Don't buy KoS until the game is patch and you are happy.

[Carna]

<div>Simple advise.</div><div> </div><div>If there are changes coming up that effect you seriosuly, then simply don't buy the expansion until SOE quit pulling people too and fro.</div>

[Lord of the Arct]

Well said! You can also (like I did) chancel your pre-order and give a /feedback why you did it.<div></div>

[xsvhrs]

<strike>Nerf DeathNerf the imbued ringsNerf the Rangers</strike>Nerf the Summoners<div></div>

[Fayline Fyrecat]

<div></div><blockquote><hr>Carnagh wrote:<div>Simple advise.</div><div> </div><div>If there are changes coming up that effect you seriosuly, then simply don't buy the expansion until SOE quit pulling people too and fro.</div><hr></blockquote><p>You do realize that the only things included with KoS are the lvl 70 cap, Achievements, and new zones.  Changes to classes, items, tradeskilling, spells, etc. will all happen regardless of whether or not you own the expansion.</p><p>That reminds me... I should go pre-order now :smileyhappy:</p>

[TheAndro]

<div></div>Uh, I don't think that strategy will work since they will  release LU20 concurrently with KoS.  You'll still get LU20 which is the core of lots of changes folks are troubled about.Nice thougt, though.**read before post, brilliant!**<p>Message Edited by TheAndroid on <span class="date_text">02-15-2006</span><span class="time_text">10:22 AM</span></p>

[xsvhrs]

<hr size="2" width="100%">That reminds me... I should go pre-order now<hr size="2" width="100%">Yup, some places are offering a free carnivorous plant with your pre-order.I'm there!<div></div>

[Fayline Fyrecat]

<div></div><div>No pre-order goodies for me I'm afraid, have to download.  Still in the no-dvd-drive dark ages, lol.</div>

[Sulas]

Yeah, there is no way I'll be purchasing KoS until these "Devs" get their act together.  In fact I need to change my Sub to monthly in case I want to cancel post Live screwup 20.<div></div>

[Obadiah]

<div></div>Yay! The game is patched and I'm happy! Where do I get my copy?

[Nulad]

<div><span><blockquote><hr>Fayline Fyrecat wrote:<div></div><blockquote><hr>Carnagh wrote:<div>Simple advise.</div><div> </div><div>If there are changes coming up that effect you seriosuly, then simply don't buy the expansion until SOE quit pulling people too and fro.</div><hr></blockquote><p>You do realize that the only things included with KoS are the lvl 70 cap, Achievements, and new zones.  Changes to classes, items, tradeskilling, spells, etc. will all happen regardless of whether or not you own the expansion.</p><p>That reminds me... I should go pre-order now :smileyhappy:</p><hr></blockquote>You missed the point, and the original poster is very well aware of the points you make, it's the entire basis for the post in fact.Nul.</span></div>

[Stryyfe]

<div><span><blockquote><hr>xsvhrs wrote:<strike>Nerf DeathNerf the imbued ringsNerf the Rangers</strike>Nerf the Summoners<div></div><hr></blockquote>Haha!  Nice.</span></div>

[Moorgard]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Fayline Fyrecat wrote:<BR> <DIV>No pre-order goodies for me I'm afraid, have to download.  Still in the no-dvd-drive dark ages, lol.</DIV><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE> <P><BR>I should point out that KoS comes on CDs, not DVDs. So those of you without DVD drives don't have to live in shame any longer. :p</P>

[Stryyfe]

<div><span><blockquote><hr>Sulas wrote:Yeah, there is no way I'll be purchasing KoS until these "Devs" get their act together.  In fact I need to change my Sub to monthly in case I want to cancel post Live screwup 20.<div></div><hr></blockquote>Few Questions:1. Have you seen any changes for yourself or basing your judgement on other's assumptions/beta opinions.2. You don't have to buy any expansion, have fun with Permafrost.3. Why subscribe at all? You don't like the game. Cancel your subscription. Play any other MMOG, and realize what youre missing out on a month later.4. Why don't you become a dev and apply at San Diego to fix this "act" that the dev's currently don't have together.  You apparently have all the answers.</span></div>

[Melfius]

<div></div><blockquote><hr>Moorgard wrote:<div></div><blockquote><hr>Fayline Fyrecat wrote:<div></div><div>No pre-order goodies for me I'm afraid, have to download.  Still in the no-dvd-drive dark ages, lol.</div><hr></blockquote><p>I should point out that KoS comes on CDs, not DVDs. So those of you without DVD drives don't have to live in shame any longer. :p</p><hr></blockquote>No, they still need to live in shame - they can just play EQ while hiding.

[ZeroRavesOn]

<span><blockquote><hr>Moorgard wrote:<div></div><blockquote><hr>Fayline Fyrecat wrote:<div></div><div>No pre-order goodies for me I'm afraid, have to download.  Still in the no-dvd-drive dark ages, lol.</div><hr></blockquote><p>I should point out that KoS comes on CDs, not DVDs. So those of you without DVD drives don't have to live in shame any longer. :p</p><hr></blockquote>Now that you mention the retail version, when are stores (such as EBgames #519) supposed to get the preorder packages shipped to them?</span><div></div>

[Tomanak]

<div></div><blockquote><hr>Moorgard wrote:<div></div><blockquote><hr>Fayline Fyrecat wrote:<div></div><div>No pre-order goodies for me I'm afraid, have to download.  Still in the no-dvd-drive dark ages, lol.</div><hr></blockquote><p>I should point out that KoS comes on CDs, not DVDs. So those of you without DVD drives don't have to live in shame any longer. :p</p><hr></blockquote><p>If this is indeed the case, might I suggest you edit the KoS FAQ page which states:</p><p><strong>Do I have to own the original EverQuest II before purchasing Kingdom of Sky?</strong>Not if you purchase it at retail as opposed to downloading it directly from SOE. The retail version includes the original version of EverQuest II and Kingdom of Sky, so you get both for the price of an expansion.  <strong>Be aware that the retail version is DVD only.</strong></p><p><a target="_blank" href="http://everquest2.station.sony.com/expansions/kingdomofsky/faq.vm">http://everquest2.station.sony.com/expansions/kingdomofsky/faq.vm</a></p>

[Kizee]

<div></div><blockquote><hr>Carnagh wrote:<div>Simple advise.</div><div> </div><div>If there are changes coming up that effect you seriosuly, then simply don't buy the expansion until SOE quit pulling people too and fro.</div><hr></blockquote>To hell with that... I want to take advantage of the screwed up drop rates/loot/exp before they nerf it to hell like they did with splitpaw and DoF. :p

[Fayline Fyrecat]

<div></div><div><blockquote><hr>Moorgard wrote:<div></div><blockquote><hr>Fayline Fyrecat wrote:<div></div><div>No pre-order goodies for me I'm afraid, have to download.  Still in the no-dvd-drive dark ages, lol.</div><hr></blockquote><p>I should point out that KoS comes on CDs, not DVDs. So those of you without DVD drives don't have to live in shame any longer. :p</p><hr></blockquote>Quoted by MG himself!  This goes on the fridge!</div><div> </div><div>BTW, Thanks for the info :smileyhappy:</div>

[Terrak]

<div><span><blockquote><hr>Moorgard wrote:<div></div><blockquote><hr>Fayline Fyrecat wrote:<div></div><div>No pre-order goodies for me I'm afraid, have to download.  Still in the no-dvd-drive dark ages, lol.</div><hr></blockquote><p>I should point out that KoS comes on CDs, not DVDs. So those of you without DVD drives don't have to live in shame any longer. :p</p><hr></blockquote>Please tell me that you mean "KoS comes on CDs <b>and</b> DVDs.  I bought EQ2 on CDs because I didn't have a DVD drive and it was total misery installing off of that massive CD set.  Now I have a DVD drive and I would much rather install off of a single disk.</span></div>

[Sulas]

<span><blockquote><hr>Stryyfe wrote:<div><span><blockquote><hr>Sulas wrote:Yeah, there is no way I'll be purchasing KoS until these "Devs" get their act together.  In fact I need to change my Sub to monthly in case I want to cancel post Live screwup 20.<hr></blockquote>Few Questions:1. Have you seen any changes for yourself or basing your judgement on other's assumptions/beta opinions.2. You don't have to buy any expansion, have fun with Permafrost.3. Why subscribe at all? You don't like the game. Cancel your subscription. Play any other MMOG, and realize what youre missing out on a month later.4. Why don't you become a dev and apply at San Diego to fix this "act" that the dev's currently don't have together.  You apparently have all the answers.</span></div><hr></blockquote></span><span><span>1. Have you seen any changes for yourself or basing your judgement on other's assumptions/beta opinions.<font color="#ffff00">I am basing my decision to refrain from pre-purchase of KoS and 3 -month subscription on the feedback form those currently testing.  Is that unreasonable?</font></span></span><span><span>2. You don't have to buy any expansion, have fun with Permafrost.<font color="#ffff00">I am well aware of that, but 'thank you' for your blessing. </font></span></span><span><span>3a. Why subscribe at all? <font color="#ffff00"><font color="#ffff00">I subscribe because I love this game and the people I play it with.</font></font>3b. You don't like the game.<font color="#ffff00">Those are your words, not mine.  I'm irritated with the path the devs have taken because it seems to lack planning and foresight.</font>3c. Cancel your subscription.<font color="#ffff00">I'll keep my subsrciption as long as I'm satisfied and I'll cancel when the product no longer meets my needs.  This isn't a black/white issue.</font>3d. Play any other MMOG, and realize what youre missing out on a month later.<font color="#ffff00">I'm beginning to wonder if you read my post. </font></span></span><div><span>4a. Why don't you become a dev and apply at San Diego to fix this "act" that the dev's currently don't have together. <font color="#ffff00">I didn't apply to be a game developer because that's not my area of expertise.  If you've paid any attention at all to the content of the Live Updates, you might have noticed a little 'back and forth'.  For example: a combat system revamp in LU13, Imbued ring changes that 'overpowered' the rings, then changed again (to overpower them) and now they'll be changed yet again.  The tradeskill system has been revamped and will be again.  The poison system is being revamped.  Those are the facts that jump to mind.So tell me, where am I mistaken in suggesting an apparent lack of planning?</font>4b. You apparently have all the answers.<font color="#ffff00">This response has no bearing on my original comment.I replied to the OP:  "</font></span><font color="#ffff00"><span><span>Yeah, there is no way I'll be purchasing KoS until these "Devs" get their act together.   In fact I need to change my Sub to monthly in case I want to cancel post Live screwup 20."</span></span></font></div><font color="#ffff00">To clarify, since you didn't understand my response, if I am still satisfied with the game post-LU20 and the subsequent patches, I will wait until the live KoS expansion has had a chance to be tested on the live servers and for the most obvious bugs to be fixed.  I currently hold a 3-month subscription that is due to renew.  I will make it monthly in the event I lose my patience with the state of the game and want to stop paying for it.You replied to me as though I posted that I was leaving.  You're wrong, I posted dissatisfaction.  There's a difference.</font><span><span><font color="#ffff00"></font></span></span><div></div>

[Reav]

<div> </div><div><span><blockquote><hr>Sulas wrote:<span><blockquote><hr>Stryyfe wrote:<div><span><blockquote><hr>Sulas wrote:Yeah, there is no way I'll be purchasing KoS until these "Devs" get their act together.  In fact I need to change my Sub to monthly in case I want to cancel post Live screwup 20.<hr></blockquote>Few Questions:1. Have you seen any changes for yourself or basing your judgement on other's assumptions/beta opinions.2. You don't have to buy any expansion, have fun with Permafrost.3. Why subscribe at all? You don't like the game. Cancel your subscription. Play any other MMOG, and realize what youre missing out on a month later.4. Why don't you become a dev and apply at San Diego to fix this "act" that the dev's currently don't have together.  You apparently have all the answers.</span></div><hr></blockquote></span><span><span>1. Have you seen any changes for yourself or basing your judgement on other's assumptions/beta opinions.<font color="#ffff00">I am basing my decision to refrain from pre-purchase of KoS and 3 -month subscription on the feedback form those currently testing.  Is that unreasonable?</font></span></span><span><span>2. You don't have to buy any expansion, have fun with Permafrost.<font color="#ffff00">I am well aware of that, but 'thank you' for your blessing. </font></span></span><span><span>3a. Why subscribe at all? <font color="#ffff00"><font color="#ffff00">I subscribe because I love this game and the people I play it with.</font></font>3b. You don't like the game.<font color="#ffff00">Those are your words, not mine.  I'm irritated with the path the devs have taken because it seems to lack planning and foresight.</font>3c. Cancel your subscription.<font color="#ffff00">I'll keep my subsrciption as long as I'm satisfied and I'll cancel when the product no longer meets my needs.  This isn't a black/white issue.</font>3d. Play any other MMOG, and realize what youre missing out on a month later.<font color="#ffff00">I'm beginning to wonder if you read my post. </font></span></span><div><span>4a. Why don't you become a dev and apply at San Diego to fix this "act" that the dev's currently don't have together. <font color="#ffff00">I didn't apply to be a game developer because that's not my area of expertise.  If you've paid any attention at all to the content of the Live Updates, you might have noticed a little 'back and forth'.  For example: a combat system revamp in LU13, Imbued ring changes that 'overpowered' the rings, then changed again (to overpower them) and now they'll be changed yet again.  The tradeskill system has been revamped and will be again.  The poison system is being revamped.  Those are the facts that jump to mind.So tell me, where am I mistaken in suggesting an apparent lack of planning?</font>4b. You apparently have all the answers.<font color="#ffff00">This response has no bearing on my original comment.I replied to the OP:  "</font></span><font color="#ffff00"><span><span>Yeah, there is no way I'll be purchasing KoS until these "Devs" get their act together.   In fact I need to change my Sub to monthly in case I want to cancel post Live screwup 20."</span></span></font></div><font color="#ffff00">To clarify, since you didn't understand my response, if I am still satisfied with the game post-LU20 and the subsequent patches, I will wait until the live KoS expansion has had a chance to be tested on the live servers and for the most obvious bugs to be fixed.  I currently hold a 3-month subscription that is due to renew.  I will make it monthly in the event I lose my patience with the state of the game and want to stop paying for it.You replied to me as though I posted that I was leaving.  You're wrong, I posted dissatisfaction.  There's a difference.</font><span><span><font color="#ffff00"></font></span></span><div></div><hr></blockquote></span></div><div><img src="http://everquest2.station.sony.com/common/footer/images/en/t_logo.gif">   </div><div> </div><div>It's a little small for most to read...goodluck</div>

[Sulas]

<div></div>You don't get it either.  I've been playing EQ/EQ2 for well over 6 years.  Things change, that's fine.  But by now SoE shouldn't be implementing massive changes in game mechanics.So, if you read my post, you'ld understand I was simply saying I'll hold off on the pre-purchase and that I think the EQ2 development team isn't planning very well.Edit: clarification.<div></div><p>Message Edited by Sulas on <span class="date_text">02-15-2006</span><span class="time_text">03:47 PM</span></p>

[ScottAdams]

<div></div><blockquote><hr>Moorgard wrote:<div></div><blockquote><hr>Fayline Fyrecat wrote:<div></div><div>No pre-order goodies for me I'm afraid, have to download.  Still in the no-dvd-drive dark ages, lol.</div><hr></blockquote><p>I should point out that KoS comes on CDs, not DVDs. So those of you without DVD drives don't have to live in shame any longer. :p</p><hr></blockquote><p>Amazon.com is selling it on DVD</p><p><a target="_blank" href="http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/B000E80ND2/sr=8-1/qid=1140036863/ref=pd_bbs_1/002-3092176-4100044?%5Fencoding=UTF8&v=glance">http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/B000E80ND2/sr=8-1/qid=1140036863/ref=pd_bbs_1/002-3092176-4100044?%5Fencoding=UTF8&v=glance</a></p>

[Icarii_Raven`Lyon]

<div></div><div></div><blockquote><hr>Moorgard wrote:<div></div><blockquote><hr>Fayline Fyrecat wrote:<div></div><div>No pre-order goodies for me I'm afraid, have to download.  Still in the no-dvd-drive dark ages, lol.</div><hr></blockquote><p>I should point out that KoS comes on CDs, not DVDs. So those of you without DVD drives don't have to live in shame any longer. :p</p><hr></blockquote><p>Thats weird, cause I swear when I ordered my box copy from amazon.com it said it was on dvd.</p><p>-should have read the above post before i posted...oh well =)</p><p>Message Edited by Icarii_Raven`Lyon on <span class="date_text">02-15-2006</span><span class="time_text">01:29 PM</span></p>

[Melfius]

<div></div>Why no DVDs anyways?

[PowerTrip]

<div>they nerfed the dvd's too</div>

[Melfius]

<div></div>NOOO!  They nerfed DVDs!   Oh, the HORROR!

[Druzgotek]

<div></div><div>No KoS for me until devs reimburse items gone from my house due to server merges.</div>

[Twizzel]

<div></div>I think I will wait this time.  If they don't do something reasonable with the imbued rings, I will just keep what I have until something else comes along.  After all, I bought two rings based on something the devs put in the game and advertised.  I would expect my rares back if the rings become unusable to me (two int rings that are nowhere near gamebreaking--lvl 30).  We shall see if the devs really have the players best interests at heart...

[KAM]

<div></div><span><blockquote><hr>Moorgard wrote:<blockquote><hr>Fayline Fyrecat wrote:<div>No pre-order goodies for me I'm afraid, have to download.  Still in the no-dvd-drive dark ages, lol.</div><hr></blockquote><p><font color="#ff0000">I should point out that KoS comes on CDs, not DVDs. So those of you without DVD drives don't have to live in shame any longer. :p</font></p><hr></blockquote>Maybe you should tell your vendors this?<a target="_blank" href="http://www.berlinwall.com.au/html/b_comingsoon.php">BWSS (australia):</a></span><a target="_blank" href="http://www.berlinwall.com.au/html/g_basketedit.php?r=86029"><img width="21" border="0" src="http://www.berlinwall.com.au/html/images/search_addbasket.gif" height="18"></a><img src="http://www.berlinwall.com.au/html/images/webcategory_pcgames.gif"><b><font>23-02-2006</font></b><font><b>[<a href="http://www.berlinwall.com.au/html/g_autonotify.php?regno=86029" target="_blank"><img width="18" border="0" src="http://www.berlinwall.com.au/html/images/b_autonotify.gif" height="18">86029</a> ]</b></font>EVERQUEST 2: KINGDOM OF SKY DVD-ROM$36.19$34.7415<a href="http://www.ebgames.com/ebx/product/260786.asp" target="_blank">EB Games (worldwide)</a><a href="http://www.play.com/play247.asp?pa=stcs8&page=title&r=PC&title=872908" target="_blank">Play.com (UK)</a>Suprisingly enough, they all list the game as DVD, or the box art for the game has PC DVD-ROM written on it.<div></div>

[Mat]

<div></div><p>I say take a week's leave and finish every possible quests which give decent reward, kill every possible mobs that drop good loots as I can feel quest reward nerfs like PP access are coming.  <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /></p><p>THE Fact of any MMO: Being first batch of hardcore no-lifer player is FTW.  :p</p>

[jaffs]

probably cheaper for them to give us 4 x 10 cent cds than 1 x 50 cent dvd.profit > *<div></div>

[Jai1]

<div>Back to the OP...  I have a totally different attitude.  First, the game isn't going to stop changing.  All change will be viewed differently depending on how one is affected.  That being said, there's no way around it. </div><div> </div><div>I too get the feeling they lack planning on some things.  Shards and rings for instance.  I imagine they are flying by the seat of there pants at times instead of looking at a five years plan.  I'm sure they have a long term plan but the changes are reactive.  There's a constant shift of priorities it seems.  I personally don't count on anything being the same in a year and will continue to play as long as I see the game as playable with the classes and profession I choose.  As long as Im enjoying the elements, I'll adapt my playstyle to the game mechanics.</div><div> </div><div>Now as far as boycotting an expansion, not tanking for groups or quiting crafting, none of those seem like anymore than threats. Same goes for cancelled subs.  Hey, if you don't like the game, don't torture yourself by holding onto it. It's kinda like being in a bad relationship and sticking around because you either don't want to be alone or don't want to date again.  Plenty of fish in the sea and every game is different.  Played a lot of them... I like EQ2.</div><div> </div><div>Lastly, I buy the expansions for new content.  New levels, new quests(Signature?), gear, zones, crafting and what have you.  The changes aren't going to stop and most have nothing to do with the new content.  Do I think it's going to be solid on release? Hardly, theres going to be constant tweaking and changing.  As a player, I see it as a neccesary evil. I want the new content fast and they can fix the gear/quests whatever while I'm leveling.  I don't think KoS will be unplayable.  </div>

[Suta]

<div></div><blockquote><hr>Moorgard wrote:<div></div><blockquote><hr>Fayline Fyrecat wrote:<div></div><div>No pre-order goodies for me I'm afraid, have to download.  Still in the no-dvd-drive dark ages, lol.</div><hr></blockquote><p>I should point out that KoS comes on CDs, not DVDs. So those of you without DVD drives don't have to live in shame any longer. :p</p><hr></blockquote><p>*Scratches head*  Does this mean there will be no retail DVD version now, just PC-CDROMs?</p><p> </p>