Mistrunner not as cool as Nightmare.

[King Leor]

<DIV>SO I bought my mistrunner today hoping the in game particle effects would be farily noticable. Much to my dismay however all they did was put a single sparkle on each hoof and one in each eye. So while I stand still you can barely see the effect, and while im running some sparkles go into the air and thats it. Now what part of this is the "Mist" in mistrunner?? The nightmare on the other hand has nice big noticble flames coming off the hooves, it's eyes and it breathes fire. Not to mention when running it actually has flames bellowing off it's feet. and even when it jumps up and down it has the flaming effect. the mist runner sure doesn't. Now why cant the mist runner have the same effects as the nightmare horse but with a fog instead of a couple poorly placed sparkles? Now that we cant go to freeport to buy mounts I feel royally screwed out of something good. Just please for the love of Norrath make the mistrunner effect better and somewhat noticable.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Leoric<BR>Level 60 ranger</DIV>

[HanktheDwarf]

I think they need to leave it that way.  Maybe more people will move to Freeport.<div></div>

[King Leor]

<DIV>Ya. but that doens't help us with it right now...lol. I mean how hard is it to use the same effects as nightmare but make it look foggy and or misty? Cant be that hard. THey breathe fire...i wanna breathe fog....lol.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Leoric<BR>Level 60 ranger<BR></DIV>

[Miroh]

 Well the sparkle is quite noticeable, I mean it's not too bad. I'm proud to have it, gettin all the "Ohhh and Ahhhhh" tells for it. Plus it leaves a little particle trail as well.

[Zasarix]

<DIV><FONT size=4>Well that's like SK's and Pallies, SK's get a glowing red hand with an awesome aura effect, while the Pallie hand is just a 2D twinkle particle.</FONT></DIV>

[piesang]

Does this mean that particle effects are evil??? <div></div>

[Blutzo]

well, being good will never be as cool as being bad. good guys are lame and boring - bad guys wear sun glasses, get all the girls and drive cool cars <span>:smileytongue:</span> <div></div>

[SalBlu]

I still prefer my Undead Servant.  19p for a flaming/sparkly horse isnt my cup of tea.

[Naggyba]

They need to quit making this ... crap for Qeynos people. Dang parade horse crap on these horses and all and the Mist Horse is just bad.Just make 2 versions of the horse and give *US* a CHOICE on which ones WE want instead of forcing your idea of what Qeynos people should be FORCED to deal with. I mean come on. [expletive haxx0red by Raijinn] is up with forcing crap onto Qeynos people? You put all the work into making the evil side stuff look good and then just whatever time you have left over, you slap together some crap for Qeynos people and expect us to take it and live with it.Maybe we don't like or want this ... [Removed for Content] parade crap. Maybe we don't want this ... [Removed for Content] Mist Horse junk.Why do you all continue to push the misconception that everyone in Qeynos is ... and we like this crap? That we like parade crap and all? SOE is just saying we all [Removed for Content] and pansies and I am really tired of it.Stop FORCING YOUR idea of Qeynos likes and Freeport likes onto us. Start making 2 version of stuff and letting *US* choose what *WE* want.I mean [expletive haxx0red by Raijinn] is wrong with letting us choose? [expletive haxx0red by Raijinn] is wrong with giving us the same options? That curly tail crap has got to go.SHEESH<p>Message Edited by Naggybait on <span class=date_text>12-21-2005</span> <span class=time_text>01:06 PM</span>

[infernus006]

yeah this rather sucks for betrayed people too.  i mean what about us "evil" races that betrayed to qeynos?  sure we are not really evil anymore because we decided to become good but guess what we still LOOK evil right?  does anyone really want to see a troll or an iksar riding around on a cutsie sparkly my little pony type of deal?  rofl.  and since evil looking things can actally be good it makes sense to allow the nightmare horses to be available to qeynosians as well.  looks aren't everything.  but you can bet that 99% of the server populations will prefer the nightmare over the mist thingie and so they would become way too common for my liking and probably wouldn't bother getting one anyhow even if they were available to me just for that reason. <div></div>

[Driverdo]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> SalBluee wrote:<BR>I still prefer my Undead Servant.  19p for a flaming/sparkly horse isnt my cup of tea. <BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE><BR> <DIV>Yup, atleast for a sparkly horse anyways, since I'm from Happy town.  What a bummer, the mistrunner sounds lame.   Looks like I'll just keep riding with my lvl 50 fluff spell on and the whole horse will be on fire, not just its [Removed for Content] :smileytongue:!</DIV>

[MisguidedAngel]

<P>The Nightmare (is that what the evil one is called?) is really just as bad. I was on my alt (Antonia Bayle) today and saw someone on it by the broker. First, it's [expletive haxx0red by Raijinn] near still the same horse as the DOF one. Almost 99% exactly (keeping the saddles didn't help.) and second, the "fire" effects look pasted on.. the eyes especially look stupid even on High Quality mode. I'm not someone who can't afford it, merely someone who isn't going to pay that kind of plat for a terribly obvious rehash.  The horse just looks like a horse that got lit on fire, which strikes me as stupid looking and kind of funny. They ought to rename the horse Gimmick. Because that's all it is. </P>

[Alfred75]

Give the misties a pair of fluffy wings and the nighties lots of smoke from the flames! <div></div>

[Goozman]

<DIV>I agree the mist one needs more sparkly effects on the hooves and eyes, it's very light and not 19p looking. If I could trade it for a nightmare, I'd opt for that even if they add more particles to the mistrunner. Also duno if I'm too extatic about the weird tail bun thing, but that's not as big a deal as adding more sparkles!</DIV>

[Eris]

Imo both mount sucks bad ( The Qeynosian one even more than the FP one). First they are copy past from MD mounts and second their stats/speed is just not worth the expense. Heck for free i get a 40% flying carpet which, given the new ways to travel (recalls, carpets, Gryphins...) does make a whole 10sec difference in the time you need to get from, lets say, SS docks to Silent City zone in SS. Big deal....And you get all that for load of SP and PP....Sure! <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Now why on eath mounts in this game are only horses? DoF setting is Arabian Nights so why not Camels (we already have flying carpets) (and no im no big fan of Camels as mount but at least it would fit the setting) that would be sold not in FP or Qeynos but in MD and hence available to both starting city. Or elephants for that matter since some are present in MD...</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>I, for one, would die to be able to ride a lizard thing like the named standing guard in Obelisk (though a smaller version). Im sure some small races wouldnt mind ridding wolves or such. ... So many possibilities yet so few implemented. I realise that would need some coding but heck its an heroic fantasy setting so why only stick to horse type mounts with poorly added visual effects.</DIV>

[Ponos]

<DIV>Can someone please post pics of both?  I'm dying here.</DIV>

[Kaan]

<DIV>Wow, all this sounds like what I always say.  Qyenos is as a sheltered city.  LoL.  See!  Be evil and be cool!  Yea, you have to be good to be certain classes but A) Freeport is hard  B) No more Cutsie my little pony look alikes  C)  Be cool, Be brave, BE EVIL!</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>I was invited to ROV when I was 30, I had never been there so someone had to guide me and I was questioning about the zone at the time.  They were like..."Oh!  ROV is so hard, we've really got to be careful"  Here I am, thinking something like FG..get there...and I'm soloing the place and thinking..."What a bunch of pansies"  I told them all..."Man!  You all think this is hard...come with me to Fallen Gate".  Thats when I started building my image of Qyenos as the sheltered, lets dance, Too bright for my eyes city.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>So in short, Qyenos is a sheltered city anyway...why not give them the frilly stuff, the devs obviously know....so come over to Freeport and see what the game is all about!</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Nasty scars and boiled tar...Warriors is what we are!   --Freeport chant.</DIV>

[Naggyba]

The only reasons I am from Qeynos is because I was forced to in order to be my class and I knew it blind folded from beta days and I really don't care for the constant negativity in Freeport.That doesn't mean I should get the lame, pansy [Removed for Content] horses with curly tails and parade crap.

[Silver_Feather]

<DIV><FONT color=#cc0033>Just an idea,Qeynos should get something like a pegasus with wings and such that flap when it runs(not loud quick flaps but large quiet ones so not to get annoying,would just look cool)and people could choose the color.Wouldn`t be a solid color but the chosen color would be maybe for the saddle,mane color,and such...colors like Wine Red,Forest Green  not pinks,purples,and bright flashy lights.</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT color=#cc0033>Freeport could have EVIL unicorns,long spiked horn,extra mane-like hair under the chin and near hooves.People could,once again,choose colors like the colors I said before for saddles,mane,etc.Running motion could also cause flames or shadowy smoke from the hooves.</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT color=#cc0033>For both mounts:They shouldn`t look like every other horse but possibly be leaner,have much longer manes and tails,and both have good saddles.The faces shouldn`t be like all other horses as well but one have slightly sad deep blue or all-black eyes and the other angry red or all-black eyes.The face could be a little longer and thiner to match the lean body as well.</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT color=#cc0033></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT color=#cc0033>I know it`s something that won`t be put into EQ2  but it just ideas of mine,if people pay good money they should get good-looking mounts.</FONT></DIV>

[Kaan]

<P>Lets face it.  Freeport is the place of darkness, murder, and general evil.  Their stuff is going to be covered with fire, and other evil looking stuff.  Qyenos is the city of light and good, its going to get the stuff that sparkles, light shines on and that glows and other generally good related stuff.  Theirs a general concept of evil, which freeport posses and their is a general concept of good, which qyenos posses...going into the game you should know that playing on the good side is going to net you the stuff that shines and sparkles...and playing freeport is going to net you the stuff that is dark and generally evil and sometimes gross looking.</P> <P>These two facts are there, I started playing freeport because i wanted the evil stuff, I wanted the mean and cruel looking stuff...and I wanted to play an Iksar.  Lucky for me my class could be played on either side, I play a Troubador.  If I wanted, I could have betrayed and still been able to play my Iksar troubador (AKA The singing Lizard).  But...I knew what Qyenos was going to get when it came down to stuff like horses and I knew what Freeport was going to get.  Now, I understand that you had to choose qyenos to play certain classes.  My whole thing is, why can't the classes cross?  Why can't a swashbuckler be evil?  Why can't you have an evil pali (And don't say this is an SK, because its not...Pali's do have healing potential...why can't you have a warrior class thats evil, that has healing potential?).  Why can't a SK class be good? (What a mist knight perhaps?  or just a regular Knight?  I dont' know what this would be called).  Both sides have their alignment, and classes on either side really aren't balanced out to equal one another.  </P> <P>It shoudln't be...why does Qyenos get these silly looking things...it should be...why can't I have my character class in Freeport, or one exactly like it?  Because, I personally believe the way they have horses and all that...is perfect for the two sides...speaks for what each side is and gives a clear definition of it...but why can't we have dark pali, call them "Death Knights".  Give each class their own unique special abilities, but keep their general role the same...Like..the death knight is going to focus more on heavy damage and draining life to give life...wher the pali is going to focus on the heavy damage but healing without taking.</P>

[locke_digital]

I thought the Shadow Knight was the evil version of the Paladin.I agree with the rest of your post, though.  The game is designed as an MMORPG, emphasis on the RPG here for just a second.  Evil things often look more formidable or lethal because that's the point of the design in the first place.  The evil gods of Hate and Fear may be "silent," but they have a huge following still in Freeport.  Horses that inspire fear or dread wouldn't make much sense if used by a Ranger or a Monk or a Paladin or a Templar or any of those things if they are actually allied with Qeynos and goodness.  Doesn't fit the job description very well.The art department gives everyone new options and people complain.  Mostly Qeynosians.  Says something about ol' Qeynos, doesn't it? *laugh*<div></div>

[Kaan]

<DIV>yea...the SK is surppose to be the evil version of the pali..but I dont' know, I really don't get the feeling that they are opposite, besides the fact that one is good and one is evil.  </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>And yea, I notice it's alot of Qyenosians complaining...LOL...as I said...sheltered city  <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /></DIV><p>Message Edited by Kaanha on <span class=date_text>12-22-2005</span> <span class=time_text>08:36 AM</span>

[DarkEle]

<DIV>You can see them both here:</DIV> <DIV><A href="http://eqiiforums.station.sony.com/eq2/board/message?board.id=gld&message.id=29228" target=_blank>http://eqiiforums.station.sony.com/eq2/board/message?board.id=gld&message.id=29228</A></DIV>

[King Leor]

<DIV>For those of you who are saying "what do you expect? of course freeport mounts will look more evil etc", that IS NOT what I am talking about and your going off topic. I did not once say please make my horse look evil and bad [expletive haxx0red by Raijinn]. I just want better particle effects, something with fogd and or mist to fit the name of the mount. Not sparkles. Doesn't have to look EVIL but cool would be good.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Leoric<BR>Level 60 ranger</DIV>

[infernus006]

"Horses that inspire fear or dread wouldn't make much sense if used by a Ranger or a Monk or a Paladin or a Templar or any of those things if they are actually allied with Qeynos and goodness.  Doesn't fit the job description very well." ok but what about a Troll Berserker that just happens to live in Qeynos?  like i said, just because something looks evil doesn't mean that it is.  i think we should all have the choice about the image we want to potray and not be forced into one set stereotype.  personally i'm all for the idea that a dark knight in dark armor can ride a dark horse and not be evil and actually be good.  now i'm not saying they should start allowing Shadowkights into Qeynos or Paladins into Freeport, i just think the horses should be available to either side.  they are just horses after all! <div></div>

[Naggyba]

Of course we complain. It's because we always get this crap [Removed for Content] looking stuff. Just because we live in Qeynos, doesn't mean we should get crappy looking stuff with curly tails and parade junk or just slapped together silly looking stuff.We should have gotten a Pegasus or something.Tell ya what, go play WoW and look at all the awesome looking mounts they get. Go look at all the really awesome looking armor they get. Then tell me EQ2 has nice looking stuff. They have some really KILLER looking mounts and a LOT of variety. The good side (Alliance) gets just as good looking mounts as evil side (Horde).EQ2 needs an art depeartment like that. Someone is going to say their graphics aren't as realistic or something but I tell you what, I would much rather suffer with lower polygon counts and get much more awesome looking stuff than what we get in this game with higher polygon count. This is one reason they have so many more customers. Art can make or break a game and it's breaking EQ2. Well, one of the things.

[Lairdragna]

Make the horse white and not cream, and change the particle effect to the same flame effect as the Nightmare but a bluish silver flame... a HOLY flame.Looks aside, the stats suckSame speed as the Guld 30 mount and 200 resists (honestly who cares?)  but costs 9p and 65k status MORE than the Guild 30 mount?  PUH-LEASE!Make the simple art change above, not real hard.  Bump speed to 52 or 56%.  Add Maj'Dul combat stats in addition to, or in place of the resists.I don't think that is asking too much in light of what it takes to buy one of these!<div></div>

[Goozman]

<DIV>I'd be happy with just more particle effects, lots more. dont care about stats, speed is fine, but I want more magic!</DIV>

[Mat]

<DIV>Just make it a Unicorn model (yes I have only seen that model in the Qeynos lowbie forest area, a named) with Valantine-event-reward-item-thingy-effect coming from its legs.  <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /></DIV>

[Lairdragna]

*Begins to choke Matek* SHUT UP, do NOT give the Devs any more BAD ideas!<div></div>

[Naggyba]

No speed increase? Not worth the plat then. Small particle effects added to a Maj'Dul horse is not worth 5pp and mega status over a Maj'Dul horse.They really need to learn to add cool stuff to the game. The really think what they added is worth what we have to spend our hard earned money and status on? LOL

[Lairdragna]

Sadly naggy... yes... that is exactly how they appear to feel.  If it is not, they are doing a [Removed for Content] poor job of coming here and telling us otherwise.  The only response we've had from SOE was Blackguard telling us to take it or leave it... this or nothing. <div></div>

[Naggyba]

I'll take nothing then and fire up WoW and drool over all the cool looking mounts they have.

[Lairdragna]

Hey SOE answer this... how many nightmares have sold and how many mistrunners... keeping in mind the player population in Qeynos is a good 2-1 or 3-1 over Freeport!

[graxnip]

<span><blockquote><hr>You put all the work into making the evil side stuff look good and then just whatever time you have left over, you slap together some crap for Qeynos people and expect us to take it and live with it. <hr></blockquote>ok that is funny, Please compare the qeynosian dungeons to the freeport dungeons and then tell me what side got screwed and where soe spent all the development time- thieves way (hmm ok your basic sewer that looks the same all the way through)  - down under serpent sewers (oh .. it looks just like thieves way.. hope edgewater is better..)  - Vermins snye edgewater drains (rats.. same thing as serpent sewers )  - crypt of betrayal </span><span>wailing caves (a cave ! woot)  - blackburrow fallen gate (oh .. another cave..)  - stormhold Even the city itself has a ton more detail put into it. - all the artistic detail has gone into the fluffy hippy side of the world - someone made the comment that wow mounts are so cool looking and that the good side and the evil side got good stuff - ok well they have 2 factions - but they are not necessarily based on alignment. - while the undead might be evil - the taurens are not at all. alignment is subjective there as you can RP a evil human warlock. Wow was set up from day one like this - as EQ2 was set up from day 1 with it's system - queynos= hippies / freeport = cool evil folk. You weighed those options when you created your character. Only time i have ever spent in qeynos was as my inquisitor infiltrating it for heritage quests. I had interest in some of the classes that are good only , but I dont play them cause I dont like being in happy town. you knew what you were getting into - your a hippie.. love it - or delete the character and come play in freeport. </span><div></div>

[Lairdragna]

Oh grow up grax, none of us could have known what a difference choices made a year ago would have on things like guild level rewards today.  I'm also so sick of hearing about how hard Freeport has it.  I leveled high enough to betray from Freeport.  You guys have hands down the superior mob layout surrounding the city for leveling.  Out the front gate... bugs, move on to dillos, move over to doggies, work over to ghostly orcs, from there over to undead orcs and groups of orcs as you approach the crossroads in the commonlands.  Qeynosians are running all over to find mobs to level on in Antonica.  They aren't so nicely clustered.The bottom line is they didn't put an ounce of thought into the Mistrunners when compared to the Nightmares.  Need they be the same?  No, but they should be comparable.  The fact is you will see people running around on Nightmares.  You DON'T and WON'T see them on Mistrunners despite the fact there are three times as many Qeynosians and Freeportians.  This speaks it clearly.  The players have rejected the Mistrunner and soundly so.  Its time for a revamp.By the way grax, are you in a level 40 guild or are you just another one of those people who spouts off because they can?<div></div>

[graxnip]

<div></div>no my guild lvl is 20, and my post didnt mention anything regarding the mounts. - I have not seen them and could care less, I wont be riding one anytime soon. Ok so I will apologize for being off topic to the original idea of the horses. It was the comment that I had <b>quoted</b> regarding how qeynosians had the short end of the stick on graphics that I found amusing, Never playing in qeynos - I had never seen the qeynosian equivalants until i was in my mid 30's and I was shocked by the level of detail - that was and is the only point I was trying to make. this is probably the only time cool art has been greater on the freeport side. now I understand that these mounts take a huge amount of effort to aquire and the reward should be something AMAZING in both stats and looks. So I will agree with you that if the horse lacks in some way it should be tweaked. Looking at the screenshots that blackguard posted I dont see the problem. however those were not in game screenshots, and I recall someone commenting that the particle effect in game was not as noticable as the flames. Now perhaps they should think moreso of different options rather than tweaking the dof horse - people brought up unicorns and what not to me unicorns - com'on a horse with a horn thats cool for lvl 30.. - for lvl 40 you should have a hippogriff or something awe inspiring.. regardless, there will always be complaints. The devs dont have a vendetta though against Qeynos- they screw up art work on all sides- as an inquisitor our high level fluff spell is a bright pink sparklie aura.. oh yeah totally fitting.. apparently the Ancient Legplates of Ro are bright pink tights. again great thinking.. they mess stuff up - sometimes they fix it - sometimes no. Now you bring up mob clusters or what not - that has nada to do with graphics. In no way was I complaining about how hard freeport has it - I frankly dont feel that way but I have nothing to compare it too. If I see something on sale on the black market I send a tell to that person and arrange to meet them. That is about the only major drawback to FP and it is easily solved. Lastly, I made a silly comment regarding deleting and rolling in FP - ok .. heh that was rather silly considering whats on topic here is a reward for a lvl 40 guild. <div></div><p>Message Edited by graxnip on <span class=date_text>12-25-2005</span> <span class=time_text>12:49 PM</span>

[Lairdragna]

fair enough mate... merry christmas!<div></div>

[Naggyba]

Race, alignment or whatever else you want to try and throw into the mix, has absolutely zero to do with how many different and awesome looking mounts WoW has. How many mounts does EQ2 have that you sit there and like whoa, awesome? None that I know of. The spirit horse was ok but, they had to ruin it with those curled up tails and parade crap.

[Balmung of the Azure Sky]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Naggybait wrote:<BR>Race, alignment or whatever else you want to try and throw into the mix, has absolutely zero to do with how many different and awesome looking mounts WoW has. How many mounts does EQ2 have that you sit there and like whoa, awesome? None that I know of. The spirit horse was ok but, they had to ruin it with those curled up tails and parade crap.<BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE><BR>I agree. The diversity of mounts in eq2 is laughable. Its the next worst thing aside from the big armor changes only being tinted differently. Seriously now folks 4year olds have more imagination. Before DoF came out there was 'rumors' that there would be a camel mount and a tiger mount (some kinda large cat), or other things. But to just put particle effects on the horse models already in game is a waste of our time. Lets get some different models for the mounts. Like really different, even go outside the current species that are already in game. Along with that, all that parade crap... no one really buys those horses anyway. I STILL to this day have never bought a mount because they look like crap and there is no mount that appeals to me when they are all the same. These mounts are as fun as Pong is.

[infernus006]

"and 200 resists (honestly who cares?)...Add Maj'Dul combat stats in addition to, or in place of the resists." well actually that's nothing to scoff at imo.  200 extra resists is actually pretty nice, especially if you're a tank.  but the sad thing is as much as i would like to have those extra resists i will not get the horse if it looks [Removed for Content], i simply refuse. <div></div>

[Balmung of the Azure Sky]

yeah, those extra stats on the Maj'Dul horses are a step in the right direction. By far the best mounts in the game. Certainly not the fastest, but they look really spiffy to any graphic card. This is what SOE should implement into the newer guild mounts, if they continue to look just as cheap and lazily done as they do now, then they should put some stats on them. Or something, if DoF can do it, then why can't qeynos or freeport? Would definitely make it worth the 19p

[Irr]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> HanktheDwarf wrote:<BR>I think they need to leave it that way.  Maybe more people will move to Freeport.<BR> <BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE> <P><BR>Amen!   All you goodies are just gonna have to suck it up.   You can't have everything.  </P> <P>Think about it, you have the coolest inn rooms.  Nobody spits on you.  Everyone is kind...ect...</P> <P>Anyway, in nearly every movie or story, the bad guys always have the coolest looking stuff.  </P> <P><FONT color=#ff0066>It's ok Qeynos...Come...join the dark side.  We have cookies.</FONT></P>

[Lairdragna]

I hope the Freeport folks remember this when they get stuck with something equally [Removed for Content] and the Qeynos players tell you to [expletive haxx0red by Raijinn]ing deal with it.<div></div>

[Neld]

hahah yeah i agree that mystrunners particals  are a joke, hehhe

[Fern]

Dont forget the unicorn horn.  They missed that.<div></div>

[sharz]

<P>.</P> <P>.</P> <P>.<BR></P> <p>Message Edited by sharzor on <span class=date_text>12-30-2005</span> <span class=time_text>08:46 AM</span>

[Lairdragna]

Can I get an English translation please?<div></div>

[JoarAddam]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> piesang wrote:<BR>Does this mean that particle effects are evil???<BR> <BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE><BR>It means that evil magic bleeds over more into the visible spectrum

[Renolas]

<DIV>Qeynos can get camels and freeport can keep their little flaming ponies <img src="/smilies/69934afc394145350659cd7add244ca9.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /></DIV>

[Gandi]

<P>They both suck..lol</P> <P> </P>

[Balmung of the Azure Sky]

<P>yup. soe should have though a different breed of animal would be better appealing to gamers. The carpet was a cool mount becausew it was new and different to the horse. The ghost horses are cool because they are ghosts but particle effect on mounts... thats just dumb. They should be putting particle effects on gear and weapons, not stupid mounts. Camels, Lions, TIgers, Bears (oh my) or wolves or mooses or sabertooths, raptors, umm...  rhonocerous, something different. I, to this day haev never bought a mount because none have appealed to me, except for the ghost horse, but being a wood elf, it wouldnt look good to me to ride a horse. We need different animals, not different looking horses with tiny bit better run speed buff. If you are just going to make it different horses, why not just sell a spell that cannot be sold back, but only upgraded:</P> <P>spirit of the lame mount horse: increase out of combat run speed by 28%</P> <P>spirit of the next lame horse: upgrades previous version to 34%</P> <P>spirit of the particle effected lame horse: ...etc. (then maybe WE could have those super cool particle effects on our toons feet, wouldnt that be neat fellas?! oh i think it would be a genious idea, then we can stop paying for crappy imagination)</P> <P>really now soe, fire the mount developer and get someone with a freaking imagination. 4 year olds can do better. h e l l even the  players have more imagination, maybe you should hire one of them for the creative parts of the game.</P>

[Irr]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Balmung of the Azure Sky wrote: <P>really now soe, fire the mount developer and get someone with a freaking imagination. 4 year olds can do better. h e l l even the  players have more imagination, maybe you should hire one of them for the creative parts of the game.</P><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE> <P> </P> <P>I wouldn't say fire anyone, but I'd have to agree with the rest.   At any job I work at, I'm expected to maintain a certain standard of quality.  Who is the one saying "Great work there Designer Soandso?"  Not just with mounts,  but with creativity in general.   I'm trying not to bash SoE at all.  I like the game, but it just seems like they make too many compromises for quantity over quality.<BR></P> <DIV>P.S.  I miss my drogmar.  <img src="/smilies/9d71f0541cff0a302a0309c5079e8dee.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /></DIV>

[Balmung of the Azure Sky]

<P>thanks irras. you calmly put what i wanted to say :smileytongue: just been kinda upset with the way they do take efficiency over quality work. At my job which happens to be oil painting and restoring older paintings, if we dont take our time with it we could ruin who knows how old of a painting it could be.and if we rush through it, well least to say it will look like crap and I'll have to redo it. Or rather what my brother does, he does the blue printing for buildings, they have to be "to code" and he uses autoCAD now, but he needs to recheck his work, the work of his architechs and they need to check his. After about a week or so of rechecking and revising all the work, then they will release it to the constuction company(ies) that are contracted. </P> <P>Same with eq2, I would rather things be late with outstanding quality and effort put into them, rather than be rushed out at lightspeed and have to be halted in playing to wait for them to fix all the junk they just ruined, all because they didn't take the time to check, recheck and revise.</P>

[Naggyba]

<DIV>Ok, just for some comparison. EQ2's Nightmare and armored horse.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV><IMG src="http://i28.photobucket.com/albums/c205/lenaras/eq2nightmare.jpg"></DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Their nightmare.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV><IMG src="http://i28.photobucket.com/albums/c205/lenaras/wownightmare1.jpg"></DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Their armored horse (just one of them)</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV><IMG src="http://i28.photobucket.com/albums/c205/lenaras/wowhorse2.jpg"></DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Some exotic mounts (out of the many to choose from)</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV><IMG src="http://i28.photobucket.com/albums/c205/lenaras/wowmount3.jpg"></DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV><IMG src="http://i28.photobucket.com/albums/c205/lenaras/wowmount2.jpg"></DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Mechanical</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV><IMG src="http://i28.photobucket.com/albums/c205/lenaras/wowmount1.jpg"></DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Plain horse</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV><IMG src="http://i28.photobucket.com/albums/c205/lenaras/wowhorse1.jpg"></DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Of course, EQ2's plain horse (minus parade stuff aren't bad)</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Now tell me you wouldn't like something like one of the above to cruise around on.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV><p>Message Edited by Naggybait on <span class=date_text>01-02-2006</span> <span class=time_text>02:54 PM</span>

[Balmung of the Azure Sky]

There you go. Thanks mister bait. Goes to show you that even WoW has some creative people behind them. The nightmaer looks like a total rip-off (cuz it is) and LOOK! even WoW has some super cool mounts that you can have differently. I think they are class specific mounts, but none the less, the mechanical bird, giant cat, and others are what we are looking for in mounts. Diversity is what we want. Why in real life we can choose between getting particular dogs and cats, exotic and domestic breeds, but in a videogame that thought never occured that even EQrack2 addicts would want different breeds and species of mounts too?!

[Lairdragna]

Wow graphics don't impress me in the least... but what does impress me is their attempt to be unique, to offer some diversity.<div></div>

[Balmung of the Azure Sky]

WoW graphics kinda remind me of legos

[Supp]

<DIV>I /feedback'ed this a few days ago that Qeynosians should be able to buy the Nightmare. </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Virtually every1 in my guild agrees that the Undead Servant and Nightmare rock, and that the Spirit Steed and Mistrunner suck. I wont go into the details of why every1 agrees because you most likely already know! SOE has set the standard for FP based guild reward horse purchases by qeynosians with the Speciality merchant in the Temple of War. He is there, rather than in the stables, so that qeynosians can buy the Undead Servant. The Undead Servant is a Guild Level 30 Reward. Why should the Guild Level 40 reward be any different?</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV><FONT color=#3366ff>Here are the arguments I've heard (from Freeportians mind you)...</FONT></DIV> <DIV>A> Bah! I didnt get to chose Sir or Lord. Those are guild level rewards!</DIV> <DIV>B> Bah! You cant RP a qeynosian on a visually evil horse in the streets of Qeynos!</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV><FONT color=#ff0000>At first glance, these seem like valid arguments. But...</FONT></DIV> <DIV>A> As I said, the standard has been set for FP based Guild Level Reward horse purchases by Qeynosians with the Undead Servant. The specialty merchant in the Temple of War should also have the Nightmare.</DIV> <DIV>B> RP? Both my Teir'Dal betrayed to Qeynos. Seems appropriate for a Dark Elf to have a Dark Horse, no? It might suprise you to learn that you can purchase a Nightmare in FP at L16, then betray, and run around to your hearts content in Qeynos. This would be very hard to do, but you certainly can do it. You wont be able to ride the mount for many levels, but you can still purchase it and ride it later. Besides, its not like anyone can tell what city Im from when Im outside my city (warden).</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV><FONT color=#339900>Many of the freeportians that state qeynosians should not get this item do so because they have to live in a dank city, and its just not fair that they have to put up with all that filth in their home, and that the few beneficial things that they get should not be shared because of this dankness. They're just lazy. They should have betrayed. If you want to be a subclass that must be FP, then you knew that going in. The point is that its a guild level reward, and so it should be made available to all members of the guild. Otherwise, you limit the motivations of guild members to achieve 40 quickly. You can buy an undead servant. Why not the Nightmare also?</FONT></DIV><p>Message Edited by Supple on <span class=date_text>01-03-2006</span> <span class=time_text>11:26 AM</span>

[Naggyba]

Just because you ride a nightmare, doesn't make you an evil person. Just because you ride a Mistrunner, doesn't make you a good person.MAIN point is, they took a Maj'Dul horse and added a few particles and called em Nightmares and Mistrunners. Cheesy.There is no REAL selection that is really cool looking. Say what you want about WoW graphics but it's not that bad at all and they have some awesome looking mounts and armor and at least you not stuttering and lagging and have to go down to extreme performance when you get 20+ players on the screen in a raid.The exotic mounts aside, look at the nightmare and plain horse. They are just as good, if not better than what we have available. A LOT of detail that doesn't drag a system down.<p>Message Edited by Naggybait on <span class=date_text>01-03-2006</span> <span class=time_text>06:14 PM</span>