New Years Wish - Security for zones with timer

[Squall Leonhea]

It happened more than one time now that either someone accidently entered a raid zone and had 1 week timer or that someone left the raid zone when he wanted to resurrect in the Zone. So please implement a window which ask you if you want to leave or enter a zone with timer. Shouldn't be too difficult but would safe a lot of stress for us and the GMs. <div></div>

[Landiin]

<div></div><p>Or people pay attention to what they are doing instead of just mindlessly clicking. </p><div></div>

[Magu]

<span><blockquote><hr>Landiin wrote:<div></div><p>Or people pay attention to what they are doing instead of just mindlessly clicking. </p><div></div><hr></blockquote>I like this idea better.</span><div></div>

[daneeq]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Magus` wrote:<BR><SPAN><BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Landiin wrote:<BR> <P>Or people pay attention to what they are doing instead of just mindlessly clicking. </P> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE>I like this idea better.<BR></SPAN> <BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE><BR>/nod

[Dasein]

<P></P> <HR> Or people pay attention to what they are doing instead of just mindlessly clicking. <HR> <P>That's not a particularly good argument against not implementing some sort of confirmation box or other minor security measure. This is especially true when dealing with raid zones, where one person's error can ruin a raid and lock out 24 people for a week. If the UI  is set up in such a way that a player can easily and unintentionally make a choice with long-term negative reprocussions, then there is a flaw in the UI.</P>

[Magu]

But why nag the rest of us because of the incompetence of a few people? All it takes is turning the camera away from the door and it's impossible to accidentally click the zone-in. And for reviving, just don't rush to hit revive so fast. Take your time, look at the option you have selected, THEN hit revive. <div></div>

[EtoilePirate]

Magus said:<i> But why nag the rest of us because of the incompetence of a few people? All it takes is turning the camera away from the door and it's impossible to accidentally click the zone-in. And for reviving, just don't rush to hit revive so fast. Take your time, look at the option you have selected, THEN hit revive.</i> Now, come on.  You can't honestly have never made a mistake in your life!  Sure, it's better to pay attention and I wish more people would more of the time.  (Yeah, lady who shoved her shopping cart into my leg today?  NO LOVE!)But to penalize severely an error that can be simply made by anyone, with a slip of the mouse or an erroneous click, up to seven days before the error actually matters?  Well, if it's at all simple to prevent, then why not do it?  Sure, if it'll be resource-intensive to make timers somehow viewable, then by all means SOE should skip it.  But if it's only a minor undertaking then what's the harm?<div></div>

[daneeq]

<DIV>This is becoming so typical of our culture these days...Make a law to protect everyone because people aren't responsible for their own actions.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>If I were in a raid group and someone zoned at the wrong time and caused a lockout...my guess would be that they wouldn't be raiding with us for awhile...</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>I understand that it would be easy to implement some sort of .. safety feature... but... how easy would it be to kick someone from your raid due to their actions.  Bet they wouldn't do it again.</DIV>

[Druzgotek]

<P>They might as well implement this safety feature. It makes for a friendly user interface, and will overall entice new players to play longer, simply because it is....friendly.</P> <P>Booting because of a misclick might work in WoW, but on my server, there are not enough people to replace the booted ones.</P>

[Giral]

<DIV>just remove all lock out timers , make the whole game a clicky feature or toggable :smileyvery-happy: , change the name to EverClicky 2 , or  EasyQuest2</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Geez a 7 day lock out and people in the raid clickin door's and reviving out of zone :smileysad: , Shouldn't this be the Raid leader's Job to make sure to State  "Do  "NOT"  click anything , and IF you die Revive "IN" the Zone IF your unsure what revive point is in the Zone Send me a tell BEFOR reviving " ,,,,,,,,,,, I'm pretty sure are raid leader has that on a Raid Macro lol cause he spam's it constantly wyle people are on there merry way to RAid and also wyle we are raiding befor any major Pull's </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Druzgotek Wrote : but on my server, there are not enough people to replace the booted ones. <-------------------------------------------------------------------------------------Sad but True             :smileysad:</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Druzgotek Also wrote : They might as well implement this safety feature. It makes for a friendly user interface, and will overall entice new players to play longer, simply because it is....friendly.    <-------- how many new player's are raiding frequently ? i would say as of right now the only raid's are basicly  T5 and T6 ,  the game is comprised mostly of the current player bases ALt's so raid's at lower level's should have experianced player's Leading and Giving out very easy to follow instruction's "Click Nothing , and befor you revive MAke sure it's in Zone , if your unsure Send me a tell BEFOR you revive" </DIV>

[Vicio]

<DIV><STRONG>Ahem</STRONG>.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Putting a confirmation box in the revive location during Raids isn't for the individual, it's for the whole [expletive haxx0red by Raijinn] raid.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>What happens if the MT (fabled gear, masters, etc) get's his dumb [expletive haxx0red by Raijinn] locked out?</DIV>

[Ascillian]

<P>A good experienced raiding crew knows to be carefull on clicking into zones and picking revive points....however people who are still learning do make errors.  Especially when excited or stressed, it is fairly easy to click the wrong button.  I remember several times guildmates accidentally clicked into Spirits of the Lost while trying to not die to agro.  </P> <P>One thing that I think would be very good for raiding zones is a simple change in the order of zones.  I have always wished that the normal zone be top on the list (default) when you have options to zone in.  This would cause the least amount of misclicks as you would have to physically pick the raid zone to accidentally click in.  This is especially pertinant on those zones where the zone list order changes (there have been quite a few times where while picking the zone choice or revive choice for a zone we were raiding every week I noticed that they switched the order of the choices).</P> <P>As far as revive choices, without spirit shards I think that having only in zone revive choices wouldnt harm people too much (of course excepting those raid zones that are intended to have no in zone revive options).  You can always revive in zone and click/gate out if you are through for the night.  I have seen times where due to lag or even just game bug, someone tried to click a rez box, or revive in zone and it never registered their changing the revive point and instead revived them outside of zone.</P> <P>As far as accidentally zoning into zones, there are two guildmates of mine who I trust to own up to their own errors who have clicked into citadel but got zoned into court by mistake.  These are people who would admit if they had messed up either due to being tired, being lazy or just honest mistake.  CS informed them there was nothing they could do to reset their lockout timer, so they had to sit out of a raid, which was very frustrating for them.  I dont think that having a confirmation box to enter a raid/lockout type zone would be dumbing down the game too much, and it would help keep errors like this from happening.</P> <P>I am all for encouraging people to stay sharp and  focus on what they are doing to play the game.  I dont believe it should be something that can be breezed through without effort or while not devoting your entire attention to the game.  I think that raiding takes both time and effort to become good at and the more you work on it the better your crew will get.  But when glitches are affecting raiding and there is a way to help keep them from doing so I think it is worth exploring.</P> <P>On a related note, please consider adding a way for people to check their lockout timers.  There is nothing as frustrating as showing up for a raid and having one hour still left on your entire raid lockout timer.  Even tracking these things, stuff like server downtimes affect timers and it is hard to keep track of all of your lockouts with enough accuracy to maintain a regular scedule.  Having a way to check lockouts, even if it is a central location (like an inn room item, or a clock in freeport and qeynos) would help facilitate planing raids without running an entire raid to a zone in only to find out you have to wait 30 minutes to go in.</P>

[daneeq]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Giralus wrote:<BR> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Geez a 7 day lock out and people in the raid clickin door's and reviving out of zone :smileysad: , Shouldn't this be the Raid leader's Job to make sure to State  "Do  "NOT"  click anything , and IF you die Revive "IN" the Zone IF your unsure what revive point is in the Zone Send me a tell BEFOR reviving " ,,,,,,,,,,, I'm pretty sure are raid leader has that on a Raid Macro lol cause he spam's it constantly wyle people are on there merry way to RAid and also wyle we are raiding befor any major Pull's </DIV> <DIV> </DIV><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE> <P>A good raid leader is priceless. (Yes Kejah.. we love you!)</P> <P>Mistakes do happen, yes... but... when one is new, they should wait to be told what to do.. rather than just clicking everything in sight...until they learn the ropes.<BR></P>

[Dasein]

<HR> But why nag the rest of us because of the incompetence of a few people? <DIV> <HR> </DIV>Make it toggle-able, like the destroy confirmation box.

[Beebl]

<P>What i would like is a message telling you who clicked you in =P</P> <P>The confirm box would be nice but i would rather see them work on other bugs =P</P>

[Goozman]

**REMOVED DUE TO INAPPROPRIATE CONTENT**<p>Message Edited by Raijinn Thunderguard on <span class=date_text>01-03-2006</span> <span class=time_text>05:22 PM</span>

[Magu]

<span><blockquote><hr>EtoilePB wrote:Magus said:<i> But why nag the rest of us because of the incompetence of a few people? All it takes is turning the camera away from the door and it's impossible to accidentally click the zone-in. And for reviving, just don't rush to hit revive so fast. Take your time, look at the option you have selected, THEN hit revive.</i> Now, come on.  You can't honestly have never made a mistake in your life!  Sure, it's better to pay attention and I wish more people would more of the time.  (Yeah, lady who shoved her shopping cart into my leg today?  NO LOVE!)But to penalize severely an error that can be simply made by anyone, with a slip of the mouse or an erroneous click, up to seven days before the error actually matters?  Well, if it's at all simple to prevent, then why not do it?  Sure, if it'll be resource-intensive to make timers somehow viewable, then by all means SOE should skip it.  But if it's only a minor undertaking then what's the harm?<hr></blockquote>Made mistakes? Sure. Zoned into a raid zone on accident, or too early, or revived in the wrong spot? No.</span><span></span><div></div>

[Landiin]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Goozman wrote:<BR> <P>To all the people who think they are so god damned cool they never click the wrong one.</P> <P>a month ago, I had the correct option highlighted, and clicked revive... the game was laggin and nothing happened when i clicked revive... then about 25 seconds later, it highlighted the second option on its own and revived me. I tried turning my pc off right away hoping it wouldnt zone me; that didn't work.</P> <P>So stop being so damned condescending</P><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE><BR>Then you shouldn’t of been franticly pressing buttons while lagging. Its not our fault you mindlessly clicked revive in a state of panic while lagged.

[Witi]

<DIV>...it highlighted the second option on its own and revived me. I tried turning my pc off right away hoping it wouldnt zone me; that didn't work....</DIV> <DIV> <HR> </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>There are two sides to this story..... first the ugly:</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>As the "IT guy" where I work, I cannot tell you how many times people have claimed that the computer did something "all on it's own."  Another popular phrase is "... and then all of a sudden...."    PC's do nothing on their own.  You may not realize or notice that you clicked the wrong one, but you did.   As strange as this may seem, it happens all the time - I see it 10 times a day.  Typical folks who like to use a PC but know nothing about them are good for this sort of thing... just because you don't see anything happening on the screen doesn't mean that nothing is happening.    You probably tried clicking it a few times, hitting the wrong one and not realizing it because you were lagged.  However, since you *did* click it, the command was queued up and executed once the lag passed.   You can go ahead and disagree, but on what authority?  Remember, you also thought that turning your PC off would stop you from zoning.   </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>"I remember what I clicked!!!"  you will say.... yeah, sure you do....</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>"Oh, I *SWEAR* I didn't delete the entire customer database!!!  All I did was click this little minus sign...."</DIV> <DIV>"I was working on an Excel spreadsheet, and I wanted to make it easier to read so I selected the whole thing and clicked "Clear."  All of a sudden, my work completely disasppeared!!  Then I tried clicking "Save" thinking I would be saved from having to do it all over gain.  What happened?!?!"</DIV> <DIV> </DIV>

[Goozman]

Yeah, I was sooo panicking. That makes no sense. Get off your high horse, putting in something that simple doesn't hinder anybody. You'd probably even be able to turn it off to show off to yourself that you never make any mistakes.

[EtoilePirate]

<b>Magus wrote:</b><span><i>Made mistakes? Sure. Zoned into a raid zone on accident, or too early, or revived in the wrong spot? No.</i> I've never done it on the night of a raid, either.  (Though I know some people who are usually very on the ball who have, and I'm not going to judge them for one bad night.)What has happened before, though, is that I, or someone else, will be exploring in strange places.  Scout types like to do that, y'know.  And we say, "oh, a zone!"  And we enter and discover it's a raid zone.  And we leave.  And six days later we join a raid party, and troop along to somewhere, only to discover it's that zone from before and there's still a day left on the zone timer.Now if you can pull up a list of your own and say, "Oh, Zone X?  I'm good.  But I have 28 hours left to get into Zone Y, so I'll bow out in favor of someone else," what's wrong with that?  It doesn't penalize exploration, and it also comes in pretty handy when there's been a genuine click or revive mistake.</span><div></div>

[SkarlSpeedbu]

<P>Oh ya and sure, why put safeties on firearms, when everyone knows you should just never touch them?</P> <P>Stupid people with your stupid firearms with safeties, gimme a break!</P> <P> </P> <P>Actually this was my sarcasm break, yummy.</P> <DIV>btw, I'm with Squall on this one, good idea.</DIV><p>Message Edited by SkarlSpeedbump on <span class=date_text>01-05-2006</span> <span class=time_text>01:39 PM</span>

[ambrial]

<div></div><p>Come on people, the game has been made to be so much easier and continues to over and over.</p><p> </p><p>There are SOME things we actually have to use our brain for, lets not remove everything that actually allows us to think!</p>

[DarkLegacy2005]

<div></div>Why are people argueing against this? Indifference at best, but against? This idea in no way affects the community or the game in a detrimental way.

[SkarlSpeedbu]

<div></div>because, people on these boards are unnecesarily argumentative and pedantic, if I could use a Peter Griffin word heh.

[Goozman]

<div>lol. Yes... shallow and pedantic...</div>