Warlock Spell BUG

[Cozumel]

Null Dist. Training @ 54 (for Master 2) is BETTER than lvl 65 Adept-1.Unless You can find a MASTER-1 Void Distortion, there's NO reason to train the lvl 65 spell (Even if it is 11 levels higher)Please Fix.<div></div>

[Magu]

I don't think that's a bug.<div></div>

[Magiocracy]

<div></div>All the T7 upgrades are like this, they're pretty feeble.

[Lord Montague]

<div></div><div></div>This comes as no surprise to me.  Once I had a T5 Master II, and when I got the T6 upgrade the difference was marginal until I got it at Adept III.  Masters are not easy to replace.<p>Message Edited by Lord Montague on <span class="date_text">03-16-2006</span><span class="time_text">08:31 AM</span></p>

[AngelVyxen]

<div></div>Pretty much all my T6 masters and adept 3s were better than any Adept 1 T7 scroll.  I even kept some T5 masters over T7 adepts until I could get them upgraded to Adept 3..that's just the way it is.  It's actually good, since it means that any adepts you upgrade or masters you get won't be 100% useless after an expansion day.

[AngelVyxen]

<div></div><blockquote><hr>Unless You can find a MASTER-1 Void Distortion, there's NO reason to train the lvl 65 spell (Even if it is 11 levels higher)Please Fix.<div></div><hr></blockquote>You mean there's no reason to train the Adept 1.  I have a Master Void Distortion, but I can almost guarantee the Adept 3 will be an upgrade for you.  A good use of a moonstone imho.

[MilkToa]

<div></div>The adept 3 is an upgrade.

[IllusiveThoughts]

<div></div><blockquote><hr>Magiocracy wrote:<div></div>All the T7 upgrades are like this, they're pretty feeble.<hr></blockquote><p>*most of them are*</p><p>fortify adept 1 is better than augmentation master 1.</p><p>m2 ball of incineration, is almost equal to adept 1 ball of flames.  and ball of flames adp3 is only 400 more points of dmg for a 15% power cost increase.</p><p> </p><p>its pretty obvious they slowed the spell progression for kos and t7.</p>

[Lyasa]

a great many spells are like this. including t3 vs t4 spells.an example.defiler lv 24 master2 choice "Degeneration" = 20% slow 12.2% dps reductiondefiler lv 38 "apathy" adept 1 = 18% slow, 10% dps reduction (estimated)even better.defiler lv 52 slow "degenerate" app1 =  18.5% slow , 12.5% dps reduction (estimated)(for reference the master 2 version is 25% slow and 18% dps reduction)30 levels is pretty good run for 1 spell i think.<div></div>

[KBern]

<div></div><p>Yep basically the rule seems to be if you have a master or master 2, you will only be upgrading this with another master or a very small increase with a new ad3 (but is it worth it then if you are short on cash).</p><p>Just be selective and before you buy that adept 1 or app 4 of your new spell off the broker for 50gp, examine it and the spell you have and you probably do not need the new one.</p>

[IllusiveThoughts]

<div></div><p>while I can agree on the issues pointed out here about using a previous tier's master instead of a newer tiered adp3,</p><p>you have to also factor in the resist modifiyer, and that comes into play alot.  10% less resists will actually over time be more beneficial than say an adp3 of the next tier which has a lower resistablity factor, and a higher power cost to boot.</p><p>The problem is that the current system for kos, does not encourage you to go out and get your spell upgrades from 60-70 if you had a lot of masters for t6.  I find that in-itself a problem.</p>

[Tomanak]

<div></div><blockquote><hr>IllusiveThoughts wrote:<div></div><p>while I can agree on the issues pointed out here about using a previous tier's master instead of a newer tiered adp3,</p><p>you have to also factor in the resist modifiyer, and that comes into play alot.  <strong>10% less resists will actually over time be more beneficial than say an adp3 of the next tier which has a lower resistablity factor</strong>, and a higher power cost to boot.</p><p>The problem is that the current system for kos, does not encourage you to go out and get your spell upgrades from 60-70 if you had a lot of masters for t6.  I find that in-itself a problem.</p><hr></blockquote><p>Very good point.  According to Moorguard:</p><p><strong>The level of the spell itself does not affect its chances of being resisted.</strong> <strong>That is determined by the caster's level and skill, as well as the resistability factor listed in the examine info (which is in turn determined by its quality tier).</strong></p><p>In other words, if a level 40 Master II provides more benefit and less resistability than a level 54 Adept I, by all means use the level 40 spell.</p><p><a target="_blank" href="http://eqiiforums.station.sony.com/eq2/board/message?board.id=spells&message.id=9347#M9347">http://eqiiforums.station.sony.com/eq2/board/message?board.id=spells&message.id=9347#M9347</a></p><p>That in essence means that if you have a T6 master I or II that  has a T7 upgrade  that doesnt provide a substantial boost over the T6 master there is not only no need to upgrade the skill, you would actually be hurting yourself by doing so.</p>

[KBern]

<div></div>That's the post I was looking talking about.