/anon & /role

[Barq Bandit]

<div></div><div>- The Friends list no longer shows a zone name when the friend is /anon or /role.</div><div><font color="#ccffff" size="3" face="Comic Sans MS">why?  /anon i understand, but <em>why</em> /role?!</font></div><div><font color="#ccffff" size="3" face="Comic Sans MS"></font> </div><div><font color="#ccffff" size="3" face="Comic Sans MS">again and again i've asked why these two commands have to be so intertwined.  why can't they be seperate?  why can't /anon be used to restrict information, and /role be used to merely flag you as a roleplayer to others?</font></div><div><font color="#ccffff" size="3" face="Comic Sans MS"></font> </div><div><font color="#ccffff" size="3" face="Comic Sans MS">that way:</font></div><div><font color="#ccffff" size="3" face="Comic Sans MS"></font> </div><ul><li><font color="#ccffff" size="3" face="Comic Sans MS">the common non-RPer can use /anon and not misleadingly use the /role command to hide his info.</font></li><li><font color="#ccffff" size="3" face="Comic Sans MS">roleplayers who want to flag themselves as such but <em>don't</em> want to hide their info can do so (such as an RPing tradeskiller who's LFW).</font></li><li><font color="#ccffff" size="3" face="Comic Sans MS">and roleplayers who <em>want</em> to hide their info can use both to get exactly what they want.</font></li></ul><div><font color="#ccffff" size="3" face="Comic Sans MS">using /anon should do one thing:  restrict location, race, guild, and level info from other players.</font></div><div><font color="#ccffff" size="3" face="Comic Sans MS"></font> </div><div><font color="#ccffff" size="3" face="Comic Sans MS">likewise, /role should do one thing:  flag that player so that their name is red and it says <em>roleplaying</em> underneath their name in the world view.</font></div><div><font color="#ccffff" size="3" face="Comic Sans MS"></font> </div><div><font color="#ccffff" size="3" face="Comic Sans MS">and that's <em>all.</em></font></div><div><font color="#ccffff" size="3" face="Comic Sans MS"></font> </div><div><font color="#ccffff" size="3" face="Comic Sans MS">sorry, i know this must seem terribly unimportant to many others in comparison with balancing, armor stats, etc.  but coming from an RP server, this seemingly small detail has irritated me and many of the people i enjoy this game with.  it seems like such a simple and obvious detail to us, and we can't fathom why this is the way it is.</font></div><div><font color="#ccffff" size="3" face="Comic Sans MS"></font> </div>

[Rijacki]

I agree.If you are a roleplayer but have to -ever- rely on pickup groups or LFW, you can't have your /role tag on.  While the tag has zero bearing on if you are a roleplayer or not and you can roleplay perfectly fine without it, it would be nice to have a way to display you are a roleplayer and NOT have it affect a game me mechanic./role should be like in SWG, something that is marked on the /who (i.e. you can search for /who all role and get a list of those with the tag) but not something that affects how you are displayed to others.I grew to hate it in EQ1 since most people on non-RP servers (and even some on) would use it to hide their race/class/level but still display the guildname not in any way shape or form as an indicator of a desire to roleplay.If you want to have a way to hide race/class/level but not the guild tag, have 2 forms of anon.  /anon_full (only name) and /anon (name and guild). Then... let that -stack- with /role.OR suspend /role while /lfw or /lfg and resume it when either of those is off.at the same time, have a warning message to those who are anon (hiding their details) when they /lfg or /lfw that others can't see them..<div></div>

[Junkisfunk]

<div></div>I agree as well. Enough said.

[CorgarFV]

<div>I couldn't agree with you guys more.  I think an even better solution would be to create an additional tab on the persona window where you could choose the specifics of what you want to hide.  I mean give the user options, why does it have to be simply /anon or /role there should be a whole set of parameters you can pass via the command line or via an interface.</div><div> </div><div>I should be able to hide just one or all of my attributes like: race, level, guild, zone and class.  Why does it have to be all or nothing?  A small note, similar things should be done with the /lfg and /lfw tag.  Why can't I make notes in my /lfg window.  If I am looking for a group for a specific quest or zones I should be able to make note of that.  Then perhaps I wouldn't get invites for groups I have zero interest in.  Of course I am not holding my breath.</div>

[Rijacki]

<div><span><blockquote><hr>CorgarFV wrote:<div>Of course I am not holding my breath.</div><hr></blockquote>I would say "good idea, because blue does not become you"... but.. umm.. you -are- blue *smirk*Been holding your breath long?</span></div>

[ke'la]

<div></div>I agree mostly but I personally think there should be no way to hide your guild tag EVER. Why because if your a griefer or one of the many other Poor players out there having the guild tag always show it a good way for the Player base to be somewhat Self policing as if you have an issue with a toon you can take it up with thier guild leader and if its warented get something done about the issue. Or if the guild leader blows you off you will know what that guild is all about(or atleast its leadership).

[nekosuda]

<span><blockquote><hr>Barq Bandit wrote:<div></div><div><font color="#ccffff" size="3" face="Comic Sans MS">using /anon should do one thing:  restrict location, race, guild, and level info from other players.</font></div><div></div><hr></blockquote>In this vein, one more small addition. Hide pet lvls also. I have never understood why when someone does decide to go anon, that I can target their pet and see the lvl that they are trying to hide by going anon.<span></span></span><div></div>

[Nelyia]

<div></div>I fully agree with the OP - this would be a small but important change.

[Kaknya]

 <shrug> I've always thought it was pretty much a waste of time anyways. atleast when you can see the person. If you really want to see what they are, Just right click and hit inspect..<div></div>

[Rijacki]

<div></div><span><blockquote><hr>Kaknya wrote: I've always thought it was pretty much a waste of time anyways. atleast when you can see the person. If you really want to see what they are, Just right click and hit inspect..<div></div><hr></blockquote>Now, /who searches don't show the level/class/race of those who are /role or /anon, just as it does in EQ1. Sadly, this is the exact same arguement put forth in EQ1 about /role. Before the recent change to /who not revealing /role and /anon, I saw a lot more actual role players using /role and I used it myself.  Now that /role is a modified /anon and I have been /lfg and /lfw from time to time, I can't be /role even though I am a heavy roleplayer and would -much- rather be in a group that RPs than one which doesn't (and sadly, on the role play preferred server the later is more likely).</span><div></div>

[Terabethia]

<div></div><p><font color="#33ccff">I completely agree that SoE does not understand what it is we are looking for in these features. Here is what I think it should be:</font></p><p><font color="#33ccff">/anon - Does not show anything but your name. No information regarding guild, class, level, race, location... nothing!</font></p><p><font color="#33ccff">/role - Only shows your name, level and class (and maybe guild?).</font></p><p><font color="#33ccff">Friends List - I think that to place someone on your friends list, you should just have premission. Like when you want to add a friend to an IM, you have to ask them to do so with most programs. So, you should have to add them, then a message pops up to the person saying "Player XYZ wants to add you to a friends list, do you accept?". This way, I can see what my friends are doing and where, but only if they really are my friends. The reason they have blacklisted this information is solely due to raiding guilds complaining. If you are on anon, it's because you don't want the competition seeing where you are and what you are doing. If you make it so that they must accept you as a friend, you get rid of this problem.</font>  </p>

[Deson]

Actually,  before the change went in people were complaining about griefers.<div></div>

[Rijacki]

<div><span><blockquote><hr>Deson wrote:Actually,  before the change went in people were complaining about griefers.<div></div><hr></blockquote>And making it so that you need to accept someone putting you on their friends list would solve that, too.Having /role as a modified /anon means that those who want to hide details but not guild name, for whatever reason, will use /role.  It has zero to do with if a person is actually a roleplayer.  It is not a designation, as a modified /anon, of someone who it interested in roleplay or who does roleplay.Have a modified /anon, yes, but don't have it as /role.  Allow /role to be set -with- /anon so those people who want to hide details, for whatever reason, can.  Have /role simply as a dessignation without -any- mechanics (except turning the name purple for easy recognition) so that it is truly a tool for roleplayers to display their intent and desire to roleplay.</span></div>

[Kaknya]

 well.. You have connections Rijacki.. hehe.. in the words of captain picard... make it so...<div></div>

[Rijacki]

<div><span><blockquote><hr>Kaknya wrote: well.. You have connections Rijacki.. hehe.. in the words of captain picard... make it so...<div></div><hr></blockquote>Oh how I wish that was so.  But... other than a couple conversations with devs relating to tradeskilling (alchemy in particular) because they wanted a more direct input into a bug/problem, I have no more connections than anyone else. I'm an avid RPer, it annoys the sod out of me that I am -required- to drop my /role tag on the roleplay preferred server in order to have a shadow of a chance at getting a group or an alchemy order outside of my very limited friend pool who already know my levels.  I was annoyed by it on Firiona Vie, too, when I had to rely on pickups to get any grouping for a while.I know, I said that already, but.. umm.. this really does bug the sod out of me.</span></div>

[Kaknya]

heh, im sorry,.. with the post count,.. being a lord in blue, and all the posts ive seen from you, and with the most rescent fun with black.. i thought you worked for soe in some form. oh well,.. you know what they say about assuming..<div></div>

[Rijacki]

<div><span><blockquote><hr>Kaknya wrote:heh, im sorry,.. with the post count,.. being a lord in blue, and all the posts ive seen from you, and with the most rescent fun with black.. i thought you worked for soe in some form. oh well,.. you know what they say about assuming..<div></div><hr></blockquote>If I worked for them... I -might- make more than I do now, but I would have to live in a part of the state I absolutely loathe (not necessarily San Diego in particular, I loathe Southern California).  Lots of people have higher post counts.. the forum title.. umm.. I think that's a combo of post counts, read count, and time.. I've been around too long *laugh*.</span></div>

[Deson]

<span><blockquote><hr>Rijacki wrote:<div><span><blockquote><hr>Deson wrote:Actually,  before the change went in people were complaining about griefers.<div></div><hr></blockquote>And making it so that you need to accept someone putting you on their friends list would solve that, too.Having /role as a modified /anon means that those who want to hide details but not guild name, for whatever reason, will use /role.  It has zero to do with if a person is actually a roleplayer.  It is not a designation, as a modified /anon, of someone who it interested in roleplay or who does roleplay.Have a modified /anon, yes, but don't have it as /role.  Allow /role to be set -with- /anon so those people who want to hide details, for whatever reason, can.  Have /role simply as a dessignation without -any- mechanics (except turning the name purple for easy recognition) so that it is truly a tool for roleplayers to display their intent and desire to roleplay.</span></div><hr></blockquote>Didn't disagree, just pointing out that raiders were not the main force behind it. I'm personally for the system you laid out.</span><div></div>

[Melanctha]

<span><blockquote><hr>Terabethia wrote:<div></div><p><font color="#33ccff">Friends List - I think that to place someone on your friends list,<b><font color="#ffccff"> you should just have premission</font></b>. Like when you want to add a friend to an IM, you have to ask them to do so with most programs. So, you should have to add them, then a message pops up to the person saying "Player XYZ wants to add you to a friends list, do you accept?". This way, I can see what my friends are doing and where, but only if they really are my friends. The reason they have blacklisted this information is solely due to raiding guilds complaining. If you are on anon, it's because you don't want the competition seeing where you are and what you are doing. If you make it so that they must accept you as a friend, you get rid of this problem.</font>  </p><hr></blockquote><font size="2" color="#ffccff">QFE!</font></span><div></div>

[Tehom]

<div></div>I'm in agreement with other posters here. Further coupling of /role and /anon functionality has been a terrible inconvenience for me, particularly when trying to form groups of other roleplayers.

[Sem]

<div></div><p>CorgarFV wrote:</p><p> I think an even better solution would be to create an additional tab on the persona window where you could choose the specifics of what you want to hide. </p><p></p><hr><p>Excellent idea.</p>

[Icarii_Raven`Lyon]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Melanctha wrote:<BR><SPAN><BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Terabethia wrote:<BR> <P><FONT color=#33ccff>Friends List - I think that to place someone on your friends list,<B><FONT color=#ffccff> you should just have premission</FONT></B>. Like when you want to add a friend to an IM, you have to ask them to do so with most programs. So, you should have to add them, then a message pops up to the person saying "Player XYZ wants to add you to a friends list, do you accept?". This way, I can see what my friends are doing and where, but only if they really are my friends. The reason they have blacklisted this information is solely due to raiding guilds complaining. If you are on anon, it's because you don't want the competition seeing where you are and what you are doing. If you make it so that they must accept you as a friend, you get rid of this problem.</FONT>  </P><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE><FONT color=#ffccff size=2>QFE!</FONT><BR></SPAN> <BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE>Someone help me here...what does qfe mean?<BR>

[Barq Bandit]

<FONT face="Comic Sans MS" color=#ccffff size=3>quoted for emphasis.  in other words, they agree with what they quoted and highlighted.</FONT>

[Icarii_Raven`Lyon]

<DIV>Thank you kindly <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /></DIV>

[cr0wangel]

<div></div>Just one thing, no need to change the color of the roleplayer tag, purple/pink is fine, just give NO special color to the /anon, so they will look like any others players + their info hidden. What is the point to be anonymous if your name turn purple anyway.... /anon to hide your info and it doesn't change the color of your name, /role to tag you as roleplayer and change the color of your name<div></div><p>Message Edited by cr0wangel on <span class=date_text>04-18-2006</span> <span class=time_text>03:08 AM</span>

[Mywolveri]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> CorgarFV wrote:<BR> <DIV>I couldn't agree with you guys more.  I think an even better solution would be to create an additional tab on the persona window where you could choose the specifics of what you want to hide.  I mean give the user options, why does it have to be simply /anon or /role there should be a whole set of parameters you can pass via the command line or via an interface.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>I should be able to hide just one or all of my attributes like: race, level, guild, zone and class.  Why does it have to be all or nothing?  A small note, similar things should be done with the /lfg and /lfw tag.  Why can't I make notes in my /lfg window.  If I am looking for a group for a specific quest or zones I should be able to make note of that.  Then perhaps I wouldn't get invites for groups I have zero interest in.  Of course I am not holding my breath.</DIV><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE><BR>Pefect! Put it in the next major update as this should clear up many issues we have with the "anon" and "role" features.

[Emerix]

100 % agree here . No idea why they changed it the way it is now .. its just very silly .