Is there a plan to remove status points in the next update for unguilded people?

[Canadi]

<div><a target="_blank" href="http://eqiiforums.station.sony.com/eq2/board/message?board.id=gameplay&message.id=22719&view=by_date_ascending&page=14">http://eqiiforums.station.sony.com/eq2/board/message?board.id=gameplay&message.id=22719&view=by_date_ascending&page=14</a></div><div> </div><div>I would like to make a suggestion that status points be removed from people who aren't guilded. Either that or I would like to suggest that there be an avenue where they can spend the points that they have earned.   Any feedback would be appreciated.   Sorry if this isn't the appropriate forum, but I wasn't quite sure where to ask.</div><div> </div><div>Cana</div>

[Willias]

<div></div><font size="3"><font size="2">I personally hope they keep the current system in game.  On Najena, before I joined a guild, it was POINTLESS for me to carry around all those little status items.  They don't sell for that much to vendors, so they're near worthless to someone who can't get status points from them.  I actually sold some of them to the status vendors early on, thinking I'd get the points from them.  At least the way it is now, you can get the points from selling said status items without having to be in a guild, there's a good use for the items.  Also, you can raise faction now by doing writs and get more status without being in a guild.  While there isn't anything to buy (wether Sony hasn't allowed it yet, or won't allow it at all) it does give you the chance to raise status points and faction on your character before joining a guild.  What's wrong with that?</font></font><div></div><p>Message Edited by Willias on <span class="date_text">02-20-2006</span><span class="time_text">02:30 PM</span></p>

[mysticalone]

<div></div><p>wow don't remove the status points people can be in between guilds or something or be banking them till they find a guild they actualy want to be a part of</p><p>that would be like 2 million writs and 10 heritage quests down the drain for a lot of people</p><p>yeah they should give an avenue that non guilded can use their points but if they can't and are accumulating them till they find a guild to join that they want to stick with that's like the ultimate slap in the face and i could here accounts slamming shut from here as people loose 100's of thousands of points ....</p>

[Magu]

You can spend status. Get high enough faction with one of the factions.Or start a 1-person guild and level it up to buy guild rewards.<div></div>

[Jal]

Status is for guilds, if they gave access to city merchants for solo players all youd be able to get with no guild is base level stuff which isnt worth wasting status on really.Your guild manages to reach a milestone and unlock the rewards then you get to spend your status, if you prefer to be unguilded then you get nothing. Its the something for nothing principle, i dont raid high end so i dont get the uber fabled items even though id like them, should i be able to quest for the same drops just because it suits my playstyle more than raiding? No.SOE are not barring anyone from doing anything in game they put restrictions on how you get things not who gets things. Want to spend status rewards join a guild, its your choice to not be guilded.

[Magu]

Except they don't get nothing for being unguilded. As I mentioned, the FACTION merchants will still sell things.<div></div>

[Jal]

<blockquote><hr>Magus` wrote:Except they don't get nothing for being unguilded. As I mentioned, the FACTION merchants will still sell things.<div></div><hr></blockquote>Yes but i doubt thats what most people are after, the clothes/titles/mounts are the more coveted items.Plus it takes a huge amount of work to get the factional standing, ive done so many writs but i still only have the first level faction with the qeynos guard and close to first level with the mages, scouts, priests.

[Magu]

Still, the option is there <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />If they don't want to work for it, why should we care? They want to use status points as they weren't originally meant to be used, so it doesn't really matter if they have to do a little extra work.<div></div>

[Canadi]

<div>so in other words I should be a good little lemming and join all my alts to a guild..to fit in with the elitist status quo...ahh ok gotcha.  thanks.</div>

[Jal]

<blockquote><hr>Canadina wrote:<div>so in other words I should be a good little lemming and join all my alts to a guild..to fit in with the elitist status quo...ahh ok gotcha. thanks.</div><hr></blockquote>Eh?You join a guild so you can take part in guild events, play the game with likeminded people and have fun. Its not an elitist status quo its a major part of most MMO's.I had my own guild just me and my alts for a time and ground up to level 6 but honestly i hated it because its nice to have an active guildchat, if you like playing solo thats your choice and not anything evil made just to persecute the minority.

[Magu]

<div><span><blockquote><hr>Canadina wrote:<div>so in other words I should be a good little lemming and join all my alts to a guild..to fit in with the elitist status quo...ahh ok gotcha.  thanks.</div><hr></blockquote>If you want the GUILD rewards, yes.It's pretty simple. You either want guild rewards and you join a guild, or you stay apart and you don't get them.</span></div>

[Sritt]

<div>You can also spend status points on status rent places unguilded now. About the only thing you can't spend status on is the guild level items.</div>

[valkyrja]

<div><span><blockquote><hr>Sritthh wrote:<div>You can also spend status points on status rent places unguilded now. About the only thing you can't spend status on is the guild level items.</div><hr></blockquote>Actually, the ability to get one of those house was a guild reward.  Se we now have one less guild reward.</span></div>

[Canadi]

<div>Well..at least they have thrown the unguilded something for their time and effort.  Thanks SOE. <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /></div><div> </div><div>As for one less guild reward..isn't it STILL a guild reward? How is that taken away from you?   By the way, I AM guilded..but I do have alts I play that aren't.   My beef was that ..we gain the sp pts but we can't do anything with them.  If you earn them you should be able to spend them..regardless if in a guild or not.   It does not take away from guilds..it just encourages a guildless person to keep playing til they do maybe find a guild that they feel is appropriate.   I have over the years, been known to join a guild..discover that they weren't "all that" in the way they do things ie...ordering you to do this or that with your character, when you actually had the opposite plan in mind........and quit the guild the same day citing differences of outlook on the game.   I tend to be rebellious when held down by too many rules...and people who think they know what is best for me.   I know what is best for me and I will choose that avenue, be it guilded or not.</div><div> </div><div>Thanks for your time,</div><div>Cana</div>

[valkyrja]

It's one less reward because if you can get it without reaching a certain guild level, there is no bonus for reaching that level.. Thus, it is no longer a reward.<div></div>

[Sritt]

<div></div>Hmm I was able to rent 2-room houses with a level 1 guild so not sure how or if that was a guild reward at all. And honestly what kind of a guild reward is it to get the same 2-room apartment as every other one just with some status point rent instead of all coin. The horse discounts are much more noticable than the status point rents. I'm still paying 1 gold plus change a week, plus 2700 status (down from around 6000 status due to items in my house). The non status verion is something like 2 gold and change in rent. It may be 'one less reward' but its a minor reward that many don't even take advantage of. Most of my old guild still had their rooms in their home village and only used it for offline selling.

[mysticalone]

<div></div><blockquote><hr>Canadina wrote:<div>so in other words I should be a good little lemming and join all my alts to a guild..to fit in with the elitist status quo...ahh ok gotcha.  thanks.</div><hr></blockquote><p>i dont care if you join a guild and my guild certainly isn't elitist it exists so that people can spend their faction and is just a group of people who are friends and we chat and gossip and have fun</p><p>anyhow just cause you don't want to join a guild please don't think that everyone should llooose their faction points that they are banking cause you see no use to them</p><p>and as for the elitist the titles and "uber mounts" and stuff is the elitist stuff so if you dont want em you don't need to be in a guild then</p><p>as for me i am in a guild and hold no uber titles or have any uber horses but i sure as heck have the status for it and i am waiting for that fateful day where i will see something that truly tickles my fancy and i wll blow the whole lot on it</p><p>but join a guild or not but what you want is to penalize those who are banking faction while unguilded which i am against also the status housing in the main game in qeynos and freeport i'm not sure how many spend faction on that while in a guild but i don't since the rent if you are the right level is not that big a deal</p><p>im hogging my faction for that very special single item which will probably be the fastest and niftiest horse i can get</p><p>anyhow i join guilds cause i like the people and the company and stuff not to be uber if they just happen to be a decent level great</p>

[Jaffa Tamarin]

<span><blockquote><hr>sparql wrote:It's one less reward because if you can get it without reaching a certain guild level, there is no bonus for reaching that level.. Thus, it is no longer a reward.<div></div><hr></blockquote>Being able to spend status points on house rent while unguilded is for the benefit of people who were in a guild, bought a house, and have since left the guild.  I've seen no indication that it's possible to buy a status-rent house while unguilded.</span><div></div>

[Canadi]

<div></div>Jaffa its been given this last LU update.  Its mentioned somewhere in here...hang on I will find it again.

[Canadi]

<div><p>but join a guild or not but what you want is to penalize those who are banking faction while unguilded which i am against also the status housing in the main game in qeynos and freeport i'm not sure how many spend faction on that while in a guild but i don't since the rent if you are the right level is not that big a deal - end quote</p><p>Mystical one..you totally missed my point..don't think you read my opening post.   The REASON I posted this in the first place is this.....unguilded people (some don't want to join a guild through reasons of their own)  earn these status points..matter of fact SOE this update has given them even more ways to earn the status points.   My whole point behind this...is  why allow unguilded people the opportunity earn these points, if you won't allow them to spend them on things they need or whatever...thats my WHOLE point.    I am NOT advocating that anyone...come and take away the rewards for guilds.  I am advocating a separate system whereby..a person can spend their PERSONAL status points on things they want.  I am NOT advocating they should get something for free without working for it..  I am not advocating that they should get something ..that is the same status as someone guilded.    I don't know how many times I have tried to explain this, and people just jump to conclusions, and go on the "oh  they just want something for nothing bandwagon."</p><p>   No...if they have sp points..they earned them, that means they did all the hard work required...BY THEMSELVES.   I am just saying fair is fair...make a separate system ..rewards for Personal status items..not guild status items.</p><p>Don't know how much more clearly I can enunciate this. </p><p>Cana</p></div>

[Jaffa Tamarin]

<div></div><blockquote><hr>Canadina wrote:<div></div>Jaffa its been given this last LU update.  Its mentioned somewhere in here...hang on I will find it again.<hr></blockquote><p>LU notes say:</p><p>"You can now use status points to pay for house upkeep even if you are not in a guild."</p><p>I take this to mean you can use status to pay rent on a status-rent house that you already own, not that you can buy a status-rent house.  Unless someone has tested in-game and been able to buy a status-rent house while not in a guild, I doubt that it's possible (and if it is possible, it's probably a bug rather than what was intended).</p>

[Rijacki]

<div><span><blockquote><hr>Canadina wrote:<div><p>but join a guild or not but what you want is to penalize those who are banking faction while unguilded which i am against also the status housing in the main game in qeynos and freeport i'm not sure how many spend faction on that while in a guild but i don't since the rent if you are the right level is not that big a deal - end quote</p><p>Mystical one..you totally missed my point..don't think you read my opening post.   The REASON I posted this in the first place is this.....unguilded people (some don't want to join a guild through reasons of their own)  earn these status points..matter of fact SOE this update has given them even more ways to earn the status points.   My whole point behind this...is  why allow unguilded people the opportunity earn these points, if you won't allow them to spend them on things they need or whatever...thats my WHOLE point.    I am NOT advocating that anyone...come and take away the rewards for guilds.  I am advocating a separate system whereby..a person can spend their PERSONAL status points on things they want.  I am NOT advocating they should get something for free without working for it..  I am not advocating that they should get something ..that is the same status as someone guilded.    I don't know how many times I have tried to explain this, and people just jump to conclusions, and go on the "oh  they just want something for nothing bandwagon."</p><p>   No...if they have sp points..they earned them, that means they did all the hard work required...BY THEMSELVES.   I am just saying fair is fair...make a separate system ..rewards for Personal status items..not guild status items.</p><p>Don't know how much more clearly I can enunciate this.</p></div><hr></blockquote>I don't recall where it was posted by a red name, but... if you gain enough personal faction, that faction will open up certain things for you to buy based on your -own- faction standing, nothing relating to the guild.  City Merchants would still be guild level related, though, since that is connected to the guild level, the work of the guild as a whole.</span></div>

[Sritt]

<div>Personal points were always there when you left a guild, but weren't visible since you couldn't spend them. Due to people being upset about having to hold off on HQs and missing out on writs if unguilded. The devs then made it so you could spend and earn status points while unguilded since these were your personal status points after all not the guild's points. If you are guilded than the guild gets a 'kickback' from the points you earn. Since when in a guild your actions reflect on your guild the guild gets some status when you get status (about 1/25th of what you receive as a 100 point loot item gets 4 guild status points). The city factions have always sold items based on your faction standing with that group and not based on your guild level. The general city merchants and the stables are the places that offer different items based on guild level, and even with the changes you can only get those items if in a guild of the approriate level. I know this because I left a level 30 guild (buying my sir title first), and joined another guild at level 23. I no longer met the requirements to buy the sir title (but don't lose it since I did buy it). All that has changed is that you can now buy faction related items, pay status-rent, do writs for faction/status, and earn status points while unguilded. The guilds really haven't lost anything and if you want the best status cost items you will still need to be in a guild, its the only thing giving guilds an incentive to level.</div>

[Rhianni]

<div></div>cant an unguilded person use status to pay for rent on a house and also reduce the cost for mounts?

[Deson]

http://eqiiforums.station.sony.com/eq2/board/message?board.id=gameplay&message.id=30377&jump=trueThat's where Dymus said factions were spearate from guild levels. Thread is also a proposal for creation of a parallel rewards system and constructive feedback  is encouraged. Rewards, how the system would advance, are all very welcome ideas. Flames however, are not.<div></div>

[MrAdequate]

I took one of my alts that is unguilded and tried to buy a status apartment today.  You still can't do it f you're not in a guild of the appropriate level.  The only thing the update changed was that you can continue to use status points for rent if you bought the house while guilded and then left the guild.<div></div>

[Karlen]

You should be allowed to spend status regardless of your guild affiliation, except for items that require a certain guild level.  Non-guilded people have no guild level and therefore should not get the benefit of high guild level.Non-guilded people should be allowed to earn faction with the writ-givers.   These do not require guild level.  (Can they do this now?)<div></div>

[Deson]

<div></div><span><blockquote><hr>Zotar99 wrote:You should be allowed to spend status regardless of your guild affiliation, except for items that require a certain guild level.  Non-guilded people have no guild level and therefore should not get the benefit of high guild level.Non-guilded people should be allowed to earn faction with the writ-givers.   These do not require guild level.  (Can they do this now?)<div></div><hr></blockquote>Yes they can. Dymus said it herehttp://eqiiforums.station.sony.com/eq2/board/message?board.id=gameplay&message.id=30377&jump=true</span><div></div><p>Message Edited by Deson on <span class="date_text">03-03-2006</span><span class="time_text">01:31 PM</span></p>

[justright]

<span><blockquote><hr>Canadina wrote:<div><a href="http://eqiiforums.station.sony.com/eq2/board/message?board.id=gameplay&message.id=22719&view=by_date_ascending&page=14" target="_blank">http://eqiiforums.station.sony.com/eq2/board/message?board.id=gameplay&message.id=22719&view=by_date_ascending&page=14</a></div><div> </div><div>I would like to make a suggestion that status points be removed from people who aren't guilded. Either that or I would like to suggest that there be an avenue where they can spend the points that they have earned.   Any feedback would be appreciated.   Sorry if this isn't the appropriate forum, but I wasn't quite sure where to ask.</div><div> </div><div>Cana</div><hr></blockquote>you do realize that people change guilds once in a while?should they have all their status removed also?that would really be fun....not <span>:smileytongue:</span></span><div></div>

[Tradeskill_Addict]

<div></div><blockquote><hr>Jalek wrote:I had my own guild just me and my alts for a time and ground up to level 6 but honestly i hated it because its nice to have an active guildchat, if you like playing solo thats your choice and not anything evil made just to persecute the minority.<hr></blockquote><div>hold a minute....have i been away for SO long?</div><div> </div><div>you can start a guild ON YOUR OWN now?</div>

[Magu]

You get 5 people to fill spots, then boot them.<div></div>

[Lord Montague]

<div></div>Technically you can, although I find the practice to be somewhat distastefull.  Not only that, but you'll only be able to go so far before the amount of status it takes to level the guild just becomes too much for one person to be able to do effectively.

[FenaImayan]

<div></div><blockquote><hr>Lord Montague wrote:<div></div>Technically you can, although I find the practice to be somewhat distastefull.  Not only that, but you'll only be able to go so far before the amount of status it takes to level the guild just becomes too much for one person to be able to do effectively.<hr></blockquote><p>Not in these days and times. We have people on my server buying so many of the guild status trinkets (i.e.  relics, scrying stone, documents or amulets) and turning them in that a soloer with enough platinum can have a level 25 guild in a little less than half a hour <img src="/smilies/69934afc394145350659cd7add244ca9.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /></p><p>SOE has made the entire guild status thing and who gets the goods pointless and trivial. If someone can get the same level and benefits of a level 25 guild in 30 minutes of purchasing as it took me and my buddies 2 months to do then well it has rung true that guilds and how we earn our extras is now pointless and for anyone to have.</p><p>Its unfortunate all the work and efforts to really make something of your guild is a worthless aspect of the game, but as long as everything is "fair"....lol.</p>

[Lord Montague]

<div></div><div></div><div></div><blockquote><hr>FenaImayan wrote:<div></div><blockquote><hr>Lord Montague wrote:<div></div>Technically you can, although I find the practice to be somewhat distastefull.  Not only that, but you'll only be able to go so far before the amount of status it takes to level the guild just becomes too much for one person to be able to do effectively.<hr></blockquote><p>Not in these days and times. We have people on my server buying so many of the guild status trinkets (i.e.  relics, scrying stone, documents or amulets) and turning them in that a soloer with enough platinum can have a level 25 guild in a little less than half a hour <img src="/smilies/69934afc394145350659cd7add244ca9.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /></p><p>SOE has made the entire guild status thing and who gets the goods pointless and trivial. If someone can get the same level and benefits of a level 25 guild in 30 minutes of purchasing as it took me and my buddies 2 months to do then well it has rung true that guilds and how we earn our extras is now pointless and for anyone to have.</p><p>Its unfortunate all the work and efforts to really make something of your guild is a worthless aspect of the game, but as long as everything is "fair"....lol.</p><hr></blockquote><p>There is potential for that kind of abuse but that would take an exorbitant amount of platinum to do, even if there were sufficient status items on the market to buy up.</p><p>Let's assume a hypothetical scenario (this makes a lot of assumptions, but should hopefully just be taken to illustrate a point and not as a perfect model of how things really work) - Bob the Brigand wants to start a guild of one and hires 5 people to do so.  He pays each the generous sum of 20 gold each, creates the guild Bob's Uber Leet League (or B.U.L.L. for short).  Now let's say Bob now wants to take B.U.L.L. to level 30 buying up status items and turning them in.  I don't have the exact number of what it would take, but lets say for the purposes of this scenario lets assume it takes 1 million contributed status to get to 30.  Also assuming that the average status item pulls in 300 status, with the base divisor for guild contribution at 6 gives us 50 guild status per item purchased (some might net more and some less).  In order to get enough status to reach the 1 million mark for B.U.L.L., Bob must now purchase 20,000 of these items.  Now, assuming the average status item goes for around 5 gold on the market, our total investment in status items is 1000 platinum (20,000 items X 5 gold / 100 ).</p><p>This to me begs the question a) does the market ever have that many status items, and b) aside from plat buyers, who would ever have that much platinum?  Sounds to me that if people on your server are doing this sort of thing, they are not legitimate and should be reported.</p><p>Message Edited by Lord Montague on <span class="date_text">03-20-2006</span><span class="time_text">01:22 PM</span></p><p>Message Edited by Lord Montague on <span class="date_text">03-21-2006</span><span class="time_text">09:22 PM</span></p>

[MrA]

<div><blockquote><hr>Jalek wrote:<blockquote><hr>Canadina wrote:<div>so in other words I should be a good little lemming and join all my alts to a guild..to fit in with the elitist status quo...ahh ok gotcha. thanks.</div><hr></blockquote>Eh?You join a guild so you can take part in guild events, play the game with likeminded people and have fun. Its not an elitist status quo its a major part of most MMO's.I had my own guild just me and my alts for a time and ground up to level 6 but honestly i hated it because its nice to have an active guildchat, if you like playing solo thats your choice and not anything evil made just to persecute the minority.<hr></blockquote>So you think that people that are not in a guild but do all the same quests and "work" as those in guilds should not get anything for their time? Your right it is their choice, but why should thier choice not be regarded as equal to yours. What makes your play style better than anyone elses... Did it ever occur to you that some people might not want to play the game the same was as you, yet still be able to enjoy the same benifits. Or did I miss something and Sony declared you military dictator of the world, oh great furor?</div>

[Jal]

<blockquote><hr>MrAFK wrote:<div><blockquote><hr>Jalek wrote:<blockquote><hr>Canadina wrote:<div>so in other words I should be a good little lemming and join all my alts to a guild..to fit in with the elitist status quo...ahh ok gotcha. thanks.</div><hr></blockquote>Eh?You join a guild so you can take part in guild events, play the game with likeminded people and have fun. Its not an elitist status quo its a major part of most MMO's.I had my own guild just me and my alts for a time and ground up to level 6 but honestly i hated it because its nice to have an active guildchat, if you like playing solo thats your choice and not anything evil made just to persecute the minority.<hr></blockquote>So you think that people that are not in a guild but do all the same quests and "work" as those in guilds should not get anything for their time? Your right it is their choice, but why should thier choice not be regarded as equal to yours. What makes your play style better than anyone elses... Did it ever occur to you that some people might not want to play the game the same was as you, yet still be able to enjoy the same benifits. Or did I miss something and Sony declared you military dictator of the world, oh great furor?</div><hr></blockquote>Ok but i want to be able to buy all fabled items for 20 silver each because i dont choose to raid all the time. I also want every skill from every character class because i dont like being without certain skills when i play, unlimited plat would be handy because earning money takes time, every spell at master level too because i dont want to spend my unlimited plat, oh and all my characters to 70 please because i get bored of grinding and questing sometimes.Its not Furor its emperor btw.

[Karlen]

>>>So you think that people that are not in a guild but do all the same quests and "work" as those in guilds should not get anything for their time?<<<People that are not in guilds can spend their status points just like people that are in guilds.  They are only restricted from purchasing things that ALSO require levelling up a guild to a certain level.Some things, such as horses require spending (1) gold and (2) status and also require (3) levelling up a guild.  If you have only two of those three things, you cannot buy a guild-discounted horse.Just because you have the required status does not mean that you have done the "work" required to purchase a horse.  There are two other requirements to meet (money and guild level).  The status cost of horses is based on the assumption that you have those two other requirements.Same for houses.You can, however, spend status at the faction merchants assuming you have done the "work" to unlock their wares.<div></div>

[ChaosUndivided]

<div></div>They should never have put status items and SP on Raid mobs in game, it makes leveling a guild trivial when abused.

[Buneary]

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[Lord Montague]

<div></div><blockquote><hr>Mely wrote:<div></div>SoE REALLY needs to give unguilded ppl more options on what to do with their SP.Faction merchants don't count because you have to grind 100s of writs just to freaken buy something.Unguilded ppl should be able to buy horses and houses(with SP). Don't give me the BS about how guilds "worked" for it. How does someone who joined a guild when it was already lvl 30 "earn" that "privilege" anyway compared to someone who isn't guilded?Why should players have to be FORCED to join a guild just to use them?Not everyone who plays is interested in raiding and have ZERO interest in guilds.I really hate how this game is going and putting all the pressure on ppl forcing them to join guilds and group just to get anything.It is a GAME meant to have FUN. Not a popularity contest or "who can raid and get the best loot/money gets the best".There is a difference between "challanging and fun" and "stressing and time-consuming".  SoE really needs to change their route.<div></div><hr></blockquote><p>I'm not sure why SoE would need to anything - it's their game and thier call.  That's how it's been from the beginning.  No, you don't need a guild to get nice things - this has been proven.  Yes, there are some things that are only available to guilds.  If being in a guild did not have rewards and advantages, all you would have is a glorified chat channel (i.e., Linkshells in FFXI as an exampe).  I don't feel you need a guild to get the best loot, etc, etc.  Guilds have a leg up on this because they have the advantage of a regular group of trusted people that they can call upon to get things done - this is hard to do outside of a guild but not impossible I tell you.  True, you might miss some aspects, but you really have to ask yourself are those aspects all that important to you?</p>

[Karlen]

>>>Not everyone who plays is interested in raiding<<<Worth noting that this has nothing to do with raiding.<div></div>

[ChaosUndivided]

<div></div><blockquote><hr>Mely wrote:<div></div><p>SoE REALLY needs to give unguilded ppl more options on what to do with their SP.Faction merchants don't count because you have to grind 100s of writs just to freaken buy something.</p><p><font color="#ff9900">Faction Merchants do count, a guild has to work hard for it's levels to unlock rewardsm solo players should have to also. Guilded players "have to grind 100's of writs just to level their guild"</font></p><p>Unguilded ppl should be able to buy horses and houses(with SP). Don't give me the BS about how guilds "worked" for it. How does someone who joined a guild when it was already lvl 30 "earn" that "privilege" anyway compared to someone who isn't guilded?Why should players have to be FORCED to join a guild just to use them?Not everyone who plays is interested in raiding and have ZERO interest in guilds.</p><p><font color="#ff9900">What does this have to do with raiding? If you don't have an interest in guilds, don't expect the rewards. I have zero interest in crafting and I do not expect them to give me the rewards from that.</font></p><font color="#ff9900"></font><p>I really hate how this game is going and putting all the pressure on ppl forcing them to join guilds and group just to get anything.It is a GAME meant to have FUN. Not a popularity contest or "who can raid and get the best loot/money gets the best".</p><p><font color="#ff9900">Again, what does this have to do with raiding? There is no pressure to join a guild, nothing you gain as a guild reward is essential or is needed for any sort of progression in the game, they are all perks and luxury items.</font>There is a difference between "challanging and fun" and "stressing and time-consuming".  SoE really needs to change their route.</p><p><font color="#ff9900">No, they're doing find, caving into the carebear whiners like you will only further erode the community. Please go play WoW if you want everything handed to you.</font></p><div></div><hr></blockquote>

[Templa]

<p>I hate reviving an old post but it was the best place that I could find by searching that covered the question I had, and to add a voice to the unguilded to ask if there can be things added or guild restrictions removed so that unguilded players can buy items with their status points, or perhaps lowering the "Guild" points needed to buy things from the in game guilds (fighter, mage, etc)..  </p><p>The reason I ask is because as and unguilded player and one that does not group earning enough in game guild points is out of reach because many times me and my partner often have to put off city writs until we are past the point where we than can repeat them.. </p><p>It seems a bit odd that we earn all these status points and have work hard to do so, but unless we join a guild we cannot spend them, I have read the arguments back and forth and I have to say, I never understood the hostility or elitism from people who cannot understand why people do not just ~join a guild and shut up~.. And I think that the argument that you should not buy those items because you have not ~earned~ them simply by not being in a guild is a bit much.. </p><p>I am a 40 year female gamer and I have been gaming for many many years.. I have Played EQ1, DAoC, NWN and even ran my own PW for NWN and through all those incarnations the one thing I do not enjoy in an mmorpg is being in a guild, or feeling I must join a guild to advance in the game and have fun.. Guilds are not for me, they are not good or bad in my eyes, they are just not my cup of tea.. I prefer to group only with those I know in RL and at this time the only RL person I know that plays EQ2 is my rl bf and we game regularly together and our little duo of mage and paladin have managed to reach level 50, earn nearly 400,000 status and complete 10 heritage quests between the two of us over a 3 month period, and we had a blast doing so.. </p><p>We love EQ2 and think that what we have achieved is not bad for part time play from 2 people with FT jobs and children.. So far this game has been very accommodating to us as a duo in that we are able to do most of the quests, even if we have to do many of the heroic quests when they green/grey(EPICS our out of reach and we feel they should as they should be taken down back large groups).. However we do not understand why we cannot spend what we have earned.. It does not make sense that we would be rewarded with something that we can never use.. Now we could join a guild, go spend our points and then drop the guild...But that is really not how the game is meant to be played and it seems silly that our only way of spending something we have earned is by circumventing the system.. </p><p>Perhaps put a few merchants in that offer different non guilded items and mounts, to allow guilded items to remain unique?? That would seem like a fair and fairly easy solution... Or perhaps charging more status points to non guilded members to buy the items already for sale?? I truly believe there is a solution and I do think it's something that should be added into the game, and by doing so would only add to the appeal of the game for the casual player.... </p>

[Gareorn]

<p><b><i>deleted.  Didn't notice this was necro'd.  sorry.</i></b></p>

[Princess Ariel]

<p>I don't think they should take away personal gained status from people.  They work just as hard if not harder then those in guild's.  Perhaps they don't want to be in a guild and deal with all the drama that goes with a guild.  But one thing needs to be implimented to keep some bad guild leaders under control and make them think twice before kicking some people and phaseing out others for there personal gain and decide what is more important friendship and loyalty, or greed and power.    </p><p>I heard a story about a guild officer that manipulated alot of people to become a guild leader.  That person became a guild leader and very very power hungry.  The entire guild dynamic's within 3 months changed, the guild was originally friends and family.    One of the people that got that person into leadership position began to question the leader's authority and what that leader was doing to the guild.  That same person contributed to the guild over 2,000,000 status. The day after the guild dinged 60 the leader bullied and manipulated the other leader (a super nice person) into kicking the person that quetioned there authority out of the guild because they didn't have the guts to do it themselves.  To make it worse that person that had questioned the leader was at work and couldn't even defend himself.  Many other people stood behind and supported that person and that same night left the guild with an additional miniumum 3,000,000 status.  That night all the people that left formed a new guild from scratch, but here they were after working so hard to get a guild to 60 with now a level 1 guild.    I believe when they left and that person that was kicked,  their contirbuted guild status should have left with them as well as guild levels, even if the guild went from 60-45.  And all the status that had been contributed to the old guild should have immediately went into the new guild,  even if that guild went from 1-20 in 2 sec's.    </p><p>As time has passed more and more people have been forced out, phased out or kicked out, of the original guild because the leader either: Has a new favorite person/person's of the month; or they got feed up with the deals and promises that were made to them and were not upheld; or those people started questioning the guild leaders decissions.  Their work and their contributed status as well should have left with them and more levels.  The guild leader still treats people badly, is making deals, botting,  constantly changing the rules to fit themselves,  lying,  changeing the guild charter to meet their gain or completely ignoring the guild charter while sitting their with a level 60 guild, the title that goes with it and a level 60 horse.   </p>

[Koltr]

Try doing a gob of Heritage quests and writs to get your guild to level high enough to get the rewards, only to have the leader do a "house cleaning" leaving you with several million in unusable status points.

[Finora]

<p> I reallize this is a necro post but I felt it was worth responding to the new question in it.</p><p>Templa wrote: </p><blockquote><p>I hate reviving an old post but it was the best place that I could find by searching that covered the question I had, and to add a voice to the unguilded to ask if there can be things added or guild restrictions removed so that unguilded players can buy items with their status points, or perhaps lowering the "Guild" points needed to buy things from the in game guilds (fighter, mage, etc)..  </p><p>The reason I ask is because as and unguilded player and one that does not group earning enough in game guild points is out of reach because many times me and my partner often have to put off city writs until we are past the point where we than can repeat them.. </p><p>It seems a bit odd that we earn all these status points and have work hard to do so, but unless we join a guild we cannot spend them, I have read the arguments back and forth and I have to say, I never understood the hostility or elitism from people who cannot understand why people do not just ~join a guild and shut up~.. And I think that the argument that you should not buy those items because you have not ~earned~ them simply by not being in a guild is a bit much.. </p><p>I am a 40 year female gamer and I have been gaming for many many years.. I have Played EQ1, DAoC, NWN and even ran my own PW for NWN and through all those incarnations the one thing I do not enjoy in an mmorpg is being in a guild, or feeling I must join a guild to advance in the game and have fun.. Guilds are not for me, they are not good or bad in my eyes, they are just not my cup of tea.. I prefer to group only with those I know in RL and at this time the only RL person I know that plays EQ2 is my rl bf and we game regularly together and our little duo of mage and paladin have managed to reach level 50, earn nearly 400,000 status and complete 10 heritage quests between the two of us over a 3 month period, and we had a blast doing so.. </p><p>We love EQ2 and think that what we have achieved is not bad for part time play from 2 people with FT jobs and children.. So far this game has been very accommodating to us as a duo in that we are able to do most of the quests, even if we have to do many of the heroic quests when they green/grey(EPICS our out of reach and we feel they should as they should be taken down back large groups).. However we do not understand why we cannot spend what we have earned.. It does not make sense that we would be rewarded with something that we can never use.. Now we could join a guild, go spend our points and then drop the guild...But that is really not how the game is meant to be played and it seems silly that our only way of spending something we have earned is by circumventing the system.. </p><p>Perhaps put a few merchants in that offer different non guilded items and mounts, to allow guilded items to remain unique?? That would seem like a fair and fairly easy solution... Or perhaps charging more status points to non guilded members to buy the items already for sale?? I truly believe there is a solution and I do think it's something that should be added into the game, and by doing so would only add to the appeal of the game for the casual player.... </p></blockquote><p>First I'd like to say that very often guilds ARE made up of people who know each other in real life, sometimes they blossom from there with more people being added that are real life friends/family of those who are already members. That is pretty much how the guild I am was created. We have had a few that were not known IRL originally but most were known for a long time in game before they joined. So not all guild's are not as bad as some like to paint them. </p><p>1) Unguilded people can spend status points on a limited basis. They do have to work up faction with the various city factions to do so though. (which is much like guilded people working up the guild's level)</p><p>2) You don't have to group to do writs. The vast majority of them are solo. As a duo they would be cake. I know this because I do/have done loads and loads of them with my main and many of my alts in all the cities. There are some herioc but I believe they are marked as herioc these days. </p><p>3) There is nothing you can get as a guild reward that is so much better than what you can get without being in a guild to warrent any changes to the current system (imo). The unguilded have access to the biggest houses in at least Neriak and Kelethin. They can get a mount that is nearly as fast as the fastest guild mount. They can get both the mount and the houses for less coin than the guilded person has to spend I might add. The other guild rewards are mostly fluff (titles, clothing and furniture). At the higher guild levels there are a hand full of charm things that can be useful, but on a very very limited basis since they are lore and one charge. </p><p>4) These still don't give you much outlet for spending status, however status points were created with GUILDS in mind. There is no rule anywhere that says you have to do writs, ever even if you are guilded. I know I don't do writs on my unguilded alts. There is nothing on the faction merchants I wish to purchase with those alts and the only really useful things people can get guilded, I can get myself something nearly equal without doing the writs. </p><p>To Princess Ariel, I must say that if a guild is allowing thier leader to be a jerk, they kind of deserve what they guild. I reallize that people grow attached to the guild they are with and don't want to have to start over looking for a new guild, however if things were as bad as your post makes out, I can totally see people leaving the guild and reforming themselves in a new guild. Yes, they'd have to level up again, but they would be without the twit of a leader, and thus that would be a-okay. If it was as the post seemed to imply, that there were multiple leaders, I believe that the other leader (particularly if they were the leader that started the guild) could demote/remove the offending 'leader' from the guild and thus getting rid of the problem entirely.</p><p>(edited because something strange got caught in the language filter)</p>

[Valdaglerion]

<p><cite>Asarla@Splitpaw wrote:</cite><blockquote>Status is for guilds, if they gave access to city merchants for solo players all youd be able to get with no guild is base level stuff which isnt worth wasting status on really.</blockquote> </p><p>Please....status is for guilds. Who has worked harder and deserves more, the guild with 12 people that has achieved level 60 or the guild that has 1200 people that achieved level 60?</p><p>Furthermore, who has achieved more status, the person in a level 60 guild with 4200 personal status points or the unguilded player that has 22,000,000 in personal status?</p><p>Have they ever said what solo players would be allowed to buy with status?</p><p>Why are mounts limited to guilds - maybe the better option it to make the horses available to anyone who can afford the personal status to buy them but make certain breeds (without changing stats or run speeds) available to guilds. That way you can say that you have an Albino Stallion versus the Spotted Stallion... /shrug</p><p>Personally, the whole guild elitist mentality is garbage. There are more people that think they are elite by association of their guild than actually are elite by themselves.</p><p>Personally, I dont care what your guild youre in, I care how well you play your toon and what you have accomplished. When it comes to joining players outside your guild your guildmates cant save you so you better bring skills with you beyond that cute little heraldy across your broker bought cloak.</p>

[Thantoes]

Princess Ariel wrote: <blockquote><p>I don't think they should take away personal gained status from people.  They work just as hard if not harder then those in guild's.  Perhaps they don't want to be in a guild and deal with all the drama that goes with a guild.  But one thing needs to be implimented to keep some bad guild leaders under control and make them think twice before kicking some people and phaseing out others for there personal gain and decide what is more important friendship and loyalty, or greed and power.    </p><p>I heard a story about a guild officer that manipulated alot of people to become a guild leader.  That person became a guild leader and very very power hungry.  The entire guild dynamic's within 3 months changed, the guild was originally friends and family.    One of the people that got that person into leadership position began to question the leader's authority and what that leader was doing to the guild.  That same person contributed to the guild over 2,000,000 status. The day after the guild dinged 60 the leader bullied and manipulated the other leader (a super nice person) into kicking the person that quetioned there authority out of the guild because they didn't have the guts to do it themselves.  To make it worse that person that had questioned the leader was at work and couldn't even defend himself.  Many other people stood behind and supported that person and that same night left the guild with an additional miniumum 3,000,000 status.  That night all the people that left formed a new guild from scratch, but here they were after working so hard to get a guild to 60 with now a level 1 guild.    I believe when they left and that person that was kicked,  their contirbuted guild status should have left with them as well as guild levels, even if the guild went from 60-45.  And all the status that had been contributed to the old guild should have immediately went into the new guild,  even if that guild went from 1-20 in 2 sec's.    </p><p>As time has passed more and more people have been forced out, phased out or kicked out, of the original guild because the leader either: Has a new favorite person/person's of the month; or they got feed up with the deals and promises that were made to them and were not upheld; or those people started questioning the guild leaders decissions.  Their work and their contributed status as well should have left with them and more levels.  The guild leader still treats people badly, is making deals, botting,  constantly changing the rules to fit themselves,  lying,  changeing the guild charter to meet their gain or completely ignoring the guild charter while sitting their with a level 60 guild, the title that goes with it and a level 60 horse.   </p></blockquote><p>I agree with Ariel (btw my daughter still hummms that song once in a while and she is 13 now) If someone leaves or is kicked from a guild all of their contributed status should go with them.. I helped start a guild on Nektulos because  we were being very mistreated and slowly being kicked from the guild we were in at the time. Well we started the guild, I helped them (and enjoying it) get to about lvl 52-53 (not sure if we made it to 53 before or after they kicked me because I was in bed asleep at the time :thumbdown<img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /> Had over 250k guild status and because I was telling the officers (IN the officer forum) that they were beginning to act just like the OTHER guild and also they were beginning to create a private group that was ignoring the normal members. Just the sort of stuff they wanted me to do when the guild started - keep them from getting away from THE GUILD and not make things into little clicks. Heck we even joked about it and had under my "need an officer" login "The Thorn" because I was to be a thorn in their side on behalf of the regular members. ANYWAY I was kick in the middle of the night by an officer that had been gone for several months and decided to log in, read the ONE post I had made in a long while and booted me - NO chat to see what was up-- NOTHING.. And yet that officer is STILL going strong-- funny part is --part of the reason (I believe) that this officer was gone for so long was that because of his actions and choice of words we had a couple people leave the guild.. </p><p>To Reallly make things even funnier is that What they did to me was EXACTLY what happened to them with the guild we had been in..<img src="/smilies/97ada74b88049a6d50a6ed40898a03d7.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /><img src="/smilies/69934afc394145350659cd7add244ca9.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /><img src="/smilies/1069449046bcd664c21db15b1dfedaee.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /><img src="/smilies/2e207fad049d4d292f60607f80f05768.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /> OK enough rambeling   </p>

[Vonotar]

I have never read such a complete and utter pile of drivel in my whole life. Ok.. a few truths... 1. Buying items that require a Guild Level Players in a guild have access to these items based on the level (prestige) of the guild they are in.  End-of.  There are a million level 50+ casual we-have-no-organisation guilds out there who would not care two hoots if you joined just for the purpose of gaining access to items that require a guild level to purchase.  A number of posters seem to believe that joining a guild involves enforced raiding.   RAID GUILDS ARE A MINORITY.  The majority are just bunches of people who want to make friends with others and help each other to complete quests. 2. Earning Status/Transferring Guild Status You earn personal status in a variety of different ways. 'Status' is exactly what it sounds like, it's a measure of your standing with your city/factions.  If you are a member of a guild they receive a status boost equivalent to 10% of your own status increase, this 'amount' is not taken from you the player, therefore it does not transfer with you when you move guild.  A big league basketball player would have a lot of personal status from the games they have played and the moves/scores they have achieved.  If they change team their personal standing would stay much the same (i.e. personal status), however just because they were in the lineup for last seasons clincher doesn't mean any part of that teams group status would transfer with them. I.e.  A team wins the season in 2005, if a member of the team joins a new club in 2006, that 'Win' does not transfer with them, it belongs to the original team. Speaking as somebody who has contributed much status to other guilds before starting a guild myself (with friends) I CANNOT agree with the idea that 'contributed guild status' should leave with the player.  You HAVE NOT contributed any status at all, this would require some sort of loss. i.e. unguilded people would receive full status, guilded would receive 90% to themselves 10% to guild THIS IS NOT THE CASE!

[malykii]

you should be able to recieve status points guilded or not, bottom line.  you work no harder because you are in a guild than if you arent to achieve your status.  personally i think you should be able to buy horses, houses, items either way.  there is already to much emphasis on being guilded in this game.  if you don't agree plz check into the stupid farm cause this is really what is fair.

[KBern]

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[Te'ana]

<p>In the olden days people did take their status with them when they left a guild. That probably was to encourage cooperation and compromise but it mostly led to people demanding special treatment in return for staying with a guild. So no matter which way the guild status points blow someone gets hurt.</p><p>I do sympathise with wanting to take your status with you though, as my sad tale below will illustrate.</p><p>My husband and I helped level a guild to 30 while a guild leader was absent for a while. When she returned she had changed a lot and made some decisions my husband and I couldn't live with, so we left the guild to avoid the impending drama. A short while after we left the guild, the returned leader stayed up late one night and booted out all the guild members, cashed in the guild loot and ended the guild. All of this was done without a single word being said to any of the guild members. They all just logged on the next day to find they were not in a guild anymore with no clue as to what had happened. Through a little investigative work we determined that the guild leader had changed her on-line persona and had created new characters and joined a high level guild to hide out from her former guildies. This person is well known on our server and this forum and no doubt told a tall tale about the event to make her way up into the new guild's ranks. </p><p>It would have been nice if the innocent victims of this unscrupulous person could have transferred their guild status points to their new guilds since many guilds assign guild titles, access to guild status purchases, and bank access according to how many status points you have in that guild. The way it is now we all had to start over as low level guild members. My husband and I formed our own private guild and have managed to level it up to 23 in a few months all by ourselves but if we had been able to use the status points we had contributed to the old guild we would be level 30 again. I am sick to think of all the HQs we wasted on our old guild. Those status points can never be recovered for our new guild. Writs are redoable, but HQs are a one time event. </p>

[Templa]

<p>I know I "necroed" and old thread and I do apologize for that.. first time I have seen that term, but I do know that it can be frustrating when really old threads are revived and old arguments come back.. That was not my intent here.. All I wanted to know if there was plans to allow non guilded players to spend their status, without having to have the what I feel insanely high faction with their class guild.. .. Being new to the game I did not know much about writs and how to choose the non heroic and do them over and over to get more status so reaching the 10k+ status with my guild seems very much out of reach for me.. </p><p>I did not want to start a "Guild members" vs "Unguilded argument" and I just think it's silly that I would have to go to a guild and say "Hi I just want to join you because I have 200k of status points and 4plat and I want to buy a horse and then I will be gone".. vs going to a merchant and buying something with the status that I have earned.. I also wanted to offer what I felt were fair solutions to allow for unguilded players to spend their status, while allowing "guild only items unique".. and asking if possible that developers might take a look and perhaps implement something along those lines.. I ask because I figure.. Sony cannot know something is wanted/unwanted unless someone mentions it.. </p><p>Another ~solution~ that came to me as I was typing this was what if instead of status when turning in the guild items (scrying stones, relics etc) you got a combo of status/faction.. or had a choice to turn in for faction or turn in for status.. that would again allow people to raise their ingame faction with guilds and allow them to shop there.. </p><p>So I am not looking for bashing of guilds or non guild members.. just a discussion or perhaps a look at by someone at sony of a player suggestions from the view point of someone that chooses not to join a guild..  </p>