Are pets going to be fixed?

[Rutabegah]

<div></div><div> </div><p>Message Edited by Rutabegah on <span class="date_text">04-05-2006</span><span class="time_text">07:45 PM</span></p>

[Rutabegah]

<div></div>And as a side note, I've been standing at the nek forest dock at the far end.  A blue necro zoned in and sent pet on me.  I wasn't interested or ready to fight so I decided to run.  Bam, I'm in combat mode because I pressed sprint.  I've got my camera turned around to look behind me and watch his actions.  His pet is still right behind me {pretty fast}.  I'm off the docks, I'm on the sand, over the hilll, on the path and near the end of the path into nek before the pet finally breaks off.  At that very moment I'm out of combat mode.To sum up, I did nothing and got stuck in combat mode and had to sprint from the end of the dock to nearly the end of the nek path before leaving combat mode.

[SpryYoungE]

<div></div><div>The 'wizard' you were fighting must have been a warlock. They get a temporary nightblood pet in their high levels.</div><div> </div><div>On a side note, if a pet is sicced on you, if you just stealth or invis it will go back to its owner. This includes swarm pets.</div><p>Message Edited by SpryYoungElf on <span class="date_text">04-05-2006</span><span class="time_text">01:34 PM</span></p>

[Rutabegah]

<div></div>I'm pretty sure it was a wizard, but I guess I could be mistaken.  Now, what healer can stealth or invis when in combat mode?

[KBern]

<div></div><p>Pets are not broken so there is nothing to fix.</p>

[Magu]

<div><span><blockquote><hr>Rutabegah wrote:<div></div>I'm pretty sure it was a wizard, but I guess I could be mistaken.  Now, what healer can stealth or invis when in combat mode?<hr></blockquote>You are mistaken. Wizards get a little fire thing, Warlocks get the Nightblood.</span></div>

[Terabethia]

<div></div><font color="#33ccff">No offence, but isn't getting killed by a more powerful character the risk that you take playing on a PVP server? What is the point of it otherwise? To me, it sounds like it is working as intended...</font>

[Fayline Fyrecat]

<div></div><div></div><div></div><p>I think this thread belongs more in the PVP forum than testing, but anyway....</p><p>The only bug I see in the OP's description is the fact that he was able to not be pulled into combat mode on the wizards initial attacks.  Using the benefit of food/drink while waiting for the wizard to go OOP before retaliating seems borderline exploit IMO.  The bug is not with pets, but the fact that hostile action doesn't automatically pull the target into combat mode. </p><p>The part about him ATTACKING the green shadowknight... how on earth does he attack the SK and not be in combat mode - then go on to complain that a pet put him into combat mode when he initiated the attack?!?  That has got to be a bug if that's the case, and something it seems he uses to his advantage on a regular basis. </p><p>It's PVP - everyone's a target, everywhere.  If you're not prepared to enter combat at any moment, you might as well stay in your inn room.</p><p>EDIT:  From reading in PVP forums, apparently heals get reduced in potency when in PvP combat.  So essentially, healers can heal themselves with the higher PvE amount until combat is initiated.  Just another reason that hostile action should pull the target into PvP combat mode.  I'm still at a loss for the SK thing... /boggle.</p><p>Message Edited by Fayline Fyrecat on <span class="date_text">04-05-2006</span><span class="time_text">01:06 PM</span></p><p>Message Edited by Fayline Fyrecat on <span class="date_text">04-05-2006</span><span class="time_text">01:21 PM</span></p>

[StixxliteAZ]

Rutabegah, You haven't Played a Fury Have You ????  It's real obvious, we dont need no stinking pets.<div></div>

[Rutabegah]

<div></div><div><blockquote><hr>StixxliteAZ wrote:Rutabegah, You haven't Played a Fury Have You ????  It's real obvious, we dont need no stinking pets.<div></div><hr>I never said that furies should get pets.. how'd you read that into my statements?To the people who think pets aren't broken, you are dead wrong.  Pets may not be broken for the person with the pet, but they sure are for the person on the other end of the attack.  Any joe blow with a pet can put you into combat mode . You may feel that it is an exploit for a healer to pve heal himself while the other party uses up all their power.  However, it is the only way we have a chance of winning against nearly every other class.  And since most FP are either necros, SK's or stealth.. we healers have to use any measure we can to succeed.  Take this ability away from the healer class and you will destroy the already low healer population on the pvp server.And the situation with the SK I was describing.  I land a couple of dots on a green FP class and he zones  {at the time I didn't know what class it was} .. I follow him across zone line, chase him down the TS dock and then he turns around and harm touches me for 1758.  I was just about to cast a regen on myself when he casts his pet causing me to go into combat mode.  Of course my heals then scale down and I'm dead within moments from all the stuns and interupts.</blockquote></div>

[Magu]

So you'd already hit him with a dot, which should've locked you into combat anyway, and you think this is broken?You're exploiting heals working better when not in combat when you ARE actually in combat.<div></div>

[Rutabegah]

<div></div>Did you not see the part where I said he zone and I followed?

[Rutabegah]

<div></div>Evidently not..Do you even play on a pvp server?  Everybody knows that pets and pet classes are borked.  This is why I asked in the live update notes "Are pets getting fixed?"

[Magu]

But they're not broken in this case - you WERE in combat with them, so trying to use non-combat heal levels is an exploit.You don't have a damage shield on, do you? That could be whats triggering combat instead of a pet <img src="/smilies/69934afc394145350659cd7add244ca9.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /><div></div>

[Rutabegah]

<div></div><p>When someone zones, combat mode and all negative buffs get turned off / cancelled.   I zoned after him and had to chase him down the dock.  He stops and harm touches before I do anything, I cast a heal on myself, and then he summons his skeleton pet.  {I haven't done any offensive action to him after entering the new zone}I'm no fool.  I never have my damage shield on, or any offensive proccing armor. </p><p>I do a lot of pvp and I can tell you for a fact that any time a pet gets send after you.. you WILL go into combat mode if you press any of your hotkeys.  Whether it be heals, or sprint, or anything.</p>

[Sarkoris]

<div></div><p>Sorry but I really don't see the problem here. You are  fighting someone and your in combat mode. Well good. Yes I know that your only chance of survival might be to use PvE heal levels, but if that is the case, I think the opponent should not be classed as in combat either and regen power at out of combat rates. Its PvP, its supposed to be brutal, unfair to some and basically deadly. Its why I could care less about it and glad I never have to deal with it.</p><p>I hate to say it but leave Jabborer alone. He quite likes the fact he forces you to fight back when your fighting.</p><p>Sark.</p>

[Rutabegah]

<div></div>Do you call it fighting when I'm running one direction and a necro is running the other direction targets me and sends pet? Do you call it fighting when someone is beating on me and choose to only heal myself?It should be all or nothing.  Either make EVERY class be able to put EVERY other class in combat.  Or make NO class be able to put NO other class in combat.

[Rutabegah]

<div>I just want an official response by someone in charge to these issues.1)  Are healers supposed to be able to pve heal and food/drink regen in all situations unless they initiate some hostile action?2)  Are pet users supposed to have the ability to void #1 above?</div>

[Sarkoris]

<div></div><blockquote><hr>Rutabegah wrote:<div></div>Do you call it fighting when I'm running one direction and a necro is running the other direction targets me and sends pet? Do you call it fighting when someone is beating on me and choose to only heal myself?It should be all or nothing.  Either make EVERY class be able to put EVERY other class in combat.  Or make NO class be able to put NO other class in combat.<hr></blockquote><p>1. Yes.</p><p>2. Yes.</p><p>With regards to point 1, its an innate ability of pet classes to be able to use a pet to initiate combat. Its commonly referred to as pet pulling. On a pvp server as far as thet is concerned your not a player your a mob. His master says pet kill. He does exactly that. And just like a mob it puts you in combat.</p><p>2. Yes. If I walk up to a mob, get hit then heal myself - I am in combat mode. So you are in the same boat.</p><p>But I do agree with you on the all or nothing. Anything that makes you go into combat mode should affect them as well. As per my previous comment on being clueless on pvp (my choice, I think its infantile), can you yell the encounter or do you have to escape via sprinting an d the agreesor bascially giving up the chase ?</p><p>Sark.</p>

[Rutabegah]

<div>I guess we'll just disagree then.  Hoewever, mobs cannot and have never put me in combat mode for healing myself.</div>

[KBern]

<div></div><p>Pets are not broken...templars and priests in general are not the best PvPers.</p><p>Live with it.</p>

[Zearo]

<div></div><p>To the OP: </p><p>Pets do put you into combat mode even if you do NOT do anything.  It has happened to me, when running to the griffins and cannot fly. </p><p>It is an unfair advantage for people that do not want to fight the necro/conj.  So yea please fix this SOE.</p><p> </p>

[Zearo]

<div></div><blockquote><hr>KBern wrote:<div></div><p>Pets are not broken...templars and priests in general are not the best PvPers.</p><p>Live with it.</p><hr></blockquote><p>The OP never said anything about him disliking his class in PvP or being gimped.  Where the [expletive haxx0red by Raijinn] did that come from?</p>

[Geakor]

<div>Taunts make people go in combat mode ? Don't pets taunt ? Just asking but I believe taunts from players or npcs will make you go into combat mode automatically so when they send the pet in and it taunts you you go in combat mode.</div>

[ke'la]

<div></div><p>Can I ask you another question?</p><p>Why are you playing a Healer class if you don't want to get attacked as being a healer paints a HUGE bullseye on your toon.</p><p>Second, casting a benifical spell while under attack SHOULD put you into combate mode just like casting a hostial spell does. (this for both pve and pvp).</p><p>Third, IMO if any class does anything benifcal while under attack(including Sprint) should go into combate mode, you would have to call for help to get away in non-combate Mode allowing the attacker to chase in non-combate mode. If you want to run without entering combate mode get yourself some runspeed buffs(horses, Tombs whatever)</p>

[KBern]

<div></div><div></div><blockquote><hr>cobalty2004 wrote:<div></div><blockquote><hr>KBern wrote:<div></div><p>Pets are not broken...templars and priests in general are not the best PvPers.</p><p>Live with it.</p><hr></blockquote><p>The OP never said anything about him disliking his class in PvP or being gimped.  Where the [expletive haxx0red by Raijinn] did that come from?</p><hr></blockquote><p>It came from his ignorant title of his thread and his gripe.  If you read from the start you can see where he is in error as many have pointed out to him.</p><p>Now my question to you is where did I say his class was gimped or he didnt like?  Where the [expletive haxx0red by Raijinn] did that come from? </p><p>I said priests are not the best PvP classes.  Are you going to argue with me on that? </p><p>I cannot stand when people who come on PvE part of the forum and make a enflaming and incorrect title to a post asking for changes based on PvP concerns.</p><p>If he has an issue with how he is affected on the PvP servers when engaging pet classes, he needs to post his concern there.</p><p> </p><p>Message Edited by KBern on <span class="date_text">04-06-2006</span><span class="time_text">12:55 PM</span></p>

[Rambling Diatri]

<div></div><p> The funniest part about his thread is the fact that any PC taking any hostile action on you immidiately puts you and themselves into combat mode. The only reason he hadn't previously noticed this is because he prolly wasn't getting attacked by any of the PC's as he stood by healing others.</p><p> Though on the bright side of things he has demonstrated a huge over site in the observation that healing someone involved in a PvP fight doesn't put you into combat mode. It should, and in fact it should be taken as a hostile action that in and of itself drops you into combat mode and flags you as an agressor.</p><p> </p><p> </p>

[Fayline Fyrecat]

<div></div><blockquote><hr>Rambling Diatribe wrote:<div></div><p> The funniest part about his thread is the fact that any PC taking any hostile action on you immidiately puts you and themselves into combat mode. The only reason he hadn't previously noticed this is because he prolly wasn't getting attacked by any of the PC's as he stood by healing others.</p><hr></blockquote><p>Not quite.  The now-edited-and-removed original post described the OP vs a wizard.  Rather than run, the OP did not retaliate when the wizard attacked and was thus able to stay in non-combat mode and heal himself while he waited for the wizard to run out of power.  So currently healers can stay non-combat unless they retaliate with hostile action.  Beneficial spells don't pull them into combat mode, nor does hostile action against them (save for being attacked by a pet).</p><p>What I think is truely funny: I think the only real bug brought up in the OP's post was the one he had been using to his own advantage :smileyvery-happy:</p>

[Rutabegah]

<div></div><p>It seems like we have a lot of people here who have never played on the pvp server making outlandish comments.Here are the facts:1)In pve, if a mob aggros you ... you can heal yourself all day and night and not go into combat mode.  {as long as you don't do any hostile action or proc}2)In pve, you will go into combat mode if you heal someone else who is aggrod by a mob.3)In pvp, you can heal yourself as long as you want and not go into combat mode.  {unless the other player sends a pet on you}4)In pvp, you will go into combat mode if you heal someone else who is being attacked by a player.There seems to be a lot of misconceptions here.  If you think that #1 and #3 are "bugs" that's your perrogative.  I don't see why healing my own wounds while someone is attacking me is considered a hostile action.  That's my own personal livelihood.  I can see why healing someone else is hostile because you are interfering with someone else at that point.</p>

[Sarkoris]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Rutabegah wrote:<BR> <P>It seems like we have a lot of people here who have never played on the pvp server making outlandish comments.<BR><BR>Here are the facts:<BR><BR>1)In pve, if a mob aggros you ... you can heal yourself all day and night and not go into combat mode.  {as long as you don't do any hostile action or proc}<BR>2)In pve, you will go into combat mode if you heal someone else who is aggrod by a mob.<BR>3)In pvp, you can heal yourself as long as you want and not go into combat mode.  {unless the other player sends a pet on you}<BR>4)In pvp, you will go into combat mode if you heal someone else who is being attacked by a player.<BR><BR>There seems to be a lot of misconceptions here.  If you think that #1 and #3 are "bugs" that's your perrogative.  I don't see why healing my own wounds while someone is attacking me is considered a hostile action.  That's my own personal livelihood.  I can see why healing someone else is hostile because you are interfering with someone else at that point.</P><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE> <P><BR>Simple. I am trying to kill you. Your healing yourself to prevent that from happening. I think that would make me pretty hostile. Just because it doesn't damage me doesn't mean I wouldn't find that hostile. By that reckoning, any non damaging act should not put you in combat mode. I could debuff you, snare you, taunt you etc but I haven't hurt you yet so why should I be in combat mode. The question noone has answered for me is if someone attacks you and you drop into combat mode, how do you get out of it. Is it like PvE and you yell ? If so, in the OP example, the necro attacks him with his pet, he drops into combat mode. Can he just yell and run, or is he stuck ? What irks me in the OP is that he said that he wanted stand there in non combat mode, regening power and hp at non combat rates healing himself at pve rates while waiting for the wizard to go oom. Does this then mean he intended to attack the oop wizard. To me this smacks of double standards. He wants it both ways. But if just intends to walk away as the wizard is no longer a threat that holds some merit. But to me its a simple error in the logic. Someone says its unfair that the pet puts you in combat mode even if you don't want to fight the necro etc. Isn't that the whole point. If any ONE player wants to fight, the other is either forced to defend himself or flee. You can't just say, I don't want to fight him so he shoulddn't be allowed to force me into combat. If you want that, come back to PvE and try duelling.</P> <P> </P> <P>Sark.</P>