The way Consider works. (Con)

[Geekyone]

<div>If something Cons white to you, does that mean you should be able to beat it nekkid with all App 1's?</div><div> </div><div>Or does that mean you should be able to beat it with just statless gear bought off the vendors and just App 1's</div><div> </div><div>Or does that mean you should be able to beat it with somewhat ok gear and Adept 1's?</div><div> </div><div>It should be number 1...because when you get off the boat, you are nekkid with only app1's and stuff cons white to you, and you can defeat it.</div><div> </div><div>Later in the game, go find a white, get nekkid and use only App1's and see if you win.</div><div> </div><div> </div><div> </div><div>I think if it cons white to you, you should be able to beat it nekkid with just app1s.</div><div> </div><div>Thats what gets my panties in a twist.  We have this awsome magical armor and great upgrades to spells yet we can take down an orange heroic?</div><div> </div><div>I don't have great gear, but I have good gear for me and they all have stat bonuses, why can't I do an orange ^, if I should be able to do an even con nekkid?</div><div> </div><div>I might be wrong, maybe stuff doesn't really evenly con to us...but it con's to us properly only if we have alot of bonus stats?</div>

[Magu]

You can't equate the island to the rest of the game.You conveniently left out what class you are. Some classes solo better then others.As a Conjuror, I could easily take out a white con with all app1s and no gear.As for orange mobs, they should NOT be easy - they're orange, meaning at least 5 levels over you.<div></div>

[Y]

<div><span><blockquote><hr>Geekyone wrote:<div>If something Cons white to you, does that mean you should be able to beat it nekkid with all App 1's?</div>(snip)<hr></blockquote>No, it simply means that it has the same level as you. The other designations (Heroic, Epic, arrows up and down) are meant to give you information on the relative difficulty.</span></div>

[xsvhrs]

<hr width="100%" size="2">We have this awsome magical armor and great upgrades to spells yet we can take down an orange heroic?<hr width="100%" size="2">HEROIC - means you're supposed to fight it with a group.SOLO- means you're supposed to fight it by yourself.There are exceptions, but that's the general rule to go by.  You will be white con mobs that are both. Heroic mobs, even if they are green, you will have a very difficult time defeating by yourself.<div></div>

[ke'la]

<div></div><p>White Con meens it is suposed to be a challange for the AVERAGE PLAYER, on the isle the average lvl 1 player is someone with 3 pieces or so of armor, either 2 Duel Wield, 1 2handed or 1 1handed and 1 Shield, and possably a bow, a few arrows and some poisions(all of npc vendor quality) and app1 spells</p><p>By the time you leave the isle the average player has a Full suit of armor(simple quest quality) maybe an adept 1 spell or 2, Maybe some nice droped weopons and a couple pieces of Jewery.</p><p>by lvl20ish the average player is consited to be in Treasured Player Made Geir with App4 spells, and from this point forward this is what the game consiters white con.</p>

[Tolil]

<p>I havent tried this for a while, but try to /con a player - last time I did it they con'd in the same way a mob with a v would, ie - you sense this creature is slightly weaker than they appear, or whatever it says.</p><p>So hypothetically if you want an even fight, then fight white mobs with a down arrow.</p>

[Bluefire7]

<span><blockquote><hr>Geekyone wrote:<div>If something Cons white to you, does that mean you should be able to beat it nekkid with all App 1's?</div><div> </div><div>Or does that mean you should be able to beat it with just statless gear bought off the vendors and just App 1's</div><div> </div><div>Or does that mean you should be able to beat it with somewhat ok gear and Adept 1's?</div><div> </div><div>It should be number 1...because when you get off the boat, you are nekkid with only app1's and stuff cons white to you, and you can defeat it.</div><div> </div><div>Later in the game, go find a white, get nekkid and use only App1's and see if you win.</div><div> </div><div> </div><div> </div><div>I think if it cons white to you, you should be able to beat it nekkid with just app1s.</div><div> </div><div>Thats what gets my panties in a twist.  We have this awsome magical armor and great upgrades to spells yet we can take down an orange heroic?</div><div> </div><div>I don't have great gear, but I have good gear for me and they all have stat bonuses, why can't I do an orange ^, if I should be able to do an even con nekkid?</div><div> </div><div>I might be wrong, maybe stuff doesn't really evenly con to us...but it con's to us properly only if we have alot of bonus stats?</div><hr></blockquote>we used to be able to kill a orange 1up..... but after Desert of flames hit orange and red mobs got the ability to ignore most of your mitigation and resists parry evade rate on those mobs were raised alot...... personaly I think that was one of the dumbest things that has happened to eq2 since its been live.... It was really fun geting super geared up and killing a Low red mob, even if it was a solo mob and took abit.</span><div></div>

[Rijacki]

NOTHING is balanced for nekkid app1.  That would make every encounter trivially easy if you even had complete crap gear.  Since most people -do- care about improving their characters to the fullest in whatever ways they can, if the game was balance for App1 nekkid, it would mean the vast majority of player would be (as in pre-LU#13 for many) completely and utterly bored.At one time, the balance was for AppIV & handcrafted since you can easily obtain those.  Now I think it is more treasured and adept 1 since they have become so easy to obtain.  I'm not sure, though, what the balance point is (and no, it is -not- multiple masters with full fabled, that's ludicrous in the other extreeme).<div></div>

[Beghard]

LOL wow, this is great.........how does the con system work?......Go back to the island, or better yet, read the user manual.White/even = should be beatable with treasured geareverything else = you were stupid to ask the first time so if you dont have it figured out by now then run a magnent over your hard drive a few times.<div></div>

[Rijacki]

Actually it's simple.  Neither your gear nor your class are assessed.  But, the encounters are "tuned" expecting a certain quality of gear, spell/CA upgrades, & number of people depending on the encounter typeWhite = same level as you. Green and Blue = lower level than you by a specific number of levels (can't remember the range)Yellow = higher than your level by a specific range (4 levels?) with the encounter tuned so that it is more resistant to youOrange = higher than yello (another 4 levels?) with the encounter tuned so it is very resistant to youRed = not intended for you to have much chance of hitting it since it is significantly higher level than you (and is also why some grey encounters can't hardly hit you, you're red to them)VVV = same level as you, but weaker in it's abilities (that might be a equivalent of app1s and nekkid)VV & V = a little bit better but still not weaker than a "standard"no arrows = designed to be tough (but not hugely challenging) for most soloers with "standard" gear (standard being treasured, I think, with adept 1s since those really are easy to obtain for all players)^ = challenging for most soloers with standard gear, but only tough for a duo with standard gear^^ = challenging for a duo with only standard gear, but tough for a group with standard gear^^^ = challenging for a group with standard gear^^^^ x# = tough to challenging for a raid of the # of groups<div></div>

[Calthine]

<div></div><blockquote><hr>Rijacki wrote:no arrows = designed to be tough (but not hugely challenging) for most soloers with "standard" gear (standard being treasured, I think, with adept 1s since those really are easy to obtain for all players)<div></div><hr></blockquote>It's been stated somewhere by someone (I think it was Moorgard) that "standard" equipment is Handcrafted gear and App4's. 

[Rijacki]

<div><span><blockquote><hr>Calthine wrote:<div></div><blockquote><hr>Rijacki wrote:no arrows = designed to be tough (but not hugely challenging) for most soloers with "standard" gear (standard being treasured, I think, with adept 1s since those really are easy to obtain for all players)<div></div><hr></blockquote>It's been stated somewhere by someone (I think it was Moorgard) that "standard" equipment is Handcrafted gear and App4's. <hr></blockquote>The standard point got changed after LU#13... it wasn't really an announced, but it was (and it was even a topic slightly touched on this weekend).</span></div>

[Solaran_X]

<div></div><blockquote><p></p><hr>Rijacki wrote:<p>^^^^ x# = tough to challenging for a raid of the # of groups</p><hr></blockquote><p>There are no ^^^^ mobs in this game. Just ^^^, ^^^ (x2), ^^^ (x3), and ^^^ (x4).</p><p>EQ2 needs an uber ^^^ (x12)...</p>

[Geekyone]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Beghard wrote:<BR><BR>everything else = you were stupid to ask the first time so if you dont have it figured out by now then run a magnent over your hard drive a few times.<BR> <BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE> <P><BR>Feel better about yourself now?<BR></P> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Beghard wrote:<BR><BR>White/even = should be beatable with treasured gear<BR><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE> <P><BR>Ok so a nekkid newbie on the island has what treasured gear?</P> <P>Why are people such jerks these days?  Must be the internet...</P> <P>Anyway, seeing as how you incorrectly interpreted my post, which is my fault, I didn't explain it well...I'll try again.</P> <P>White all thoughout the game means the mobs cons even to our level.  Level.  Not level with +500 hps +75 srt + 2000mitigation.  (or better, when you have good gear on)</P> <P>If a white is our level, just level, should we not be able to take them without any gear on and no updated spells?</P> <P>I think someone answered this already and I accept their answer, but thought I should spell it out for the kind young gentelman who thought it his duty to make himself feel better at my expense.</P>

[xsvhrs]

<hr size="2" width="100%">^ = challenging for most soloers with standard gear, but only tough for a duo with standard gear ^^ = challenging for a duo with only standard gear, but tough for a group with standard gear ^^^ = challenging for a group with standard gear ^^^^ x# = tough to challenging for a raid of the # of groups <hr size="2" width="100%"> This is also slightly misleading, because there are SOLO mobs with ^, and ^^ (I've never seen a solo mob with ^^^), and then there are HEROIC mobs with ^, ^^, ^^. For that matter, there are some HEROIC mobs that have down arrows as well. This means that just because you see a blue con mob with a ^, doesn't mean you'll be able to solo him. You'll need to find out if it's HEROIC or SOLO. Also, some people seem to get confused with the term SOLO. SOLO does not mean there are only one of the mob. It means that the mob was designed to be fought by an adventurer without a group. <div></div>

[Yodaya]

<P>I don't care what the definition means, but white con solo mobs should be beatable only by a player with at least App IV spells and a full set of handcrafted gear. Yellow mobs should require more than that (i.e. Adept I and treasured gear), and orange should be impossible with Adept I and treasured gear and should be very hard even with Adept III/Master and Legendary/Fabled gear. Red con should not be possible to solo.</P>