New Carpet/Steed price - sellback question

[AngelVyxen]

<DIV>The patch notes confused me a little.. so.. should one sell back their carpet for 50p before the patch and repurchase, or will there be a way for ppl with old carpets to resell and rebuy after patch and get their 50p back still.  Any ideas? Or has there been a post on this I've missed.</DIV>

[Magu]

From what I understand, your carpet will still have a higher sellback rate after the update. <div></div>

[Minion]

<DIV>The question is... Will it be more or less then what it is right now</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>You are going to have some [Removed for Content] off players if they wait till LU and see the sellback is lower then what it was...</DIV>

[aznctguy00]

<div></div><span><blockquote><hr>MinionTA wrote:<div>The question is... Will it be more or less then what it is right now</div> <div> </div> <div>You are going to have some [Removed for Content] off players if they wait till LU and see the sellback is lower then what it was...</div><hr></blockquote>/agree I don't think there are any lvl 30 guilds on test... either that or they don't read the forums.. but yeah, patch notes weren't very clear on what they are doing with the sellback. Does "close to the amount spent" mean more or less than what it is now?</span><div></div>

[Heiro]

<DIV>Correct,  no lvl 30 guilds .... yet...</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>few lvl 27 almost 28 ones... but none that are 30...</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Will advise when i can...</DIV>

[HanktheDwarf]

The new prices for these are (in theory)... just over 10pp.  The sell back for the old stuff just over 40pp.  Just what a little birdy told me. <div></div>

[Smilinglorax]

<P>The carpets are now 10plat and 250k status. We are guild lvl 30 on test. They sell back for 41 plat. SO for all of those that worked so hard once again you are screwed. I love the way SOE rewards the people that play the most by removing anything that requires effort and time. I saved for a year to get a carpet and like that not everyone has one. But apparently if you play the game all the time and work hard to get things done your opinion is not worth as much as they guy that plays 1 day a week for a few hours but whines a lot. </P> <P>In a few more updates they will probably just make all characters start at lvl 60 cuz levelling takes time and effort. Then they will probably make fabled armor available for 1 copper of brokers so no one has to raid anymore that takes time and effort too. Then we can all have the exact same toon with all the same stuff and no one can complain. </P> <P>Maybe if they took all the developers paychecks and gave them a massive paycut so that minimum wage workers didn't feel left out, they could understand where a few of us are coming from.</P> <P>One would also think too that there is so much more in the game that needs to be fixed, itemized, balanced without messing with the things that do not.</P>

[A]

<DIV>Smilingloraxwrote:</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV><EM>But apparently if you play the game all the time and work hard to get things done your opinion is not worth as much as they guy that plays 1 day a week for a few hours but whines a lot.</EM> </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>  I understand how you think your opinion should mean more than some one who plays very casually, but Ill let you in on a little secret.    There are 2592000 seconds in a 30 day month.  If some one logs in in those first few seconds, logs out, and doesnt log in again the rest of the month or if some one could possibly play all 2592000 secs that month they both will pay SOE the EXACT same amount of money.  Period.  You can say you test this and explore that blah blah blah but with Sony or any company it all boils down to money.  And in the money department both play styles are completely EQUAL.</DIV>

[Minion]

<DIV>So the sellback for old carpets is 41p on test??</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Which means we should sell ours BEFORE the next LU.... </DIV>

[Smilinglorax]

<DIV>Aaz wrote : <EM>And in the money department both play styles are completely EQUAL</EM>.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>In the long run it is the high end raiders that play the game the for years and such for the most part. With no high-end MMORPGs die relatively fast. That is what is keeping EQ1 alive still today. </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Also wanted to say that I don't think my opinion is worth any more then anyone elses. It is just that there are things in the game that do not need fixing. Having an item or items that are extremely rare or expensive are nice. There is a sense of achievement upon acquiring them. De-valuing these things a year into the game is more of a let down and shows lack of integrity.  </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV> </DIV>

[dadowar]

<DIV>This could present a problem for those who are no longer in a level 30 guild, like myself.   If I sell it now, I will not be able to re-purchase it at a lower price until I rejoin a level 30 guild.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV><FONT size=4>SOE flag those who have carpets, or spirit horses and allow them to trade regardless of current guild status.</FONT></DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>I contirbuted almost 250K in guild status before leaving my old guild and have almost 2.5 million in personal status.</DIV>

[Mistmoore-Milaga]

<DIV>Yes, it seems like bad business to alienate those hardcore players, causing them to lose 60 months worth of revenue.  If, in their changes, they manage to get another 99 people to stay for at least another month, is that good business?  Even years after taking introductory courses in micro- and macro-economics I think, yes, that is a good move.  I do not doubt SoE knows their demographics very well.  I do not doubt that SoE understands that with each change to improve their customer base, they will lose customers.  There is a rule in customer service: Someone is seven times more likely to be vocal about a bad experience than a good.  So for all these people complaining about the changes, you can bet there are seven people who are quietly happy about them.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>As a disclaimer, these numbers are not based on fact.  Even the "seven" rule, while I understand it to be seven in generic customer service terms, is probably very different in this industry.  From my experiences on these forums, it's probably closer to 20 for MMORPGs.  I work in customer service and I have played MMORPGs since they were called MUDs.  Not that this makes me any more right than you, but it does imply that I know a little bit about what I post about.</DIV>

[tek2]

<P>10plat and 250k status? are you devs completely out of your mind?? nothing like screwing the people that saved tons of money and did countless writs like myself to obtain this item. and it says it will sell for "close" to what i bought it for??? I bought it for 60plat, 41 plat is NOT EVEN close, 19plat is an astronomical amount.  Hell i could buy 2 more carpets now for my alts with that. it should sell back for AT LEAST 50, if not the full price since youre already bending us over and practically handing them out to anyone in a lvl 30 guild who can mine 3cobalt clusters and make 10plat.</P> <P>way to [expletive haxx0red by Raijinn] on the hardcore gamers once again soe. way to go.</P> <P> </P> <P>I want full price sellback,  now that every tom [expletive haxx0red by Raijinn] and harry in a level 30 guild will have one of these i will not be re-buying it.</P><p>Message Edited by tek2k5 on <span class=date_text>11-01-2005</span> <span class=time_text>02:59 AM</span>

[aznctguy00]

<div></div><span><blockquote><hr>Smilinglorax wrote:<p>The carpets are now 10plat and 250k status. We are guild lvl 30 on test. They sell back for 41 plat. SO for all of those that worked so hard once again you are screwed. I love the way SOE rewards the people that play the most by removing anything that requires effort and time. I saved for a year to get a carpet and like that not everyone has one. But apparently if you play the game all the time and work hard to get things done your opinion is not worth as much as they guy that plays 1 day a week for a few hours but whines a lot. </p><div></div><hr></blockquote> [Removed for Content]? 10pp 250k status??? Thats less than the DoF horses. What the hell are the devs thinking? I really hope that this change was made because they are adding guild lvl 35 or 40 mounts. This change is just pathetic. I didn't know a "significant decrease" meant a 50p 500k status decrease in price. Having a carpet/steed will no longer be a "status symbol." Whatever... </span><div></div>

[btennison]

<P>Good Lord! What a bunch of elitist bs! The sad thing is most of you will never know just how pathetic your pleas sound to the rest of us.</P> <P>Donald Trump says"Waaaaa, I paid $25,000 for my plasma screen and now they're only $2,000! Waaaaa, now even the dirty, great unwashed, normal people can buy them! Waaaa, I don't want mine anymore! Waaaaaa how could you do this, I'M SPECIAL!!!!</P>

[dadowar]

<DIV> <P></P> <HR> <P>Good Lord! What a bunch of elitist bs! The sad thing is most of you will never know just how pathetic your pleas sound to the rest of us.</P> <P>Donald Trump says"Waaaaa, I paid $25,000 for my plasma screen and now they're only $2,000! Waaaaa, now even the dirty, great unwashed, normal people can buy them! Waaaa, I don't want mine anymore! Waaaaaa how could you do this, I'M SPECIAL!!!!</P> <HR> </DIV> <P>Well, based on YOUR message I would say that you are special.  You have probably been specail all your life.  It sounds like you have taken special education classes.</P> <P>This game is all about the "strut" factor.  Folks want the fabled gear. decked out homes. or items that no one else has.  Art imitates life.......</P>

[btennison]

Yep, collect your welfare so you can stay home & play 24/7, then "strut" to your betters about how special you are. Unbelievable! :smileyvery-happy:

[Sean Leclair]

please make sure or verify that you were trying to sell it to one of the 2 stable hands, 1 in SQ and one in er i think WFP, any other vendor even on live will only give you 41 plat but the stable hands pay 50 plat. though every vendor gives back 750k status complete bulls hit that they arent ont test.

[Minion]

<DIV>As Sean Leclaire2 said</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Please verify you were trying to sell it back to the right person.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Current Sellback: (On Live)</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Normal NPC: 41p, 66g, 66s, 65c and 750000SP</DIV> <DIV>Stable Hand Stonebear: 50p and 750000SP</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>I would really like to know what to do (Sell before/after)</DIV> <DIV>I do not want to lose 10p just because SoE has no clue how to run a game anymore...</DIV>

[Twizzel]

LoL...some of you folks up there above act like I am going to log on and gather 250k status points in an evening of play...from experience I know it takes QUITE a bit longer than that...and not like 10p falls from the sky either...oh, and then there is the matter of how many lvl 30 guilds there are across the servers...

[Kizee]

<P>I don't have a spirit steed or a carpet but I think its kinda bogus they are doing this. </P> <P>On the other hand I don't think that they should have been priced THAT high...60pp is a ton of cash for something thats only marginally faster than the tier lower.</P> <P>It does give me some hope that they will be working on guild level 40 rewards soon.</P>

[Kenazeer]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Smilinglorax wrote:<BR> <DIV>Aaz wrote : <EM>And in the money department both play styles are completely EQUAL</EM>.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>In the long run it is the high end raiders that play the game the for years and such for the most part. <FONT color=#ff0000>With no high-end MMORPGs die relatively fast.</FONT> That is what is keeping EQ1 alive still today. </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Also wanted to say that I don't think my opinion is worth any more then anyone elses. It is just that there are things in the game that do not need fixing. Having an item or items that are extremely rare or expensive are nice. There is a sense of achievement upon acquiring them. De-valuing these things a year into the game is more of a let down and shows lack of integrity.  </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV> </DIV><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE><BR> <DIV>City of Heroes/City of Villains may be the exception to this, and at the minute have a higher online population than EQ2. Just an FYI.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Edit to remove that pesky Y.</DIV><p>Message Edited by Kenazeer on <span class=date_text>11-01-2005</span> <span class=time_text>05:32 AM</span>

[Ellywen]

<P>Not for nothing, but I play way more than the average gamer - I have 3 level 60 crafters, and my main adventurer is 59.  I have plenty of plat, but you know what?  This hardcore player refuses to pay 60pp for an 8% horse increase when my guild hits 30.  Why?  Cause it's a blatant waste of money, and I would hate to be seen as one of the idiotic few who used to enjoy afking in QH so people could ooh and ahh at them.  60pp for an 8% speed increase over an affordable horse is called displaying BDS - bigger [expletive haxx0red by Raijinn] syndrome.  </P> <P>I'm glad they're finally putting these horses at a reasonable price - still not sure if I will get one though, because I enjoy my stat increases on my DoF horse, but this is more in line with what it should be.  The prestige should be from being guild 30, not from doling out 60pp that you probably got from botting in a TS instance.</P><p>Message Edited by Ellywen on <span class=date_text>11-01-2005</span> <span class=time_text>10:23 AM</span>

[VizP]

The point being now that the carpet and horse are less ooh aah items but more specific items for your character. Its YOUR choice what type of mount you want - is it an expansion horse, a standard horse, a ghost horse or a carpet? If you think getting 250k and 10 plat is easy, you need to get some perspective because in truth if you look at player numbers, the majority are casual players trying desperately to get their first plat. Yes at higher levels its easier but one must get there first. <div></div>

[Zachatan]

<DIV>hello are most of you complainers missing the point... </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>IN DOF --- yo ucan get a 40% horse with 4.2 protection for 14 PPs.... Its only logical that they make the other carpet and spirit mount the cost it is now... and come on... a spirit horse is still a symbole of a high lvl guild.....  but they never wanted to take away from the players that play some time not all the time...</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Yea some of you have the time to play ever second of the day... some of you have no lives and sit in front of a comp and play 24/7 some of you are retired and some of you live with yoru parents....</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Well i for one work everyday... but still find time to play... and i and so many others deserve a shot at getting this item... without giving up my life to play this game</DIV>

[Vicio]

<DIV>The new cost for the Spirit Steed and Carpet don't make sense.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>10pp and 250k status for a 48% horse/carpet =/= 14pp 40% Armored Horse</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>I think the Spirit Steed should at least be around 15pp if that's what SOE wants to do. It might also be wise to say if they're going to add new 56% speed horse and armored variants.</DIV>

[Minion]

<DIV>If you want to watch something funny... Go look at the richest list the day before.. and the day after this LU</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>There is going to be a HUGE flow of Plat coming back into the game... With nothing to spend it on...</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>The top 25-40 people on every server will have OVER 100p each...</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>What are they suppose to do with it??  You take away expencive fluff so that everybody can afford it... yet add nothing new</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Should we sell it on Ebay?</DIV>

[tek2]

<DIV>just sold mine back to the West Freeport Stable hand (the one that moves around not the static guy) and he gave me 58plat 33gold back plus the 750k status. Not taking any chances of SOE screwing up anything more after the LU so i sold it now</DIV>

[Minion]

<DIV>You sold your carpet... on a Live server... for 58p?!?!?!?!</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>I am definatly doing this if this is the case.. </DIV>

[Minion]

<P>Qeynos </P> <P>Stable Hand Stonebear: 50p, 750k status</P> <P>Stable Hand Marcellun Iver: 41p, 66g, 66s, 65c,  750k status</P> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Freeport Stable Hands will not do business with me <img src="/smilies/9d71f0541cff0a302a0309c5079e8dee.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /></DIV><p>Message Edited by MinionTA on <span class=date_text>11-01-2005</span> <span class=time_text>11:03 PM</span>

[aznctguy00]

<div></div>Wait... so... FP people can sell their carpet/steed for 58pp? and Qeynos people can sell their carpet/steed for 50pp? That makes sense... <span>:smileysad:</span> <div></div>

[Kilaelya]

<P>Sell your mounts now and wait until the new guild reward mounts =p</P> <P>I remember when the first two people got their carpets and spirit steeds. It was definatly something that should have been special. As it is I think it's lame you can get a carpet from the quest in Sinking Sands <img src="/smilies/9d71f0541cff0a302a0309c5079e8dee.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /> Even if the speeds arent the same, how would you tell the difference?</P> <P>/rude SOE</P>

[Minion]

<P>I remeber that day... Guild got lv30 after months of hard work</P> <P>Then we got to see a screenshot of 2 of their members next to each other in guild lv30 cloths riding spirit steed / carpet</P> <P> </P> <P>That screen shot made me work my [expletive haxx0red by Raijinn] off to get guild lv30.... you know back when it ment something...</P>

[z3oslo]

Maybe they want more people to move to exchange servers, so we can unload som pp? <DIV>Cause as of now, there is not much you can spend alot of money on ..</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Have they touched the price on any of the other horses? Seems really strange that the fastest horse/carpet is cheaper than the DOF horses ..</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Anyway, its pretty clear that SOE is in some kind of panic, trying to get new players into the game. More solo content, easier heritage quest, cheaper horses, more exp gained for doing quests, now they are about to increase the vitality to last longer at higher levels, which will make it faster to reach lvl 60, tradskill experience is 4 times what it used to be, and the new hot thing, shard-merchants!! buy back your shard for a few copper (or whatever) Debt for dying is pretty much non-existant... and the list goes on and on and on ..</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Obviously, the designers and artists behind this game dont have much influence anymore, its the guys that control the moneybag that set the the stage now. Not a good thing imo.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Maybe this will bring new players to the game, but also some will leave. </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>I understand that you cant please everybodt in a game, that is just not possible, but why does everything in the game need to be accessible to everyone? Why cant we have [expletive haxx0red by Raijinn] long quests that will take MONTHS to complete, even for HC players. Why cant some items in game be so expensive that you would have to work your [expletive haxx0red by Raijinn] off to afford it? Why is that so bad? Isnt that the core of this kind of games? Always have a goal to reach? </DIV>

[Unholy_Ang]

<DIV>IT IS STUPID! They should make the mounts have a much greater speed increase. It does not make any sense that SOE is lowering the price of those 60pp mounts which makes the ones who worked hard for that 60p envious of the people who can now buy them really cheaply (this is on test server atm). I think instead they should make the current 60pp mounts retain their price but have an substantial increase in speed.<BR></DIV>

[Unholy_Ang]

<DIV>On test they are reducing the guild lvl 30 status mount cost from 60pp to something less expensive. I think they should keep the price so people will have something to earn. But, SOE should make the mount speed a lot faster to compensate for the fact that you can get a similar speed mount with stats for only 14pp in majdul.. and at no status cost or guild level requirement.<BR></DIV>

[SalBlu]

<DIV><BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Unholy_Anger wrote:<BR> <DIV>IT IS STUPID! They should make the mounts have a much greater speed increase. It does not make any sense that SOE is lowering the price of those 60pp mounts which makes the ones who worked hard for that 60p envious of the people who can now buy them really cheaply (this is on test server atm). I think instead they should make the current 60pp mounts retain their price but have an substantial increase in speed.<BR></DIV><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE><BR>Oh please.  Get over yourself.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>This is called a realistic change that better falls in accordance with the other mounts.  There's no reason for the mount to be 60 platinum when all the rest are priced much lower.  The top end, lower price horse is 40% speed and has stat modifiers attached to it.  The carpet/spirit steed is 8% more speed gain.  IMO the prices should both be 14 platinum.  One you give up speed for stats, while the other you give up stats for speed.  The difference is not great enough to warrant the current price tag.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>As for being a status symbol.  Yeah... it is, but who cares.  I had 68 platinum way back before my guild hit 30.  I knew carpet/spirit steed was the lvl 30 mount, but decided to save my money which I spent on my alts, or gave away to my friends to get them going.  Its just overpriced rediculousness to pay for such a mount, and I think SOE finally realizes this.</DIV>

[AngelVyxen]

<P>Oh well, Updated 16 is scheduled for Nov. 9th according to the EQII birthday information post.  Which means on Nov. 8th I get to sell back for 50p and have another 40p I don't know what to do with.   I guess I'll finally buy my Elaborate Loom with the extra status I get back.</P> <P> </P> <P>Btw what's up with the Freeport selling for 58p thing? You guys are really able to sell your carpets for 58p?</P> <DIV>edited cuz I got confuzzled.</DIV><p>Message Edited by AngelVyxen on <span class=date_text>11-02-2005</span> <span class=time_text>09:54 AM</span>

[AngelVyxen]

<P>___</P> <DIV>So the sellback for old carpets is 41p on test??</DIV> <DIV>___</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Wait, I'm confused.. I thought there were no lvl 30 guilds on test prior to the change.  Was that a misconception? The way I was reading it, a guild just hit 30 and saw the new prices.  If that was the case, how could they tell the original sell-back amount if no one had carpets prior to the change.  So were we just wrong that there was no lvl 30 guild on test yet?</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>As for not knowing if the person from Test who posted was looking at the correct vendor.. better safe than sorry, if it's 41p straight up or 41p/50p like the live servers, best to sell your carpet on the 8th just incase if you're still in your lvl 30+ guild.  </DIV><p>Message Edited by AngelVyxen on <span class=date_text>11-02-2005</span> <span class=time_text>09:55 AM</span>

[Unholy_Ang]

<DIV>"Oh please.  Get over yourself. <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>This is called a realistic change that better falls in accordance with the other mounts.  There's no reason for the mount to be 60 platinum when all the rest are priced much lower.  The top end, lower price horse is 40% speed and has stat modifiers attached to it.  The carpet/spirit steed is 8% more speed gain.  IMO the prices should both be 14 platinum.  One you give up speed for stats, while the other you give up stats for speed.  The difference is not great enough to warrant the current price tag.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>As for being a status symbol.  Yeah... it is, but who cares.  I had 68 platinum way back before my guild hit 30.  I knew carpet/spirit steed was the lvl 30 mount, but decided to save my money which I spent on my alts, or gave away to my friends to get them going.  Its just overpriced rediculousness to pay for such a mount, and I think SOE finally realizes this."</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>- OMG lol why are you going to tell me to get over myself? I realize that having a 48% speed horse for 60pp is totally bogus. I'm not saying they should keep the price AND keep the same barely marginal increase in run speed from a 14pp horse in maj'dul or a 5pp 40% speed horse in the stables. I AM SAYING that soe should INCREASE the speed on these 60pp horses to something that would make it WORTH 60pp. For instance, make these horses have a 60% increase with extra stats or something instead of keeping a 48% speed increase and lowering the price down to 10pp and 250k sp. You must not have understand my idea, because the way i see it, this change would make more sense since people would have a goal, but the reward would actually be worth it.... worth more than spending 60pp on your alts...</DIV></DIV>

[TheDepu]

Any confirmation on the 50 plat Qeynos versus 58 plat freeport sell back? I can't see them allowing a sell back greater than 58p 33g. If that is an option I'll probably jump on it even though I'm concerned I won't be able to replace my rug no longer being in a level 40 guild. Any info devs?The Deputy

[dadowar]

<DIV>I sold my carpet to the stablehand that chases the pigs in FP.  He gave me 58pp 33g and my 750K status back.</DIV>

[Traldan Omegafyre]

That's some dumb [expletive haxx0red by Raijinn] right there. =<div></div>

[xxArcane]

<DIV>Considering the fact that you have to be in a level 30 guild (Definately no small achievement) and you also have to spend 10p and 250k status I don't think there is anything wrong with it. I only goes 8% faster than the horses that cost 5p and adds no other bonuses, unlike the Armoured horses that add stats.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>What are you all worked up over anyway? Everyone and their grandma has carpets now that DOF came out.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>If they are going to up anything then up the Status required, not the plat. Heck leave the status at 750k. This would make it so only devoted guild members get to buy the carpet, not just some johny on the spot who happend to be invited to a level 30 guild when it was already level 30+.</DIV><p>Message Edited by xxArcanexx on <span class=date_text>11-03-2005</span> <span class=time_text>02:38 PM</span>

[dr4gonUK]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Ellywen wrote:<BR> <P> The prestige should be from being guild 30, not from doling out 60pp that you probably got from botting in a TS instance.</P> <P></P> <HR> <P>Says it all really. And the stable hand buys back at 50pp, so i dont see what all the whiners are moaning about.</P> <P>/dons flameproof trenchcoat.</P> <P>ps. City of Heroes sucks.</P></BLOCKQUOTE><BR>

[Suta]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Smilinglorax wrote:<BR> <P>The carpets are now 10plat and 250k status. We are guild lvl 30 on test. They sell back for 41 plat. SO for all of those that worked so hard once again you are screwed. I love the way SOE rewards the people that play the most by removing anything that requires effort and time. I saved for a year to get a carpet and like that not everyone has one. But apparently if you play the game all the time and work hard to get things done your opinion is not worth as much as they guy that plays 1 day a week for a few hours but whines a lot. </P> <P>In a few more updates they will probably just make all characters start at lvl 60 cuz levelling takes time and effort. Then they will probably make fabled armor available for 1 copper of brokers so no one has to raid anymore that takes time and effort too. Then we can all have the exact same toon with all the same stuff and no one can complain. </P> <P>Maybe if they took all the developers paychecks and gave them a massive paycut so that minimum wage workers didn't feel left out, they could understand where a few of us are coming from.</P> <P>One would also think too that there is so much more in the game that needs to be fixed, itemized, balanced without messing with the things that do not.</P> <BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE><BR> <DIV>I agree with everything you said.  My guild is level 21 and I have over a million status.  That long term goal of saving 60 plat and the original status amount seems... gimped now.     </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>I wish the whiners would go to WoW where thinking isn't required to gain everything you want.</DIV>

[Sean Leclair]

so if i sneak back into west freeport to try and sell it to the stablehand hes gonna probably say he doesnt want my business huh? i had snuck into freeport to buy it in the first place cause i didnt want the parade style. but im sure status merchants are dif.

[Tockl]

<DIV>Our guild is level 29.6 and several of us had been working toward this for a very long time.  Few of us could even afford to think of getting a carpet, but now it just all seems pointless.  Sure, 60p was awfully high, but to drop it to 10 is just plain rediculous.</DIV> <DIV>Reduce it to 50, or even 40.  Increase the speed.  Drop the price considerably but increase the status requirement.</DIV> <DIV>Sure I pay the same as everyone else for this game, but the game being almost a year old and me NOT having a carpet is a GOOD thing.  When I do get it, it will be an accomplishment that will have staying power.</DIV> <DIV>As it is, TSing is now a joke, adventuring will soon be made much easier, status items will be common.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>I really like this game, but unless they come out with a very large expansion soon - expanding levels and content considerably - I don't see myself playing too far into the future.  Everything that I could work towards is being stripped down and beaten with a gnome.</DIV>

[dparker7]

<P>SOE will do whatever SOE wants to do in the end.  They dont listen in general.  </P> <P>However, I would like an explanation of why the sell back price isnt 100% when the last time they changed mounts people got hte option to sell back for 100% of what they paid.</P>

[Celestian_]

<span><blockquote><hr>Smilinglorax wrote:<div>Aaz wrote : <em>And in the money department both play styles are completely EQUAL</em>.</div> <div> </div> <div> </div> <div>In the long run it is the high end raiders that play the game the for years and such for the most part. With no high-end MMORPGs die relatively fast. That is what is keeping EQ1 alive still today. </div> <hr></blockquote>Um, with no CONTENT mmorpgs will die, it has nothing to do with "raiders". The reason all people do in EQ1 is raid is because that's the ONLY way to get the good items. If they had more casual content that was just as challenging as raid content but spread out over time people would be doing that. However since there is this idea that 50+ people and 12 hour gaming in one instance is the only way to get decent items of COURSE that's all thats left. Everyone else got sick of not achieving anything at a certain point and quit. This isn't a "EQ" problem, WoW does it also. </span><div></div>

[Redlan]

All I can say is no freakin' way! After 1 year of playing I am FInally able to just now buy a spirit steed and they about to change it to 10 plat and 250k status? listen SoE, your loyal base customers need a few perks to make them feel nice and look distinguishable. You are about to hand one of the few things left, aside from top end status housing to the average Joe Blow. Halve the [expletive haxx0red by Raijinn] price, but for goodness sake dont let it go live at 10 plat! Nothing against the causal player, heck in most senses I am a causal player but letting Johnny Reb who's been playing for 1-2 months, is in a lvl 30 guild, and has no real idea what it's like to want something so bad for so long and then have it practically handed to him it's just not right. 'Nuff said, I will say no more.

[Big]

They say the two happiest days for a Porshe owner are 1) the day he buys it, and 2) the day he sells it.  I am the first carpet owner on Lavastorm and couldn't be happier about selling it back (I'll rebuy at 10p or get the new horse).  It's time to move on to T6 and bigger/better things.  It is a status item, for sure, but the price is out of the the realm of most players.  Since the DoF expansion, SOE rightfully has seen the imbalance of charging too high a price on housing and carpets/steeds and thus they are lowering it.  Good for them.  I made my 60p tradeskilling, and spent alot of hours doing it and grinding writs, but good grief, it was pure tedium.  I think making guild lvl 30 is hard enough without making players spend a fortune for something that is only 8% faster. <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Cierkzo</DIV> <DIV>Lavastorm</DIV><p>Message Edited by Big Al on <span class=date_text>11-03-2005</span> <span class=time_text>02:43 PM</span>

[Finora]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Vicious wrote:<BR> <DIV>The new cost for the Spirit Steed and Carpet don't make sense.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>10pp and 250k status for a 48% horse/carpet =/= 14pp 40% Armored Horse</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>I think the Spirit Steed should at least be around 15pp if that's what SOE wants to do. It might also be wise to say if they're going to add new 56% speed horse and armored variants.</DIV><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE> <P><BR>You are forgetting that the armored horses increases stats. Which is  MUCH more important than 8% more speed, and as such should cost more. </P> <P>Anyone who puts in the effort can get a spirit horse or carpet on live now. The new prices just mean it will take a little less effort.</P> <P>A few weeks back when the armored horses were first added there was a thread where the people with the carpets and spirit horses were complaining about how low the prices were for the armored horses and how the stats were better than the 8% speed. How they felt like they wasted their money and wanted to be able to sell them back and get the new armored one and how it wasn't even really a status symbol anymore because people just thought they were dumb for spending so much money on 8% more speed. </P> <P>What a turn around a few weeks and the price change actually coming through makes.  Make up your minds.</P> <P>I for one say hurray. Though I think the armored horses should be 20p and the spirit/carpets should at least 15, and more status. Even leave them at the 10p and make it cost more status. Status bought mount should cost a LOT of status IMO. 250k my level 20 alt has that much, though she's certainly lacking the 10p.</P> <P> </P> <p>Message Edited by Calendri on <span class=date_text>11-03-2005</span> <span class=time_text>05:55 PM</span>

[Minion]

<DIV>Sean Leclaire</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>I have snuck into FP to buy status items before... and my friend bought the FP spirit steed (from qeynos)</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>At some point between then and now... Something has happened</DIV> <DIV>I brought somebody to invis me... and the stablehands will not do business with me... and the same with the status merchants</DIV>

[Sean Leclair]

:smileysad: well damnit, i guess 50 is better then none.

[Minion]

<DIV>Can a FP person on Live... please post a screenshot of this 58p sellback?</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Its not that I dont beleive the people saying FP stable hands offer more.... ok well... Yes I dont beleive you lol</DIV> <DIV>I just am confused what to do... I mean we are talking about 8p difference.... I will be so [Removed for Content] If I sell mine for 50 and then find out I coulda got 58</DIV><p>Message Edited by MinionTA on <span class=date_text>11-03-2005</span> <span class=time_text>11:40 PM</span>

[Druzgotek]

<DIV>My one friend's maj'dul enchanted scroll sold back for 58p, 33g, 33s, 31c in west freeport.</DIV> <DIV>But my another friend only was getting 41p something for the undead mount and 50p something from the other npc in west fp.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>So not sure how that works, if only for carpets, or for both, or shrug. All I know the first friend is very happy. He is sure he tried that exact npc before and the sellback price was only 41pp something.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>This was on live.</DIV>

[WhiteDiamo]

<P>one of my friends sold back his carpet for 58p, 33g, 33s, 31c in WFP  to the stable hand that runs around.</P> <P>however when i went to check the sell back price on my undead mount at the same npc.</P> <P>41pp, 66g, 66s, 65c,  750k status</P> <P>and the other one was </P> <P>50pp, 750k status</P> <P>so taht leads me to believe SOE screw up some how -- did they mean to make all sell back 58pp and didn't  </P> <P>or did they screw up and make sell back of carpet 58pp vs 50 pp </P> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>o yea -- i would like to add -- i want all of my 60 pp back --  but would settle for 58pp</DIV><p>Message Edited by WhiteDiamond on <span class=date_text>11-04-2005</span> <span class=time_text>07:11 AM</span>

[Naggyba]

You have gotten to use that carpet/horse all this time and one of a very few that did have it so, you should loose some money for a used horse. Maybe not 19pp but not 2pp either.<p>Message Edited by Naggybait on <span class=date_text>11-04-2005</span> <span class=time_text>11:49 AM</span>

[aznctguy00]

I still don't get the 50pp qeynos sellback price vs the 58pp FP sellback price. Was it intended to make it sell back for 58pp? Or is that what they are changing it to with the next LU? I still don't know whether to sell (since I'm qeynos) before or after the LU. <div></div>

[Minion]

<DIV>Naggy..  Some people have only had theirs for a few weeks... Not to mention the fact that we are not doing this because we want to... The game is making us sell it</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>If you just bought a new set of armor (end game, never needing replacing)... and 1 week later they made you sell it.. would you want a huge loss or a full refund?</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>We should get a full refund...</DIV>

[Dymus]

<DIV>Just to clarify the information on the mounts:</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Any player who has the older version of either the flying carpet or the spirit steed can examine the summoning item to receive instructions on where to take this item.  </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>It says specifically:</DIV> <DIV>This is an older version of the spirit steed mount (or flying carpet mount).  The price has changed and you may sell this one to Stable Boy Pachomius in West Freeport or Stable Hand Marcellun Iver in South Qeynos for a refund on the status points spent and a partial refund on the money spent to originally purchase it.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>These are the only two merchants who will offer the special price.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>The sellback prices (for both merchants) are:  58p, 33g, 33s, 31c and 750000 SP.  This is better than the 40-50 platinum most other merchants will buy this item back for.  </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>The only mounts sold by the merchants now are the lower priced ones.  The new mount summoners do not have the examine description on them.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>This will take effect on live servers after the update.  I advise anyone to not sell their mount on a live server until they see the description on their previously purchased mount appear upon examine of the summoning inventory item.</DIV><p>Message Edited by Dymus on <span class=date_text>11-04-2005</span> <span class=time_text>03:34 PM</span>

[Vorlak]

<P>**REMOVED INAPPROPRIATE POST**</FONT></P><p>Message Edited by Raijinn Thunderguard on <span class=date_text>11-07-2005</span> <span class=time_text>11:02 AM</span>

[Dasein]

<DIV> </DIV>As opposed to WoW, where the players get to vote on development decisions?<p>Message Edited by Raijinn Thunderguard on <span class=date_text>11-07-2005</span> <span class=time_text>11:02 AM</span>

[Minion]

<DIV>Thank you <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /></DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>I am very happy for a responce... I was very confused as to what to do and you have helped tremendously <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /></DIV>

[pootski]

<span><blockquote><hr>Vorlak wrote:Welcome to Everquest2 where the players are the hands of the merciless dictator Hitler err Sony. <div></div><hr></blockquote>Your mommy wants her computer back and for you to please do your homework!!</span><div></div>

[Bad_Mojo]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Vorlak wrote:<BR>Welcome to Everquest2 where the players are the hands of the merciless dictator Hitler err Sony. <BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE> <P><BR>Sooo... by essentially setting up so that those that bought the higher priced older mounts did so for a total cost of under 2pp and NO status after sellback, SOE is compared to Hitler?</P> <P>Seems to me that depending on when they purchsed it in the long run they may have gotten a STEAL, they have had the fastest player mounts in the game and in the end will have ended up paying less than the cost of a Tier 2 mount... Sounds like a sweet rental deal to me.</P> <P>Yeah, SOE really sucks for this one <insert much needed rolling eyes smilie here></P>

[ironman2000]

<P>**REMOVED FLAME BAIT**</FONT></P><p>Message Edited by Raijinn Thunderguard on <span class=date_text>11-07-2005</span> <span class=time_text>10:44 AM</span>

[wullailhuit]

<span><blockquote><hr>Redlance wrote:<div></div>All I can say is no freakin' way! After 1 year of playing I am FInally able to just now buy a spirit steed and they about to change it to 10 plat and 250k status? listen SoE, your loyal base customers need a few perks to make them feel nice and look distinguishable. You are about to hand one of the few things left, aside from top end status housing to the average Joe Blow. Halve the [expletive haxx0red by Raijinn] price, but for goodness sake dont let it go live at 10 plat! Nothing against the causal player, heck in most senses I am a causal player but letting Johnny Reb who's been playing for 1-2 months, is in a lvl 30 guild, and has no real idea what it's like to want something so bad for so long and then have it practically handed to him it's just not right. 'Nuff said, I will say no more.<hr></blockquote> The carpet/steed are (and always should have been) rewards for getting your guild to level 30 , not a reward for being able to buy/save 60pp. </span><div></div>

[black_cap]

I'm curious, if the price for lvl 30 carpet/steed are going way down, are the prior steed prices going to go down as well? <div></div>

[Bad_Mojo]

<DIV><BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> black_cap wrote:<BR>I'm curious, if the price for lvl 30 carpet/steed are going way down, are the prior steed prices going to go down as well?<BR> <BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE><BR>I can't say for sure, but from what I've read it looks like the other prices are staying the same... Just the spirit/carpet cost is coming down to place it between the regular mounts and the new Maj'dul mounts.</DIV>

[HolyAvengerOne]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Dymus wrote:<BR> <DIV>Just to clarify the information on the mounts:</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Any player who has the older version of either the flying carpet or the spirit steed can examine the summoning item to receive instructions on where to take this item. </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>It says specifically:</DIV> <DIV>This is an older version of the spirit steed mount (or flying carpet mount).  The price has changed and you may sell this one to Stable Boy Pachomius in West Freeport or Stable Hand Marcellun Iver in South Qeynos for a refund on the status points spent and a partial refund on the money spent to originally purchase it.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>These are the only two merchants who will offer the special price.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>The sellback prices (for both merchants) are:  58p, 33g, 33s, 31c and 750000 SP.  This is better than the 40-50 platinum most other merchants will buy this item back for. </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>The only mounts sold by the merchants now are the lower priced ones.  The new mount summoners do not have the examine description on them.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>This will take effect on live servers after the update.  I advise anyone to not sell their mount on a live server until they see the description on their previously purchased mount appear upon examine of the summoning inventory item.</DIV> <P>Message Edited by Dymus on <SPAN class=date_text>11-04-2005</SPAN><SPAN class=time_text>03:34 PM</SPAN><BR></P> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE> <DIV><FONT color=#339900>Outstanding news, thank you very much, sir.</FONT></DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV><FONT color=#339900>I would like to know what triggered the decision to make these mounts more widely availlable. IMHO, it should always have been at that price, I kinda think 50pp and near to a million status is an outrageous price <img src="/smilies/8a80c6485cd926be453217d59a84a888.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /></FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT color=#339900></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT color=#339900>Your take on this ?</FONT></DIV>

[Naggyba]

Less than 2pp loss for MONTHS of use and prestige? WOW, that sucks. They should loose at least 10pp for the use all this time and prestige of owning one. At least, 5pp loss.<p>Message Edited by Naggybait on <span class=date_text>11-05-2005</span> <span class=time_text>02:01 PM</span>

[Nere]

The original prices were ridiculous .. good job SOE on this change.

[Big]

Naggybait, would you like some cheese with that whine?  Please, why do you care about the fact that people that owned in can get their money back?

[Naggyba]

It's not a whine at all. Just a simple fact in how I believe something should be. The whine was coming from those that got to buy and use the carpet/horses all this time and whining about the sellback price. They are the ones you should be asking if they want some cheese.While I thought 41 was too low, 58 is too high.Why do I care? I care about all aspects of the game and giving someone a carpet/horse to use for months on end for less than 2pp is dumbing down the game.Like everyone else here, that is just my opinion though. If you want to whine about people whinning, as you call it, simply because they feel something is out of whack, then that's your right also.<p>Message Edited by Naggybait on <span class=date_text>11-05-2005</span> <span class=time_text>07:08 PM</span>

[TheDepu]

<P>Thank you for the official response. One additional question that may effect the re-purchase of mounts for many players. If you are no longer in a 30+ guild will your character be flagged so that you may re-purchase your mount at the new prices?</P> <P> </P>

[Redlan]

While getting a guild to lvl 30 is an accomplishment in many cases it is not the once a week player who helped i tget to 30 and a lot of people can just join such a guild with no difficulty. My guild had just under 400 members at lvl 29. We are now 765 in the 5 weeks we have been lvl 30. Hmmm. Yes steeds and carpets are meant for a perk for lvl 30+ guild but I guess there will always be a way they will let the easy-rider player enjoy exactly everything the more deovted players do, next up - fabled loot in a box! And I say it's about time cause I aint got none!

[VizP]

Looks like your guild isnt exactly very selective is it? Our Guild is lvl 33 but at present you need to be vouched for by 'two' existing members and then you must for a few weeks continue to play and climb up the ranks until you reach a point where you can start usnig your status points. So in this case if you didnt know any guild members, you would first have to group with them and then once in guild continue to at least socialise and be 'involved' some way. If those 300 more people in your guild are doing all of this fair enough but I doubt it <img src="/smilies/8a80c6485cd926be453217d59a84a888.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /> <div></div>

[Guri1000]

<DIV>You know I could care less either way about the carpets/steeds, they could leave as is or change.  I personally thought that they were way overpriced for something so non essential to game play.  I amazed after reading this post of how many whiny biotches there are on both sides of this issue.  You would think the world is going to end for some of you.  My suggestion is that since I believe sony is being pretty reasonable about at least giving money/status back that everyone on here that whined like a little [Removed for Content] should be flagged by sony and turn their character into an elephant with a clown suit on so we can all harass you for a couple weeks.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>One thing of note, alot of you whiners are too chicken [expletive haxx0red by Raijinn] to leave your names on here.  Hmmm I wonder why.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Daybreaker 54 Dirge <OMEN></DIV>

[Minion]

<P>Guri1000</P> <P> </P> <P>I would guess some do not leave their in-game name because we are not all big internet tough guys who throw out mispelled curses to make us feel cool</P> <P>What do you think?</P>

[Bad_Mojo]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Guri1000 wrote:<BR> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>One thing of note, alot of you whiners are too chicken [expletive haxx0red by Raijinn] to leave your names on here.  Hmmm I wonder why.</DIV> <BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE><BR> <DIV>What are you going to do, hunt them down in game and beat them up?</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>What an e-Thug :rolleyes:</DIV>

[Neen]

<P>Since the carpet and steed is a status symbol why not double the amount of status points needed along with the cut in price. It will be a ton of work and will benefit the guild as well. So not everyone but the dedicated (yeah sounds lame heh) will be able to glide around! Face it, 750k status points is NOT hard to obtain it's the plat!And the time spent out there harvesting the rares to obtain it (boring) could be spent gaining xp and status for your guild, not to mention actually getting to play with your friends :smileywink:</P> <DIV>After all it's a GUILD reward</DIV>

[Sean Leclair]

<DIV><BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Neenax wrote:<BR> <P>Since the carpet and steed is a status symbol why not double the amount of status points needed along with the cut in price. It will be a ton of work and will benefit the guild as well. So not everyone but the dedicated (yeah sounds lame heh) will be able to glide around! Face it, 750k status points is NOT hard to obtain it's the plat!And the time spent out there harvesting the rares to obtain it (boring) could be spent gaining xp and status for your guild, not to mention actually getting to play with your friends :smileywink:</P> <DIV>After all it's a GUILD reward</DIV><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE>acctually thats a really good idea, that way anybody whos done the first like 4 heritage and managed to scrounge up 10 plat cant get it. make it seem more like a reward that way. 250k is just to low but 10 plat is fair enough. oi though im still sellin mine since theres like 5 lvl 30 guilds on my small station exchange server, so at the moment im the only one ive ever seen with the spectral servant,  and once LU # 16 goes live there will be alot more and it wont be as special to me. ohwell though not like it makes it so i can hit harder or tank better.<BR></DIV>

[TheDepu]

Did this hit the live servers in the update? I did check the vendors and the only change I got was the stabe hand that used to buy back for 50pp will no longer sell or buy at all. Any ETA on this change?

[Big]

The change went live.  Just sell the carpet/steed back to the main guy there in SQ that sells regular mounts.  I got the 58p 33g, etc. amount plus all the status.

[Naggyba]

Examine hte carpet/whistle and it tells you who to sell back to.

[WhiteDiamo]

<DIV>they haven't changed the Freeport - undead mount yet  --  </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>it sell back to vendor for 50pp or 41pp </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>and u can buy it from vendor for 60pp and 750k sp --</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>when u example it -- doesn't give any details on who or where to sell back --</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>i think SOE  forgot again </DIV>

[ironman2000]

and Raijinn Thunderguard removed my post as Flamebait, sheesh, you all need to get over yourselves, you are only losing like what? 2 plat? and its a prestige thing for getting your guild to level 30, some of us are still trying to do that, and Raijinn my previous post wasn't anymore inflamitory than any other on this topic, you just can't HANDLE THE TRUTH

[Jai1]

<DIV>I dont know how anyone could spend 60p on an 8% difference.  Although I did buy the Bard speed horse from EQ1, I think it was a little bit faster than the horse speed we get in EQ2.</DIV>

[MisguidedAngel]

Someone please post an update on whether the Undead Mount or Carpet were reduced in price. I'm also still seeing 60 plat, 750k status -- what happened here?

[Big]

After I sold my carpet for the near 60p value, I went to the SQ mage tower and purchased the new one for 10p 80g and 337,500 status.  It seems the DEV's listened about the need for increased status costs.