One small, small thing

[ganng]

<div>Let me say that I 100% love the new IoR, this should have been in place since day 1. </div><div> </div><div>However I need to ask:</div><div> </div><div>Who thought that PINK armor was fitting for EVIL players???</div><div> </div><div>"I am evil... fear my pink-ness!!", just does not see to fit.</div><div> </div><div> </div>

[Fortai]

<div></div><div></div><div>I never understood why people think pink = " sissy."  I guess the people in Norrath don't care <img src="/smilies/8a80c6485cd926be453217d59a84a888.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />  I like the new low level armor, at least the characters look distinctive unlike before.  Plus it's an incentive to get some better armor.</div><div> </div><div>I wouldn't change the armor.  What I would change is most of the evil island.  It looks a little too pretty I think.  Qeynos is fine.</div><p>Message Edited by liquidsol on <span class="date_text">01-15-2006</span><span class="time_text">09:41 PM</span></p>

[Keyh]

<span><blockquote><hr>ganng wrote:<div>Let me say that I 100% love the new IoR, this should have been in place since day 1. </div><div> </div><div>However I need to ask:</div><div> </div><div>Who thought that PINK armor was fitting for EVIL players???</div><div> </div><div>"I am evil... fear my pink-ness!!", just does not see to fit.</div><div> </div><div> </div><hr></blockquote>I don't know about everyone else, but I always stood behind the pink scout AQ armor was the best one... meh. Pink rocks.</span><div></div>

[Sritt]

<div>Actually for a lot of the Freeport armor its just the icon that's a pinkish red (Think its supposed to be red but the tint is a bit towards pink, as the Qeynos icons are a robins egg blue, a bit pastel, though the armor itself isn't the same tint). In Freeport the Berserker trainer has reddish-pink plate armor, sticks out a lot and looks a bit silly I think, but he's a berserker I'm not going to say anything to his face about it <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /></div>

[EtoilePirate]

<div><span><blockquote><hr>Sritthh wrote:<div>Actually for a lot of the Freeport armor its just the icon that's a pinkish red (Think its supposed to be red but the tint is a bit towards pink, as the Qeynos icons are a robins egg blue, a bit pastel, though the armor itself isn't the same tint). In Freeport the Berserker trainer has reddish-pink plate armor, sticks out a lot and looks a bit silly I think, but he's a berserker I'm not going to say anything to his face about it <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /></div><hr></blockquote>New IoR brigand armor is <font color="#cc0066">pink</font>.  I think it's funny -- not so much for the evil thing, but for the class.  Stealthy, evil, deadly... and pink.</span></div>

[Tinantier]

<div><span><blockquote><hr>ganng wrote:<div>Let me say that I 100% love the new IoR, this should have been in place since day 1. </div><div> </div><div>However I need to ask:</div><div> </div><div>Who thought that PINK armor was fitting for EVIL players???</div><div> </div><div>"I am evil... fear my pink-ness!!", just does not see to fit.</div><div> </div><div> </div><hr></blockquote>serisously, if i saw a troll decked out fully in pink armour coming towards me, i would be scared <span>:smileytongue: </span></span></div>

[Dawnrise]

<div></div><blockquote><hr>EtoilePB wrote:<div><span><blockquote><hr>Sritthh wrote:<div>Actually for a lot of the Freeport armor its just the icon that's a pinkish red (Think its supposed to be red but the tint is a bit towards pink, as the Qeynos icons are a robins egg blue, a bit pastel, though the armor itself isn't the same tint). In Freeport the Berserker trainer has reddish-pink plate armor, sticks out a lot and looks a bit silly I think, but he's a berserker I'm not going to say anything to his face about it <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /></div><hr></blockquote>New IoR brigand armor is <font color="#cc0066">pink</font>.  I think it's funny -- not so much for the evil thing, but for the class.  Stealthy, evil, deadly... and pink.</span></div><hr></blockquote><p>Sounds like the robe that drops in the graveyard.  I got that for my necro.  It certainly looks like it MEANS to be red, but just comes across a little too far on the pink side - kind of mulberry rather than blood.  Ironically, the icon for that is gold!  The rest of the icons are red/pink and show as a dull dove grey.</p><p>Deep</p>

[Rattfa]

I would have said it was more <font color="#993366">magenta</font> than <font color="#ff66cc">pink <span>:smileytongue:</span><font color="#ffffff">I think the brigand armour looks pretty [expletive haxx0red by Raijinn] cool...as does most of the rest of the new armour....with the exeption of bruiser...w.t.f is going on there???</font></font><div></div>

[Coastwatcher]

<div><div><em>I wouldn't change the armor.  What I would change is most of the evil island.  It looks a little too pretty I think.  Qeynos is fine.</em></div><div><em></em> </div><div>You just couldn't believe why pink = sissy, then you say this ? When did evil = not pretty ? If Lucan wants his recruits to start out in an idyllic island, more power to him. :smileywink:</div></div>

[Sritt]

<div></div>Besides which the Overlord is invading the island, trying to force the Tunarian Alliance off of it so he can take full control. Give it a couple years it'll be dark and gloomy like Freeport <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />

[MadLordOfMilk]

<div><span><blockquote><hr>EtoilePB wrote:<div><span><blockquote><hr>Sritthh wrote:<div>Actually for a lot of the Freeport armor its just the icon that's a pinkish red (Think its supposed to be red but the tint is a bit towards pink, as the Qeynos icons are a robins egg blue, a bit pastel, though the armor itself isn't the same tint). In Freeport the Berserker trainer has reddish-pink plate armor, sticks out a lot and looks a bit silly I think, but he's a berserker I'm not going to say anything to his face about it <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /></div><hr></blockquote>New IoR brigand armor is <font color="#cc0066">pink</font>.  I think it's funny -- not so much for the evil thing, but for the class.  Stealthy, evil, deadly... and pink.</span></div><hr></blockquote>It's not really a <font color="#ff00cc">pink</font> so much as it is a <font color="#ff0066">light red</font>. The problem is, it's a tad too light <span>:smileyhappy:</span></span></div>

[Rhianni]

<div></div><blockquote><hr>liquidsol wrote:<div></div><div></div><div>I never understood why people think pink = " sissy."  I guess the people in Norrath don't care <img src="/smilies/8a80c6485cd926be453217d59a84a888.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />  I like the new low level armor, at least the characters look distinctive unlike before.  Plus it's an incentive to get some better armor.</div><div> </div><div>I wouldn't change the armor.  What I would change is most of the evil island.  It looks a little too pretty I think.  Qeynos is fine.</div><p>Message Edited by liquidsol on <span class="date_text">01-15-2006</span><span class="time_text">09:41 PM</span></p><hr></blockquote>Pink is the traditional color for baby girls.  Light sky blue is the color of baby boys.

[Sritt]

<div></div><blockquote><hr>Rhianni wrote:<div></div><blockquote><hr>liquidsol wrote:<div></div><div></div><div>I never understood why people think pink = " sissy."  I guess the people in Norrath don't care <img src="/smilies/8a80c6485cd926be453217d59a84a888.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />  I like the new low level armor, at least the characters look distinctive unlike before.  Plus it's an incentive to get some better armor.</div><div> </div><div>I wouldn't change the armor.  What I would change is most of the evil island.  It looks a little too pretty I think.  Qeynos is fine.</div><p>Message Edited by liquidsol on <span class="date_text">01-15-2006</span><span class="time_text">09:41 PM</span></p><hr></blockquote>Pink is the traditional color for baby girls.  Light sky blue is the color of baby boys.<hr></blockquote>So Qeynos are little boys, and Freeport are little girls? I think the intent was blue=good and red=evil (hence the monks red/blue yin/yang icon now). They might want to darkent the tints on the armor though just to avoid people thinking its pink and baby blue.

[arathym]

<div></div>I darkened the armor slightly.  Not sure if this made it in today, if not it will soon.  The problem we run into is the continuity of leveling up and searching for something better.  If we give the crimson red robe of uber darkness right off the bat, it makes it hard to make a super crimson robe of uber darkness (tm).  <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />  Thanks for the feedback.

[Rhianni]

<div></div><blockquote><hr>Sritthh wrote:<div></div><blockquote><hr>Rhianni wrote:<div></div><blockquote><hr>liquidsol wrote:<div></div><div></div><div>I never understood why people think pink = " sissy."  I guess the people in Norrath don't care <img src="/smilies/8a80c6485cd926be453217d59a84a888.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />  I like the new low level armor, at least the characters look distinctive unlike before.  Plus it's an incentive to get some better armor.</div><div> </div><div>I wouldn't change the armor.  What I would change is most of the evil island.  It looks a little too pretty I think.  Qeynos is fine.</div><p>Message Edited by liquidsol on <span class="date_text">01-15-2006</span><span class="time_text">09:41 PM</span></p><hr></blockquote>Pink is the traditional color for baby girls.  Light sky blue is the color of baby boys.<hr></blockquote>So Qeynos are little boys, and Freeport are little girls? I think the intent was blue=good and red=evil (hence the monks red/blue yin/yang icon now). They might want to darkent the tints on the armor though just to avoid people thinking its pink and baby blue.<hr></blockquote>GI Joe shot red lasers and Autobots were red.  Cobra shot blue lasers and Deceptigons were purple and blue..  Have we learned nothing from our cartoon past :smileysad:

[RyanTSi]

<div></div><p>heres a picture of the brigand/freeport armor from right now on test....</p><p><img src="http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y63/regulatez/new.jpg"></p><p>brigands are thugs/thiefs/rogues.....they dont really look like it though</p>

[selch]

<div></div><blockquote><hr>RyanTSi wrote:<div></div><p>heres a picture of the brigand/freeport armor from right now on test....</p><p>brigands are thugs/thiefs/rogues.....they dont really look like it though</p><hr></blockquote><p>And it does not look pink to me actually...</p><p> </p>

[AratornCalahn]

The devs simply hate brigands... pink on IoR, Purple at 20, then in KoS, we are the Hamburgler... <img src="/smilies/9d71f0541cff0a302a0309c5079e8dee.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /><div></div>

[schrammy]

<div></div><p>[Removed for Content], the hamburglar. :smileyvery-happy: :smileyvery-happy:</p><p>I know it looked bad, but i had not yet thaught of that one :smileyvery-happy:</p>

[Rinweth]

<div></div><div></div><p>Think veteran players could get the chance to go back to these islands? It would scale their level down to the appropriate level, of course.</p><p>As for the hamburglar comment, lol. That looks was in the original game if any of you have seen it. The deputies in Rivervale wore those hats and masks. Was funny training mini-zorro's around the zone.</p><p>Message Edited by Rinweth on <span class="date_text">01-19-2006</span><span class="time_text">09:03 AM</span></p>

[Duhulk]

<div>Dude, you get a 99.99% AE avoid.  The Hamburgler mask is the price you pay =p</div>

[ArivenGemini]

<div><span><blockquote><hr>Duhulk wrote:<div>Dude, you get a 99.99% AE avoid.  The Hamburgler mask is the price you pay =p</div><hr></blockquote>It looks more like a Zorro hat/mask to me than a hamburgler..   well as long as a hafling doesn't wear it <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /></span></div>

[SniperKitty]

<span><blockquote><hr size="2" width="100%"><font color="#ffcc00">arathym wrote:</font><font color="#ffcc00"></font><font color="#ffcc00">I darkened the armor slightly.  Not sure if this made it in today, if not it will soon.  The problem we run into is the continuity of leveling up and searching for something better.  If we give the crimson red robe of uber darkness right off the bat, it makes it hard to make a super crimson robe of uber darkness (tm).  <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />  Thanks for the feedback.</font><hr>I think you art devs are missing the point.  People want their characters to look nice, to look cool all the time.  They want to have a certain look that sets them apart.  Unfortunately, EQ2 has failed awesomely at this.  There's not really any individuality to the game.  There's no way for us to create our look and have it be our look. SOE should have went with a character creation system similar to City of Heroes.  I would love for less detailed and shiny armor if it meant I could create a character image of my own choosing and stick with it throughout the life of that character.  Loot drops could be used to open up new graphics for characters as they adventure.  They take a pattern back to an npc tailor or maybe even pc's could become tailors and create a new graphic that the character could add to their lineup of outfits.Stat enhancements and effects could be achieved by using inventory slots just the way we do now, but without the graphic tied to that slot.  My lvl 12 SK on the test server looks horrible.  Leather boots, chain pants, leather tunic, plate arms, cloth bracer, and leather gloves.  All of wildly different colors.  I have no choice but to wear those if I want to wear something other than the no stat armor you buy from NPC's (which I couldn't afford a full set anyway).I'd love for there to be a way for us to decide what our characters armor looks like, regardless of what they're actually wearing.  Realism is ok, but the current mismatched sets of armor are nothing realistic at all.  You can't just slap on a pair of metal vangaurd armor without the full suit so all the straps and buckles support the weight across the body evenly.</blockquote></span><div></div>

[Nahlis]

<div></div><blockquote><hr>Tinantier wrote:<div><span>serisously, if i saw a troll decked out fully in pink armour coming towards me, i would be scared <span>:smileytongue: </span></span></div><hr></blockquote>Should have seen my troll bruiser for a while there when they made Bruiser gi's pink.  Bright green Trolls wearing hot pink are just wrong on many, many levels. heh

[Pashta]

<div></div><blockquote><hr>SniperKitty wrote:<span><blockquote>I think you art devs are missing the point.  People want their characters to look nice, to look cool all the time.  They want to have a certain look that sets them apart.  Unfortunately, EQ2 has failed awesomely at this.  There's not really any individuality to the game.  There's no way for us to create our look and have it be our look. </span><hr></blockquote></blockquote><p> Yes, we do want to look cool all the time, but it really does add to the fun of the game to be able to look cooler when you get stronger and of higher levels...  you don't look "newbie" anymore when you aren't!   Human nature states that we will want everything NOW, but the smart game designers know that they shouldn't give us everything we want because sometimes we just don't know what's for our own good.  <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /></p><p> As for your other points, I agree and think that they should definitely add in the ability to dye armor and clothing so we can seem at least a little unique, but newbies should not have access to these dyes.  They should be expensive or require the completion of a daunting quest.</p><p> </p>

[Eirgo]

<div></div><blockquote><hr>Ariven wrote:<div><span><blockquote><hr>Duhulk wrote:<div>Dude, you get a 99.99% AE avoid.  The Hamburgler mask is the price you pay =p</div><hr></blockquote>It looks more like a Zorro hat/mask to me than a hamburgler..   well as long as a hafling doesn't wear it <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /></span></div><hr></blockquote>You just gave me a nice flashback to the Mischief Makers in the Alice in Wonderland area of the Plane on Mischief in EQ1 :smileyhappy:

[Throbus]

<div><span><blockquote><hr>Sritthh wrote:<div></div><blockquote><hr>Rhianni wrote:<div></div>Pink is the traditional color for baby girls.  Light sky blue is the color of baby boys.<hr></blockquote>So Qeynos are little boys, and Freeport are little girls? I think the intent was blue=good and red=evil (hence the monks red/blue yin/yang icon now). They might want to darkent the tints on the armor though just to avoid people thinking its pink and baby blue.<hr></blockquote>No, no, no, no! What Rhianni is saying is: girls are evil, boys are good. <span>:smileywink:</span></span></div>

[SniperKitty]

<span><blockquote><hr><font color="#ffcc00">Pashta wrote:</font><div><font color="#ffcc00">Yes, we do want to look cool all the time, but it really does add to the fun of the game to be able to look cooler when you get stronger and of higher levels...  you don't look "newbie" anymore when you aren't!   Human nature states that we will want everything NOW, but the smart game designers know that they shouldn't give us everything we want because sometimes we just don't know what's for our own good.  <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /></font></div><p><font color="#ffcc00"> As for your other points, I agree and think that they should definitely add in the ability to dye armor and clothing so we can seem at least a little unique, but newbies should not have access to these dyes.  They should be expensive or require the completion of a daunting quest.</font></p><hr>Guess you missed the part where I mentioned loot drops would unlock new item appearances for characters.  Give everyone a wide range of options for various gear at character creation and then as they level, they have the ability to find new patterns or schematics for armor and weapons that allow them to either learn to make them or take them to an npc/pc tailor and have them made, giving them access to those new graphics.They can then go to a tailor, either npc or pc, and spend some coin designing a new outfit with the new graphics or just tinkering with an old outfit.  I would give up tons of the so called "realism" we have in graphics now just for some diversity.  Forget the shiny, dented beat up armor that looks like crap.  Go with some real nice looking armor that you can piece together, change colors, and fiddle around with til you're happy with it.  Just like City of Heroes.  There are people out there that all they enjoy is making new outfits for their characters and and new character concepts for their characters based around an outfit on that game.Why can't we have something like that here?</blockquote></span><div></div>

[Pashta]

<div><blockquote><hr>SniperKitty wrote:<span><blockquote>Guess you missed the part where I mentioned loot drops would unlock new item appearances for characters.  Give everyone a wide range of options for various gear at character creation and then as they level, they have the ability to find new patterns or schematics for armor and weapons that allow them to either learn to make them or take them to an npc/pc tailor and have them made, giving them access to those new graphics.</span><hr></blockquote></blockquote> I didn't miss that part, I just think that it would be far too complex for the designers to add it in.  It would be easy to add dyes, however...</div><div> </div><div> </div>

[Geekyone]

<div></div><blockquote><hr>Tinantier wrote:<div><span><blockquote>serisously, if i saw a troll decked out fully in pink armour coming towards me, i would be scared <span>:smileytongue: </span></span></blockquote></div><hr></blockquote>roflmao.....

[Sritt]

<div></div><blockquote><hr>Throbus wrote:<div><span><blockquote><hr>Sritthh wrote:<div></div><blockquote><hr>Rhianni wrote:<div></div>Pink is the traditional color for baby girls.  Light sky blue is the color of baby boys.<hr></blockquote>So Qeynos are little boys, and Freeport are little girls? I think the intent was blue=good and red=evil (hence the monks red/blue yin/yang icon now). They might want to darkent the tints on the armor though just to avoid people thinking its pink and baby blue.<hr></blockquote>No, no, no, no! What Rhianni is saying is: girls are evil, boys are good. <span>:smileywink:</span></span></div><hr></blockquote><p>Heh, okay good point, and I agree fully :smileyvery-happy:</p><p>As for dyes, I wouldn't mind a tinting system, but make it so a particular piece can only be tinted once, and depending on the type of armor different colors would be available, cloth should have the most since its the easiest to dye, then leather. Plate and chain could be about equal. All should have a variety of colors and some should overlap. ALso it should be a tint not a fully wash. Some areas of armor should stay the original color, and maybe the tints only alter the color not replace it. I always hated the fact that the 'cool' color dyes were so massively expensive hard to find. Dyes/tints should all be equal and not too hard. Perhaps they could be new alchemist recipes to make them rather than have merchants do them. As for applying them that's another story. You could try yourself but if you weren't a crafter of hte right type to make the type of armor you're dying you could botch it with random results (and for non-legendary and fabled maybe it could get ruined or at least visually nighmarishly pink heh). Some armor might also be undyable (especially fabled since these are supposed to be distinctive armors anyway). You could have someone else dye it for you but only if its not already attuned (unless they added a mechanism to allow 'lending' an item for purpose of dying or imbuing but not equipabble to the person doing it). There is options they could use but none of them are really all that easy to implement due to the way the engine currently works. What may seem simple to us may be a lot harder when you take into account how the item database works.</p>