Ring of cold/ice changes for 16b

[IllusiveThoughts]

<DIV>old durations 50seconds / 60 seconds</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>new durations</DIV> <DIV>30 seconds / 36 seconds.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>the update notes in 16b state it will be reduced slightly.  50% reduction is not a slight reduction in its duration.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Im dumbfounded why the durations are even being adjusted?  It used to be 36 sec pre revamp for roc.  It was unbreakable and overpowered.  After revamp it finally settled down at 50 seconds duration, but root broke on 2-3 hits.  </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>I just dont get why its having its duration reduced by half?  The spell wasn't overpowered.  This makes the 4th time these roots were adjusted.  How many more will there be?  I'm sure most of the wizards agreed they were just fine the way they were.</DIV>

[Lady Uaelr]

<DIV>Is this a joke?</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Another change to roots.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>This is yet another indication that no one has a clue to what they are doing....:smileyvery-happy:</DIV>

[massem]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Lady Uaelrea wrote:<BR> <DIV>Is this a joke?</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Another change to roots.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>This is yet another indication that no one has a clue to what they are doing....:smileyvery-happy:</DIV><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE><BR>Because wizards were actuall good at soloing - no class are supposed to be good at soloing, except brigands and bruisers :smileyhappy:

[Lady Uaelr]

<DIV>Hmm....do you play a wizard?</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Wizard is only ok at soloing one mob and maybe 2 singles. One add and you are dead.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>I think the root was ok - it broke alot as it was and it was not overpowered.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Also, there is a high resistance to cold and heat and ring of ice is cold based so it gets resisted quite a bit.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Your comment about wizards are good at soloing - I have seen about every other class solo - and they do it alot better than wizards.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>So I disagree with your comment that gives the impression that wizards solo better than other classes.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>When does Vanguard come out BTW?</DIV>

[Cowdenic]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Lady Uaelrea wrote:<BR> <DIV>Hmm....do you play a wizard?</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Wizard is only ok at soloing one mob and maybe 2 singles. One add and you are dead.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>I think the root was ok - it broke alot as it was and it was not overpowered.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Also, there is a high resistance to cold and heat and ring of ice is cold based so it gets resisted quite a bit.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Your comment about wizards are good at soloing - I have seen about every other class solo - and they do it alot better than wizards.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>So I disagree with your comment that gives the impression that wizards solo better than other classes.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>When does Vanguard come out BTW?</DIV><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE><BR>Wizards have it so rough. Why yesterday, I watched a 58 wizard solo a 59^^^ Heroic, Get a ^^^ heroic add and still finish with over 70% health and 50% power. Must be dificult.

[massem]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Cowdenicus wrote:<BR><BR>Wizards have it so rough. Why yesterday, I watched a 58 wizard solo a 59^^^ Heroic, Get a ^^^ heroic add and still finish with over 70% health and 50% power. Must be dificult. <BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE> <P>Templars have i so rough. I just watched a templar buffing himself up with damage shield poisons and let the heroic group mobs beat themselves to death while he was healing himself. Must be difficult .... All classes can solo heroics, its just a matter of technique :smileyvery-happy: <BR></P>

[Cowdenic]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> masseman wrote:<BR><BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Cowdenicus wrote:<BR><BR>Wizards have it so rough. Why yesterday, I watched a 58 wizard solo a 59^^^ Heroic, Get a ^^^ heroic add and still finish with over 70% health and 50% power. Must be dificult. <BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE> <P>Templars have i so rough. I just watched a templar buffing himself up with damage shield poisons and let the heroic group mobs beat themselves to death while he was healing himself. Must be difficult .... All classes can solo heroics, its just a matter of technique :smileyvery-happy: <BR></P> <BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE><BR>yeah we can solo low green heroic groups like that, maybe mid green groups. WOW.  And this Templar has only 6 pieces of Fabled gear, but i can solo groups of ^ green heroics.

[Tau Nemes]

<div></div><p><font color="#ffffff" face="Arial" size="3"><span></span></font></p><hr><p><font color="#ffffff" face="Arial" size="2"><span>old durations 50seconds / 60 seconds</span></font></p><p><font color="#ffffff" face="Arial" size="2"><span> new durations</span></font></p><p><font color="#ffffff" face="Arial" size="2"><span>30 seconds / 36 seconds.</span></font></p><p><font color="#ffffff" face="Arial" size="2"><span>the update notes in 16b state it will be reduced slightly.  50% reduction is not a slight reduction in its duration.</span></font></p><p><font color="#ffffff" face="Times New Roman" size="3"><span></span></font></p><hr><p><font color="#ffffff" face="Times New Roman" size="3"><span><font color="#ffffff" face="Arial"> </font></span></font></p><p><font color="#6633ff" face="Verdana" size="2"><span>  You know, when they were testing the combat revamp, after a lot of testing they saw that roots needed to have the current values. There was a lot of tweaking, first the roots barely lasted a few seconds, finally it was clear that it is paramount for us to have workable roots, we expected that after the combat revamp they wouldn’t ‘fix’ what was more than tweaked already.And here they are trying once again, they are literally shooting themselves in the foot with this.</span></font></p><p><font color="#6633ff" face="Verdana" size="2"><span>Wasn’t enough testing and retesting and feedback before the combat revamp to now fall again in the same error? For what was the combat revamp then?Leave the roots alone, you’ll get the same feedback once again, don’t waste your time and ours, (and lose customers in the process)</span></font></p><p><font color="#6633ff" face="Verdana" size="2"><span> </span></font></p> <p> <font color="#6633ff" face="Verdana" size="2"><span></span></font></p> <div></div>

[massem]

<DIV><BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Cowdenicus wrote:<BR><BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> masseman wrote:<BR><BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Cowdenicus wrote:<BR><BR>Wizards have it so rough. Why yesterday, I watched a 58 wizard solo a 59^^^ Heroic, Get a ^^^ heroic add and still finish with over 70% health and 50% power. Must be dificult. <BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE> <P>Templars have i so rough. I just watched a templar buffing himself up with damage shield poisons and let the heroic group mobs beat themselves to death while he was healing himself. Must be difficult .... All classes can solo heroics, its just a matter of technique :smileyvery-happy: <BR></P> <BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE><BR>yeah we can solo low green heroic groups like that, maybe mid green groups. WOW.  And this Templar has only 6 pieces of Fabled gear, but i can solo groups of ^ green heroics. <BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE>Do you play a troll in-game as well ?  <BR></DIV>

[Jadr]

I predicted this would happen right after the combat revamp. There is no way we can keep a root with a fixed duration thats longer than IC recast, it allows us to pretty much solo anything thats not red on a good day. Sadly fixed duration roots were a terrible, terrible idea, (as shown in EQ1,) but as they decided to revert from variable duration to fixed duration, you can kiss good bye to any class getting a half decent root duration now. (For what its worth i know Inquizitors got hit by the same nerf this patch, as  another mber of my guild just quit over it.) <div></div>

[Lady Uaelr]

<P>I am begging SOE and the dev team to give everyone their roots back and to not consider this.</P> <P>Please let us enjoy the game - stop making things more difficult.</P> <P>At 50+ levels any mage should have the knowledge, intelligence and power to maintain a root at it's original duration pre-test update 16b.</P> <P>SOE I like the charm slot and other things that make the game enjoyable.</P> <P> </P> <P>But think about it - you have not addressed epic mob resistance to heat and cold for wizards.</P> <P>The mana transfer capability has been diminished.</P> <P>Ring of Ice is cold based and is resisted 60% of them time. The recast is not fast enough to cast it again on a mob and not die. This root breaks quickly.</P> <P>As it is I do not necessarily trust it so I double root mobs with truss - and that gets resisted also.</P> <P>I do not have rares sitting around to make everything adept 3 either.</P> <P>So think about what you are doing and think about how it will affect gameplay.</P> <P>After the re-vamp wizards for the most part are happy - considering how bad it was at the start with some of the lowest dps and almost zilch dps on raids.</P> <P>We only have one stun, one stifle. Heat Convulsion never seems to proc the stifle I thought it had and is never used.</P> <P>PLEASE HELP US ENJOY THE GAME AND STOP MAKING CHANGES TO CLASSES TO MAKE THEM LESS EFFECTIVE.</P> <P>Every wizard spell has high power cost as it is.</P> <P>Ontop of all of this you removed the Master spell for everyone that did not do the quest pre-nerf.</P> <P>Why do you (SOE and Dev Team) seek ways to make players unhappy and have to re-learn things again.</P> <P>You should be thinking about way to make spells more effcective and useful.</P> <P>Protoflame- after all the months of not being able to use it - now it has few hp and it can even keep aggro off caster - what is the point of using this spell- it breaks root too.</P> <P>Only good damage spells are ice comet - with a long recast and is resisted still by even lower level mobs, Arctic Icicles that gets resisted too because it is cold based. Ball of Incineration that has a ridiculous recast too. </P> <P>Flamestrike would be nice if it did more damage everything else is perfect with it.</P> <P>Cremate - damage very low for a high level spell like that and the dot is too short.</P> <P>Surging Tempest - many people do not even use this spell because it just is not practical.</P> <P>Sunstrike -thisi spell shoud provide more damage - ice flame is a low level spell and is morefrequently used than many of these new spells.</P> <P>I wish you could make more spells like Ice Flame - I think that is one of the BEST designed spells I have seen in the entire game for wizards.</P> <P>SO PLEASE: I have remained with you as a loyal customer since the begining and I hope you really consider this effort and give this class a break.</P> <P> </P> <P>BTW - I can not solo 59 ^^^ - I need somone to help me usually.</P> <P> </P> <P>Thanks.</P> <P> </P> <P> </P> <P> </P> <P> </P> <P> </P> <p>Message Edited by Lady Uaelrea on <span class=date_text>11-05-2005</span> <span class=time_text>01:11 PM</span>

[IllusiveThoughts]

<DIV>still same durations.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>I really really hope soe doesn't leave these changes the way they currently are.  </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Here's a suggestion GUYS (dev's mods, whoever will pass this along)</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>if your going to nerf the root duration by half, you need to reduce its recast by the same margin.  In otherwords 1 min duration nerfed to 36 sec is a 40% reduction.  Therefore the recast of ROI should be reduced to 12 seconds and ROC should be reduced to 10 seconds.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>I hope this message reaches somone important.</DIV>

[Lady Uaelr]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> IllusiveThoughts wrote:<BR> <DIV>still same durations.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>I really really hope soe doesn't leave these changes the way they currently are.  </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Here's a suggestion GUYS (dev's mods, whoever will pass this along)</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>if your going to nerf the root duration by half, you need to reduce its recast by the same margin.  In otherwords 1 min duration nerfed to 36 sec is a 40% reduction.  Therefore the recast of ROI should be reduced to 12 seconds and ROC should be reduced to 10 seconds.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>I hope this message reaches somone important.</DIV><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE> <P>Yes..I would definitely agree that would compensate for the duration.</P> <P>I mean mages are paper thin and all bread and butter is based on those roots.</P> <P>If you solo - root, nuke, root, nuke, root, nuke if it is a tough mob. All you are doing is making wizards waste more power and time to kill a mob and allow more possibilities to get killed.</P> <P>Please at least reduce the cast and recast and it's power consumption.<BR></P>

[XBr]

<span><blockquote><hr>Tau Nemesis wrote:<div></div><p><font color="#ffffff" face="Arial" size="3"><span></span></font></p><font color="#ffffff" face="Arial" size="2"><span>old durations 50seconds / 60 seconds</span></font><p><font color="#ffffff" face="Arial" size="2"><span> new durations 30 seconds / 36 seconds.</span></font></p><p><font color="#ffffff" face="Arial" size="2"><span>the update notes in 16b state it will be reduced slightly.  50% reduction is not a slight reduction in its duration.</span></font></p><p><font color="#ffffff" face="Times New Roman" size="3"><span></span></font></p><hr> </blockquote>It's actually a 40% reduction. You have to understand Sony update-speak. "Slightly" means anything under 50%. Notice that the reduction in the Necro Lich proc was NOT described as "slight". That had me really nervous whejn I saw it, and sure enough the nerf is about 55%.</span><div></div>

[IllusiveThoughts]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> XBrit wrote:<BR><SPAN><BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Tau Nemesis wrote:<BR> <P><FONT face=Arial color=#ffffff size=3><SPAN></SPAN></FONT></P><FONT face=Arial color=#ffffff size=2><SPAN>old durations 50seconds / 60 seconds</SPAN></FONT> <P><FONT face=Arial color=#ffffff size=2><SPAN> new durations 30 seconds / 36 seconds.</SPAN></FONT></P> <P><FONT face=Arial color=#ffffff size=2><SPAN>the update notes in 16b state it will be reduced slightly.  50% reduction is not a slight reduction in its duration.</SPAN></FONT></P> <P><FONT face="Times New Roman" color=#ffffff size=3><SPAN></SPAN></FONT></P> <HR> <BR></BLOCKQUOTE>It's actually a 40% reduction. You have to understand Sony update-speak. "Slightly" means anything under 50%. Notice that the reduction in the Necro Lich proc was NOT described as "slight". That had me really nervous whejn I saw it, and sure enough the nerf is about 55%.<BR></SPAN> <BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE><BR>Thanks for your input.  If you bothered to read the whole thread about 2 posts up you'll see I reworded it to 40%.

[SniplenButterfigs]

<span><blockquote><hr>IllusiveThoughts wrote: <blockquote> <hr> XBrit wrote:<span> <blockquote> <hr> Tau Nemesis wrote: <div></div> <p><font color="#ffffff" face="Arial" size="3"><span></span></font></p><font color="#ffffff" face="Arial" size="2"><span>old durations 50seconds / 60 seconds</span></font> <p><font color="#ffffff" face="Arial" size="2"><span> new durations 30 seconds / 36 seconds.</span></font></p> <p><font color="#ffffff" face="Arial" size="2"><span>the update notes in 16b state it will be reduced slightly.  50% reduction is not a slight reduction in its duration.</span></font></p> <p><font color="#ffffff" face="Times New Roman" size="3"><span></span></font></p> <hr> </blockquote>It's actually a 40% reduction. You have to understand Sony update-speak. "Slightly" means anything under 50%. Notice that the reduction in the Necro Lich proc was NOT described as "slight". That had me really nervous whejn I saw it, and sure enough the nerf is about 55%.</span> <div></div> <hr> </blockquote>Thanks for your input.  If you bothered to read the whole thread about 2 posts up you'll see I reworded it to 40%. <div></div><hr></blockquote>Well, since he chose an almost unreadable color for his post, i doubt many people will read it, i sure<span></span> didn't bother.</span><div></div>

[mr23sgte]

Cowdenicus wrote:<BR><BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> masseman wrote:<BR><BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Cowdenicus wrote:<BR><BR>Wizards have it so rough. Why yesterday, I watched a 58 wizard solo a 59^^^ Heroic, Get a ^^^ heroic add and still finish with over 70% health and 50% power. Must be dificult. <BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE> <P>Templars have i so rough. I just watched a templar buffing himself up with damage shield poisons and let the heroic group mobs beat themselves to death while he was healing himself. Must be difficult .... All classes can solo heroics, its just a matter of technique <IMG height=16 src="http://eqiiforums.station.sony.com/i/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif" width=16 border=0> <BR></P> <BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE><BR>yeah we can solo low green heroic groups like that, maybe mid green groups. WOW.  And this Templar has only 6 pieces of Fabled gear, but i can solo groups of ^ green heroics. <BR> <HR> Do you play a troll in-game as well ?  <BR> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Now that was funny - you should see him in the Fury Forums.</DIV>

[electricninjasex]

<span><blockquote><hr>Cowdenicus wrote:Wizards have it so rough. Why yesterday, I watched a 58 wizard solo a 59^^^ Heroic, Get a ^^^ heroic add and still finish with over 70% health and 50% power. Must be dificult. <div></div><hr></blockquote></span>Or maybe the wizard has a clue how to play his class.  Learn from him/her and maybe you can become a better player.

[Grimsore]

I play a Warlock, our roots were also shorted but I don't see what the concern is. They last plenty long to re-apply the root if the times running out and 95 percent of the time root is going to break, from nukes/dots, before the end duration anyway.

[IllusiveThoughts]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Grimsore wrote:<BR>I play a Warlock, our roots were also shorted but I don't see what the concern is. They last plenty long to re-apply the root if the times running out and 95 percent of the time root is going to break, from nukes/dots, before the end duration anyway.<BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE> <DIV>because your root wasn't nerfed by 40%</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>your max duration is 47 seconds.  thats just 13 seconds shorter.  That counts as a slight reduction to me as stated int he patch notes.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>24 second reduction in root is like a whole nother root, thats not a slight reduction 40% is massive.</DIV>

[SmEaGoLLuM]

<div></div><span><blockquote><hr>electricninjasex wrote:<span><blockquote><hr>Cowdenicus wrote:Wizards have it so rough. Why yesterday, I watched a 58 wizard solo a 59^^^ Heroic, Get a ^^^ heroic add and still finish with over 70% health and 50% power. Must be dificult. <div></div><hr></blockquote></span>Or maybe the wizard has a clue how to play his class.  Learn from him/her and maybe you can become a better player.<hr></blockquote>Don't make it sound like any skilled player can solo ^^^ yellow mobs. It depends on your class, namely classes which have enough ranged dps and root can do it. They are certainly not going to change the dps, it is the root which is the issue. An assassin for example certainly cannot solo a ^^^ yellow no matter the skill. Wizards are still by far the best at soloing named in the game, due to roots and namely, ice comet. Since it is instant and not a dot it is only a one point chance to break and in return if it does not break, massive damage has been dealt, not to mention it knockbacks and stuns. It is very high reward for the risk involved in conjunction with roots. And regarding warlocks ae root, it is better because warlocks are more ae based and more dot based. Each dot tick has a chance at breaking the root so in any fight there are more chances at breaking a warlock root.</span><div></div><p>Message Edited by SmEaGoLLuM86 on <span class=date_text>11-11-2005</span> <span class=time_text>11:54 AM</span>

[IllusiveThoughts]

let 's make sure we keep this thread on track, which by its title was about the wizard roc and roi changes.  and keep other class rants out.