SOGA Models : Before and After [Image Intensive Post]

[EtoilePirate]

I thought I'd go take some photos of NPCs so people could see some Before & After shots of the models. I don't really have Qeynos toons, and it was raining in Freeport today, and I have serious trouble getting female models to show (toggling their SOGA model doesn't always help), so I actually only have five pictures.  But I figure, anyone else can go take screenies and post them to this thread too. The lousy color on these is mostly because of the fog and rain in Freeport.  Stupid weather. <img src="http://etoilepb.com/eq2/SOGA_Erudite.jpg"> <img src="http://etoilepb.com/eq2/SOGA_darkelf.jpg"> <img src="http://etoilepb.com/eq2/SOGA_darkelf_female.jpg"> <img src="http://etoilepb.com/eq2/SOGA_human.jpg"> <img src="http://etoilepb.com/eq2/SOGA_ogre.jpg"> <p></p>

[Salmastryon]

<div></div><div></div><p></p><p></p><p><font color="#ffff00">Images removed now that SOGA has gone live.</font> </p> <p>Message Edited by Salmastryon on <span class="date_text">10-27-2005</span> <span class="time_text">03:38 PM</span></p> <p>Message Edited by Salmastryon on <span class="date_text">10-27-2005</span> <span class="time_text">05:38 PM</span></p><p>Message Edited by Salmastryon on <span class="date_text">10-28-2005</span> <span class="time_text">08:39 AM</span></p><p>Message Edited by Salmastryon on <span class=date_text>11-10-2005</span> <span class=time_text>10:24 AM</span>

[OlaeviaTraisharan]

<P></P>Good. The humans don't look like they have an extra chromosome anymore <img src="/smilies/8a80c6485cd926be453217d59a84a888.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />

[Quicksilver74]

<P>Crap, Ogres don't look quite so ugly anymore.   Thats a shame, I pride myself on my ugliness!</P>

[Ironmeow]

<P>thats cool ,i can see myself turning this feature on and off constantly to avoid the repetativeness</P>

[VizP]

I have to say while I really liked the old models, the new models just seem to have that extra polish.. they seem much more appealing to the eye and seem to be more artistic. There were just some that bothered me from the old pictures (such as the new halfling no longer looking like the old EQ halfling and female dwarves having pointy ears?). But we'll have to see.. good to pick and choose. <p></p>

[Rallan007]

<P>Yeah some models look really nice, but some look really nasty, too skinny bodies, skin drawn to tight etc. I notice that 95% of the screenshots posted are of the ok - nice looking ones and not the nasty awful looking ones hehe.</P>

[Aristotel]

<P>Ok it's my opinion but these new models are way to cartoony(poor dwarfs and erudits <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /> ), they don't suit in the eq2 world. Moorgard mentioned also this:</P> <P><A href="http://eqiiforums.station.sony.com/eq2/board/message?board.id=testfeed&message.id=31374" target=_blank>http://eqiiforums.station.sony.com/eq2/board/message?board.id=testfeed&message.id=31374</A></P> <P> </P>

[Wargod1968]

<P>SOGA ogre is NOT an ogre, its a Klingon.  Boo.  I'll keep my ugly ogre the way Rallos Zek intended!</P> <P>I don't think the SOGA are bad, but for the most part, I'm keeping my models original, with one exception: Humans. The SOGA humans look lightyears better than the current models. I like them.</P> <P>On a side note, what's up with the Kate Moss ultra-skinny necks and legs on the SOGA females?  </P> <P></P>

[Snoco]

<P>Look how skinny the dwarf broad is. That is beyond stupid. Give that girl a leg of mutton or somethin'. Was her dad a ratonga?</P> <P></P>

[Barq Bandit]

<DIV>necks on the human and elven girls seem a bit too thin to support those big heads...  don't much care for the fact that female dwarves and gnomes look pretty much the same here...</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>i dunno.  i'll have to try them out and see for myself.  so hard to tell what's going to look good until you've actually seen the finished product in motion.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <P></P>

[Finora]

<P></P><BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> OlaeviaTraisharan wrote:<BR> <P></P>Good. The humans don't look like they have an extra chromosome anymore <img src="/smilies/8a80c6485cd926be453217d59a84a888.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE> <P><BR>/snort</P> <P>Looks like a cheap Barbie knockoff got loose and posed for some photos.</P> <P>I don't really like the old human females (even though I play one) but these are sub-par. Luclin models would have looked better hehe.</P> <P> </P>

[Salmastryon]

Added some more. <p></p>

[Rijacki]

Skinny halflings?  Skinny dwarves are bad enough, but skinny halflings? <p></p>

[salerene]

<P>If these are an example of the SOGA models I'll stick to the old ones personally. The gnome female is OK, </P> <P>but thats about it. Never could understand why they are changing them anyway. I just want to be able to </P> <P>change hair color and style from time to time.</P>

[SmEaGoLLuM]

<P></P>In my opinon the only races' features I don't like in the current models are the humans and occasionally the wood elf males :smileyhappy: The SOGA human model is definitely better than the current version but I prefer the rest in their original form.<p>Message Edited by SmEaGoLLuM86 on <span class=date_text>10-28-2005</span> <span class=time_text>12:37 PM</span>

[Dovifat]

The new models look more polished for the most part. They are also somewhat cartoonish though, something i'm not particularly fond of. Many of those haircuts are beyond fugly as well. I'll probably stick to the old models for now. <p></p>

[Code2501]

<P></P> <HR> <P>Look how skinny the dwarf broad is. That is beyond stupid. Give that girl a leg of mutton or somethin'. Was her dad a ratonga?</P> <P></P> <HR> <P>Soga models are designed for an asian market. Asia, unlike some regions EQ2 was sold in, do not have a disproportionately obese population.</P> <P></P>

[Alevyan]

That was easily the stupidest comment made in this entire thread. The EQ2 dwarves, like pretty much 90% of the racial design in EQ2 is based off TOLKIEN LORE. And according to the ways of TOLKIEN, Dwarves are as they are because their shorter, stumpier bodies are better equipped to deal with cold, and harsh environments. Short story: Dwarves are dwarves, they're not fat. <p></p>

[EtoilePirate]

<span><blockquote><hr>Code2501 wrote:<p></p> <hr> <p>Look how skinny the dwarf broad is. That is beyond stupid. Give that girl a leg of mutton or somethin'. Was her dad a ratonga?</p> <p></p> <hr> <p>Soga models are designed for an asian market. Asia, unlike some regions EQ2 was sold in, do not have a disproportionately obese population.</p> <p></p><hr></blockquote> Wow.  Just... wow. For the record, there's a rather large variety of body types between "really should get gastric bypass" and "really should see someone about that anorexia."  Neither is healthy, and neither, generally, is something people want to see in a game. Legs really ought to have enough mass in order to have the muscles in them that will connect the hip to the knee and, y'know, make that whole moveable appendage thing work.  And that hardly wualifies as obesity.  Even if you take a really, really broad view (no pun intended) of "obese."</span><p></p>

[Pallaton]

<P></P> <P></P><BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Code2501 wrote:<BR> <P></P> <HR> <P>Look how skinny the dwarf broad is. That is beyond stupid. Give that girl a leg of mutton or somethin'. Was her dad a ratonga?</P> <P></P> <HR> <P>Soga models are designed for an asian market. Asia, unlike some regions EQ2 was sold in, do not have a disproportionately obese population.</P> <P></P><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE> <P><BR>So.. I guess that means American players just want a stumpier version b/c it means we loves our fat butts and want to play them in a game huh? And since when did stumpy mean fat anyway.. at least when talking about dwarves?</P> <P>Don't try to do that subtle "clever" crap when you're talking about someone or somewhere. Just come out and say it. [Removed for Content] isn't a title you should want.</P> <P>Anyway.... Although I do like stumpier looking dwarves (not the EQ2 dwarves we have already.. they're just ugly)... I think the SOGA model ones look pretty nice even though the females don't really look all that dwarf-y <img src="/smilies/69934afc394145350659cd7add244ca9.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /></P> <P></P> <P>Message Edited by PallatonEQ on <SPAN class=date_text>10-27-2005</SPAN> <SPAN class=time_text>11:17 PM</SPAN></P><p>Message Edited by PallatonEQ on <span class=date_text>10-27-2005</span> <span class=time_text>11:25 PM</span>

[Feaw]

<P></P> <P>Spent last night and tonight going over the soga models, played with character creation utility and both genders.   A few of the male models Ill use but the rest have more issues to me than they solved.   the posture of every female character and the way they move is ... just weird.    The models are very limited but I expected that.    They do look a little strange next to the regular models.   I honestly dont see how they look more polished unless the way I use the word polish is just different that some.   They have less details, no shadows, less 3 dimensional looking.  To me they just look more simple.    The males do look better but then again they all look like 16 year old boys.    Its interesting Ill say that.   Try out blending the hair colors btw, they dont streak but rather blend so you can get some interesting odd colors.</P> <P> </P> <P> </P> <P> </P>

[Feaw]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> PallatonEQ wrote:<BR> <P></P><BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Code2501 wrote:<BR> <P></P> <HR> <P>Look how skinny the dwarf broad is. That is beyond stupid. Give that girl a leg of mutton or somethin'. Was her dad a ratonga?</P> <P></P> <HR> <P>Soga models are designed for an asian market. Asia, unlike some regions EQ2 was sold in, do not have a disproportionately obese population.</P> <P></P><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE> <P><BR>So.. I guess that means American players just want a stumpier version b/c it means we loves our fat butts and want to play them in a game huh? And since when did stumpy mean fat anyway?</P> <P>Don't try to do that subtle "clever" crap when you're talking about someone or somewhere. Just come out and say it. [Removed for Content] isn't a title you should want.</P> <P>Anyway.... Although I do like stumpier looking dwarves (not the EQ2 dwarves we have already.. they're just ugly)... I think the SOGA model ones look pretty nice even though the females don't really look all that dwarf-y <img src="/smilies/69934afc394145350659cd7add244ca9.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /></P> <P></P> <P>Message Edited by PallatonEQ on <SPAN class=date_text>10-27-2005</SPAN> <SPAN class=time_text>11:17 PM</SPAN><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE><BR> <P> </P> <P>The barbarian femals still have fat bottoms and wide hips in the soga models ... I checked.   </P> <P> </P> <P> </P> <P> </P>

[Pallaton]

<P>Oh yeah.... barbarian females definetly have the big bottoms. Doesn't help that it sorta pokes out when they run and shows through the skirt <img src="/smilies/69934afc394145350659cd7add244ca9.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /></P> <P> </P> <P>And I like the hair blending thing. It gives us ALOT more options in hair color.</P> <P></P>

[Zapo]

<P></P> <P>Guess everyone has his own oppinion about the new look, so here is mine. <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /></P> <P>Dwarves: Very,very bad. The face is quite ok, but the body looks like a halfling body. What happened to his chest and arms ? No way I will ever transform my proud dwarf into that.</P> <P>Ogres: Bad too. The old ogres are ugly, and that's how they should be. New ogres just look like handsome barbarians with two strange teeth.</P> <P>All Elves: Look more like vampires than elves. Don't like it either.</P> <P>All in all the asian style is quite obvious. Played a free week on Lineage 2 once and those models definately remind me of those. I have to admit that many of those human like classes look quite ok.</P> <P>Anthur</P> <P>P.S. Someone at SOE is mesing around with linefeeds. <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /></P> <P></P> <P>Message Edited by Anthur on <SPAN class=date_text>10-27-2005</SPAN> <SPAN class=time_text>11:58 PM</SPAN></P><p>Message Edited by Anthur on <span class=date_text>10-28-2005</span> <span class=time_text>02:19 AM</span>

[xxArcane]

<P></P> <P>Most of the models look "ok". But I want to be the one that decides which model people see me as, not the other way around. If I were an Ogre then I would be [Removed for Content] that everyone saw me as a romulan, I would want to keep my OGRE appearance. I'm an erudite and the changes , from what I can tell, don't seem that different, but still!</P><p>Message Edited by xxArcanexx on <span class=date_text>10-28-2005</span> <span class=time_text>01:18 AM</span>

[Salmastryon]

I just added High Elf male and Female, Gnome Male and Halfling Female.  Any particular race/gender out of what is left people want to see first? <div></div>

[Terabethia]

<P>Some of them I like the new model better, but most I don't. This was probably stated somewhere, but can you choose which models you want to see in SOGA and which you don't? Or do you just turn them all on and off?</P> <P>Anyways, only 1 real thing to say? Why in the world does the new ogre model look like the Hulk?? That is just disturbing!!</P> <P>EDIT: Oh, 1 more thing to say... Why do the poor halflings look like little kids now <img src="/smilies/9d71f0541cff0a302a0309c5079e8dee.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /></P> <p>Message Edited by Terabethia on <span class=date_text>10-28-2005</span> <span class=time_text>06:47 AM</span>

[Jiwi]

<P>How do these new models effect game FPS?  Do they render faster/slower?  Are they better optimized?  </P> <P> </P> <P>Thanks!</P> <P> </P>

[beylanu]

SOGA halflings are awful! Before they look like small people, now they look like malnourished children.  Also agree with the ogre klingon comment.  In fact that was the first thing I was thinking when I saw the ogre changes...Klingon!!  Why does everyone look so upset?  What's with the obsession with everyone having a bad day, month, year?  I never did like how qeynos was all shiny happy, but have we taken a complete 180 degree turn?  I mean even when I'm upset I don't go around making sure everyone gets a frownie from me.The only race that I think took a turn for the better is human.  I would really have rathered they work on improving and refining the current models than putting in newer models.   Also could this time have been better spent improving look and variety of armor/clothes?  I don't know if this is a "different" team or not...well that's my gripe for this update..I'll shut up now.<div></div>

[Rijacki]

I would -much- rather see the SOGA stuff as additional customisation options to the current character models.  I would love to have more hair styles without going to the heroine addict look.  I would love to be able to extend ear tips to long long, without being required to look constipated or perpetually [Removed for Content] off.  I would very much even like to have the ability to tip the "body weight" from the SOGA extreme skinny famine victim look to even heavier than in the current models (someone might want a fat, jolly, enchanter, why shouldn't they have that option if those who like the waif look get that).  I also want, like many others, to control how others see my character, not just by being forced to customise twice and hope I can find something in the other model that isn't too "offensive" (i.e. the klingon ogres vs the "normal" ogres), but with ONE customisation which I can fine tune (and for people to actually be able to see the effects of the customisation sliders in-game...). I wonder, though, what adding the SOGA models means to having -any- additional armors, robes, and clothes.  Their excuse now for why it has taken so long to add anything (other than some bad colour changes) has been the need to make everything useable and scalable for every race.... how many more models does SOGA add that have to have each addition "work" with?  The item looks we have now are most likely going to be "it" except for -maybe- some tints and texture overlays, but I wouldn't even expect that, at this point. In the cry for more customisation options we get SOGA.... and our customisation options (the number of options, not just the ability to customise the character in-game or switch your own view from SOGA to non) not only for now but in the future, too get butchered into oblivion.   <div></div>

[Skha]

I like the ogre look.... reminds me of Street Fighter <div></div>

[Snoco]

<P>Best point made yet, Rijaki. Why not give us these 2 options, and all the grey area in between. Then you would be able to truly see custom characters. I remember way back before release they were talking about how you would be able to spot your friends with names turned off because people would look so unique. So few armor variations has made this invalid.</P> <P>One more thing...</P> <P>Where the $^#^*%&( are the trolls!!! No love for us as usual.</P>

[chessdemon]

Dying to know if, when they get around to Kerra, how the Kerra females are gonna look. Anybody wanna place bets they look like humans with cat-ears, tails, big busts and skimpy outfits? <div></div>

[Naggyba]

From what I hear, they aren't doing the other races that are missing. They feel as if they are nice enough as they are.

[Salmastryon]

TheSOGA models are just an extra for us in Europe and the USA.  They are created by SOGA the company marketing EQ2 for the asian audience and it has been stated the limited cutomizability on the models is on purpose.   From what I understand the developers at SOE won't be doing any coding on the SOGA models other than UI interface for switching between the two.  In a different thread, they've already stated that all the art and animation bugs for the SOGA models will be fixed by SOGA developers.  Also, SOGA isn't planning on doing new models for the froglocks, ratonga, trolls, iksar or kierra. I got mixed feelings on the models myself.  I'm going to wait until the models are fully implemented before I make final judgements. <div></div>

[chessdemon]

Eh, works for me. We Kerra ARE nice enough as we are <img src="/smilies/8a80c6485cd926be453217d59a84a888.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /> <div></div>

[EtoilePirate]

<span><blockquote><hr>Terabethia wrote:<div></div> <p>Some of them I like the new model better, but most I don't. This was probably stated somewhere, but can you choose which models you want to see in SOGA and which you don't? Or do you just turn them all on and off?</p> <p>Anyways, only 1 real thing to say? Why in the world does the new ogre model look like the Hulk?? That is just disturbing!!</p> <p>EDIT: Oh, 1 more thing to say... Why do the poor halflings look like little kids now <img src="/smilies/9d71f0541cff0a302a0309c5079e8dee.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /></p> <div></div><p>Message Edited by Terabethia on <span class="date_text">10-28-2005</span> <span class="time_text">06:47 AM</span></p><hr></blockquote> Yes, you can pick.  For now, I have them all on, because I want to see how they work.  But when its finished, I will probably keep, for example, male dark elves, all dwarves, all ogres, all gnomes, and all humans turned on SOGA, and most others on their original settings.  There's a long row of tickyboxes under "SOGA Models" in "Options" now, you can select by race/gender combo.</span><div></div>

[Vobe]

<DIV>I wish, that for my character, I could use the old female dark elf model, but with the new SOGA hair styles.</DIV>

[Rijacki]

<span><blockquote><hr>Vobe wrote:<div>I wish, that for my character, I could use the old female dark elf model, but with the new SOGA hair styles.</div><hr></blockquote> *nod* I'd love to have the hairsytles and even the long ears but not the heroine-addict thin body (or the femal gnome hooked nose too large for her face).  I wish they'd just as -features- to the existing models, not completely different models.</span><div></div>

[Finora]

<DIV><BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Code2501 wrote:<BR> <P></P> <HR> <P>Look how skinny the dwarf broad is. That is beyond stupid. Give that girl a leg of mutton or somethin'. Was her dad a ratonga?</P> <P></P> <HR> <P>Soga models are designed for an asian market. Asia, unlike some regions EQ2 was sold in, do not have a disproportionately obese population.</P> <P></P><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE><BR>LOL so I suppose you really like the breast agumented, "I haven't eaten in 3 months so my hipbone stick out like coat hangers and my legs are more slender than a 5 year old's arm" look huh?</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>You don't see legs like the ones on these models outside of situations where someone has been starved either because of their living condtions or because they foolishly think that being that slender is somehow more healthy even when they have to starve to achieve it.</DIV>

[silvercloud]

<P>I can't wait for these!  Very fun!  Human females look <EM>so</EM> much better.  Female halflings too for that matter - both of their old model counterparts look like some sort of mutant Down Syndrome transvestite aliens.   I love the elf ears and hair much better too.  </P> <P>I suppose ultimately it's a very personal matter on how one chooses to portray themselves etc - I don't understand all the criticism personally.  More options = better game in my opinion.  /shrug</P> <P>Thanks for the pictures <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /></P> <P> </P> <P> </P>

[AbsentmindedMage]

Here is another before and after shot: Assistant Dreak Before: <img src="http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v312/icarus137/adc.jpg"> Assistant Dreak After: <img src="http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v312/icarus137/ads.jpg"> <div></div>

[Kadurm]

Is it just me, or does every male elf character look like every character from Inuyasha? <p>Message Edited by Kadurm on <span class=date_text>10-28-2005</span> <span class=time_text>06:04 PM</span>

[Dimgroth]

I love the SOGA models, our human models are just utter crap, and the dark elves are much improved over the chinese looking crap with funky hairstyles and mustaches, the halfings are one of the biggest improvements.  Think Lord of the Rings, the main hobbits are active, adventure, battle, are youthful looking yet not young seeming at closer look at them, theyre people of small stature with good hearts and the new ones are MUCH improved over the obese little mini human balls of butter that we get today, only baubleshire halflings should be obese, the new halflings take more of a dragonlance Kender (their version of halfling) approuch and I love it! I cant wait to make a kender like thief of my own! (well, not thief, thats just rude, they only, 'aquire' things, or hold onto them or borrow them for a bit.. ) <div></div>

[Akbars]

Ok, I have to throw in my 2 cents here because a few of you are clueless. Yes the SOGA models are very asian inspried, because why? They were intended for the asian market, created by an asian company SOGA! Hence, SOGA models....I don't like how everyone is complaining about these new OPTIONAL models SOE didn't have to bring to us in the first place. "I really don't like the look of my character in this other model that was free and I can turn off." Wahh, get over it. And if I hear the "breaks role playing" arguement again, I will stab someone in the jaw. "They are seeing my character how I didn't intend." We had to do the same thing after Luclin, just get a tampon and change your character's SOGA look to as much like your nomal character model as you can. I don't want MY options limited because I see your guy with long hair instead of a pony tail. I'll get over it, You'll get over it. They are free and optional....Get over it. <div></div>

[initoci]

<DIV>ogres look really bad as well as dark elfs(big lips) and wood elfs, i like the gnome female, and the new Erudite.<BR>i do not like the barbarian at all...whats up with her body( barbarians are muscular beings not some skiny model race).<BR><BR>dwarfs look like they lost weight, which i like.<BR>halflings look like theve been someking something all night, and whats up with the barbarian?<BR><BR>RePlAy: and whats up with the barbarian?</DIV>

[Salam]

Any pictures of the barbarian male? Did not see one <img src="/smilies/8a80c6485cd926be453217d59a84a888.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /> <div></div>

[MaNiaGG]

Would be nice if you could add a kerra male - and a female too please <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /> Can't wait <img src="/smilies/283a16da79f3aa23fe1025c96295f04f.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /> <div></div>

[Salam]

Well you will have to wait for the kerrans. No SOGA models are planned for kitties. <div></div>

[MaNiaGG]

Really? Kinda sad, but the look very good atm so it isn't that bad...although I wanted to see sth new on my little troub - but whatever <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /> <div></div>

[Psyker3]

Nooooooooooooooooooo they ruined Gnomes ! How dare sony tarnish my noble master-race !  Down with SoE for ruining Gnomekind ! <div></div>

[Salmastryon]

There are more pictures in <a href="http://eqiiforums.station.sony.com/eq2/board/message?board.id=grph&message.id=17538" target=_blank>this thread</a>. <div></div>

[Finora]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Akbarsan wrote:<BR>Ok, I have to throw in my 2 cents here because a few of you are clueless. Yes the SOGA models are very asian inspried, because why? They were intended for the asian market, created by an asian company SOGA! Hence, SOGA models....I don't like how everyone is complaining about these new OPTIONAL models SOE didn't have to bring to us in the first place. "I really don't like the look of my character in this other model that was free and I can turn off." Wahh, get over it. And if I hear the "breaks role playing" arguement again, I will stab someone in the jaw. "They are seeing my character how I didn't intend." We had to do the same thing after Luclin, just get a tampon and change your character's SOGA look to as much like your nomal character model as you can. I don't want MY options limited because I see your guy with long hair instead of a pony tail. I'll get over it, You'll get over it. They are free and optional....Get over it.<BR> <BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE> <P><BR>Well some of us aren't complaining about them because they are changing how our characters look to others or because they break role-playing etc you posted here. Some of us are complaining because they are really shoddily done. Hopefully some more of the bugs with them get fixed, because right now well... pretty graphically buggy. I doubt it though. Probably going to be released as is.  </P> <P>Their joints don't fit together properly (particuarly females). Legs and arms bend at odd angles. Guys stand around with their arms sticking out at a 30ish degree angle, possibly because they all think they are body builders? Female necks are apparently attatched to their heads directly beneath their jaw rather than in the normal spot. Female armor does not fit SOGA female models properly. Their boots look like they are a size or so too big. Obvious dead space around the shoulder socket of females. Skirts billow WAY out from those little thin legs making their rear ends look ENORMOUS and their legs look even smaller.  Hair/ears sticking out of robe hoods and helmets. Tearing on the shoulders and torso armor meshes even worse than on normal models in some cases (human female definately).</P> <P>From my other posts you can obviously see that I don't like the SOGA models, and won't be using them. I think they are pretty awful for this particular game.  But really, why would any of the people who DO like them want to just accept them the way they are currently without at least acknowledging that they are buggy. I've been playing with them on test, bugging all the things I've seen wrong with them. If you really like them and would like to play with them and not have them be extremely buggy when you get them, you should do the same.</P> <P> </P>

[BarryT]

<DIV>Some of the SOGA models have great promise, some are quite frankly a little scary. </DIV>

[Gromiff]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Anthur wrote:<BR> <P></P> <P>Guess everyone has his own oppinion about the new look, so here is mine. <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /></P> <P>Dwarves: Very,very bad. The face is quite ok, but the body looks like a halfling body. What happened to his chest and arms ? No way I will ever transform my proud dwarf into that.</P> <P>Ogres: Bad too. The old ogres are ugly, and that's how they should be. New ogres just look like handsome barbarians with two strange teeth.</P> <P>All Elves: Look more like vampires than elves. Don't like it either.</P> <P>All in all the asian style is quite obvious. Played a free week on Lineage 2 once and those models definately remind me of those. I have to admit that many of those human like classes look quite ok.</P> <P>Anthur</P> <P>P.S. Someone at SOE is mesing around with linefeeds. <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /></P> <P></P> <P>Message Edited by Anthur on <SPAN class=date_text>10-27-2005</SPAN> <SPAN class=time_text>11:58 PM</SPAN></P> <P>Message Edited by Anthur on <SPAN class=date_text>10-28-2005</SPAN> <SPAN class=time_text>02:19 AM</SPAN><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE> <P>I AGREE 100% with Anthur. Please GET RID OF THE JAPANESE ANIMATION.... OMG it's disgusting looking. That is nothing more than an eye sore to me. That is one of the biggest reasons I do not play WOW and will NEVER EVER play WOW or Final Fantasy XI or any of those games that have the Japanese Animation look to them. It looks SO FAKE Looking. Please whatever you do.... GO BACK TO THE DRAWING BOARD!!!</P> <P>Gaazzoo</P> <P>40 Wizzy / 31 Tailor <BR></P>

[Dimgroth]

lol?<div></div>

[Sulon]

<P>I enjoy the SOGA models but for a few things which I find very unfortunate: Erudite female torsos, Dark Elf ears, and the elven male torsos.</P> <P>There was just no reason to change the Erudite female's torso from what it was originally. Bring it back. It looks terrible now, like a pregnant troll crossed with a barbarian.</P> <P>The Dark Elf ears are straighter than the originals which seemed to want to curl in on themselves, but they are much too long. I would be all right with this if dragging the slider all the way down made them much smaller, but it has litterally only a pinch of difference.</P> <P>The elven male torsos seem so wide compared to the rest of their proportions. In profile, they look great, I think. From behind, they also look lovely. Yet somehow, the frontal view somehow makes it seem as if their head is out of proportion with their bodies, and I would address this by either making the shoulders narrower or the head larger. However, as I only notice this from the front, it may simply be the torso's texture fooling me into thinking it is wider than it is. It is a comparatively insignificant misgiving, anyway.</P> <P><SPAN class=time_text><STRONG>EDIT:</STRONG> I know what it is. I hate abdominal muscle definition ('six packs') when it is present on elves. I suppose that is my problem. Moving on to acquire armour.</SPAN></P><p>Message Edited by Sulonde on <span class=date_text>11-02-2005</span> <span class=time_text>08:06 PM</span>

[Gromiff]

<DIV>My Comparison thoughts:</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Dwarven female<BR><IMG src="http://vyron.twinaxis.com/images/eq2/Dwarf.jpg"><IMG src="http://vyron.twinaxis.com/images/eq2/Dwarf-soga.jpg"><BR></DIV> <DIV>The original model of Rolona looks normal, more life like. The New SOGA model of Rolona makes her look like she is strung out on Crack. Hahahaha!!!</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Please Dev's.. please tell us this is a artist's joke you are pulling on us, all and this is all just a joke. The SOGA models are wacked out looking in my opinion. How can anyone in their right mind like the new SOGA models over the original models. I know you are giving us the option to keep the original models, but I am laughing at you guys thinking to myself that you guys are going crazy or something. I am not trying to bust your bubble Dev's but it is the truth... the new SOGA models look very bad. </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV> </DIV>

[Gromiff]

<P>My Comparison thoughts:</P> <P><BR><IMG src="http://etoilepb.com/eq2/SOGA_ogre.jpg"></P> <P>No question here... If I were gona play an Ogre for sure I want the Original Model of the Ogre on the right. That is the way an Ogre is supposed to look... mean, nasty, fearful, ugly, just down right Ogre looking. Now the new SOGA (hahaha) model looks like a Barbarian dressing up for halloween trying to look like an Ogre with two fake vampire teeth sticking outa his mouth. If I played an Ogre there is no way in H-E-L-L I would want my toon to look like this, that is just plain old mean to make Ogre look more presentable.</P> <P> </P> <P> </P> <P> </P> <P> </P> <P> </P>

[Gromiff]

<P>My Comparison thoughts:</P> <P> </P> <DIV>Gnome Male<BR><IMG src="http://vyron.twinaxis.com/images/eq2/mGnome.jpg"><IMG src="http://vyron.twinaxis.com/images/eq2/mGnome-soga.jpg"></DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>The original model of the gnome is perfect, life like model of what a gnome in my mind should look like. I do like the younger looking version of the gnomes better myself, but still much more life like looking. Now the new Hahaha SOGA model looks like a miniture version of Lurch from The Adams Family... a TV show the older crowd would remember and probably think I am right on the money with that call..... You Raaannnnggg!!! Hahahaha I would much rather play the original model of a gnome over the new SOGA model any day. Thank goodness they are letting us make that choice!!!</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV> </DIV>

[sharz]

i still dont get while people are acting like its changing the characters its just a option dont like it fix it <div></div>

[silvercloud]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Gromiff wrote:<BR><BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <P> Please GET RID OF THE JAPANESE ANIMATION.... OMG it's disgusting looking. That is nothing more than an eye sore to me. That is one of the biggest reasons I do not play WOW and will NEVER EVER play WOW or Final Fantasy XI or any of those games that have the Japanese Animation look to them. It looks SO FAKE Looking. Please whatever you do.... GO BACK TO THE DRAWING BOARD!!!....</P> <P> </P></BLOCKQUOTE> <P>Gaazzoo</P> <DIV>Please Dev's.. please tell us this is a artist's joke you are pulling on us, all and this is all just a joke. The SOGA models are wacked out looking in my opinion. How can anyone in their right mind like the new SOGA models over the original models. I know you are giving us the option to keep the original models, but I am laughing at you guys thinking to myself that you guys are going crazy or something. I am not trying to bust your bubble Dev's but it is the truth... the new SOGA models look very bad. </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <P>40 Wizzy / 31 Tailor <BR></P> <BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE> <P>Gromiff~</P> <P>I know reading comprehension can be difficult, but it has been posted lots of times that these are <EM>optional</EM>.  That means if you don't like them, you don't have to use them.  Take a deep breath (and your meds) and relax.  <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /><BR></P>

[Dimgroth]

you people are making ugly soga models and complaining about them, I agree, theyre hideous, the ones you complain about <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />check out these, theyre good in my opinion,improved over the old, decent to hateful anti soga people as well im sure if youll just look beyond your stance on soga:http://eqiiforums.station.sony.com/eq2/board/message?board.id=grph&message.id=17733&view=by_date_ascending&page=3

[Naggyba]

Hehe yea, they create the ugliest models they can and then take screenshots of them and say see, look here, PROOF I have.

[Rijacki]

<span><blockquote><hr>Dimgroth wrote:you people are making ugly soga models and complaining about them, I agree, theyre hideous, the ones you complain about <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />check out these, theyre good in my opinion,improved over the old, decent to hateful anti soga people as well im sure if youll just look beyond your stance on soga:http://eqiiforums.station.sony.com/eq2/board/message?board.id=grph&message.id=17733&view=by_date_ascending&page=3<hr></blockquote> Quite a lot of the screenshots of before and afters are the NPCs.  So yeah.. they soooo went out of their way to create ugly ones *rolls eyes* For MOST the arguement is not that SOGA is or isn't "beautiful", it's that it is very much -not- their current character (that they spent time getting just so) because some options are not in SOGA at all.  Hair, accessories, normal physique, etc.</span><div></div>

[Dimgroth]

<div></div><div></div> <div></div><p>Nevermind, ill just be getting myself in circles. <span class="time_text"></span></p><p>Message Edited by Dimgroth on <span class=date_text>11-04-2005</span> <span class=time_text>01:04 PM</span>

[Naggyba]

Well, if the SOGA models look ugly to you, there is one simple fix for it. Don't choose the option to display them. Even a cave man can understand that make the choice.If the model is ugly, do not place check mark beside the OPTION.I'm not sure I can say it any simpler.<p>Message Edited by Naggybait on <span class=date_text>11-04-2005</span> <span class=time_text>05:15 PM</span>