Possible Godking Exploit (again)

[Iggyopalus]

<div>*Edit*</div><div> </div><div>Good point, I'll just feedback it</div><p>Message Edited by Iggyopalus on <span class="date_text">02-20-2006</span><span class="time_text">10:48 PM</span></p>

[Kyriel]

<div></div><blockquote><hr>Iggyopalus wrote:<div>You now have to finish the wrapping it all up quest 30min after killing godking.</div><div> </div><div>You could still zone in, then wait 20 hours before killing godking so that you could kill the godking and then start zoning in people to finish the quest asap.<font color="#ffff00"><strong> I know you're thinking nobody would do this,</strong> </font>but coming from a server that just had a guild open the zone to anyone and everyone that wanted that update, plus that the leader of this has made the comment that the fix will just make this harder to do but not actually stop it, I figured I would mention it.</div><div> </div><div>Who knows, if we're lucky the person that put this together will not be around when this patch goes live, I just wouldn't want to see it happen on other servers as well.</div><div> </div><div>Thankyou in advance <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /></div><hr></blockquote>Well thanks to posting this, now EVERYBODY will think of it <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />

[Timzil]

<div></div><blockquote><hr>Iggyopalus wrote:<div>You now have to finish the wrapping it all up quest 30min after killing godking.</div><div> </div><div>You could still zone in, then wait 20 hours before killing godking so that you could kill the godking and then start zoning in people to finish the quest asap. I know you're thinking nobody would do this, but coming from a server that just had a guild open the zone to anyone and everyone that wanted that update, plus that the leader of this has made the comment that the fix will just make this harder to do but not actually stop it, I figured I would mention it.</div><div> </div><div>Who knows, if we're lucky the person that put this together will not be around when this patch goes live, I just wouldn't want to see it happen on other servers as well.</div><div> </div><div>Thankyou in advance <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /></div><hr></blockquote>Wow, so like people are like getting to finish a quest. That's like horrible!

[Cabel]

haha nice try, iggy<div></div>

[AbsentmindedMage]

I would like to see the game server try to stay up for 20 hours...  <span>:smileywink:</span><div></div>

[Bwatu]

<div>My guild did this for people. so what. some might say "well i had to work hard to get it done. its not fair". not everyone is in a raid guild. we helped out anyone that had finished the quest up to killing godking. guess we are bad for trying to help people. sometimes it is good to be bad.</div><div> </div><div>Udari</div><div>Dominion</div>

[Iggyopalus]

<div>lol [expletive haxx0red by Raijinn] quotes</div>

[Dystopya]

We really cought alot of hell for doing this from a bunch of jerks on crushbone, glad to see that not everyone thinks that doing something nice is bad <img src="/smilies/69934afc394145350659cd7add244ca9.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /><div></div>

[Cabel]

<div></div><blockquote><hr>Dystopya wrote:We really cought alot of hell for doing this from a bunch of jerks on crushbone, glad to see that not everyone thinks that doing something nice is bad <img src="/smilies/69934afc394145350659cd7add244ca9.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /><div></div><hr></blockquote>Yep, what we did on Crushbone wasn't an exploit.  It's just helping people out.  Your every day Joe who won't do it on his own because he hasn't the tools to get it done.

[KirikaNo]

<div><span><blockquote><hr>Cabel wrote:<div></div><blockquote><hr>Dystopya wrote:We really cought alot of hell for doing this from a bunch of jerks on crushbone, glad to see that not everyone thinks that doing something nice is bad <img src="/smilies/69934afc394145350659cd7add244ca9.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /><div></div><hr></blockquote>Yep, what we did on Crushbone wasn't an exploit.  It's just helping people out.  Your every day Joe who won't do it on his own because he hasn't the tools to get it done.<hr></blockquote>It wasn't an exploit huh?  That's why it's being changed in LU 20 right?  Because that's how they intended it to be... so they're changing it.  Have fun being the most made fun of guild on the largest server in EQ2!</span></div>

[WAPCE]

<blockquote><hr>Dystopya wrote:We really cought alot of hell for doing this from a bunch of jerks on crushbone, glad to see that not everyone thinks that doing something nice is bad <img src="/smilies/69934afc394145350659cd7add244ca9.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /><div></div><hr></blockquote>You knowingly proceeded to use an exploit that is being fixed in LU20. You violated the EULA. End of story.

[Niuan]

<div></div><blockquote><hr>WAPCE wrote:<blockquote><hr>Dystopya wrote:We really cought alot of hell for doing this from a bunch of jerks on crushbone, glad to see that not everyone thinks that doing something nice is bad <img src="/smilies/69934afc394145350659cd7add244ca9.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /><div></div><hr></blockquote>You knowingly proceeded to use an exploit that is being fixed in LU20. You violated the EULA. End of story.<hr></blockquote>I think Exploit is a pretty powerful word that has been thrown around too much.  I can also guarantee that if I could understand the FULL meaning of EULA [that is longer than our countries declaration of independance and written twice as hard to understand]  I would not be wasting my time playing a video game... I would be on my yacht <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />

[Cabel]

<div>The only people making fun of us, are those who didn't think of it first, or those who don't think anybody but them should have the best gear.  Nice try though.  It's no exploit. </div><div> </div><div>Everybody, besides the other end-game raiding guilds, praise us and continually send me tells of thanks.</div><div> </div><div> </div>

[MexStrat]

<div>If SoE thought of this as a major exploit.  I am sure they could change the quest requirements, to include killing the Godking himself.  My belief on them changing the timer is just to prevent the holding the zone open for an eternity(or as long as servers will stay up).   Not do to the exploit but do to the fact these instance are designed for that.</div><div> </div><div>As far as exploits,  there are several 'Work Arrounds" within the game.  things that some would consider exploits, while others believe them to be cool things to discover and use. </div><div> </div><div>If someone has done the entire quest line for the godking weapon, upto the point of the final raid.  They proved they are worthy IMHO.  If a raid guild feels generous enough to open the doors for these people to get the final updates.  I commend them.   These people have achieved a great deal... yet they well not share in any of the loot that dropped in the Fountain of Life.  They will not experience the excitement and/or frustration of attemting and finishing the zone. </div><div> </div><div>Well that is my 2cp.   Very nice of you to help out others. </div>

[KirikaNo]

<div><span><blockquote><hr>Cabel wrote:<div>The only people making fun of us, are those who didn't think of it first, or those who don't think anybody but them should have the best gear.  Nice try though.  It's no exploit. </div><div> </div><div>Everybody, besides the other end-game raiding guilds, praise us and continually send me tells of thanks.</div><div> </div><div> </div><hr></blockquote>Sure we thought of it, we're just not stupid enough to do it.  You know you guys are being investigated by the GMs right?  Also... sorry to say that prismatic 2.0 isn't the "best gear."It's an exploit.  You used a game mechanic in a situation it was not supposed to be used in.  You exploited it.You're not end-game.  You killed an EASY raid mob a couple of days before the next tier comes out.  You're mid level or so, maybe.  You're not the server saviors, you're content trivializers and you're making the hard work that people put into this quest null and void by handing out updates for nothing.</span></div>

[Lerath_Litefo]

Think of it this way... If you found a loophole in the system to hold a master chest open and anyone who came along and clicked on it got a free fabled item, would you call that an exploit? I certainly would. How is this any different? You're allowing people to bypass content and obtain a fabled item without any effort of having to actually kill the required mob needed to legitimately acquire the item. It's an exploit pure and simple.Thanks to your actions, you just made it that much more difficult for those guilds who actually kill the Godking to get all of their updates before the new timer runs out on them. Thanks for the "help".

[Landiin]

<div></div><blockquote><p></p><hr><p>KirikaNoir wrote:<span></p><div>Sure we thought of it, we're just not stupid enough to do it.  You know you guys are being investigated by the GMs right?  Also... sorry to say that prismatic 2.0 isn't the "best gear."It's an exploit.  You used a game mechanic in a situation it was not supposed to be used in.  You exploited it.You're not end-game.  You killed an EASY raid mob a couple of days before the next tier comes out.  You're mid level or so, maybe.  You're not the server saviors, you're content trivializers and you're making the hard work that people put into this quest null and void by handing out updates for nothing.</span></div><hr></blockquote><p>ROFLMA how stupid. I am sure they are scared now.. If a GM was going to do anything about it they would of already. The GM's are ROFLTAO at you just in case you didn't know.</p><p>THey are not stopping you from doing it in LU20 so its NOT A FRACKING EXPLOIT. So ST*U please.</p>

[GoToHellKitty]

<div>Kirika:</div><div>I fail to see what your rehashing server drama that most people have gotten over already has to do with In Testing Feedback.</div><div> </div><div>Your cronie came here looking to incite the community on the "awful, horrendous, game-breaking actions" of a few people on Crushbone, and he failed. Your coming here and egging people on isn't going to bring this to where you want it to go.</div><div> </div><div>Look around--read other server forums. This has happened everywhere. You have petitioned the incident on Crushbone and we're awaiting this investigation of which you speak. Good for you! Now is the time for you to breathe deeply, and get over it. It's out of your hands, your part is done. Move on.</div><div> </div><div>Simply because you feel you sit on the throne over Crushbone doesn't mean anyone outside of the server cares. So leave it there where you can pretend you feel important.</div>

[KirikaNo]

<div><span><blockquote><hr>GoToHellKitty wrote:<div>Kirika:</div><div>I fail to see what your rehashing server drama that most people have gotten over already has to do with In Testing Feedback.</div><div> </div><div>Your cronie came here looking to incite the community on the "awful, horrendous, game-breaking actions" of a few people on Crushbone, and he failed. Your coming here and egging people on isn't going to bring this to where you want it to go.</div><div> </div><div>Look around--read other server forums. This has happened everywhere. You have petitioned the incident on Crushbone and we're awaiting this investigation of which you speak. Good for you! Now is the time for you to breathe deeply, and get over it. It's out of your hands, your part is done. Move on.</div><div> </div><div>Simply because you feel you sit on the throne over Crushbone doesn't mean anyone outside of the server cares. So leave it there where you can pretend you feel important.</div><hr></blockquote>If you think I'm staying up nights over this you're wrong.  Believe it or not, the EQII forums are my hobby at work to keep me entertained during downtimes.The reason I'm still talking about this is... well... mostly because Sovereign's leadership used and exploit to try and become the awesome Crushbone "server saviors" and have continued to argue that what they did was not an exploit.  I don't even know the OP of this post, I just saw that it was being talked about.  Also keep in mind that Malefic used to be a guild on Crushbone and they used an exploit to turn in a heritage quest over and over to quickly gain guild levels.  Malefic was reset to level 1 and those involved had their accounts suspended.What kind of justice would it be when Sovereign not only uses an exploit to their OWN benefit, but to the benefit of total strangers, completely and openly and yet does not get punished?  What they did is at least 30x worse that what Malefic did, and Malefic was punished severely.  Why is Sovereign any different?  Why do they think that things that they do contrary to the way the game is supposed to work are somehow protected and "ok"?  In case you failed to notice, it is not ONLY Elysium that has been upset over this.  Here's a short list of guilds whose members have complained in one way or another...No DebtFallen DisciplesThe Last WordParagonTemplarios EliteNoctournal SoulsLegendsOn top of that, people who COULD have benefited from this exploit and chose NOT to are also upset.This isn't me vs. the world.  This is gamers who have earned their gear complaining about that "earning" being trivialized because all one has to do is wait for some "generous" folks out to earn new recruits to finish the quest for them.I see no difference between what happened here and duping.  The same argument could apply.  Not EVERYONE can get out there and farm money to keep up with spells/skills, so if they are able to artifically create money, GREAT!  Everyone should be entitled to the same amount of money and thus the same amount of fun to keep up with each other!  DUPE AWAY!Nope, sorry, not gonna fly.  Exploits are exploits.</span></div>

[dremtak]

it's funny you list those guilds arkia........half the ones you said are upset had members that came and got the update.pick a new hobby please...............your constant whining and stomping of the feet of injustice is tired and old.............quite frankly im sure the everquest community is not gonna take seriously the thoughts of someone that finds posting  inappropriate pictures and constant bashing of almost every single person outside your guild.  to seriously.what we did was not an exploit.....in fact its something that has been done on other servers and has welcomed much praise. was praise somthing we sought after for doing this.......no,. simply wanted to do somthing nice for people that were unable to get the update on there own.as far as your guild goes...............scratch that............some in your guild...........you guys are guilty of breaking so many game rules it isnt even funny.....its down right disturbing, i'd list them here but i know that is breaking forum rules of listing exploits so i will hold my tongue.in closing .....grow upit's a gamebut i guess for you its real lifeso sad<span>:smileysad:</span><div></div>

[mojofluf]

<span><blockquote><hr>Arktard wrote<span>Nope, sorry, not gonna fly.  Exploits are exploits</span><hr></blockquote></span>Yea...K whatever call me when you are a dev for SOE....have fun in DDO online arkia.

[GoToHellKitty]

<div>You list those guilds (one of which openly admits to holding the zone open as well), Kirika, but we've heard from several members of them in support of our actions. And I don't remember anywhere anyone announcing you as their spokesperson. If members of their guild have an issue, they are welcome to petition it as well. As it stands, you are 'representing' a handful of people on crushbone...and yes even if you combined all the members of the guilds you listed it would still be a handful...and choosing to speak for them. Regardless of how hard you may try, you will never have a true sampling of the attitudes on Crushbone in regards to this matter. And even if you were to truly represent the attitudes of everyone, Sony still holds the cards--regardless of how much sand you try to throw. You don't speak for the masses whatsoever--your guild is a source of ridicule even more than ours could ever try to live up to--and you drag around your server drama to people who hardly care what happens on Crushbone in an attempt to justify yourself.</div><div> </div><div>And as for connnnstantly bringing up Malefic--they exploited a glitch in the system that Sony did not intend, and rather than report it they used it to their advantage--the bug gave them a true advantage over everyone on the server. What we did didn't give us an advantage over anyone--it didn't give the server populace that took part in it an advantage (all they have now is ashiny new weapon that is meant to be obtained by players).</div><div> </div><div>We helped people finish a quest, that is all. The quest and updates themselves are 'working as intended' otherwise Sony would have changed the update process by now. Instead, they are closing the window of time you have to get your update after the Godking kill. Does this prevent a mass exodus of updates? Yes. Does it prevent people that did not take part in the kill from getting their update? No.</div><div> </div><div>If you want a true comparison of what we did, use the Robe of the Invoker rock spawn. The rock used to be a constant spawn--anyone could get the update at any time. Sony decided that this wasn't their original plan--they wanted the rock to spawn, but not to always be up. So they made a patch stating that the spawn would change. And as soon as the patch notes went up, EVERYone ran to Feerrott and grabbed their quest starter before the change went through. No one was banned or reprimanded for obtaining their quest starter regardless of when or how they got it. What we did was no different than clearing the way to that rock spawn so that a lower level could get it. As was the case with the rock spawn and FoL entry, Sony posted the fix well in advance of the patch go-live, 'advertising' these 'exploits'.</div>

[KirikaNo]

<div><span><blockquote><hr>mojofluffy wrote:<span><blockquote><hr>Arktard wrote<span>Nope, sorry, not gonna fly.  Exploits are exploits</span><hr></blockquote></span>Yea...K whatever call me when you are a dev for SOE....have fun in DDO online arkia.<hr></blockquote>Already tried DDO, didn't like it.  I'll stick around and continue to be real cool in EQ2 instead ok?</span></div>