Devs a little question....

[Rha]

<div>Do u test Chanters and Sorcs in Raid Situations ? It seems u dont</div><div> </div><div>please focus on raids too , i know its a minority in the game and most ppl are casual players</div><div>but casual gaming isnt that fun really for me and I really love it to raid and it should make fun  but sorcs or chanters in raids are not really fun atm</div><div> </div><div>if u would do we were a bit more effective  but Sorcs and Chanters are not really required for a raid atm</div><div> </div><div>Troubas can mez/charm , Bards have better power regen compared with chanters</div><div> </div><div>why do I generate more hate for less dmg compared with a scout or a summoner ?</div><div> </div><div>why have conjurors and almost equal AOE dmg spell to Devastation ? with 2sec cast time</div><div> </div><div>why do we need more power for dmg than summoners ?</div><div> </div><div>why have have summoners so fast recast and cast timers ? isnt the pet dmg not enough ?</div><div> </div><div> </div><div> </div><div> </div><div> </div>

[Magu]

<div></div><span><blockquote><hr>Rhaas wrote:<div>why have have summoners so fast recast and cast timers ? isnt the pet dmg not enough ?</div><hr></blockquote>Because our spells do practically no damage? Our pet <u><i><b>is</b></i></u><i><b> </b></i>where most of our damage comes from.Edit: to illustrate the point, a level 30 wizard has nukes that do almost twice the damage of my Master I level 57 nuke.</span><div></div><p>Message Edited by Magus` on <span class="date_text">01-08-2006</span><span class="time_text">05:27 AM</span></p>

[Iccurus]

As he pointed out Summoner's do very little dmg themselves, my fury of the same lvl can outNUKE as in not throwing on the two dots or enemy mastery my conj's entire list of dmg if she's not using the pbAoE... think probably be close to more even with it.Just a little perspective~<div></div>

[Tanit]

<span><blockquote>Iccurus wrote:As he pointed out Summoner's do very little dmg themselves, my fury of the same lvl can outNUKE as in not throwing on the two dots or enemy mastery my conj's entire list of dmg if she's not using the pbAoE... think probably be close to more even with it.Just a little perspective~<div></div><hr></blockquote>His point is probably that summoners outdamage sorcerers easily. That the damage is coming from pets instead of nukes is irrelevant.</span><div></div>

[Dasein]

<div></div><hr>His point is probably that summoners outdamage sorcerers easily. That the damage is coming from pets instead of nukes is irrelevant.<hr>Different damage types, most likely. Resists make a big difference, and if the mob you're fighting is resistant to the type of damage you do, then your DPS will suck.

[Tanit]

<span><blockquote><hr>Caswydian wrote:Different damage types, most likely. Resists make a big difference, and if the mob you're fighting is resistant to the type of damage you do, then your DPS will suck.<hr></blockquote>I was talking about mobs that don't resist anything.</span><div></div>

[OperationsX]

<div></div><div></div>YAY another clueless sorcerer troll who has no understanding about the summoner class. You know just cuz your head was in a 400 foot sand dune and you payed no attention to summoners or how their mechanics were till you decided to flip up a dps parser and realize...HEY were good at sustained dps! If you even did that, I'm giving you the benefit of the doubt from sounding completely uninformative, but what you say is just wrong:<blockquote><hr>Rhaas wrote:<div>Do u test Chanters and Sorcs in Raid Situations ? It seems u dont</div><div> </div><div>please focus on raids too , i know its a minority in the game and most ppl are casual players</div><div>but casual gaming isnt that fun really for me and I really love it to raid and it should make fun  but sorcs or chanters in raids are not really fun atm</div><div> </div><div>if u would do we were a bit more effective  but Sorcs and Chanters are not really required for a raid atm</div><div> </div><div>Troubas can mez/charm , Bards have better power regen compared with chanters</div><div> </div><div>why do I generate more hate for less dmg compared with a scout or a summoner ? <font color="#ff0000">Might wanna NOT nuke mobs on incoming with Ice comet? My pet can steal aggro at will from a sorcerer, anytime , any place, Summoners right now have the highest aggro generation on average fights, usually our pets get eaten first, it is a skill thing though but usually when we place Blazing presence we gotta immediately put our rune on or our pet heal savior. Can't comment on Scouts, but I know ranger aggro is insane as well, basically the only class that murderers a sorcerer on dps ALL the time, not a summoner...</font></div><div> </div><div>why have conjurors and almost equal AOE dmg spell to Devastation ? with 2sec cast time <font color="#ff0000">Equal to devastation? What are you smoking? Devastation is the best AoE spell in the game, period, we have to cast all 3 of our AE spells to surpass the damage, that's 8 seconds of casting, not 2.. and one is a out of encounter AE, Flash flood (wow 400ish damage max) AE , Seismic tremor 400ish to 1300ish ad3, OUT of encounter AE and Shattered Land, 300ish max, ticks 5 times, 1500ish, devastation does that on average in 2 ticks..</font></div><div> </div><div>why do we need more power for dmg than summoners ? <font color="#ff0000">Funny, last time I was grouped with sorcerers my power pool gave out before theirs and I had MORE power. Your talking having to catch up with just ONE spell, Ice comet, we gotta do about 5-6 spell casts on a single target to do as much damage, that's alot more power.</font></div><div> </div><div>why have have summoners so fast recast and cast timers ? isnt the pet dmg not enough ? <font color="#ff0000">Fast recast? Have you even ever seen out spell line up? All of our sustained dps spells have Ice comet recasts and some TWICE the recast of ice comet. The only thing we have fast recast on is our DD, our BEST DD, can do up to 600ish damage...woah oh and our Dott that does about 300ish upfront and 80ish dot max, then our AE and PBAoE are both 20 seconds, EVERYTHING else is 40-45seconds or more. So on a typical heroic pull after we have done all of our dumbfire pets, Blazing presence pet damaging proc, Shattered Land AoE dot we are left with using our 600 DD and 300ish DD with 80ish Dot and 400ish AE , that's not alot of burst damage at all..</font></div><div><font color="#ff0000"></font> </div><div><font color="#ff0000">Again fix your own classes issues and troll off from a class that you completely don't understand</font></div><div> </div><div> </div><div> </div><div> </div><div> </div><hr></blockquote><p>Message Edited by OperationsX on <span class="date_text">01-08-2006</span><span class="time_text">04:34 PM</span></p>