The new loot tables, and old !!

[thark]

<div>Yesterday my guild was raiding King Zalak , he dropped a master chest with 1 single item, a master spell..</div><div> </div><div>What kind of reward is this ? We were a full raid team and got this ...this is really dissapointing..</div><div> </div><div>There is something wrong with the loot system, if you can get better loot if you run around with a group with 4 people in Solusek Eye for a couple of hours then setting up a raid with 24 people and get awarded with 1 master..I did the new quests on Solusek, after 4 hours we had 2 legendary items and 4 master spells to divide..</div><div> </div><div>Well..what do you say, I'd say something is so very wrong..ok. Im all for some better loot for people who never raids but this is getting stupid..</div><div> </div><div>/Rigge</div>

[Magus_Bl]

<div></div><p>Uh... one raid on Zalak... you are lucky you didnt get wood. </p><p> </p>

[HentaiB]

<div></div><p>Back in the day  Zalak dropped wood and sometimes even nothing.  Be glad that you got a master spell.  If you raid all the time you will get upgrades, but if you go to 1 raid and expect to be instantly fabeled you will be disapointed.</p><p> </p>

[thark]

<div></div><blockquote><hr>HentaiBOy wrote:<div></div><p>Back in the day  Zalak dropped wood and sometimes even nothing.  Be glad that you got a master spell.  If you raid all the time you will get upgrades, but if you go to 1 raid and expect to be instantly fabeled you will be disapointed.</p><p> </p><p></p><hr><p> </p><p>lol, did you miss my point ? My point is that why raid any target that require you to gather 24 persons for 1 master spell or a wood or even nothing when you could go to Solosek Eye and have a few guaranteed masters and a few legendary items...I can see your comment as valid othervise if there wasnt these other drops..</p><p> </p><p>And no..this isnt the first time we raid..this was a raid for new members ..</p><p> </p><p> </p></blockquote>/Rigge

[EtoilePirate]

<div></div>Raiding is such a mixed bag.I'm not a heavy raider, but I've definitely been on a couple dozen by now.  I've come across four things I could have used, and lost the /rands on all of them (note: to the other assassins or rangers who could use them just as much -- we definitly loot on need first).It would be nice if something that requires 24 people would give upgrades for, say, five of them every time, but that's not how it is.  The lower-level raids (contested mobs, easy access zones, and so on) are a total crapshoot.  After doing them a half-dozen times you might have enough people in your group with upgrades that you can try a harder target.I do agree that it would be nice if something that took a 24-person coordinated effort gave better rewards than something any six people could do in half the time... but meanwhile, it is what it is.  And there are nice rewards to work up to.<div></div><p>Message Edited by EtoilePB on <span class="date_text">02-17-2006</span><span class="time_text">12:43 PM</span></p>

[Dasein]

<div></div>Why raid T5 content at all when T7 gear will be here in a few days?

[thark]

<div></div><blockquote><hr>Caswydian wrote:<div></div>Why raid T5 content at all when T7 gear will be here in a few days?<hr></blockquote><p>As I said this was a raid for the lower portion of our guild 45-50, there is little point in training raids with them in SS...again..everyone seems like a total wise guy regarding this issue...Did I intrude upon some elite domain asking stupid questions or what ?</p><p> </p><p> </p>

[thark]

<div></div><blockquote><hr>EtoilePB wrote:<div></div>Raiding is such a mixed bag.I'm not a heavy raider, but I've definitely been on a couple dozen by now.  I've come across four things I could have used, and lost the /rands on all of them (note: to the other assassins or rangers who could use them just as much -- we definitly loot on need first).It would be nice if something that requires 24 people would give upgrades for, say, five of them every time, but that's not how it is.  The lower-level raids (contested mobs, easy access zones, and so on) are a total crapshoot.  After doing them a half-dozen times you might have enough people in your group with upgrades that you can try a harder target.I do agree that it would be nice if something that took a 24-person coordinated effort gave better rewards than something any six people could do in half the time... but meanwhile, it is what it is.  And there are nice rewards to work up to.<div></div><p>Message Edited by EtoilePB on <span class="date_text">02-17-2006</span><span class="time_text">12:43 PM</span></p><hr></blockquote><p>I understand this policy, I understand it well, what I don't understand is why such good loot is handed out for free in Solosek Eye and other dungeons, ok the items may not be as good but they are alright compared to fabled...The masters use to drop practically only on raids, Now there is 200+ pages with masters..With the above in mind people will loose interesst in raiding, there is only a microscopic chance that an item drops that first of all is useable for your class, then if you do /rand 1000 you should win the lotto aswell...For some this must be a HUGE turnoff..</p><p>PS: So..Im not saying, add 10 more lootitems to raid chests, but Im saying something is currently VERY unbalanced in the risk VS reward debate..</p><p> </p><p>/Rigge</p>

[observer]

<div></div>This sounds disappointing.  I came from WoW and everytime you fight a boss in a raid, you are guaranteed some epic or rare loot.

[Kodros]

<div><span><blockquote><hr>Magus_Blue wrote:<div></div><p>Uh... one raid on Zalak... you are lucky you didnt get wood. </p><p> </p><hr></blockquote>I got wood on the raid.  Oh wait...your talking about the type of chest....</span></div>

[standupwookie]

Its hard to get good loot (non trdeskill legendary or fabled) unless you farm Runneye/Varsoon or Sol dungeons.Those are the only to places that you can blaze through content and farm away, knowing that you will get at least some thing.  Every other dungeon is poorly itmeized.  There is a reason why RE/Varsoon are camped 24/7, and Sol is beginning to be the next RE too.If you go on casual pick up raids, dont expect to get any loot.  Chacnes are you wont.  The random number generator never works in anyones favor and those pick up raids are obviously not DKP.The only real way to get the good no-drop stuff is to join a raiding guild and earn your DKP for items.The rest of us have to resort to farming RE/Varsoon and Sol then selling the Masters and buying the lesser quality Fabled items that are tradeable.Other than that, its a Coblat world

[Fennir]

<div></div>The zone you raided is a zone you can do every day, so it doesn't drop great loot every time.  Most loot is related to lockout timer of the zone you're fighting in.<b>T5 18-hour zones (always drops at least legendary, has an ok chance for a master)</b>Shattered Stillness (Archlich Udalan in Firemyst Gully)Echoes of Time (King Zalak in Zarvonn's Tower)Meeting of the Minds (Overlord Oxulius in Trembling Lagoon)Icebound (King Drayek in Permafrost)<b>T5 36-hour zones (high chance for master, pretty good loot)</b>The Abandoned Mine (Tremblar in Zek)<b>T5 6-day zones (100% guaranteed master chests)</b>Epic Angler (Rognog in Cove of Decay)Spirits of the Lost (Cazic Thule epic)<b>T5 8-day zones (100% guaranteed master chest with at least 2 items)</b>Commune of K'Dal (Kdal in Maidens Gulch)<div></div><b>T6 18-hour zones</b>none.  =(<b>T6 6-day zones (usually 100% guaranteed master chests, will be mixed with legendary in the longer zones)</b>Lockjaw's Lair (always 100% master)Gates of Akhet Aken (LT epic)Court of Al Afaz (Shimmering Citadel epic)Poets Palace: Return (PP epic)Pedestal of the Sky (hehe)Djinn Master's Prism (hehe)<b>Contested x3 and x4s will also drop metal chests 100% of the time.  Contested x2s will rarely drop masters.</b><b>The Fire and Ice T5 quest series of raid zones usually drops wooden chests.  The Deception T5 quest series of raid zones usually drops master chests.  Darathar always drops a master chest.  These are all 6-day lockout zones.</b><b>The epic mobs in Silent City can drop legendary and masters.  The Fountain of Life zone drops masters.</b><p>Message Edited by Fennir on <span class="date_text">02-17-2006</span><span class="time_text">02:58 PM</span></p>

[Graton]

<div><span><blockquote><hr>Fennir wrote:<div></div><b>Contested x3 and x4s will also drop metal chests 100% of the time.  Contested x2s will rarely drop masters.</b><b></b><p>Message Edited by Fennir on <span class="date_text">02-17-2006</span><span class="time_text">02:58 PM</span></p><hr></blockquote>not sure if it was a bug or not but i've seen urzyd the undying drop a wood chest.</span></div>

[Sierrus]

<div></div><div>if i'm not mistaken Urzyd has dropped wood 4 out of past 6 kills lol</div><div> </div><div>Sierrus 60 Brigand</div><div>The Downward Spiral</div>

[Graton]

<div><span><blockquote><hr>Sierrus wrote:<div></div><div>if i'm not mistaken Urzyd has dropped wood 4 out of past 6 kills lol</div><div> </div><div>Sierrus 60 Brigand</div><div>The Downward Spiral</div><hr></blockquote>well i'd say glad it wasn't just me but really i think "i feel your pain" is more accurate enough. so you're lucky enough to actually catch the punk up, you get there first, you down him and he drops Advanced Alchemist Volume 55.</span></div>

[thark]

<div></div><blockquote><hr>Fennir wrote:<div></div>The zone you raided is a zone you can do every day, so it doesn't drop great loot every time.  Most loot is related to lockout timer of the zone you're fighting in.<b>T5 18-hour zones (always drops at least legendary, has an ok chance for a master)</b>Shattered Stillness (Archlich Udalan in Firemyst Gully)Echoes of Time (King Zalak in Zarvonn's Tower)Meeting of the Minds (Overlord Oxulius in Trembling Lagoon)Icebound (King Drayek in Permafrost)<b>T5 36-hour zones (high chance for master, pretty good loot)</b>The Abandoned Mine (Tremblar in Zek)<b>T5 6-day zones (100% guaranteed master chests)</b>Epic Angler (Rognog in Cove of Decay)Spirits of the Lost (Cazic Thule epic)<b>T5 8-day zones (100% guaranteed master chest with at least 2 items)</b>Commune of K'Dal (Kdal in Maidens Gulch)<div></div><b>T6 18-hour zones</b>none.  =(<b>T6 6-day zones (usually 100% guaranteed master chests, will be mixed with legendary in the longer zones)</b>Lockjaw's Lair (always 100% master)Gates of Akhet Aken (LT epic)Court of Al Afaz (Shimmering Citadel epic)Poets Palace: Return (PP epic)Pedestal of the Sky (hehe)Djinn Master's Prism (hehe)<b>Contested x3 and x4s will also drop metal chests 100% of the time.  Contested x2s will rarely drop masters.</b><b>The Fire and Ice T5 quest series of raid zones usually drops wooden chests.  The Deception T5 quest series of raid zones usually drops master chests.  Darathar always drops a master chest.  These are all 6-day lockout zones.</b><b>The epic mobs in Silent City can drop legendary and masters.  The Fountain of Life zone drops masters.</b><p>Message Edited by Fennir on <span class="date_text">02-17-2006</span><span class="time_text">02:58 PM</span></p><hr></blockquote>Thank you Fennir, very nice info