Anyone else heard?

[Galag]

<div>I have no idea of how valid this is, but about a day or so ago, I was told that grey creatures were going to be dropping chests. Just wondering if anyone has heard anything of this sort, because I'm pretty skeptic about it.</div><div> </div><div>PS: Please don't reply with posts about how stupid this question is, etc....</div>

[LanatirInno]

<div>Now thats a stupid.....no, dont worry. I have not heard anything about it, but i surely wouldnt like it, because then farming would go crazy, and low level players could rightout stop playing.</div>

[Vulking]

<div></div>Grey mobs will not be dropping chests.

[Galag]

<div></div><div></div>Thanks for info, was kinda getting worried about it cause I know it would screw things up big time. Now i can go and let the person who told me know.<p>Message Edited by Galagos on <span class="date_text">01-25-2006</span><span class="time_text">11:06 AM</span></p>

[Kaan]

<div>I heard rumors but nothing thats, IMO, truth.  If greys dropped chests...the whole game would start to be farmed, it wouldn't be helped; you'd get the people who needed just a little extra money, so they'd break down and go to CL and start mass killing orcs and all the names out there...then move to other zones and repeat the process.  CL may be a bit low, but imagine a level 60 sweeping through TF...or a level 50 going through RoV or RE...they could sweep through the area so fast that the spawns most likey couldn't keep up.  Then...if they were in a group  >.></div><div> </div><div>I really don't think SOE is going to do that...it, IMO, is obviously a VERY poor decision.</div><div> </div><div>Oh and BTW...No questions is a stupid question  ^^  How will you ever know if you don't ask?  I say bah to the people that call everyone noobs that ask, what they consider simple questions.  They had to ask simple questions at some point.</div>

[Rijacki]

It's a stupid idea (greys dropping chests), but not a stupid question.  It's better to have a rumor out in the open so it can be squashed or validated.There has also been the rumor that greys will stop giving any quest updates which is also a stupid idea (and not just for those who like to do the old-style book quests they have filling up their bank inventory while waiting around for friends to show up or other such).<div></div>

[AdamWest007]

<div></div><div></div><p>Grey mobs already drop chests, and many people use this to farm.  Level 30 toon pulls a lv 35 named mob.  Ungrouped level 60 toon kills the named mob and a (metal) chest drops.  So in essence the lv 35 named mob, which is grey to the level 60 toon, dropped a chest.</p><p>Allowing all grey mobs to drop chests would not increase the farming rate, it would just level the playing field.</p><p>And it's not like you would suddenly see CL being cleared by level 60 toons.  The drops there (even from the named mobs) sell for next to nothing compared to what a level 60 can make from drops from trash mobs.</p><p>All this would affect is the revamped dungeons (FG/SH, RoV, and RE) where master chests drop like crazy.  But these dungeons are all farmed to oblivion anyway.   </p><p> </p><p>Message Edited by AdamWest007 on <span class="date_text">01-25-2006</span><span class="time_text">11:46 AM</span></p>

[Rijacki]

<span><blockquote><hr>AdamWest007 wrote:<div></div><div></div><p>Grey mobs already drop chests, and many people use this to farm.  Level 30 toon pulls a lv 35 named mob.  Ungrouped level 60 toon kills the named mob and a (metal) chest drops.  So in essence the lv 35 named mob, which is grey to the level 60 toon, dropped a chest.</p><hr></blockquote>The mob is not grey to the one who first got agro which is the heart of the exploit used by farmers.  Yes, the code allows it, but it is an exploit in that it gets around the intent which is "no grey drops a chest".This is something the devs are trying to work to find a solution to without locking encounters again since many have expressed the desire to have encounters open to help others legitimately.Personally, I feel the benefits to having encounters open is limited but locking them did minimise the type of farming unlocked encounters not only allows but encourages.</span><div></div>

[Boat Meadow]

<div>I'm sure this has already been suggested, but why not just make it so if the person/group that pulled the mob doesn't do 50% of the damage then no chest - period.  It's pretty easy to see who is doing this when you go to buy something off of someone and they have 50+ Masters for sale - I'm level 50 and have yet to see a metal chest.  I guess I need to learn where to farm or, gasp, actually group so I can take those named mobs <img src="/smilies/8a80c6485cd926be453217d59a84a888.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /></div>

[VikodiN]

<div></div><font color="#ccffff">I could see chests dropping that contained quests but other than that, I hope greys never drop chests with anything in them of value.</font>

[Terabethia]

<div></div><blockquote><hr>VikodiN wrote:<div></div><font color="#ccffff">I could see chests dropping that contained quests but other than that, I hope greys never drop chests with anything in them of value.</font><hr></blockquote><font color="#33ccff">Most mobs, if not all mobs, that drop a quest component or quest starter will drop it as body loot if it is grey to you. They made this change long ago so that people who missed out on a quest could still go back and get it. Mobs will give body loot if grey, but no chests.</font>

[bluefish]

<div></div><blockquote><hr>AdamWest007 wrote:<div></div><div></div><p>Grey mobs already drop chests, and many people use this to farm.  Level 30 toon pulls a lv 35 named mob.  Ungrouped level 60 toon kills the named mob and a (metal) chest drops.  So in essence the lv 35 named mob, which is grey to the level 60 toon, dropped a chest.</p><p>Allowing all grey mobs to drop chests would not increase the farming rate, it would just level the playing field.</p><p>And it's not like you would suddenly see CL being cleared by level 60 toons.  The drops there (even from the named mobs) sell for next to nothing compared to what a level 60 can make from drops from trash mobs.</p><p>All this would affect is the revamped dungeons (FG/SH, RoV, and RE) where master chests drop like crazy.  But these dungeons are all farmed to oblivion anyway.   </p><p> </p><p>Message Edited by AdamWest007 on <span class="date_text">01-25-2006</span><span class="time_text">11:46 AM</span></p><hr></blockquote>Yes this is true BUT, the group has to attack the mob forst AND the group must also do more than 50% damage to the mob .. if the ungrouped level 60 guy does more than 50% damage to the mob , then the group gets nothing ....

[Xaz]

<div></div><span><blockquote><hr>Boat Meadow wrote:<div>I'm sure this has already been suggested, but why not just make it so if the person/group that pulled the mob doesn't do 50% of the damage then no chest - period.  It's pretty easy to see who is doing this when you go to buy something off of someone and they have 50+ Masters for sale - I'm level 50 and have yet to see a metal chest.  I guess I need to learn where to farm or, gasp, actually group so I can take those named mobs <img src="/smilies/8a80c6485cd926be453217d59a84a888.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /></div><hr></blockquote>The flaw with this is that you will have griefers that can (and will) run around hitting your engaged mob to beat you to 50%.  It happened in EQ1, it will happen here.Also there is an error in a prior post; the group that gains tags the encounter does not have to do a % amount of damage to gain XP, they get it regardless.see http://eqiiforums.station.sony.com/eq2/board/message?board.id=gameplay&message.id=6812 for discussion on groups not requiring %see http://eqiiforums.station.sony.com/eq2/board/message?board.id=testfeed&message.id=43763 for discussion on mobs conning to your level regardless of group members levels.</span><div></div><p>Message Edited by Xaz on <span class="date_text">01-28-2006</span><span class="time_text">11:20 AM</span></p>

[Rijacki]

<span><blockquote><hr>Terabethia wrote:<div></div><blockquote><hr>VikodiN wrote:<div></div><font color="#ccffff">I could see chests dropping that contained quests but other than that, I hope greys never drop chests with anything in them of value.</font><hr></blockquote><font color="#33ccff">Most mobs, if not all mobs, that drop a quest component or quest starter will drop it as body loot if it is grey to you. They made this change long ago so that people who missed out on a quest could still go back and get it. Mobs will give body loot if grey, but no chests.</font><hr></blockquote>Very few mobs drop quest starters as body loot.  In fact, they are just HQ starters which are dropped as body look and only as body loot now: Lightstone, Stilletto's Orders, Screaming Mace (I think that's the one). All other quest starters drop in chests and only in chests.  If the mob is grey, you cannot get it on your own.Even the quest starter for Berrik's sword is a chest drop, but it is not used IN an HQ, it is used to -enhance- an HQ reward.</span><div></div>