Changes to Lich

[KBern]

<DIV>The change to lich as reported by some us a 50% reduction give or take.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>That is huge.  I personally can live with that IF you all also adjust the amount of health lich is consuming when used.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>To nerf one side or the equation and not the other would not be very balanced and basically ruin a class defining ability for necros.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Look into this a bit more devs before you make some of these changes please.</DIV>

[Tinantier]

this should be reversed - this will mean a huge cut to our dps <div></div>

[Kla]

<DIV>I dont post here in general but have been playing this game since beta.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>After painfully playing through all the pre combat changes where necros were pretty low on the dps spectrum,</DIV> <DIV>I am almost lvl 58, enjoying the class, and your going to nerf our DPS again?</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>I dont like to complain but this really is quite harsh and makes me wonder why you need to do this.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>There are good and bad points about each class and none are perfect but this change really makes a big difference.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>I'd rather see you post some rational thoughts behind this change rather than just announcing it and putting it on test.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Did you really think all the necros out there would approve of the change?</DIV> <DIV>Why bother to test it then.. just nerf the class if thats your intent.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Nebulas - Permafrost</DIV>

[Sosum]

lich is basically now our only way to try and keep with the conjurs... cutting it by 40-50% and you can forget it - our pets can't mitigate a paper bag unlike the conjur pets and now you take our shinning star of a spell.. thanks Sony you really don't want us having anything unique that other classes see a need for in grp/raid. It is easy to see which toons the Devs DON'T play. <div></div>

[KBern]

<DIV>Yeah I dont think they have a clue that necros have no direct damage w/o this spell other than siphon life.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Drawing of Souls swarm pets do not scale.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>We do not get pet mitigation buffs as do conj.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>We do not get DS's.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Someone at SOE is not thinking....</DIV>

[El Chupacabr]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> KBern wrote:<BR> <DIV>Yeah I dont think they have a clue that necros have no direct damage w/o this spell other than siphon life.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Drawing of Souls swarm pets do not scale.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>We do not get pet mitigation buffs as do conj.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>We do not get DS's.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Someone at SOE is not thinking....</DIV><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE><BR>Don't forget no targetable concentration buffs, no warlock pet buffs, the drawing of souls buffs cannot regen the health or power gained by them due to the 30 second duration, worst stun of the mages etc. etc. etc...

[Tanes]

<P>I canceled my account pre revamp becuase people would laugh at the necromancer class and I could not get groups.. checked the game out after revamped and liked what they did.. been playing again and enjoying and getting groups.. if you cut our dps im going to cancel again.. i feel we suffered trough 50 lvls of [expletive haxx0red by Raijinn] no dps and finally had a reward at the end of the tunnel this is like a total slap in the face.. can you say.. take your 15 bucks and stuff it where the sun not shine!</P> <P> </P>

[xxArcane]

<P>This is going to mean a HUGE cut in DPS. Necro's will now officialy be the worst of the DPS classes. This will make soloing harder and make us the last class anyone wants in a group or raid.</P> <P>I am extremely upset and outraged by this nerf. We can barely keep up with conjurers as it is. After this nerf we will be a laughing stock. </P> <P>The conjurers may as well get ready for the nerf bat as well, because if we get nerfed this hard they are soon to follow. There is one spell I know of that conjurers realy like ( The bezerker pet buff that last 30 seconds or whatever) that adds HUGE amounts of DPS to their pets.</P> <P>SOE, I do not know how you came to the conclusion that Lich needed to be nerfed by 50% ( Probably some SQL statement that spit out a number you didn't like), but you actualy need to play the class and see for yourself that there is no need for ANY nerf at all, much less a 50% nerf.</P>

[Tanes]

<P>account canceled and I feel better already.. i'll be watching.. if stop fooking the necro I may return..</P> <P> </P>

[KBern]

<P>Well I see the devs slowly responding to other class posts concerned about changes in LU16, so I am waiting with baited breath until they give us the "official" word on this, and the reason behind it.</P> <P> </P>

[Ninusar]

<DIV>For those of you leaveing becasue one spell got nufed, good bye.   I cant believe so many people find it nessesary to complain about 1 spell nerf.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Conjs/ Necros are not suposed to be uber Damage. at max with DPS they are suposed to be T2 damage.  So if you want uber damage then you are playing the wrong class.  If you want a self reliant solo class thats good at everything but just not the best then summoner is for you.</DIV>

[Sosum]

<span><blockquote><hr>Ninusar wrote:<div>For those of you leaveing becasue one spell got nufed, good bye.   I cant believe so many people find it nessesary to complain about 1 spell nerf.</div> <div> </div> <div>Conjs/ Necros are not suposed to be uber Damage. at max with DPS they are suposed to be T2 damage.  So if you want uber damage then you are playing the wrong class.  If you want a self reliant solo class thats good at everything but just not the best then summoner is for you.</div><hr></blockquote>I take it your not a necro then. we never been the best DPS which is fine and also makes it hard to understand why our only real DPS spell is getting nerfed...</span><div></div>

[xxArcane]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Ninusar wrote:<BR> <DIV>For those of you leaveing becasue one spell got nufed, good bye.   I cant believe so many people find it nessesary to complain about 1 spell nerf.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Conjs/ Necros are not suposed to be uber Damage. at max with DPS they are suposed to be T2 damage.  So if you want uber damage then you are playing the wrong class.  If you want a self reliant solo class thats good at everything but just not the best then summoner is for you.</DIV><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE><BR>That "one spell" is the only reason we are even in T2 as far as DPS goes. Take away the lich proc and we go WAY DOWN in DPS. We won't even be in t2.

[Kla]

<P>Ninusar is just one of those useless posters that know nothing of Necromancers but like to offer an opinion that is meaningless.</P> <P>Go away if you have nothing to add to a topic of importance to us Necromancers.</P>

[Thibor24]

<P>Just to add, conjurers are taking a significant nerf with this patch as well.</P> <P>Our shattered line is being reduced to 5 seconds.</P> <P>Both conj and necro seemed well balanced and were finally after 9 months fun to play.</P> <P>Stop with the nerf and no explanations.</P> <P> </P>

[Cuz]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Klawh wrote:<BR> <P>Ninusar is just one of those useless posters that know nothing of Necromancers but like to offer an opinion that is meaningless.</P> <P>Go away if you have nothing to add to a topic of importance to us Necromancers.</P> <BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE><BR>Add me to that list. I don't believe quitting because of 1 spell is rational.

[Ninusar]

<DIV><FONT color=#ff3300>I take it your not a necro then. we never been the best DPS which is fine and also makes it hard to understand why our only real DPS spell is getting nerfed...<BR> </FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT color=#ff0000>That "one spell" is the only reason we are even in T2 as far as DPS goes. Take away the lich proc and we go WAY DOWN in DPS. We won't even be in t2.</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT color=#ff3300></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT color=#ff3300>Ninusar is just one of those useless posters that know nothing of Necromancers but like to offer an opinion that is meaningless.</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT color=#ff3300></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT color=#ffffff>You got me im a Conj.  Seeking to ruin the Necro class and making random posts.  But if it makes and difference i have a 30 Necro as well and play my buddys Necro for him on many occasions.   Dont know how many of you use parsers but I do.  And i promise you Necros and Conjs did more damage then was intended.  Necros more than Conjs.  And like posted before Conjs got a nerf to and that was much more detremental to the class becase the shattering line had its pacify and stun duration nurfed to 5 seconds.  Something that many need in order to solo efficently, seeing as our heal is 250-300 depending on spell lvl and is a mana hog.  So from playing both at high lvls and constant parsing i am more than qualified to say that this spell wasnt detremental.  If there isnt a segnificant differnt between summoners and T1 DPS then thier classes have no point. We solo better than them as it is.  We cant have everything... if we did then there wouldnt be a point to haveing other classes.  I have played his necro post patch and can say it is definatly not a big deal.</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT color=#ff3300> </FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT color=#ff3300></FONT> </DIV>

[Jai1]

<P>Yeah I cant believe all the crying. I have played a necro since day 1. For 50 levels, I had to work very hard to be a DPS class but it was possible. I usually only excelled in long encounters and raids. My ae ability was laughable even with master spells. I was really happy when they gave be the ability to heal and combat rez(still waiting on ranged rez to get corpses from under boss mobs). After combat changes, I was usually among the highest dps for AE and ^^^'s. Pet is doing crazy dam now too. Had to really watch the agro when raiding. </P> <P>I knew it was too much and a nerf was coming. My power was overwhelming. Out of all the abilities and power we have gotten since DoF, a cut on lich damage when they increase my dots puts necros in line with what they are supposed to be. Highest DPS in long encounters. We are NOT a quick damage class. Our max DPS output comes after about 5 spells have been cast. We are still the best class to have on raids like K'Dal and DoF. One of the main things I wanted to do was save groups and raids from wipes. We still do this. Do we do less lich dam? Is it that important? Still doing about 176 per hit so its still alot. It affects our ae ability mostly but that power has just been recently given to us and I still do some crazy ae dam.</P> <P>I really don't think a lot of you know what a necro is supposed to be about.  I promise you, if you play right, people will be impressed with necros. You won't have problems finding groups or a raiding guild. Although, I am kinda sad we got our hp and power buff taken away, we still have a lot of group utility. We can croud control with root and fear and offtanking, we can do about 400dps(twice as much as pre-DoF) while healing others, we can combat rez, we can pet pull, we can get a mob down 20% before it hits the group on long pulls with snare and swarm pets,  we can certainly solo, we dish out hearts and we are the raid DPS for long encounters... even ae. Play whatever game/class you want but think a little bit more about what necros have become vs what you feel has been taken away. Anyways, I still think I do a lot of instant damage with MII SL. Usually can only get one in on quick mobs.  </P>

[Styk]

<DIV>When you can have conjurors doing warlock  dps ( pre 16 ) and necros doing wizard dps ( pre 16 ) there is a problem, You know who were our top 5 dpsers on raids consistently ? ( we always have at least 2 wiz , 2 warlock on them as well ) our only necro and at least 1 of the 2 conjurers we have in the guild..... I know yall are hating it and i totally feel you ( berserker = nerf bat victim ) but when you can see a conjurer spiking up to 3.5k dps and necros doing over 2k dps there there is a problem ( yall were never ment for Tier 1 dps ) </DIV>

[Ninusar]

<DIV>In long extended fights Conj and Nec might come close but i promise you if Conj is doing top 5 DPS in raid with DPS classes his lvl raiding with him the other players are poorly equiped and not trying.  I am a conj and i promise that we do not have extreme DPS... as a matter of fact we have stun / pacify spells to make up for the fact that we cant kill mobs fast enough without them to make solong efficent.</DIV>

[TunaBoo]

AOE fights pre EV nerf our conjs could out dps anyone even warlock(well less he used his 6million debuff dps trick). Less crazy now.. but conjs still solid dps. Necro dps is IMHO a tad lower then it should be with the lich nerf.. the change to our dots didn't make up for our lose in lich procs ;/ <div></div>