_text">04:01 PM</span></p><hr></blockquote>The "bras" you saw are the armor piece which has been deemed no suitable for a player armor (since it doesn't display properly on all modems and doesn't "scale" with graphic settings. If you have /showchest, what would stop a player with a female character from using it.  If they used it, what would it display? the "naked" shirt?  <div></div>

[Raxe Sla]

<P>"Adding them only for brawlers would be a bit unfair to other classes."</P> <P> </P> <P>Oh you mean like in t5 when nagalik dropped brawler only gear? And no gear existed for any other class like this... lol</P>

[Pheeb]

<blockquote><hr>Rijacki wrote:<blockquote><hr>Pheebau wrote:<div></div><blockquote><hr>Rijacki wrote:<div><blockquote><hr>Pheebau wrote:Would love to have a /showchest option when wearing a GI at least - being a bruiser I find most of the GI looks besides 50 more geared towards monks - I think they fits better monks than bruisers...<font color="#ffff00">at least make the /showchest toggle available</font>...Thanks. <div></div><hr></blockquote>And how would that display on a female character?</div><hr></blockquote>Hence why I had suggested a toggle - you get a choice (see yellow above) - and don't female toons have Bra's? if not then that should be addressed - I recall seeing bra's on Iksar females at least...<div></div><p>Message Edited by Pheebau on <span class="date_text">04-25-2006</span> <span class="time_text">04:01 PM</span></p><hr></blockquote>The "bras" you saw are the armor piece which has been deemed no suitable for a player armor (since it doesn't display properly on all modems and doesn't "scale" with graphic settings. <font color="#ff0000"> If you have /showchest, what would stop a player with a female character from using it.  If they used it, what would it display? the "naked" shirt?</font>  <div></div><hr></blockquote>I'm not sure what would stop a female to use a /showchest - I mean when you start a bruiser on the isle of refuge, we get a GI which exposes the chest - at least for a male, so what is it for a female and why couldn't we follow the same pattern? I have no idea how a female bruiser chest look with the level 1 GI on the isle of refuge?<div></div>

[Gaige]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Raxe Slade wrote:<BR> <P>Oh you mean like in t5 when nagalik dropped brawler only gear? And no gear existed for any other class like this... lol</P> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE>Lord Nagalik also dropped weapons and a tower shield.  Not just woven vulcanized armor.  Thanks for playing!~<BR>

[Nyk]

Actually.... we already have a common graphic that could be reused bit a bit of retinting for a a cloth armor that might satisfy the monk/brusier need (I have both and would love as well) for cloth armor.The male/female tradesman clothing that is bought of city status vendors.The looks would be nice either way, and with some AGI/INT, could be made desireable to casters, who want a less robbed look. It would  be good for such players, yet remind fair, in that it's not class-specific. <div></div>

[Uth]

<DIV>/showchest would be a nice option for us brawlers, as we still got the stats and mitigation, but look way nice as some crappy leather bp. <img src="/smilies/8a80c6485cd926be453217d59a84a888.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /></DIV>

[Terron]

<blockquote><hr>Moorgard wrote:<div></div><p>There are no class-specific crafted armors. Adding them only for brawlers would be a bit unfair to other classes.</p><hr></blockquote> There are no actual craft specific armours,  but for cloth there are a variety of player crafted armours at T2 and T3 at least with different bonuses suitable for different classes, so in effect there are. Adding a second type of leather armour, which happen to look like GIs, have bonuses more suitable to fighters than druids, but which can be worn by all the classes that can now wear leather armour should not cause a problem. There are already some plate wearers who would like extra choices of plate (an SK complained about it in the guardian fourm recently), but armoursmiths do not have an abundance of recipes either. If you continue with making even rare crafted armour worse than some common drops, few people will be wearing it anyway so it won't be too common, though I do not think that is the right policy. Certainly hand crafted stuff would not be commonly worn. My tailor would like the extra recipes. My fury would like some more good looking clothes to choose from (when she wants to look her best she wears T1 pants). I do understand that the work involved in adding extra patterns is considerable., and that thus there may well be other things better doing first.<div></div>

[Terron]

I am not certain about /showchest, but I would like /showhands. <div></div>

[LordPazuzu]

Thank you.  I'm tired of my monk looking like she's wearing a druid's pajamas with the crafted armor sets.

[WeatherMan]

<blockquote><hr>Pheebau wrote:<blockquote><hr>Rijacki wrote:<blockquote><hr>Pheebau wrote:<div></div><blockquote><hr>Rijacki wrote:<div><blockquote><hr>Pheebau wrote:Would love to have a /showchest option when wearing a GI at least - being a bruiser I find most of the GI looks besides 50 more geared towards monks - I think they fits better monks than bruisers...<font color="#ffff00">at least make the /showchest toggle available</font>...Thanks. <div></div><hr></blockquote>And how would that display on a female character?</div><hr></blockquote>Hence why I had suggested a toggle - you get a choice (see yellow above) - and don't female toons have Bra's? if not then that should be addressed - I recall seeing bra's on Iksar females at least...<div></div><p>Message Edited by Pheebau on <span class="date_text">04-25-2006</span> <span class="time_text">04:01 PM</span></p><hr></blockquote>The "bras" you saw are the armor piece which has been deemed no suitable for a player armor (since it doesn't display properly on all modems and doesn't "scale" with graphic settings. <font color="#ff0000"> If you have /showchest, what would stop a player with a female character from using it.  If they used it, what would it display? the "naked" shirt?</font>  <div></div><hr></blockquote>I'm not sure what would stop a female to use a /showchest - I mean when you start a bruiser on the isle of refuge, we get a GI which exposes the chest - at least for a male, so what is it for a female and why couldn't we follow the same pattern? I have no idea how a female bruiser chest look with the level 1 GI on the isle of refuge?<div></div><hr></blockquote>The IoR brawler harnesses have a distinct look depending on city...where a monk gets white, a bruiser gets sort of an off-brown shade with a bit of a mttled pattern, but the cuts are similar.  When a monk upgrades at level 14 from the quest in the Caves, the look does not change, only the stats and so forth (providing they choose the appropriate garment as a reward).  This <i>used</i> to be where one could obtain "Blissful Awareness" (the garment that had level 60's popping into the Caves to do the quest, specifically to obtain this armor piece), before some puritanical zealot decided to jack the player base by removing an armor piece that had 'broken graphics'.  Yeah, right....the dog ate my homework, too. Female monks in EQ1 had a leather cheststrap/chestband....as you obtained the appropriate gear, a little less was shown each time, until you had the chestband (which also highlighted a monk's tattoo on the torso), some oddly denim-appearing trousers, and shoulder pieces that made that unsightly white sleeve that all female humans defaulted to go away.  The outfit looked like something that would indeed be worn by an individual who needed freedom of movement in their fighting style....it was flattering, yet modest at the same time.  I'm not stupid enough to believe there will ever be garments that are appealing the way this one was (or the way Blissful Awareness was), but it was one of the things that defined monks in Qeynos and Freeport. As an aside....in the Ruins (Shoreside), it is possible to obtain a 'Lonetusk Gi" (as a drop).  Do yourself a favor....send in a non-brawler at the upper level for the zone, turn off combat xp, and have at the Lonetusks (it is not as easy as it sounds - a duo or even a group may be necessary).  If you get the gi, mail it to your brawler (or use a shared-bank slot).  Also a great way to finish the Orc Lore book and obtain Orc Smuggler Requisitions. And it actually looks like a gi.  And the stats aren't all that bad, either.<div></div>