Why Does SOE charge for Face changes??? [Archive]

Dasein

04-01-2006, 11:44 PM

<div></div><p></p><hr>Wow...people are actually complaining about them charging 1g? In most games I have encountered once you set your appearance it is set permanently. I think it's awesome that SOE has given us this option. If this option was ever introduced, I expected there would be a charge, and am actually surprised it ONLY costs 1g. It takes away from the realism o f the game if people are changing their appearance every few days - and with no charge, they could. Designing the appearance of your character should be an important decision, just like the selection of achievements, imho.<hr>If I don't shave for a few days, my appearance changes. There are many styles of facial hair I can achieve in a few days. Hairstyles can be changed on a whim - going from braided to not braided or putting my hair back in a pony tail takes seconds.

Maroger

04-02-2006, 12:25 AM

<div></div><div></div><blockquote><hr>Ariellia wrote:<div></div>Wow...people are actually complaining about them charging 1g? In most games I have encountered once you set your appearance it is set permanently. I think it's awesome that SOE has given us this option. If this option was ever introduced, I expected there would be a charge, and am actually surprised it ONLY costs 1g. It takes away from the realism o f the game if people are changing their appearance every few days - and with no charge, they could. Designing the appearance of your character should be an important decision, just like the selection of achievements, imho.<hr></blockquote><p>EQ1 set the standard for SOE - they did not charge and there was no tom-foolery about going to a barber to make it plausible to charge.</p><p>If EQ1 could let players do it free why can't EQ2???</p><p>Skip the barber and other cute stuff and just make it an option to CHANGE APPEARANCE when you log on!!</p><p>Message Edited by Maroger on <span class="date_text">04-01-2006</span><span class="time_text">02:26 PM</span></p>

Deson

04-02-2006, 12:37 AM

Eq1 also had rampant inflation due to there being no real money sinks in the game. All the money sinks in EQ2 are supposed to help control an econmy that has no natural limiters.<div></div>

Calthine

04-02-2006, 12:42 AM

Maroger

04-02-2006, 12:45 AM

<div></div><div></div><div></div><div></div><blockquote><hr>Deson wrote:Eq1 also had rampant inflation due to there being no real money sinks in the game. All the money sinks in EQ2 are supposed to help control an econmy that has no natural limiters.<div></div><hr></blockquote><p>I am sorry I think it is wrong to charge. I almost think it is unethical!!</p><p>They have enough money sinks in this game -- horses and houses etc -- much bigger money sinks than EQ1.</p><p>I don't think money sinks control inflation in the economy -- they just make people angry and encourage people to go and buys gold for stuff they want. I think developers have no idea what motivates players to acquire things or how to control inflation as I don't believe they understand the economics involved in MMO - they somehow think it works like the real world or ECON 101.</p><blockquote><hr>Calthine wrote:<div></div>And this isn't EQ1 <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /><hr></blockquote><p>If these folks can take ideas from WoW they can take them from EQ1 too.</p><p>Money sinks end up defeating the purpose for which they are put in!! They cause inflation and merely increase the flow of money in the game.!!</p><p> </p><p>Message Edited by Maroger on <span class="date_text">04-01-2006</span><span class="time_text">02:48 PM</span></p>

Deson

04-02-2006, 12:50 AM

With the exception of the broker, none of the money sinks in this game are significant. If a charge of one gold makes you want to buy plat.....I've no words for you. Besides, if you are the type inclined to buy plat the exchange servers already exist.Money sinks are a neccessity even in real life it's just that in real life you are more inclined to accept it(if you even notice it). Also,real life has strict controls on how much money is out on the market, EQ2 doesnt have that.<div></div>

Deson

04-02-2006, 12:52 AM

<span><blockquote><hr>Maroger wrote:<div></div><div></div><div></div><div></div>.....<p>Money sinks end up defeating the purpose for which they are put in!! They cause inflation and merely increase the flow of money in the game.!!</p><p> </p><p>Message Edited by Maroger on <span class="date_text">04-01-2006</span><span class="time_text">02:48 PM</span></p><hr></blockquote>Explain please.This makes no sense to me.</span><div></div>

Grace37

04-02-2006, 12:56 AM

<div></div><p>Think of it this way your paying the barber to redo your hairdo and touch up your make-up </p><p>cheep price for a total make over..</p><p> </p><p>New hair 50 silver</p><p>new make-up 50 silver</p><p>The confidence that you look fresh and beautiful...........ohh about 1 gold</p><p>bet you thought i was going to say Priceless huh lol</p><p> </p><p>Love Love and Puppy chow</p><p>Georga Grace</p><p>Conjurer</p><p>Lucan server</p>

Lings

04-02-2006, 01:18 AM

<div></div><div></div><blockquote><hr>sparql wrote:Because it is a money sink. Once you hit level 20, 1gp is a trivial amount of money.<div></div><hr></blockquote><p>Well... after a certain point... 1 gp is trivial, however most 'noobs' that I've met at that level didn't even have that much, I wouldn't say trivial at level 20, I actually had enough coin to consider 1 gp 'trivial' by level 30 on my first character... Second one it was about 25. As for the guy who said that money sinks defeat the purpose and put more money in the game... How?... How does giving money to an NPC (which theoretically removes it...) create MORE?</p><p>edit: that was my first and second adventurers i was talking about. By TSs you would be making more money.... And anyone who is good enough to get a profit... shouldn't really see 1 gold as a significant issue</p><span class="time_text"><p></p><hr><p><span>EQ1 set the standard for SOE - they did not charge and there was no tom-foolery about going to a barber to make it plausible to charge.</span></p><p><span>If EQ1 could let players do it free why can't EQ2???</span></p><p><span>Skip the barber and other cute stuff and just make it an option to CHANGE APPEARANCE when you log on!!</span><span></p><p></p><hr><p>:smileysurprised:.... I thought you were being sarcastic there for a moment... But, that would make no sense... We aren't shapeshifters... it would ruin the emulsion of the game.</p><p></p><hr></span><p><span>I am sorry I think it is wrong to charge. I almost think it is unethical!!</span></p><p><span><font color="#0000ff">If you think it's unethical to charge for a haircut... then you're in the wrong place. You should be complaining at a real barber shop, not the message boards for a game.</font></span></p><p><span>They have enough money sinks in this game -- horses and houses etc -- much bigger money sinks than EQ1.</span></p><p></p><hr>Well, you can choose a normal house, you can get the carpet quest carpet, you can choose not to pay 1gp (you're really cheap if you can't spare that much...) for a haircut. Or, you can buy the big house to put all your crap in and pay 20 plat for a Nightmare/Mistrunner (if you have a level 40 guild) or whatever. you have the option not to, if you really want to change your looks that bad, then come up with the one gold</span><p>Message Edited by Lingsch on <span class="date_text">04-01-2006</span><span class="time_text">12:32 PM</span></p><p>Message Edited by Lingsch on <span class="date_text">04-01-2006</span><span class="time_text">12:32 PM</span></p>

Meleania

04-02-2006, 01:30 AM

Be happy they arent charging REAL money <img src="/smilies/69934afc394145350659cd7add244ca9.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /><div></div>

Maroger

04-02-2006, 02:14 AM

<div></div><blockquote><hr>Deson wrote:<span><blockquote><hr>Maroger wrote:<div></div><div></div><div></div><div></div>.....<p>Money sinks end up defeating the purpose for which they are put in!! They cause inflation and merely increase the flow of money in the game.!!</p><p> </p><p>Message Edited by Maroger on <span class="date_text">04-01-2006</span><span class="time_text">02:48 PM</span></p><hr></blockquote>Explain please.This makes no sense to me.</span><div></div><hr></blockquote><p>Unless you are some kid whose parents are paying from he/she/it to play -- you are probably and adult with disposable income. If you didn't have disposable income you wouldn't be playing.</p><p>First remember money is fungible</p><p>If you are an adult with disposable income and you want something for your toon and you aren't a high enough level to have acquire the requisite cash you will simply go and buy gold. Thereby putting more money into the game than would normally be the case.</p><p>Efforts to create money sinks merely encourage those with a sufficient amount of disposable income to buy the gold to get what they want. That is human nature and I doubt that most who do it consider it cheating. SOE is trying to artificially take your money and make it harder for your to get what you want and you aren't going to let them. Rather like dealing with the IRS. Money is never really finite in these games.</p><p>That is why money sinks in the long run don't really work.</p>

Maroger

04-02-2006, 02:18 AM

<div></div><blockquote><hr>Lingsch wrote:<div></div><div></div><blockquote><hr>sparql wrote:Because it is a money sink. Once you hit level 20, 1gp is a trivial amount of money.<div></div><hr></blockquote><p>Well... after a certain point... 1 gp is trivial, however most 'noobs' that I've met at that level didn't even have that much, I wouldn't say trivial at level 20, I actually had enough coin to consider 1 gp 'trivial' by level 30 on my first character... Second one it was about 25. As for the guy who said that money sinks defeat the purpose and put more money in the game... How?... How does giving money to an NPC (which theoretically removes it...) create MORE?</p><p>edit: that was my first and second adventurers i was talking about. By TSs you would be making more money.... And anyone who is good enough to get a profit... shouldn't really see 1 gold as a significant issue</p><span class="time_text"><p></p><hr><p><span>EQ1 set the standard for SOE - they did not charge and there was no tom-foolery about going to a barber to make it plausible to charge.</span></p><p><span>If EQ1 could let players do it free why can't EQ2???</span></p><p><span>Skip the barber and other cute stuff and just make it an option to CHANGE APPEARANCE when you log on!!</span><span></p><p></p><hr><p>:smileysurprised:.... I thought you were being sarcastic there for a moment... But, that would make no sense... We aren't shapeshifters... it would ruin the emulsion of the game.</p><p></p><hr></span><p><span>I am sorry I think it is wrong to charge. I almost think it is unethical!!</span></p><p><span><font color="#0000ff">If you think it's unethical to charge for a haircut... then you're in the wrong place. You should be complaining at a real barber shop, not the message boards for a game.</font></span></p><p><span>They have enough money sinks in this game -- horses and houses etc -- much bigger money sinks than EQ1.</span></p><p></p><hr>Well, you can choose a normal house, you can get the carpet quest carpet, you can choose not to pay 1gp (you're really cheap if you can't spare that much...) for a haircut. Or, you can buy the big house to put all your crap in and pay 20 plat for a Nightmare/Mistrunner (if you have a level 40 guild) or whatever. you have the option not to, if you really want to change your looks that bad, then come up with the one gold</span><p>Message Edited by Lingsch on <span class="date_text">04-01-2006</span><span class="time_text">12:32 PM</span></p><p>Message Edited by Lingsch on <span class="date_text">04-01-2006</span><span class="time_text">12:32 PM</span></p><hr></blockquote><p>Not everyone is into role-playing or cares about whether something fits in wtih roleplaying or game immersion. Changing your face is one of those things -- I mean if they let you do it for free once they know how to do it for free again. The barber is just a nuisance -- you have to waste time going there.</p><p>Personally I have never like most of the faces in EQ2 -- I thought the ones in EQ1 were a lot better -- especially the Dark Elves.</p><p> </p><p> </p><p> </p>

Finora

04-02-2006, 02:19 AM

<div></div><div></div><div>EQ2 barber vs EQ1 /face</div><div> </div><div>EQ2 - by design to be available permanently.</div><div> </div><div>EQ1 /face - was originally only supposed to be available for a short time after Luclin models were introduced. People protested, SOE relented and just left it in.</div><div> </div><div> </div><div>I'm glad they are putting it in. I can't understand how people can say it breaks the immersion of the game for player characters to get a new hair style, I know people in the real world that have a new hair style/color every week.</div><div> </div><div>I doubt I'll ever use it for my main (I LOOOVE how she looks) but some of my alts could use a new do. And this mechanic will make it easier for SOE to add new looks for player characters at some point in time. People won't have a reason to whine "YOU ADDED NEW LOOKS! I don't want to re-roll to be able to use the new looks!"</div><p>Message Edited by Calendri on <span class="date_text">04-01-2006</span><span class="time_text">04:24 PM</span></p>

Meeker

04-02-2006, 02:23 AM

<div></div><blockquote><hr>Deson wrote:<span><blockquote><hr>Maroger wrote:<div></div><div></div><div></div><div></div>.....<p>Money sinks end up defeating the purpose for which they are put in!! They cause inflation and merely increase the flow of money in the game.!!</p><p> </p><p>Message Edited by Maroger on <span class="date_text">04-01-2006</span><span class="time_text">02:48 PM</span></p><hr></blockquote>Explain please.This makes no sense to me.</span><div></div><hr></blockquote><p><font color="#00ccff">It makes no sense to the rest of us either. Mostly because it is factually untrue. </font></p><p><font color="#00ccff">Money sinks take money out of the economy. As one of the above posters stated the virtual economy doesn't really have any natural limits. In a real economy the number of hours a peson can work is limited by, at the very least, biology. Since our characters don't need to take time to eat, sleep, or eliminate those limits don't exist. Also, there are very few jobs in a real economy wherein you can kill stuff and have money drop off of their bodies. Without money sinks MUDflation takes over. EQ1 is a fantastic example of this. To summarize; money sinks are what keep us from having to pay 1000pp for a lvl 10 sword.</font></p>

Deson

04-02-2006, 02:33 AM

<span><blockquote><hr>Maroger wrote:<div></div><blockquote><hr>Deson wrote:<span><blockquote><hr>Maroger wrote:<div></div><div></div><div></div><div></div>.....<p>Money sinks end up defeating the purpose for which they are put in!! They cause inflation and merely increase the flow of money in the game.!!</p><p> </p><p>Message Edited by Maroger on <span class="date_text">04-01-2006</span><span class="time_text">02:48 PM</span></p><hr></blockquote>Explain please.This makes no sense to me.</span><div></div><hr></blockquote><p>Unless you are some kid whose parents are paying from he/she/it to play -- you are probably and adult with disposable income. If you didn't have disposable income you wouldn't be playing.</p><p>First remember money is fungible</p><p>If you are an adult with disposable income and you want something for your toon and you aren't a high enough level to have acquire the requisite cash you will simply go and buy gold. Thereby putting more money into the game than would normally be the case.</p><p>Efforts to create money sinks merely encourage those with a sufficient amount of disposable income to buy the gold to get what they want. That is human nature and I doubt that most who do it consider it cheating. SOE is trying to artificially take your money and make it harder for your to get what you want and you aren't going to let them. Rather like dealing with the IRS. Money is never really finite in these games.</p><p>That is why money sinks in the long run don't really work.</p><hr></blockquote>The people who buy plat are going to buy it with or without money sinks-look at EQ1. The system isn't designed around them. It's designed around guys like me who like being able to say I've earned every blessed thing I've ever touched.Money sinks work for us as it establishes relative value of the currency in game.</span><div></div>

Ildarus

04-02-2006, 02:42 AM

Bhagpuss

04-02-2006, 02:45 AM

I would be a lot more annoyed if they had put in free appearance changes, personally.The more that this kind of thing can be made to follow some in-game logic, rather than out-of-game UI trick, the better.Whether the price is currently appropriate is another matter, but 1 gold is a trivial sum for most players after 20th or so, and I would have thought it wasn't too much to ask for people to stick with their first appearance choice for that long.

Pon

04-02-2006, 02:55 AM

<div></div><blockquote><hr>Maroger wrote:<div></div><blockquote><hr>Deson wrote:<span><blockquote><hr>Maroger wrote:<div></div><div></div><div></div><div></div>.....<p>Money sinks end up defeating the purpose for which they are put in!! They cause inflation and merely increase the flow of money in the game.!!</p><p> </p><p>Message Edited by Maroger on <span class="date_text">04-01-2006</span><span class="time_text">02:48 PM</span></p><hr></blockquote>Explain please.This makes no sense to me.</span><div></div><hr></blockquote><p>Unless you are some kid whose parents are paying from he/she/it to play -- you are probably and adult with disposable income. If you didn't have disposable income you wouldn't be playing.</p><p>First remember money is fungible</p><p>If you are an adult with disposable income and you want something for your toon and you aren't a high enough level to have acquire the requisite cash you will simply go and buy gold. Thereby putting more money into the game than would normally be the case.</p><p>Efforts to create money sinks merely encourage those with a sufficient amount of disposable income to buy the gold to get what they want. That is human nature and I doubt that most who do it consider it cheating. SOE is trying to artificially take your money and make it harder for your to get what you want and you aren't going to let them. Rather like dealing with the IRS. Money is never really finite in these games.</p><p>That is why money sinks in the long run don't really work.</p><hr></blockquote>First, the money they are buying is already in the game. They are not buying the money directly from sony who then creates the money and sends it to them. Second, 1 gold is spare change to probably 95% of the population. personally I think they should charge more. Money sicks are a part of the game just like in real life. You want something your going to have to pay for it one way or another. And like someone else said, if charging you 1 gold makes you want to run out and buy a plat or two from a a botter or SE, then I feel sorry for you.

Delameko Stone

04-02-2006, 03:41 AM

Sigh... people always find a way to complain about something.

Meeker

04-02-2006, 03:43 AM

<div></div><blockquote><p></p><hr><p>Maroger wrote:</p><p>If you are an adult with disposable income and you want something for your toon and you aren't a high enough level to have acquire the requisite cash you will simply go and buy gold. Thereby putting more money into the game than would normally be the case.</p><p>Efforts to create money sinks merely encourage those with a sufficient amount of disposable income to buy the gold to get what they want. That is human nature and I doubt that most who do it consider it cheating. SOE is trying to artificially take your money and make it harder for your to get what you want and you aren't going to let them. Rather like dealing with the IRS. Money is never really finite in these games.</p><p>That is why money sinks in the long run don't really work.</p><hr></blockquote><p><font color="#00ccff">This is also untrue. </font></p><p><font color="#00ccff">Buying gold does not create money. Duping creates money. If a player buys gold on their server, where did the gold come from? Unless it was duped, it came from from another player who earned it through legitimate means. If the gold wasn't duped, it didn't just appear. It was on the server already and it changed hands. </font></p><p><font color="#00ccff">If you are an adult with disposable income and you want something for your toon and you aren't high enough level to have acquired the requisite cash <em>and you are the type of person who is williing to cheat </em>you will simply go and buy gold. </font><font color="#00ccff">However money sinks do not <em>cause </em>players to buy gold. Greed causes players to buy gold. Laziness causes players to buy gold. The desire to have more than the player is willing to work for causes players to buy gold. Money sinks cause players to spend gold. That's all.</font></p><p><font color="#00ccff">Those players who are willing to <em>cheat </em>and buy gold don't really require encouragement. They require real disposable income. This is sepreate from in game gold. No matter what the players who buy gold think they <em>are </em>cheating, unless they are buying and selling on an Exchange server. </font></p><p><font color="#00ccff">How is SOE trying to "artificially take your money"? There is no fee in Norrath that you <em>must </em>pay. Your toon can survive without a room. You can choose not to mend. You can never upgrade spells. Likewise you can choose never to change your toon's appearance. As you said, "money is never really finite in these games". That's why we need money sinks.</font></p><p><font color="#00ccff">Money sinks do work in the long run. They work quite well. What would happen if SOE removed all the money sinks? The total amount of money on the server would continually grow in a never-ending cycle, until the entire economy is devalued. It's called inflation.</font></p>

Solaran_X

04-02-2006, 04:24 AM

<div></div><blockquote><hr>Maroger wrote:<div></div><div></div><div></div><div></div><blockquote><hr>Deson wrote:Eq1 also had rampant inflation due to there being no real money sinks in the game. All the money sinks in EQ2 are supposed to help control an econmy that has no natural limiters.<div></div><hr></blockquote><p>I am sorry I think it is wrong to charge. I almost think it is unethical!!</p><p>They have enough money sinks in this game -- horses and houses etc -- much bigger money sinks than EQ1.</p><p>I don't think money sinks control inflation in the economy -- they just make people angry and encourage people to go and buys gold for stuff they want. I think developers have no idea what motivates players to acquire things or how to control inflation as I don't believe they understand the economics involved in MMO - they somehow think it works like the real world or ECON 101.</p><blockquote><hr>Calthine wrote:<div></div>And this isn't EQ1 <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /><hr></blockquote><p><strong>If these folks can take ideas from WoW they can take them from EQ1 too.</strong></p><p>Money sinks end up defeating the purpose for which they are put in!! They cause inflation and merely increase the flow of money in the game.!!</p><p> </p><p>Message Edited by Maroger on <span class="date_text">04-01-2006</span><span class="time_text">02:48 PM</span></p><hr></blockquote><p>And where do you think WoW got the majority of it's ideas?</p><p>Yep.</p><p>EQLive, or was you people are calling it - EQ1.</p>

joeygopher

04-02-2006, 04:29 AM

<div>More than happy to be able to pay for a makeover.</div><div> </div><div>In fact, while they're at it, how about some looks and hairstyles that you can get by spending your hard-earned status points on?</div>

NemaLVey

04-02-2006, 04:34 AM

<div></div><blockquote><hr>joeygopher wrote:<div>More than happy to be able to pay for a makeover.</div><div> </div><div>In fact, while they're at it, how about some looks and hairstyles that you can get by spending your hard-earned status points on?</div><hr></blockquote><font color="#cc99ff">OH nice idea!</font>

Meeker

04-02-2006, 04:56 AM

<div></div>Very nice idea!

Maroger

04-02-2006, 05:56 AM

<div></div><div></div><div></div><blockquote><hr>Meekerme wrote:<div></div><blockquote><p></p><hr><p>Maroger wrote:</p><p>If you are an adult with disposable income and you want something for your toon and you aren't a high enough level to have acquire the requisite cash you will simply go and buy gold. Thereby putting more money into the game than would normally be the case.</p><p>Efforts to create money sinks merely encourage those with a sufficient amount of disposable income to buy the gold to get what they want. That is human nature and I doubt that most who do it consider it cheating. SOE is trying to artificially take your money and make it harder for your to get what you want and you aren't going to let them. Rather like dealing with the IRS. Money is never really finite in these games.</p><p>That is why money sinks in the long run don't really work.</p><hr></blockquote><p><font color="#00ccff">This is also untrue. </font></p><p><font color="#00ccff">Buying gold does not create money. Duping creates money. If a player buys gold on their server, where did the gold come from? Unless it was duped, it came from from another player who earned it through legitimate means. If the gold wasn't duped, it didn't just appear. It was on the server already and it changed hands. </font></p><p><font color="#00ccff">If you are an adult with disposable income and you want something for your toon and you aren't high enough level to have acquired the requisite cash <em>and you are the type of person who is williing to cheat </em>you will simply go and buy gold. </font><font color="#00ccff">However money sinks do not <em>cause </em>players to buy gold. Greed causes players to buy gold. Laziness causes players to buy gold. The desire to have more than the player is willing to work for causes players to buy gold. Money sinks cause players to spend gold. That's all.</font></p><p><font color="#00ccff">Those players who are willing to <em>cheat </em>and buy gold don't really require encouragement. They require real disposable income. This is sepreate from in game gold. No matter what the players who buy gold think they <em>are </em>cheating, unless they are buying and selling on an Exchange server. </font></p><p><font color="#00ccff">How is SOE trying to "artificially take your money"? There is no fee in Norrath that you <em>must </em>pay. Your toon can survive without a room. You can choose not to mend. You can never upgrade spells. Likewise you can choose never to change your toon's appearance. As you said, "money is never really finite in these games". That's why we need money sinks.</font></p><p><font color="#00ccff">Money sinks do work in the long run. They work quite well. What would happen if SOE removed all the money sinks? The total amount of money on the server would continually grow in a never-ending cycle, until the entire economy is devalued. It's called inflation.</font></p><hr></blockquote><p>Actually what happens is that money suddenly floods the market which artificially drive up prices so yes buying gold does create more money. Money does not enter the game as quickly when a player earns it as when he buys it. It is sort of like a spending spree when you win the lottery. The game gets a quick infusion of cash that would not otherwise happen. Anytime money enters the market quickly prices go up.</p><p>So like I said Money sinks don't work - it is an illusion that they work -- a chimera believed by the naive.</p><p>SOE would like a tight money situation but that is an impossible idea -- the only way to achieve that is to remove game currency altogether.</p><p>As for accusing people who buy money of cheating -- don't be so busy minding other people's business. It is a small thing and this is only a game. I think sometime people lose sight of the fact that this is only a game. It happens in all games and companies are powerless to stop it -- hence all the gold/plat etc. selling sites who sell game money for every single MMO out there. I don't lose any sleep over people buying gold, you apparently do!!</p><p> </p><p>Message Edited by Maroger on <span class="date_text">04-01-2006</span><span class="time_text">08:04 PM</span></p>

ke'la

04-02-2006, 06:46 AM

<div></div><div>Ok as you want to go by SoE President then the game that SoE released just befor this one is SWG so I guess Presidents from that over write ones in EQ1. Sence thats the case they need to make the Look changing be done by a new TS like class, and you have to frist FIND a player of that class and then when you do, you must pay them what they want for the change. This wont be a Money Sink(wich with your flawed logic adds more money into the economy) as the money no is going Player to Player. Ofcourse now depending on demand the fee could be 1pp or more.</div><div> </div><div>As for the flawed Logic of money sinks adding money to the econimy:</div><div> </div><div>If 1pp per min per server is created out of thin air by the game, and money sinks take 20g per min per server, making the Net coin added to the server 80 gold per min per server. How will removing those sinks do anything but incress the coin added to the server every min? BTW the coin created on the server is a FIXED average and as such does not change based on a change in the sinks as the WAY coin is added to the game as NOTHING to do with sinks. Also note I said GAME not economy because if someone as 1,000pp that is Money in game even if they are not spending it right now(however they do effect the economy as they wont think twice about buying something for 10pp Raising the Prices for others)</div>

Felshades

04-02-2006, 07:27 AM

<div></div><span><blockquote><hr>Solaran_X wrote:<div></div><blockquote><hr>Maroger wrote:<div></div><div></div><div></div><div></div><blockquote><hr>Deson wrote:Eq1 also had rampant inflation due to there being no real money sinks in the game. All the money sinks in EQ2 are supposed to help control an econmy that has no natural limiters.<div></div><hr></blockquote><p>I am sorry I think it is wrong to charge. I almost think it is unethical!!</p><p>They have enough money sinks in this game -- horses and houses etc -- much bigger money sinks than EQ1.</p><p>I don't think money sinks control inflation in the economy -- they just make people angry and encourage people to go and buys gold for stuff they want. I think developers have no idea what motivates players to acquire things or how to control inflation as I don't believe they understand the economics involved in MMO - they somehow think it works like the real world or ECON 101.</p><blockquote><hr>Calthine wrote:<div></div>And this isn't EQ1 <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /><hr></blockquote><p><strong>If these folks can take ideas from WoW they can take them from EQ1 too.</strong></p><p>Money sinks end up defeating the purpose for which they are put in!! They cause inflation and merely increase the flow of money in the game.!!</p><p> </p><p>Message Edited by Maroger on <span class="date_text">04-01-2006</span><span class="time_text">02:48 PM</span></p><hr></blockquote><p>And where do you think WoW got the majority of it's ideas?</p><p>Yep.</p><p>EQLive, or was you people are calling it - EQ1.</p><hr></blockquote>agreed there. guess who the head developers of wow are?tigole and furor. legacy of steel and fires of heaven. take it, leave it. they wanted to emulate eq1 without the enormous time sink to get to the end game, and they have. now the issue is.. the end game and community suck.</span><div></div><p>Message Edited by Felshades on <span class="date_text">04-01-2006</span><span class="time_text">07:28 PM</span></p>

Meeker

04-02-2006, 07:37 AM

<div></div><div></div><blockquote><hr>Maroger wrote:<p>Actually what happens is that money suddenly floods the market which artificially drive up prices so yes buying gold does create more money. Money does not enter the game as quickly when a player earns it as when he buys it. It is sort of like a spending spree when you win the lottery. The game gets a quick infusion of cash that would not otherwise happen. Anytime money enters the market quickly prices go up. <font color="#00ccff">Duping creates money. Duping floods the market with money that isn't designed to be in the game. The basic model of an MMO economy starts at the extreme high end. What actually happens is that designers base spawn rates, money drops and vendor prices based on the assumption that all mobs will be killed as soon as they pop. Farming works at the extreme of that economic model however it is not able to go beyond it. Farming does not create money out the air. So, no buying gold does not create money. Buying gold transfers money from the hands of one character to another. </font></p><p>So like I said Money sinks don't work - it is an illusion that they work -- a chimera believed by the naive. <font color="#00ccff">Money sinks do, in fact, work. They remove money from the economy, as they are designed to. To assert otherwise is naive.</font></p><p>SOE would like a tight money situation but that is an impossible idea -- the only way to achieve that is to remove game currency altogether. <font color="#00ccff">Removing money from the economy is possible. It is done by charging a character for something and giving them something in return that has no resale value such as mended armor, spell upgrades, housing and now character model changes. These are called moneysinks.</font></p><p>As for accusing people who buy money of cheating -- don't be so busy minding other people's business. It is a small thing and this is only a game. I think sometime people lose sight of the fact that this is only a game. It happens in all games and companies are powerless to stop it -- hence all the gold/plat etc. Selling sites who sell game money for every single MMO out there. I don't lose any sleep over people buying gold, you apparently do!! <font color="#00ccff">People who buy and sell gold outside of the Exchange servers are cheating by violating the EULA. It may well be a small thing, none the less it is cheating. </font></p><p><font color="#00ccff">So far in your arguments you have attepmted: comparing this idea to EQLive, an invlaid argument due to the rampant inflation within that game economy, misdirection, in claiming that charging is unethical, comparing the this idea to WoW, ironic since WoW working has money sinks and more misdirection. None of this proves your point. </font></p><p><font color="#00ccff">The oppertunity to change the apperance of your chracter is welcome by most players and charging for it is a logical way to remove money from the economy.</font></p><p> </p><p>Message Edited by Maroger on <span class="date_text">04-01-2006</span><span class="time_text">08:04 PM</span></p><hr></blockquote><p><font color="#00ccff">Your facts are wrong...again.</font></p><p> </p><p>Message Edited by Meekerme on <span class="date_text">04-01-2006</span><span class="time_text">07:46 PM</span></p>

Juravael

04-02-2006, 08:39 AM

<div></div><p>I am all for this added feature, Great job SOE! :smileyvery-happy:</p><p>As for the price, 1 gold is not too much to ask in my opinion. I would gladly pay more or less, matters not to me...</p>

Cerriphan

04-02-2006, 10:42 AM

oh, while they are at it, can they put in some new hairstyles, accessories and stuff. Couldnt be that hard now could it? Just a thought. <span>:smileysurprised:</span>Lauraana<div></div>

Darien

04-02-2006, 11:48 AM

I don't know if it was mentioned before, but in EQ1, it was free because of the luclin models. They never disabled the feature, or limited it, like it was meant to be. 1g isnt that much, either, they could have easily made it 1p.<div></div>

BlindPari

04-02-2006, 12:02 PM

<div></div>Personally, I'm all for it. I used my one change option when my character dinged 50 to change from red with red highlights to red with white highlights (hey, she's getting on in age!:smileyvery-happy: ) And I would love to be able to do this with my other characters when that time comes.

Hamervelder

04-02-2006, 12:54 PM

<div></div><blockquote><hr>sparql wrote:Because it is a money sink. Once you hit level 20, 1gp is a trivial amount of money.<div></div><hr></blockquote>Uhh... I don't know what EQ2 planet you came from, but 1gp is <em>not</em> a trivial amount of money at lvl 20. Not even at lvl 40. Lvl 60, sure. But not at 20.

Despak

04-02-2006, 03:28 PM

<div></div><blockquote><hr>Maroger wrote:<div></div><div></div><div></div><div></div><p>If these folks can take ideas from WoW they can take them from EQ1 too.</p><hr></blockquote>Or they can add something. Oh my what a thought!!

Tanit

04-02-2006, 05:29 PM

<span><blockquote>Maroger wrote:<div>Why does SOE feel it is necessary to charge 1g ( a little pricey for newbies) to change you face?<font color="#ffff66"><span>Hmm only 1g. I would've expected it to be at least 50g. While slightly pricy for newbies, it's pocket change for everyone else.</span></font>They manage to insert that feature into EQ1 without charging for it -- why the charge here?<font color="#ffff66">Maaaybe because this isnt EQ1? omg!!</font>Are you trying to suck money out of the game?<font color="#ffff66">Duh, ofcourse they are.</font>Haven't you done that already by spoiling trade skills so hardly any skill will get you a profit any more!!<font color="#ffff66">It's obvious you don't have a clue what money sinks are and do. But others have covered that already.</font></div><hr></blockquote></span><div></div>

ironman2000

04-02-2006, 06:41 PM

<div></div><div></div>I hate to say this, but if someone doesn't have 1 or 2 gold by level 20 they are doing something wrong, by level 20, most things you sell are for several silver. Just load up your bags and fork out the 1 gold if you want to change your appearance. I think SoE did a bad thing by allowing players to change their appearances for free on the live game a while back, now people are expecting it. In my opinion, 5 gold would even be a good deal if you want to change something about your character.<p>Message Edited by ironman2000 on <span class="date_text">04-02-2006</span><span class="time_text">07:43 AM</span></p>

Maroger

04-02-2006, 07:05 PM

<div></div><blockquote><hr>Tanith_ wrote:<span><blockquote>Maroger wrote:<div>Why does SOE feel it is necessary to charge 1g ( a little pricey for newbies) to change you face?<font color="#ffff66"><span>Hmm only 1g. I would've expected it to be at least 50g. While slightly pricy for newbies, it's pocket change for everyone else.</span></font>They manage to insert that feature into EQ1 without charging for it -- why the charge here?<font color="#ffff66">Maaaybe because this isnt EQ1? omg!!</font>Are you trying to suck money out of the game?<font color="#ffff66">Duh, ofcourse they are.</font>Haven't you done that already by spoiling trade skills so hardly any skill will get you a profit any more!!<font color="#ffff66">It's obvious you don't have a clue what money sinks are and do. But others have covered that already.</font></div><hr></blockquote></span><div></div><hr></blockquote><p>No none of you who have responded have a clue about in-game economies and keep overlooking the most important point -- MONEY IS FUNGIBLE.</p><p>First of all I look at the amount of gold for sale for real money. Go add it up sometimes -- there is a lot out there -- more, I suspect, than be acquired legally. I would not be surprised if there was some form of exploit going on -- there is too much on the real world market for it to be made by the slow, tedious method of getting it all in-game. Periodically SOE does a sweep and bans accounts for various exploits -- but they are all right back again with a new account under a different name -- especially as a lot of this underground economy is created in ASIA where it is much harder legally to do much about it.</p><p>To assume that the only gold in-game is created by SOE is naive - go look around at the sites selling gold and you would realize that there is too much of it to be created by SOE alone. I know it comforts you to think that -- but wake up and look at the real world and do a little math. You will see how foolish your statements are.</p>

Rijacki

04-02-2006, 07:09 PM

In my opinion, 1g is to make it a non-trivial thing to change your appearance. They aren't limiting it to once a week or any other such. They're letting the player control how often he/she wants to make a change. The only limitation is the gold you have acquired. Does this mean higher level characters of players who have been playing longer will have the ability to change looks more than low level characters of brand new players? yes. The new players and low level characters most likely won't be as "bored" with their old look.<div></div>

MaldekTM

04-02-2006, 07:34 PM

<div></div><div>I think that 1g is fine.</div><div>I'd think that 5g would be fine too.</div><div>I'd also pay 10g, or 50g or 100g</div><div> </div><div>The fact that the Barber NPC exists at all is something to cheer about. Be happy there will be a way to change your appearance at all, regardless of the coin fee. </div>

Rashaak

04-02-2006, 09:28 PM

<div></div><p>So...I take it the ones complaining don't shave or get their haircuts. Oh wait! Maybe they have their parents pay for them... /shrug</p><p>You pay for a haircut in real life. You pay for a hair stylist in real life. Fashion and style change almost daily. The way the EQ2 Economy is set up, you need the money sinks, either that some newb equipment will start being sold at 100 pp just because all the players that have been around for awhile have craps load of coin and know that someone else has a crap load of coin too. That's the way it ended up being in EQ1. If you went to the bazarre you had better have some coin!</p><p><a href="http://eq2.tentonhammer.com/index.php?module=ContentExpress&func=display&ceid=769" target="_blank">Read:</a></p><p>It's a nice review on an explanation to money sinks.</p>

Galn

04-02-2006, 09:33 PM

<div>1 gold per change does make it un-trivial as one previous poster put it. It will keep a lot of people from changing as often as the wind changes direction.</div><div> </div><div>1g might not be trivial for most veteran players raising an alt to lv 20, but to a newbie player with a new character they have enough things to spend the money on before level 20. After lvl 30 is when I really started making gold instead of silver, and now in my 40's I'm started to increase the number of plat I have slowly. When I started my first character on a second server I had 10g by the time I hit lvl 10, and that was after I bought my lvl 10 gear. So it is possible to get enough to do the change but not something everyone can do.</div>

04-02-2006, 09:36 PM

<div>changing appearance is a big thing. they should charge 50gp minimum. 1gp might as well be 1cp</div><div> </div><div> </div>

Meeker

04-02-2006, 09:39 PM

<div></div><div></div><blockquote><p></p><hr><p>Maroger wrote:</p><p>No none of you who have responded have a clue about in-game economies and keep overlooking the most important point -- MONEY IS FUNGIBLE. <font color="#00ccff">No, i'm not ignoring it. I'm explaining, repeatedly, why it is completely irrelevent. </font></p><p>First of all I look at the amount of gold for sale for real money. Go add it up sometimes -- there is a lot out there -- more, I suspect, than be acquired legally.</p><p><font color="#00ccff">More misdirection. While buying and selling plat outside of the Exchange servers is against the ELUA it has nothing to do with money sinks. </font></p><p>I would not be surprised if there was some form of exploit going on -- there is too much on the real world market for it to be made by the slow, tedious method of getting it all in-game.</p><p><font color="#00ccff">It would boggle my mind if you were surprised since i have explained the exploit twice previously. </font></p><p>Periodically SOE does a sweep and bans accounts for various exploits -- but they are all right back again with a new account under a different name -- especially as a lot of this underground economy is created in ASIA where it is much harder legally to do much about it.</p><p> <font color="#00ccff">More misdirection. Raising the specter of plat sellers from ASIA and their "underground economy" is not only misdirection, it's racist. Stop it.</font></p><p><font color="#00ccff">The exploit you are refering to is called duping. SOE bans dupers as soon as their exploit is found. That's a large part of the reason the brokers have been down so often lately. Thank you for finally coming around to the point; farming does not create money. Duping creates money. Neither farming, selling and buying plat, nor duping has anything to do with money sinks. They are totally seperate.</font></p><p>To assume that the only gold in-game is created by SOE is naive -go look around at the sites selling gold and you would realize that there is too much of it to be created by SOE alone. I know it comforts you to think that -- but wake up and look at the real world and do a little math. You will see how foolish your statements are.</p><p><font color="#00ccff">It is terribly naive to think that anything other than an exploit creates money in fact that is exactly what i've been explaining to you in these last few posts...and yet you stated that buying gold creates money in your previous post. </font></p><p><font color="#ffffff">Maroger wrote:</font></p><p><font color="#ffffff">"Actually what happens is that money suddenly floods the market which artificially drive up prices <font color="#ff0000">so yes buying gold does create more money</font>. "</font></p><p><font color="#00ccff">I have seen the foolishness of certain statements...not <em>my </em>statements<em>, </em>but certain statements above certainly were foolish.<em> </em></font></p><hr></blockquote><font color="#00ccff">Personally i'm quite surprised that this service only cost one gold. I won't be at all surprised if the price jumps sharply when this goes live. I would pay ten gold for the chance to change my hairstyle. I also strongly support the idea of having certain hairstyles (and Woad, for those races that have it) availible only to those who spend status on them.</font><p>Message Edited by Meekerme on <span class="date_text">04-02-2006</span><span class="time_text">11:36 AM</span></p>

Teaff

04-02-2006, 09:58 PM

The feature was intented when the game first launch'd as you can tell it didnt make it, and the wanted BARBER shops not something you can click on and make some changes on the fly. Which as you would pay $ whould bring you more immersion into the game, Eq2 is re knowned for immersion so i bet they want to keep it so nothing breaks it. 1g is nothin anyhow, so ya a lvl 5 newb isnt going to be carrying it around but thats somethiing they have to work for not to be handed it in front of him.<div></div>

Amnzero

04-02-2006, 10:28 PM

<div>just a few things. If you can't afford it (the haricut) don't buy it. If you really want it you'll work for it. quite whining. If it pisses you off that much, quit. You want to know why they charge for it? Because they frikin can. Mostly to curb inflation. But if they charged real world dollars to do it, you know someone would pay it.</div><div> </div><div>also whoever said</div><div>-------------------------------------------------------------------------</div><div><p>If you are an adult with disposable income and you want something for your toon and you aren't a high enough level to have acquire the requisite cash you will simply go and buy gold. Thereby putting more money into the game than would normally be the case.</p><p>--------------------------------------------------------------------------</p><p> </p><p>That gold was already in the game. They dont just snap their fingers and create more gold in their pockets. People dont understand that buying plat doesnt actually cause inflation. It happens when there are, say for example, 3 tuber strands left on the broker. Normally they sell for 3s each but since those were all bought someone lists them @ 1G a piece. Knucklehead plat buyer buys them for 1G each anyways cause he's a [Removed for Content]. Next thing you know everyone is selling for no less than 1G because they know stupid people will pay it. </p><p>Viola, inflated prices.</p><p> </p><p>Not rocket science guys, just a little common sense with a sprinkling of gnoll blood.</p></div>

Solaran_X

04-02-2006, 10:40 PM

<div></div><blockquote><hr>Hamervelder wrote:<div></div><blockquote><hr>sparql wrote:Because it is a money sink. Once you hit level 20, 1gp is a trivial amount of money.<div></div><hr></blockquote>Uhh... I don't know what EQ2 planet you came from, but 1gp is <em>not</em> a trivial amount of money at lvl 20. Not even at lvl 40. Lvl 60, sure. But not at 20.<hr></blockquote>My Shadowknight had 1g when he left the OLD Isle of Refuge as a L6 Fighter. It's not very hard to make money, even as a newbie.

Mareth

04-03-2006, 12:25 AM

How much money you got varies a lot. I'm playing my first character now, she's in the 40's, but I still haven't had more than 60-70g at max. I usually got about 30 on me, but not much more than that.Got the points needed for T4 mount though, so I'm trying to save <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /> But wizzies needs spells <img src="/smilies/8a80c6485cd926be453217d59a84a888.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /><div></div>

Hamervelder

04-03-2006, 12:49 AM

<div></div><blockquote><hr>Solaran_X wrote:<div></div><blockquote><hr>Hamervelder wrote:<div></div><blockquote><hr>sparql wrote:Because it is a money sink. Once you hit level 20, 1gp is a trivial amount of money.<div></div><hr></blockquote>Uhh... I don't know what EQ2 planet you came from, but 1gp is <em>not</em> a trivial amount of money at lvl 20. Not even at lvl 40. Lvl 60, sure. But not at 20.<hr></blockquote>My Shadowknight had 1g when he left the OLD Isle of Refuge as a L6 Fighter. It's not very hard to make money, even as a newbie.<hr></blockquote>Not very hard, but not very common, either. Does the average lvl 20 player have 1gp? I'm sure they do. Do they have enough to comfortably blow it on a 'haircut' and still have enough left for supplies and watnot? Doubtful.

Lairdragna

04-03-2006, 01:01 AM

OK... first off, I can blow through from level 1 to 20 in a weekend without trying all that hard. The amount of time it takes to get to 20 is a joke, and if you are sick of your looks by that point... well, maybe you shouldn't have chosen so poorly to begin with. My character is nearly 63, has been played since December 2004 and I have not changed his standard appearance one iota. I did tweak his SOGA appearance when that was introduced only because I thought it was a very bad translation. I think Gnomes get the shaft in the SOGA appearance. I digress.If you don't have 20g by the time you are level 20, you are doing something seriously wrong! Quests give cash. Body loot gives cash. Harvestables, especially rares, sell for cash. Collectible ? marks sell for cash. This isn't rocket science. I had my first PLAT by level 20 back in January 2005. I betrayed, when I betrayed I carried a ton of Freeport furniture to Qeynos with me and it sold like hotcakes. Sold so well that I made an alt in Freeport and used to have him buy furniture and I would run Nek (back when Nek was terrifying) to transfer the furniture for my customers. I had 10p by the time I was 30 and was in rare armor. It is entirely possible, if you are creative and willing to put the time in.1g is a joke. I too would pay more. I might propose a sliding scale based upon level. 1-19 1g, 20-38 3g, 40-59 5g, 50-59 7g, 60-70 10g. I'd have no problem with that at all. Heck, it costs me like 20g to repair armor after most raids, and exactly how often ar you going to change your appearance that 1g... or even 10g is an issue?<div></div>

Gang

04-03-2006, 03:05 AM

<div></div><p>Dont forget Barbar shop is on Test and the 1 gold price is not fixed yet. Not many players on test are going to have more than 10gold so it makes sense for SOE to charge small change for the propose of testing this new feature before or if going live.</p><p>If it is not 1 gold maybe it be like 1gold lvl 1 to 10, 10gold lvl 11 to 20, 1p lvl 21 to 30 or even like the AA charging scale 1s,13s,1g13s,1p3g etc Who knows ???</p>

valkyrja

04-03-2006, 03:22 AM

<div><span><blockquote><hr>Hamervelder wrote:<div></div><blockquote><hr>Solaran_X wrote:<div></div><blockquote><hr>Hamervelder wrote:<div></div><blockquote><hr>sparql wrote:Because it is a money sink. Once you hit level 20, 1gp is a trivial amount of money.<div></div><hr></blockquote>Uhh... I don't know what EQ2 planet you came from, but 1gp is <em>not</em> a trivial amount of money at lvl 20. Not even at lvl 40. Lvl 60, sure. But not at 20.<hr></blockquote>My Shadowknight had 1g when he left the OLD Isle of Refuge as a L6 Fighter. It's not very hard to make money, even as a newbie.<hr></blockquote>Not very hard, but not very common, either. Does the average lvl 20 player have 1gp? I'm sure they do. Do they have enough to comfortably blow it on a 'haircut' and still have enough left for supplies and watnot? Doubtful. <hr></blockquote>First off I'm from the same EQ2 planet as everyone else. By the time I'm 20, I usually have at least 20gp as pocket change. If you aren't good with your coin, that doesn't mean its hard to get. It means you need to learn how to wisely earn/spen it.That said, if a "haircut" is so important to a person bu level 20, they won't mind paying the small fee. If it really hurts their pocket, perhaps they will learn to make wiser choices in the future.</span></div>

selch

04-03-2006, 06:48 AM

<div>IMO, should be 1 plat or close.. Okay, not that much, but 1 gold imo, is way too cheap...</div><div> </div><div>Because...</div><div> </div><div>I don't see people everyday having plastic surgery changing everywhere of them daily. Don't want to see in game either. Yes, I love the option to make up yourself a bit that, a bit this..</div><div> </div><div>But really should not be "daily" stop of everyone.</div><div> </div>

Jal

04-03-2006, 05:07 PM

Easiest thing to do is give a weeks timer between uses. The main time people will want to use it is to either make a big change beacuse they're bored of their look or to correct a mistake made on character creation. The character creation screen is very difficult to get exactly right first time because the colours are very different there to what you see in game.1g is a good price as its just a nominal fee for people to change their appearances. At level 20 you can easily make a good few gold in the splitpaw upper tunnels or TS. People need to remember not everyone has a high level alt so making it more than 1g would just exclude people new to the game from using the feature.I do like the suggestion of new styles being available from status points and such this would give those with excess money/SP the chance to make themselves a bit different.

selch

04-03-2006, 05:13 PM

<div></div><blockquote><hr>Jalek wrote:Easiest thing to do is give a weeks timer between uses. The main time people will want to use it is to either make a big change beacuse they're bored of their look or to correct a mistake made on character creation. The character creation screen is very difficult to get exactly right first time because the colours are very different there to what you see in game.1g is a good price as its just a nominal fee for people to change their appearances. At level 20 you can easily make a good few gold in the splitpaw upper tunnels or TS. People need to remember not everyone has a high level alt so making it more than 1g would just exclude people new to the game from using the feature.I do like the suggestion of new styles being available from status points and such this would give those with excess money/SP the chance to make themselves a bit different.<hr></blockquote><p>Your idea made me think of "timed instances" for barber too that we can see our next appointment with barber :p</p><p> </p><p> </p>

Tradeskill_Addict

04-03-2006, 05:57 PM

<div>Maybe a free haircut will be included in the next veteran rewards - or some kind of "makeup-mirror" for those preordering the next expansion <img src="/smilies/8a80c6485cd926be453217d59a84a888.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /></div>

runamonk

04-03-2006, 07:32 PM

<div></div>When you start getting quests that reward you 10 - 25gp you won't be so worried about 1gp to change your appearance. Personally I think there aren't enough money sinks in game, some people just have way too much plat. I don't have alot but I really try to get alot either so it works out okay for me.Hell I pay 1gp a week in upkeep for my suite. Which is super cheap in comparison to what some people are spending. <img src="/smilies/8a80c6485cd926be453217d59a84a888.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /><div></div><p>Message Edited by runamonk on <span class="date_text">04-03-2006</span><span class="time_text">08:36 AM</span></p>

runamonk

04-03-2006, 07:33 PM

<div><span><blockquote><hr>joeygopher wrote:<div>More than happy to be able to pay for a makeover.</div><div> </div><div>In fact, while they're at it, how about some looks and hairstyles that you can get by spending your hard-earned status points on?</div><hr></blockquote>Awesome idea!</span></div>

Rijacki

04-03-2006, 07:54 PM

<div><span><blockquote><hr>Jalek wrote:Easiest thing to do is give a weeks timer between uses. The main time people will want to use it is to either make a big change beacuse they're bored of their look or to correct a mistake made on character creation. The character creation screen is very difficult to get exactly right first time because the colours are very different there to what you see in game.<hr></blockquote>The problem with that is the person who wants to, for RP reasons, change their appearance for an event or a weekend and then change back.1g makes it something that will limit -most- players from changing it on a whim which still allowing frequent changes for those who want to change more frequently.I do hope, though, that they'll eventually add in more hairstyles (or even colours) that can be selected, even if it's for a fee.Reading the notes (and not having time lately to go on to Test), my fear is that it's just giving you a button the character creation screen and prompting you to do the actual changes there and not actually in-game. Thus.. it solves none of the "problems" of the character creation being lit one way and in-game environmental lighting showing everything entirely differently. I hope, if if does indeed send you out to character creation to change, that this is only a quickie to get the feature in game at all and that they're still working on something dynamic and fully in-game (with the in-game lighting and all).</span></div>

Rarlin

04-03-2006, 08:29 PM

<div></div><blockquote><hr>Maroger wrote:<div>Why does SOE feel it is necessary to charge 1g ( a little pricey for newbies) to change you face? They manage to insert that feature into EQ1 without charging for it -- why the charge here? Are you trying to suck money out of the game? Haven't you done that already by spoiling trade skills so hardly any skill will get you a profit any more!!</div><hr></blockquote><p>I really can't believe this. People are crying because some level 4 isn't going to be able to choose a new hairstyle. Yeah, I know... it would take a TON of work to reroll the character and bring them up to level 4 again... This has got to be a sick joke. They are adding something awesome to this game! If you want to get a haircut, you can get a haircut now. </p><p>And for those of you that made the comments about "Not everyone is interested in the Role-Play", I encourage you to figure out the meaning of MMORPG. This isn't [Removed for Content]' Quake people, it's an RPG.</p><p>Complain complain complain... </p>

Despak

04-03-2006, 09:06 PM

<div></div>I wonder if they go [expletive haxx0red by Raijinn]ing and whining to the manager at the local barber shop when they go there and are expected to pay?

Rhianni

04-03-2006, 09:35 PM

<div></div><blockquote><p></p><hr><p>Maroger wrote:</p><p>I am sorry I think it is wrong to charge. I almost think it is unethical!!</p><hr></blockquote>Where is the ACLU when you need them.

Junkisfunk

04-03-2006, 10:18 PM

<div></div><blockquote><hr>Maroger wrote:<div></div><div></div><blockquote><hr>Ariellia wrote:<div></div>Wow...people are actually complaining about them charging 1g? In most games I have encountered once you set your appearance it is set permanently. I think it's awesome that SOE has given us this option. If this option was ever introduced, I expected there would be a charge, and am actually surprised it ONLY costs 1g. It takes away from the realism o f the game if people are changing their appearance every few days - and with no charge, they could. Designing the appearance of your character should be an important decision, just like the selection of achievements, imho.<hr></blockquote><p>EQ1 set the standard for SOE - they did not charge and there was no tom-foolery about going to a barber to make it plausible to charge.</p><p>If EQ1 could let players do it free why can't EQ2???</p><p>Skip the barber and other cute stuff and just make it an option to CHANGE APPEARANCE when you log on!!</p><p>Message Edited by Maroger on <span class="date_text">04-01-2006</span><span class="time_text">02:26 PM</span></p><hr></blockquote><p>Because its called roleplaying. It amazes me how some people will say just about anything to get something for free. MMORPG's just aren't what they used to be. Certain portion of the player base gets it. The designers get it, but some people don't. =)</p><p>/sarcasm off</p>

cr0wangel

04-03-2006, 11:24 PM

<div><span><blockquote><hr>Maroger wrote:<div></div><div></div><p>EQ1 set the standard for SOE - they did not charge and there was no tom-foolery about going to a barber to make it plausible to charge.</p><p>If EQ1 could let players do it free why can't EQ2???</p><p>Skip the barber and other cute stuff and just make it an option to CHANGE APPEARANCE when you log on!!</p><hr></blockquote>1- This is not EQ12- There are roleplayers out there and we want barbers, it's better for the roleplay that just a button...3- Stop complaining about a good idea, for once they are doing something good.</span></div>

Zannah

04-04-2006, 12:31 AM

<div></div>how 'bout tiering it a bit.Hair Style change = 1gpHair Color change +1gpTat pattern or Woad change? hmmm pricey? (cause its removal too - gotta use that Snakepeel stuff from Order of the Serpentine !!)Tat pattern or Woad ADD?? could be cool - maybe a Status purchase for all racesPiercing changes / Piercing Adds (maybe I could get my other ear pierced !!!!!)Eyecolor changes - not sure if this would work separately - eye's don't really show up that much.Face change - skin tone - ears - full package type stuff would cost the mostIm sure the full packages would'nt get used that much - people identify with the look of their characters - and their friends do too. Change too completely and you'll have some getting used to time involved.Superficial changes like hair style and color shouldn't be that costly, and will probably be the most used - keep them cheap and in the long run the money sink will be successful.Flesh it out a bit - using 1gp as the base price for minor changes - and I think it'll be great.<div></div><p>Message Edited by Zannah on <span class="date_text">04-03-2006</span><span class="time_text">04:32 PM</span></p>

Meeker

04-04-2006, 02:44 AM

<div></div><div>That would work. They could run it like a spa. Very good idea.</div>

Ildarus

04-04-2006, 05:15 AM

<div></div><blockquote><hr>Ayun wrote:<div>changing appearance is a big thing. they should charge 50gp minimum. 1gp might as well be 1cp</div><div> </div><div> </div><hr></blockquote>Agree, unlike the OP, I think this is a great idea and they should charge more. I would pay 50gp for it. This is a major change. For 1gp you are going to be able to change everything about your characters looks. That is way to cheap and easy for 1gp.

Maroger

04-04-2006, 06:58 AM

<div></div><blockquote><hr>Rijacki wrote:<div><span><blockquote><hr>Jalek wrote:Easiest thing to do is give a weeks timer between uses. The main time people will want to use it is to either make a big change beacuse they're bored of their look or to correct a mistake made on character creation. The character creation screen is very difficult to get exactly right first time because the colours are very different there to what you see in game.<hr></blockquote>The problem with that is the person who wants to, for RP reasons, change their appearance for an event or a weekend and then change back.1g makes it something that will limit -most- players from changing it on a whim which still allowing frequent changes for those who want to change more frequently.I do hope, though, that they'll eventually add in more hairstyles (or even colours) that can be selected, even if it's for a fee.Reading the notes (and not having time lately to go on to Test), my fear is that it's just giving you a button the character creation screen and prompting you to do the actual changes there and not actually in-game. Thus.. it solves none of the "problems" of the character creation being lit one way and in-game environmental lighting showing everything entirely differently. I hope, if if does indeed send you out to character creation to change, that this is only a quickie to get the feature in game at all and that they're still working on something dynamic and fully in-game (with the in-game lighting and all).</span></div><hr></blockquote>I have 2 characters I want to change -- they looked great in creation but in game they suck and I don't feel I should have to pay 1cp to correct a problem caused by the lighting of the creation screen or the fact that the color you choose at character creation end up looking differentlyh in game. Basically I am being asked to pay for SOE problem!!

Suraklin

04-04-2006, 11:37 AM

<div></div><blockquote><hr>Calthine wrote:<div></div>And this isn't EQ1 <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /><hr></blockquote>Sure it is. It just has better graphics now.

Delameko Stone

04-04-2006, 02:02 PM

Kleitos

04-04-2006, 05:48 PM

Bah, just skimmed thru all pages and posts complaining about if it should be 1 gold or whatever.I just wonder, why have a fee at all on the test-server, are you (SoE) testing the fact that the apperance change really charges the money or that the apperance change works correctly?My guess is that you (SoE) wanted to test that the apperance change is working and people don't end up 'breaking' their apperance.The charging money for a service is (or should be) the same as purchasing any other item from an NPC.What the cost for the apperance change on live servers will be is somewhat irrelevant on test, isn't?<div></div>

Mabes

04-04-2006, 06:33 PM

<div></div>Personally, I think this is a great addition. As far as price goes, I think it would work best if it scaled to your level. 1gp is nothing for a high level character, then again it's not too much for any character over level 20. Maybe have it be something like 25s for T1 chars, 50s for T2, 1gp for T3, 5gp for T4, 15gp for T5, 25gp for t6, 50gp for T7. Would make for a better money sink, and remove complaints from lower level chars like the OP.

Saihung23

04-04-2006, 06:40 PM

<div></div><p>I think they are charging char's because it is a barbershop set up. You only get free haircuts if your mom cuts it <img src="/smilies/69934afc394145350659cd7add244ca9.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /></p><p>I think it is nice that they are even putting the option to test. and 1 gold is nothing...you can beg that off of a higher level char. in no time hehe</p><p>Saihung</p>

Cynto

04-04-2006, 06:42 PM

<div></div><div></div><blockquote><hr>Maroger wrote:<div></div><blockquote><hr>Rijacki wrote:<div><span><blockquote><hr>Jalek wrote:Easiest thing to do is give a weeks timer between uses. The main time people will want to use it is to either make a big change beacuse they're bored of their look or to correct a mistake made on character creation. The character creation screen is very difficult to get exactly right first time because the colours are very different there to what you see in game.<hr></blockquote>The problem with that is the person who wants to, for RP reasons, change their appearance for an event or a weekend and then change back.1g makes it something that will limit -most- players from changing it on a whim which still allowing frequent changes for those who want to change more frequently.I do hope, though, that they'll eventually add in more hairstyles (or even colours) that can be selected, even if it's for a fee.Reading the notes (and not having time lately to go on to Test), my fear is that it's just giving you a button the character creation screen and prompting you to do the actual changes there and not actually in-game. Thus.. it solves none of the "problems" of the character creation being lit one way and in-game environmental lighting showing everything entirely differently. I hope, if if does indeed send you out to character creation to change, that this is only a quickie to get the feature in game at all and that they're still working on something dynamic and fully in-game (with the in-game lighting and all).</span></div><hr></blockquote>I have 2 characters I want to change -- they looked great in creation but in game they suck and I don't feel I should have to pay 1cp to correct a problem caused by the lighting of the creation screen or the fact that the color you choose at character creation end up looking differentlyh in game. Basically I am being asked to pay for SOE problem!!<hr></blockquote><p>That is a pretty lame reason to complain about a 1g charge, which isn't much of anything anyway. I sneeze and i've made 1g at this point.</p><p>If you are upset at the way your charachters came out of character creation, why in the blazing heck didn't you re-roll your charachter and re-do their looks right as soon as you loaded into game and saw them? Sure, SoE really shouldn't have a different lighting system in charachter creation than in game, but they do, and if you were too lazy or whatever to change it as soon as you loaded into game and saw it was different that is your own fault, not SoE's.</p><p>Since you didn't take the option to re-do your looks by re-rolling right as soon as you loaded in and noticed it wasn't the same I think that a measly 1g fee is more than fair to fix your looks with absolutely no reprocussions.</p><p>Message Edited by Cynto on <span class="date_text">04-04-2006</span><span class="time_text">10:44 AM</span></p>

Kyriel

04-04-2006, 06:45 PM

<div></div><blockquote><hr>Cynto wrote:<div></div><div></div><blockquote><hr>Maroger wrote:<div></div><blockquote><hr>Rijacki wrote:<div><span><blockquote><hr>Jalek wrote:Easiest thing to do is give a weeks timer between uses. The main time people will want to use it is to either make a big change beacuse they're bored of their look or to correct a mistake made on character creation. The character creation screen is very difficult to get exactly right first time because the colours are very different there to what you see in game.<hr></blockquote>The problem with that is the person who wants to, for RP reasons, change their appearance for an event or a weekend and then change back.1g makes it something that will limit -most- players from changing it on a whim which still allowing frequent changes for those who want to change more frequently.I do hope, though, that they'll eventually add in more hairstyles (or even colours) that can be selected, even if it's for a fee.Reading the notes (and not having time lately to go on to Test), my fear is that it's just giving you a button the character creation screen and prompting you to do the actual changes there and not actually in-game. Thus.. it solves none of the "problems" of the character creation being lit one way and in-game environmental lighting showing everything entirely differently. I hope, if if does indeed send you out to character creation to change, that this is only a quickie to get the feature in game at all and that they're still working on something dynamic and fully in-game (with the in-game lighting and all).</span></div><hr></blockquote>I have 2 characters I want to change -- they looked great in creation but in game they suck and I don't feel I should have to pay 1cp to correct a problem caused by the lighting of the creation screen or the fact that the color you choose at character creation end up looking differentlyh in game. Basically I am being asked to pay for SOE problem!!<hr></blockquote><p>That is a pretty lame reason to complain about a 1g charge, which isn't much of anything anyway. I sneeze and i've made 1g at this point.</p><p>If you are upset at the way your charachters came out of character creation, why in the blazing heck didn't you re-roll your charachter and re-do their looks right as soon as you loaded into game and saw them? Sure, SoE really shouldn't have a different lighting system in charachter creation than in game, but they do, and if you were too lazy or whatever to change it as soon as you loaded into game and saw it was different that is your own fault, not SoE's.</p><p>Since you didn't take the option to re-do your looks by re-rolling right as soon as you loaded in and noticed it wasn't the same I think that a measly 1g fee is more than fair to fix your looks with absolutely no reprocussions.</p><p>Message Edited by Cynto on <span class="date_text">04-04-2006</span><span class="time_text">10:44 AM</span></p><hr></blockquote>Very very well said <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />

Xdatinelia

04-05-2006, 11:12 AM

<div></div>I gotta say considering the suggestion was on the gameplay boards just a few weeks ago, I am excited they did this. I do not see any issue with 1gp per change, it makes sense to charge for a service.

Suraklin

04-05-2006, 02:59 PM

<div></div><blockquote><hr>Saihung23 wrote:<div></div><p>I think they are charging char's because it is a barbershop set up. You only get free haircuts if your mom cuts it <img src="/smilies/69934afc394145350659cd7add244ca9.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /></p><p>I think it is nice that they are even putting the option to test. and 1 gold is nothing...you can beg that off of a higher level char. in no time hehe</p><p>Saihung</p><hr></blockquote>You won't beg it off me. I made my money noobs can make it just like I did too.

Takiana

04-05-2006, 03:57 PM

<div></div><p>It's a wonderful thing SOE is doing here... it's called giving the player "a choice" -- you can change your appearance or not. For whatever reason you want. 1G leaves the choice in the players' hands;it's doable to earn for anyone in their own time. 1 p would pretty much let out a lot of casual gamers.</p><p>Cheers SOE, can't wait to get the flowers outta my bard's hair... what was I thinking? :smileyvery-happy:</p>

Scottishla

04-05-2006, 11:55 PM

<div></div><div></div><p>Oh oh oh! I can't wait for this to go live! And seriously, if 1gp is such a HUGE amount of money to some folks, then don't get a haricut! Sort of like RL....you go the store for groceries. There are necessities you must spend your hard earned money on (milk, eggs, bread, etc). In game those are (food, drink, upgrades, etc). But sometimes, you really want some Oreo's or Pepsi or doughnuts, etc. Those are optional things that you have to decide if you really want to spend your hard earned money on. Same here, in the game world, you just have to decide if a new look is something you really want to spend your 1gp on.</p><p>But honestly, 1gp is nothing. I am not a farmer. I do some tradeskill and harvesting, maybe 3-4 hours a week. Most of my cash comes from adventuring and I could afford to change my looks daily with little dent in my bank account. If this isn't the case for you, then maybe you're not hunting in the right areas or something....Stop declining trivial loot (did you realize those trivial leaf loots from the attacking plants in KoS sell to vendors for 36s?) Hell, 2 leaves and ya got a new haricut.</p><p><font color="#ffff00"><strong>What I want to know though, is are these new looks unique, or are they carbon copies of choices we had at creation?</strong></font> I was not happy with the choices for hairstyles for my female barb pally and am really hoping that there will be some new ones to choose from.</p><p>Message Edited by Scottishlass on <span class="date_text">04-05-2006</span><span class="time_text">02:00 PM</span></p>

Arathy

04-06-2006, 12:36 AM

<div><span><blockquote><hr>Maroger wrote:<p>As for accusing people who buy money of cheating -- don't be so busy minding other people's business. It is a small thing and this is only a game. I think sometime people lose sight of the fact that this is only a game. It happens in all games and companies are powerless to stop it -- hence all the gold/plat etc. selling sites who sell game money for every single MMO out there. I don't lose any sleep over people buying gold, you apparently do!!</p><hr></blockquote>And yet you complain about a 1gold charge.. Simply unbelievable.</span></div>

Delameko Stone

04-06-2006, 05:40 PM

<div><span><blockquote><hr>Scottishlass wrote:<div></div><div></div><font color="#ffff00"><strong>What I want to know though, is are these new looks unique, or are they carbon copies of choices we had at creation?</strong></font> I was not happy with the choices for hairstyles for my female barb pally and am really hoping that there will be some new ones to choose from.<hr></blockquote>They're the same ones. All this does is reactivate the "Set Appearance" button on the Character select screen.</span></div>

Dirty Jack Rackham

04-06-2006, 06:56 PM

<blockquote><hr>Maroger wrote:<div></div><blockquote><hr></blockquote><p>No none of you who have responded have a clue about in-game economies and keep overlooking the most important point -- MONEY IS FUNGIBLE.</p><p>First of all I look at the amount of gold for sale for real money. Go add it up sometimes -- there is a lot out there -- more, I suspect, than be acquired legally. I would not be surprised if there was some form of exploit going on -- there is too much on the real world market for it to be made by the slow, tedious method of getting it all in-game. Periodically SOE does a sweep and bans accounts for various exploits -- but they are all right back again with a new account under a different name -- especially as a lot of this underground economy is created in ASIA where it is much harder legally to do much about it.</p><p>To assume that the only gold in-game is created by SOE is naive - go look around at the sites selling gold and you would realize that there is too much of it to be created by SOE alone. I know it comforts you to think that -- but wake up and look at the real world and do a little math. You will see how foolish your statements are.</p><hr></blockquote>Hmmm.... "FUNGIBLE"... Interesting word. I had to look it up to assure myself that it actually existed. I don't believe that this word would actually make it into most people's normal conversations (unless they happen to be a lawyer). I've never heard anyone using it to date.fun·gi·ble (fnj-bl) adjetive.Law. Returnable or negotiable in kind or by substitution, as a quantity of grain for an equal amount of the same kind of grain.Interchangeable.noun. Something that is exchangeable or substitutable. Often used in the pluralSo yes, I can see where this is applicable. You are exchanging one gold coin for one makeover. Fair enough.I fail to see or follow the logic here. What does duping and buying platinum from farmers have to do with a hair salon charging for a hair cut? I seriously doubt that the world will end and priceses will rise because you have to pay someone a gold coin for a shampoo and blowdry. Relax... it's only a game.EverQuest 2 is not a first person shooter. While it can be played as such, this defeats the whole premise of playing a ROLEPLAYING game in the first place. One must earn their keep in this game. As a functional member of a society (real or imagined), I must pay for services rendered. I must exchange a set amount of coin for a service that I require, be that food, utilities, fuel, what have you. To earn this coin, I must complete certain tasks that are given to me by my employer in an efficient and timely manner. If services are offered by NPC or PC, I would expect those services to be rendered in a fasion in keeping with the storyline of the game. Being required to pay for those services as one would in real life. How wonderful it would be if we could just walk up to Hwal Rucksif and say "Listen up you smelly little troll, I ain't about to kill your long dead grandpappy for you, just give me your boots and I'll be on my way." Life doesn't work that way and neither should this game. The cost for the service is small enough and there are more pressing problems for the Devs to worry about.

Saihung23

04-06-2006, 07:07 PM

<div></div><blockquote><hr>Suraklin wrote:<div></div><blockquote><hr>Saihung23 wrote:<div></div><p>I think they are charging char's because it is a barbershop set up. You only get free haircuts if your mom cuts it <img src="/smilies/69934afc394145350659cd7add244ca9.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /></p><p>I think it is nice that they are even putting the option to test. and 1 gold is nothing...you can beg that off of a higher level char. in no time hehe</p><p>Saihung</p><hr></blockquote>You won't beg it off me. I made my money noobs can make it just like I did too.<hr></blockquote><p>Awww <img src="/smilies/9d71f0541cff0a302a0309c5079e8dee.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /></p><p>C'mon Suraklin, cant you at least give me 50 silver to get me started...I dont want to have to break any of my Plat to get a hair cut. </p><p>I will never be able to get rid of the bowl cut my Ma gave me <img src="/smilies/9d71f0541cff0a302a0309c5079e8dee.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /></p><p>Saihung</p>

Scottishla

04-06-2006, 09:22 PM

<div></div><blockquote><hr>Delameko Stone wrote:<div><span><blockquote><hr>Scottishlass wrote:<div></div><div></div><font color="#ffff00"><strong>What I want to know though, is are these new looks unique, or are they carbon copies of choices we had at creation?</strong></font> I was not happy with the choices for hairstyles for my female barb pally and am really hoping that there will be some new ones to choose from.<hr></blockquote>They're the same ones. All this does is reactivate the "Set Appearance" button on the Character select screen.</span></div><hr></blockquote>Bah! I want some new choices. I'd pay 1p for some good choices <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /> Have you ever seen the hairstyle choices given Babarian females? As I scrolled through my only thought was, "Hmmm...I can be "Heidi" or look like a man...which will it be?" I know we're big, brassy girls...but we want to look pretty too <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />

Suraklin

04-07-2006, 01:37 PM

<div></div><blockquote><hr>Saihung23 wrote:<div></div><blockquote><hr>Suraklin wrote:<div></div><blockquote><hr>Saihung23 wrote:<div></div><p>I think they are charging char's because it is a barbershop set up. You only get free haircuts if your mom cuts it <img src="/smilies/69934afc394145350659cd7add244ca9.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /></p><p>I think it is nice that they are even putting the option to test. and 1 gold is nothing...you can beg that off of a higher level char. in no time hehe</p><p>Saihung</p><hr></blockquote>You won't beg it off me. I made my money noobs can make it just like I did too.<hr></blockquote><p>Awww <img src="/smilies/9d71f0541cff0a302a0309c5079e8dee.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /></p><p>C'mon Suraklin, cant you at least give me 50 silver to get me started...I dont want to have to break any of my Plat to get a hair cut. </p><p>I will never be able to get rid of the bowl cut my Ma gave me <img src="/smilies/9d71f0541cff0a302a0309c5079e8dee.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /></p><p>Saihung</p><hr></blockquote>Bowl cuts are very fashionable. Ever seen Dumb and Dumber? It worked well in it lol.

Saihung23

04-07-2006, 10:59 PM

<div></div><blockquote><hr>Suraklin wrote:<div></div><blockquote><hr>Saihung23 wrote:<div></div><blockquote><hr>Suraklin wrote:<div></div><blockquote><hr>Saihung23 wrote:<div></div><p>I think they are charging char's because it is a barbershop set up. You only get free haircuts if your mom cuts it <img src="/smilies/69934afc394145350659cd7add244ca9.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /></p><p>I think it is nice that they are even putting the option to test. and 1 gold is nothing...you can beg that off of a higher level char. in no time hehe</p><p>Saihung</p><hr></blockquote>You won't beg it off me. I made my money noobs can make it just like I did too.<hr></blockquote><p>Awww <img src="/smilies/9d71f0541cff0a302a0309c5079e8dee.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /></p><p>C'mon Suraklin, cant you at least give me 50 silver to get me started...I dont want to have to break any of my Plat to get a hair cut. </p><p>I will never be able to get rid of the bowl cut my Ma gave me <img src="/smilies/9d71f0541cff0a302a0309c5079e8dee.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /></p><p>Saihung</p><hr></blockquote>Bowl cuts are very fashionable. <font color="#ff0066">Ever seen Dumb and Dumber?</font> It worked well in it lol.<hr></blockquote><p> </p><p>Seen it? I have been searching everywhere for that Furry Dog mobile ever since seeing it! I want...nay, I need that hush puppy mobile.</p>

Finora

04-08-2006, 01:30 AM

<div></div><blockquote><hr>Hamervelder wrote:<div></div><blockquote><hr>Uhh... I don't know what EQ2 planet you came from, but 1gp is <em>not</em> a trivial amount of money at lvl 20. Not even at lvl 40. Lvl 60, sure. But not at 20.<hr></blockquote></blockquote><p>1 gp is trivial to come by before 20. At least for anyone who loots their mobs or does quests. I can't remember if there is an equivalent quest in FP but there is one in Qeynos, extremely easy and repeatable that rewards up to 9 silver each time you complete it. These days you can get your first gold on Queen's Colony or the evil equivalent (I can never remember the evil island's name). I know the 2 newbies I made on test server to test out the new islands did. One actually had 3 gold before leaving the island (got lucky with lots of drops).</p><p>Go get a wholesaler task from the wholesaler in your hometown. You don't have to be a tradeskiller to do that. They give them appropriate for your adventure level if your TS level is low and the pay isn't bad for picking up 15 of some harvestable.</p><p>If you can't get 1 gp pretty quickly at lvl 20, you just aren't trying very hard.</p>

Lairdragna

04-08-2006, 02:02 AM

Whoever said Diet Pepsi and Oreos are not a [expletive haxx0red by Raijinn]ING necessity should be banned from EQ2 FOREVER!/pizza<div></div>

Corasik

04-09-2006, 02:05 PM

<div></div><div>Changing appearance was only added to EQ1 when the Lucin model set was added, and some people wanted to be able to customize their new updated look. Even back then SOE had wanted to make it a 1 time only change, but either they changed their mind, or simply didnt know how to make it that each character could only use the command once. (There were very limited 'free' flags they could use without redesigning the server side player character database)</div><div> </div><div>It was never part of the design of everquest 1 to have a permanantly 'free look' for your character.</div><div> </div><div>Personally I think the barbers shop idea is great, although really, it should have 'limited' options on what can be changed, like hair colour, length, style etc, facial hair. Tattoos at a push, but they are supposed to be pretty permanant. Not sure that change of skin colour is good. And it shouldnt be free, dont really need everyone changing their entire look, every day just because they feel like it. I like to look around and recognise my friends even when I have the overhead names turned off.</div>

skryl

04-09-2006, 08:15 PM

When the SOGA models were added everyone did have the option to change the appearance as many times as they wanted to, but then it was taken away. My suggestion was to have it changeable weekly like the surname. This way, no one would change it every five minutes and stress the servers (if it even does that). And I think its perfectly reasonable to be allowed to cut your hair, or style it differently. That, and choosing an appearance for a toon should not be an important decision for some because I'm sure some people like me get bored with the same look every day or didn't know what it would look like with a robe or chain or anything. Some toons, don't forget, are pre-LU19 or whenever they started showing your armor at creation. When I saw that they were going to add changeable appearance for money I was so happy. I don't care that it costs 1g, I'm just happy to be able to do it.<div></div>

sharz

04-09-2006, 09:33 PM

you can leave the island of overlord and queen with 2 gold easy for the noob that are mad at the money justgo in that cave place with the named for that quest line when you first come to the island keep going in the cave and out with a bunch of good drops<div></div>

Saihung23

04-10-2006, 02:50 AM

<div></div><blockquote><hr>skryler wrote:When the SOGA models were added everyone did have the option to change the appearance as many times as they wanted to, but then it was taken away. My suggestion was to have it changeable weekly like the surname. This way, no one would change it every five minutes and stress the servers (if it even does that). And I think its perfectly reasonable to be allowed to cut your hair, or style it differently. That, and choosing an appearance for a toon should not be an important decision for some because I'm sure some people like me get bored with the same look every day or didn't know what it would look like with a robe or chain or anything. Some toons, don't forget, are pre-LU19 or whenever they started showing your armor at creation. When I saw that they were going to add changeable appearance for money I was so happy. I don't care that it costs 1g, I'm just happy to be able to do it.<div></div><hr></blockquote><p>Know whats funny....I changed my appearance with Saihung...a few times...and still can go in and change it. The option hasnt left for me on any of my char's.</p><p>Bwahaha! I am the master of disguise! (what a horrible movie with Dana carvey)</p><p>Saihung</p>

Jai1

04-10-2006, 09:54 PM

<div></div>I think the state pays for face changes in Argentina.

Choss

04-10-2006, 11:31 PM

<div></div><p>This 1 gold isn't very expensive, honestly I think the price should be raised past 1 gold (and I'm very poor in game, I'm lucky if I usually have a gold piece left on me).</p><p> </p><p>It might be over priced for the super lowest newbies, but once I hit about 15 I'm blowing a gold or two every few days on the Goblin gambler guys, so I could easily save up some for an appearance change.</p><p> </p><p>I agree that this should be an available feature in game, but as long as it is available I don't think the price matters a lot as long as it's affordable at least at some point partway through the game.</p><p> </p><p>Most games I play do have some types of character look changing features, but it's normally never free. One system is to let other players learn the skill to do it, and to have to bug them and pay them in order to have it done (I don't just mean on games like Star Wars Galaxies, features existed like this in games since the original Dark Ages (By Nexon) since about 7 years ago). Another system is to let players pay in game currency to do it, and this usually costs a good amount of money to do. Yet another newer system that's gaining a lot of popularity is to have people pay real life money through Credit Cards and such in order to change the character looks. To be honest, I'm surprised they didn't pick that one.</p><p> </p><p>I love being able to change my looks in game and have been asking if that feature would be here ever since I very first played my first Trial of the Isle 7 months ago. I'm very happy to see it here, and find that 1 gold is a super cheap price in order to be able to do such a thing.</p>