SOGA model problems

[Salmastryon]

<div></div><div></div><div></div><div></div><div></div><div></div><div></div><div></div><div></div><div></div><div></div><div></div><p></p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p></p>Thought it might be good idea to get a thread going with all the problems we discover with the SOGA Models.<u><b>UI:</b></u>-Can't switch between SOGA models and original on creation screen <b><u>Character Creation UI:</u></b><font color="#ffffff">General:</font><font color="#ffffff"></font><font color="#ffffff">  -Hair styles in general don't correspond to names<font color="#ffffff">  </font><font color="#ffffff">-Hair color can radically change from creation screen to in game (see </font></font><font color="#ffffff"><a href="../view_profile?user.id=3522" target="_blank"><span>Vobe</span></a></font><font color="#ffffff"> </font><font color="#ffffff">'s post <a href="http://eqiiforums.station.sony.com/eq2/board/message?board.id=testfeed&message.id=31805#M31805" target="_blank">here</a> for images</font><font color="#ffffff"></font><font color="#ffffff">  -When setting one time SOGA appearance hair styles on selection screen compared to in game do not match for High Elf female, Wood Elf Male and Half Elf Male <font color="#ffff00">  -When using the Set SOGA button clicking on the catagory randomizes the choices under that catagory. Making it impossible to make slight changes.  This is also true for setting the original appearance.</font> </font> High Elf males  -there is no control for upturn or downturning the lips.  So he's got a terminal case of the frownsHalf Elf females<font color="#ffffff">  -when you slide the eye tilt towards up.. the bottom eyelashes go into the bottom lids. (see </font><font color="#ffffff"><a href="../view_profile?user.id=4580" target="_blank"><span>PallatonEQ</span></a></font><font color="#ffffff">'s post for picture)</font>Halfling Males  -facial controls have small to slight effect on cheeks and lipsHalf-Elf Male  -The chin controls have no effect on the modelBarbarian Males  -The upturned to downturn controls on lips in reality go from frown to severe frown.  They always look distgruntled and [Removed for Content] off.Gnome Males  -Accessories actually change different types of beards not glasses.<u><b>Equipment problems:</b></u>Clothes/Armor  -In general, the armor and clothes are too big for the SOGA models.     Worse offenders: Dwarven Female, Barbarian female<font color="#ffffff"> </font><font color="#ffffff">(See </font><font color="#ffffff"><a href="../view_profile?user.id=4580" target="_blank"><span>PallatonEQ</span></a></font><font color="#ffffff">'s post for pictures)</font>, High Elf Male, Dark Elf Female   Others with problem: High Elf female, Human Female and Male, Gnome females, Halfling Males, Dark Elf Male  -An exception to the above are Halfling females whose cloths/armor are sometimes too small and other times too big. o.O  -Gnome male ears clip through the hood<u><b>Art and Animation:</b></u>General  - models are not casting shadows<font color="#ffffff">  - Dark Elf, Half Elf, and Halfling male models and Ogre female have an issue with outstretched arms when standing still.  The arms are raised from their sides at an unusal 30 degree or so angle instead of being closer to the body as would naturally be. </font><font color="#ffffff">(See </font><font color="#ffffff"><a href="../view_profile?user.id=194566" target="_blank"><span>AbsentmindedMage</span></a></font><font color="#ffffff"> post for picture) <font color="#ffffff">  - Necks on models look broken particularly the females</font><font color="#ffffff"> </font><font color="#ffffff">  - The at rest position of the female models heads is not centered.  Their heads are turned about 10 degress to the left.</font><font color="#ffffff"> </font><font color="#ffffff">  - The chin and head of the model actually go into the neck when the modelis looking downa t something. (See Anjuu's post for images)</font><font color="#ffffff"> </font> </font><font color="#ffffff">Wood Elf Female </font>   - the shoulders are too small, which in turn make breasts look huge (See Anjuu's post for picture)  - bow leggedHuman Children:  - look very disturbing, like shrunken humans, not children. (see image in post below)<font color="#ffffff">Halfling male</font><font color="#ffffff"></font><font color="#ffffff">   - is not holdin fishing pole correctly</font><font color="#ffffff"></font><font color="#ffffff">Dwarf Male</font><font color="#ffffff"></font><font color="#ffff00"><font color="#ffffff">   - The drinking animation looks like he is pouring it on top of his head</font><font color="#ffffff"></font><font color="#ffffff">Gnome female</font><font color="#ffffff"></font><font color="#ffffff">   - Some SoGA models are sporting the old gnome hair style which just sorta floats over their heads. (see image in post below)<font color="#ffffff">Barbarian female</font><font color="#ffffff"></font><font color="#ffffff">   - </font></font></font><font color="#ffffff">When running the hair goes into the shirt. And when standing still, the hair still goes into it. This is probably related to problems with clothes/armor being too large. (See </font><font color="#ffffff"><a href="../view_profile?user.id=4580" target="_blank"><span>PallatonEQ</span></a></font><font color="#ffff00"><font color="#ffffff">'s post for pictures)</font><font color="#ffffff"> </font><font color="#ffffff"> Ogre female</font><font color="#ffffff"> </font><font color="#ffffff">    - During moods the right eye moves but the left eye is always stationary resulting in a lazy eye. Half Elf Female <font color="#ffff00">   - Moods create terrible distortions of the face.</font> </font> </font><u><font color="#ffff00"><b>Quest NPC problems:</b></font></u> <font color="#ffff00">   - Alexa and the Sisters in Nektulos Castle do not appear if you have SOGA models enabled.</font> This is just a start on the problems I've noticed.  I'm going to update this as I test out the models further and as people post problems they find to this thread.<b><u>Fixed:</u></b><font color="#ffff00"></font><font color="#ffffff">-to make female models appear you have to select, delselct and select again in options menu.  (this has to be done everytime you zone and seem to only effect a certain radius around your character)</font><font color="#ffffff"> </font><font color="#ffffff"> -NPCs whose hoods are just a wire mesh (image in post below removed)</font><font color="#ffffff"></font><font color="#ffffff">      Vida Sweeps in Nettleville - Human Female</font><font color="#ffffff"></font><font color="#ffffff">      Olak U'Som in Longshadow - Dark Elf male</font><font color="#ffffff"></font><font color="#ffffff">      Jezrina in Stonestair - Erudite female</font><font color="#ffffff"></font><font color="#ffffff">      Oonaloopuu in Stonestair - Erudite male</font><font color="#ffffff"></font><font color="#ffffff">      Lirosi in Stonestair - Kerran male ( I know he's not a soga model but....)</font><font color="#ffffff"></font><font color="#ffffff">      Ziyad in Stonestair - Erudite Male</font><font color="#ffffff"></font><font color="#ffffff">      Groundskeeper Greenlock in Baubbleshire - Halfling male</font><font color="#ffffff">  -female models freeze in place when you stop moving instead of comeing to a resting position.</font><font color="#ffffff"></font><font color="#ffffff">   -when you switch to female model they initially are in a position with their arms bent at a right angle at the elbow.</font><font color="#ffffff">  - when female wood elf draws and sheaths a sword she does the motion then the weapon magically appears or disappears</font><font color="#ffffff"></font><font color="#ffffff">       in her  hand.</font><font color="#ffff00"></font><font color="#ffffff">Half Elf Male</font><font color="#ffffff"></font><font color="#ffffff">   - severe deformity of face in moods (see images in post below)</font><font color="#ffffff"></font><p><font color="#ffff00">Edit: Most recent changes are in yellow. <font color="#ffffff">Older changes in cream.</font></font><span class="time_text"></span></p><p>Message Edited by Salmastryon on <span class="date_text">10-28-2005</span><span class="time_text">07:45 AM</span></p><p>Message Edited by Salmastryon on <span class="date_text">10-28-2005</span><span class="time_text">07:49 AM</span></p><p>Message Edited by Salmastryon on <span class="date_text">10-28-2005</span><span class="time_text">08:29 AM</span></p><p>Message Edited by Salmastryon on <span class="date_text">10-30-2005</span><span class="time_text">06:09 AM</span></p><p>Message Edited by Salmastryon on <span class="date_text">10-30-2005</span> <span class="time_text">06:36 AM</span></p><p>Message Edited by Salmastryon on <span class="date_text">10-30-2005</span> <span class="time_text">06:37 AM</span></p><p>Message Edited by Salmastryon on <span class="date_text">10-30-2005</span> <span class="time_text">06:43 AM</span></p><p>Message Edited by Salmastryon on <span class="date_text">10-30-2005</span> <span class="time_text">07:15 AM</span></p><p>Message Edited by Salmastryon on <span class="date_text">11-05-2005</span> <span class="time_text">08:48 AM</span></p><p>Message Edited by Salmastryon on <span class=date_text>11-13-2005</span> <span class=time_text>11:15 AM</span>

[RedRockCandy!]

<p></p>About the chin slider not doing anything... I dont think the SOGA models had this option to begin with, they are very limited in what you can change on them. I'm noticing the same thing on other models that I've mesed with. <p></p>

[Anjuu]

<P></P> <P>I took a few screenshots of some of the problems. The character is a newly-made one specifically because I wanted to see the way my toon on live would look, and my regular toon on Test has different hair and facial settings.<BR></P> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Salmastryon wrote:<BR>   -female models freeze in place when you stop moving instead of comeing to a resting position.<BR>   <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE> <P><IMG src="http://lilianna.homestead.com/files/EQ2_000000.jpg"></P> <P><BR> </P> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Salmastryon wrote:<BR>   -when you switch to female model they initially are in a position with their arms bent at a right angle at the elbow.<BR><BR> <P></P> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE> <P><IMG src="http://lilianna.homestead.com/files/EQ2_000003.jpg"><BR><BR></P> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Salmastryon wrote:<BR>   -In general, the armor and clothes are too big for the SOGA models.  <BR>      Worse offenders: Dwarven Female, Barbarian female, High Elf Male<BR><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE> <P>Look at the way the skirt poofs out over the teeny tiny legs:</P> <P><BR><IMG src="http://lilianna.homestead.com/files/EQ2_000001.jpg"></P> <P> </P> <P>In addition: the shoulders are too small, which in turn make breasts look huge:</P> <P><IMG src="http://lilianna.homestead.com/files/EQ2_000002.jpg"></P> <P> </P> <P><BR> </P>

[Salmastryon]

<span><blockquote><hr>RedRockCandy! wrote:<p></p>About the chin slider not doing anything... I dont think the SOGA models had this option to begin with, they are very limited in what you can change on them. I'm noticing the same thing on other models that I've mesed with. <p></p><hr></blockquote> I went through all the male models and the chin sliders worked except on the half elf.</span><p></p>

[SalBlu]

<P>Yuck.  </P> <P>Is that a wood elf female?  Looks ike they didnt put much time at all into anything but the face.  The legs are bowed out and pointing in different directions, the shoulders are too small compared to the rest of the body, and whats with the Dolly Parton look?</P> <P></P>

[Mishkel]

<P></P> <P>One reason the model looks like that most likely has to do with the issues listed.</P> <P>When you enter the game and enable the soga models you are now looking at your character that was modified by the old system.  You cannot change an existing character at this time so you go to make a new one.  The male models work fine... however, almost all the female models cannot be seen once you go back to "creation".</P> <P>I think there was 4 that could still be viewed.</P> <P>Even the character you had in game (if female) will not even appear if you log back in.  You have to as noted deselect then reselect that model as soga enabled.  When you go back to creation almost all the females just show a blank space and the camera goes through the floor of the creation area.  </P> <P>So until the model in the pics can be seen and modified to the soga options its not going to look like you'd want it to.    The male models seem to not have this problem and it was about 4 females that are ok maybe less.  </P> <P> </P>

[bluestocking]

<P>Eww..  that toon looks at though she's severely malnourished...  except for the fact that she shouldn't have a set of "Pamela Anderson" breasts if the malnutrition is that severe.</P> <P>*wishes that SoE would allow players to adjust the size of female characters bustlines like City of Heroes does, so just once I could play a female character that didn't look like she'd had silicone implants*</P> <P> </P>

[coldasice]

<P></P>Soga models aren't casting shadows

[HBP]

<P></P>My problem is that when I click on the options to set to SOGA models, all characters just vanish, including myself.

[Salmastryon]

<div></div>Kenneth Ashburn the boy that looked like a shrunken man: <img src="http://vyron.twinaxis.com/images/child.jpg"> Vida Sweep's wire frame hood: <font color="#ffff00">Edit: Issue fixed and image removed</font> <p></p><p>Message Edited by Salmastryon on <span class=date_text>10-28-2005</span> <span class=time_text>07:50 AM</span>

[Salmastryon]

<span><blockquote><hr>bluestocking wrote:<p>Eww..  that toon looks at though she's severely malnourished...  except for the fact that she shouldn't have a set of "Pamela Anderson" breasts if the malnutrition is that severe.</p> <p>*wishes that SoE would allow players to adjust the size of female characters bustlines like City of Heroes does, so just once I could play a female character that didn't look like she'd had silicone implants*</p> <hr></blockquote> Part of the problems with the SOGA models is the fact that the breast and leg pieces don't fit.  So the arms and head are the correct size for the model but the legs and chest (including cleevage) is still the same size of the orginal model.  My poor barbarian is an extreme example of this problem.  She goes from being big a burly female to a slight little thing.  So she looks like she is walking around in a breast palte that is  5x too large for her.  Heck, My old barb's breasts are almost the size of the soga model version's head.</span><p></p>

[Lilin_W]

<i> Human Children:    - look very disturbing, like shrunken humans, not children.</i> Has this not always been the case? /shudder <p></p>

[xphil3]

<span><blockquote> <blockquote> <hr>Anjuu wrote:   </blockquote><p>In addition: the shoulders are too small, which in turn make breasts look huge:</p> <hr></blockquote>This thread is for PROBLEMS.</span><p></p>

[Rystall]

<P></P> <P>We have a fix in the works for the frozen anims and missing female characters in Character Create and Select. </P> <P></P>

[TazmanVN]

<span><blockquote><hr>Salmastryon wrote:<p></p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p></p>Thought it might be good idea to get a thread going with all the problems we discover with the SOGA Models.<u><b> UI:</b></u> -Can't switch to SOGA models on creation screen -to make female models appear you have to select, delselct and select again in options menu.  (this has to be done everytime you zone and seem to only effect a certain radius around your character)<hr></blockquote>Glad I'm not the only one with those issues. Getting the female models to appear is a pain, when you ahve to re-select everything after you zone. I guess that's why it's on Test. <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /> -Taz</span><p></p>

[AbsentmindedMage]

<p></p>Issue with Moods and facial deformation. Half Elf Male Test <img src="http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v312/icarus137/moodhelfbug.jpg"> Happy and Tired appear fine Sad, Angry, and Afraid produce the above graphical glitches with teeth coming through face and eyes sticking out of sockets. <p>Message Edited by AbsentmindedMage on <span class=date_text>10-27-2005</span> <span class=time_text>03:05 PM</span>

[Salmastryon]

<span><span><blockquote><hr>AbsentmindedMage wrote:Issue with Moods and facial deformation. Happy and Tired appear fine Sad, Angry, and Afraid produce the above graphical glitches with teeth coming through face and eyes sticking out of sockets. <hr></blockquote></span>Which race is that. I'm still not to great at recognizing all the male races on sight.  I know the female wood elf and barn moods work ok cause I tried them on my two test characters. </span><p></p>

[Vedur]

<blockquote>Anjuu wrote:   </blockquote> <p>In addition: the shoulders are too small, which in turn make breasts look huge:</p> <hr>This thread is for PROBLEMS. <p></p>lol 5 stars there <p></p><p>Message Edited by Veduren on <span class=date_text>10-27-2005</span> <span class=time_text>02:19 PM</span>

[Vorlak]

<P>could you imagine if the player base didnt do the QA work how many people wouldnt play the game.</P> <P>I got trench I need dug, feel free to pay me $10 so you can use my shovel for the month.</P> <P></P>

[Shantee]

no matter how much i turn on and off soga models, my characters are always invisable.  I have to turn them off to see them. <p></p>

[xxArcane]

Could someone please post pics of Erudite male in the SOGA models? I wanna know how I am going to look...thanks! <P></P>

[carpe_caminus]

Aldalad also has some issues with a wire hood <a href="http://img374.imageshack.us/img374/9682/aldalad36ue.jpg" target=_blank>Screen 1</a> <a href="http://img374.imageshack.us/img374/6299/aldalad44vl.jpg" target=_blank>Screen 2</a> <p></p>

[Ndi]

<P>The Braided Hair option on practically all the males is not braided hair.</P> <P> </P> <P>I noticed on one of the elvaan races that there 2 similar looking braided styles, but both have a different name besides the Braided option.  </P>

[Rystall]

Design is renaming the hairstyles for the US version. <P></P>

[Salmastryon]

<div></div><div></div>That is good to hear. =) I've updated the list with the fixes and a few more problems people have told me about. Oops forgot to add the pict here it is: <img src="http://vyron.twinaxis.com/images/eq2/hairprob.jpg"> I don't have time to create one of each raqce and gender and try them with the different casting, combat, crafting and harvesting animations.  If those of you playing on test could do a look see and let me know any problems you find? <div></div><p>Message Edited by Salmastryon on <span class=date_text>10-28-2005</span> <span class=time_text>12:00 PM</span>

[brow27]

Wow, Byrtle there has the nose of a boxer and the chin of Jay Leno! <div></div>

[Za]

She's GOTTA be a Barbarian bruser with a face like that.

[Grumpy_Warrior_01]

...or the victim of one :smileywink:

[Finiel]

I wasn't even able to select the Soga model button in options. (This is one of the things I 'd rather they didn't do too.)

[AbsentmindedMage]

Graphical Issue * Dark Elf, Half Elf, and Halfling male models have an issue with outstretched arms when standing still.  The arms are raised from their sides at an unusal 30 degree or so angle instead of being closer to the body as would naturally be. Half Elf model but similar with dark elf and halfling <img src="http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v312/icarus137/armbug.jpg"> <div></div>

[Strade]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> AbsentmindedMage wrote:<BR>Graphical Issue<BR><BR>* Dark Elf, Half Elf, and Halfling male models have an issue with outstretched arms when standing still.  The arms are raised from their sides at an unusal 30 degree or so angle instead of being closer to the body as would naturally be.<BR><BR><BR>Half Elf model but similar with dark elf and halfling<BR><IMG src="http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v312/icarus137/armbug.jpg"><BR> <BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE><BR> <DIV>same with Dark elf male.</DIV>

[Pallaton]

<DIV>Here are some other problems for ya.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Half Elf females.. when you slide the eye tilt towards up.. the bottom eyelashes go into the bottom lids.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV><IMG src="http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v37/Shollia/EQstuff/halfelf.jpg"></DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Barbarian Female in the newbie threadbare tunic.</DIV> <DIV>It doesn't fit right on the body. Not sure if it's like this for other races since I haven't played anything really.</DIV> <DIV>I think it's like this on a few other models as well just from looking at some of the NPCs.</DIV> <DIV>The equipment doesn't fit right on the models. It's too big.</DIV> <DIV>Here's my barb gal...</DIV> <DIV><IMG src="http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v37/Shollia/EQstuff/barb1.jpg"><IMG src="http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v37/Shollia/EQstuff/barb2.jpg"></DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Here are 2 more pics of graphic messups...</DIV> <DIV>I think this might be because the armor is too big on her.</DIV> <DIV>When running the hair goes into the shirt. And when standing still, the hair still goes into it.</DIV> <DIV><IMG src="http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v37/Shollia/EQstuff/barbhair1.jpg"><IMG src="http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v37/Shollia/EQstuff/barbhair2.jpg"></DIV> <DIV> </DIV><p>Message Edited by PallatonEQ on <span class=date_text>10-28-2005</span> <span class=time_text>12:51 PM</span>

[ke'la]

<DIV>I prefure the SWG chest slider to the CoH one as they scale more naturally.</DIV>

[Magele]

<P>I see a lot of clipping with longer hair styles in the back shoulder of robes and such..through the 'cast back hood' which I always thought looked stupid when you actually had your /showhood on...that there would be two.</P> <P>the longer SOGA hair clips much more than the original models though</P> <P> </P>

[Deadly Nightshadow]

<P>I love the new SOGA Dark Elves in every way except....this......My Dark Elf looks like Clint Eastwood preparing for a gun duel......Please fix this quickly I can't stand it anymore!</P> <P><A href="http://img470.imageshack.us/my.php?image=darkelfstancecopy9hk.jpg" target=_blank>http://img470.imageshack.us/my.php?image=darkelfstancecopy9hk.jpg</A></P> <P>Sorry about the hyperlink but uploading pictures isn't working for me at the moment.</P>

[CannedBre]

I was thinking this same thing earlier. It looks like they're about to grab both six-shooters at noon. You could do a movie of it. Use '/brandish' to pull out a pistol from a 'cross draw'. <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /> <div></div>

[Salmastryon]

Updated original post.  <div></div>

[AbsentmindedMage]

Half elf mood issue has been fixed Half elf, dark elf and halfling male models still have the outstretched arms when at rest. <div></div>

[Anjuu]

<P><IMG src="http://lilianna.homestead.com/files/chin1.jpg"></P> <P>These are screenshots of a character looking at a crab directly on the ground in front of her. The head tilts so far down that her chin gets shoved into her neck and parts of the chin protrude out the back of the neck.</P> <P> </P> <P><IMG src="http://lilianna.homestead.com/files/chin3.jpg"></P> <P> </P> <DIV><IMG src="http://lilianna.homestead.com/files/chin2.jpg"></DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV> </DIV>

[Seolta]

<DIV><STRONG><FONT size=2><EM>"Barbarian Males<BR>  -The upturned to downturn controls on lips in reality go from frown to severe frown.  They always look distgruntled and [Removed for Content] off."</EM></FONT></STRONG></DIV> <DIV><FONT size=3></FONT> </DIV> <DIV>Uh....we ARE always disgruntled and [Removed for Content] off <img src="/smilies/69934afc394145350659cd7add244ca9.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /></DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>BTW the original Barb models allowed angry to neutral face at best..the SOGA models while not allowing a neutral face, add way more character than the originals IMO.<BR></DIV> <DIV>Two beefy barbarian thumbs up.</DIV>

[Salmastryon]

More updates edited in today. While I'm glad they fixed that mood bug,  I've noticed they haven't fixed the problem with the armor yet.  My barb is still running around with a barrel for a tunic and the high elf male NPCs are still swimming in their formal tunics.  Not to mention the broken neck look. *shudders* Anyrate, I'm concerned about the reports of trouble with the one time only soga model choice for existing characters.  If people could give me more details of any problems they had? <div></div>

[Madhatter]

Another that I noticed: There is no way to change the colors of erudite markings... (Randomize All before customizing anything else is a workaround) Also, I would say that it's nearly impossible to get a unique look with certain models. High elf for example.  The sliders simply do not offer enough range to make a dramatic enough difference in character creation. If at all possible, I would prefer that the sliders go slightly into the "unrealistic/ugly" range so that we might be able to make characters that are intentionally ugly in one way or another... If I wanted to make a half-elf with a huge nose.... (that he got from his ugly human mother) I think I should be able to. The SOGA bodies are better than the standard, so I prefer using them, I even like the Asian feel for the elven races.  I just dont want my guys nose/eyes/cheeks to look exaclty like every other member of his race. <div></div>

[Bloodey]

<P>half elf males have an issue with their lips, they look a bit odd and the proportions are off.</P> <P>I wont mention the gunslinger pose for the males, thats been mentioned enough already *chuckles*</P> <P>the female's proportions are way off.... please do something, give them a cookie for the love of god.</P> <P>overall I like the soga models for the male characters but the female characters defnintly need work. I plan on enabling all of the male models except ogres, but the female models I will have to leave with the origionals...either that or spend all my time feeding every female I see in the game for fear of them fainting from starvation during a hunt.   also ...gnomes need the sunglasses ~!~</P> <P> </P> <P> </P> <P>the ideal solution would be to place the soga heads on the origional bodies, that would make a great many people happy.  the hair and facial structures wtih few exceptions are a grand improvement over the origional models, unfortunaly the bodies leave something to be desired...so give the programmers a bit of clue and some scissors and paste the soga heads on the origional bodies :smileyhappy:  either that or add a slider so you can make the females a more realistic weight, similar to whats available in SWG.   </P> <P> </P> <P>thank you for your time, please keep in mind this is only my opinion. </P> <P> </P> <P>Bloodeyes</P> <P> </P> <P>FOR THE LOVE OF GOD GIVE THE WOMEN OF EQ 2 A COOKIE ! </P> <P> </P> <P> </P> <P> </P>

[Meryddian]

- Half elf females: under the nose, the tissue between the two nostrils has a dark stripe running up it, as if it were scarred up the middle and towards the left nostril. I tried changing the nose to different settings to see if it had anything to do with width, length etc but seems pretty consistent for the HE nose. - I tried a few different female models (barb, DE, half elf, wood elf) and there's little to no change in expression when changing the turn of the lips up/down <div></div>

[Meryddian]

Also noticed that when playing around with the half elf female haircolor, the model could not seem to decide <i>which</i> hair color was actually supposed to be the more predominant one, the main or secondary color. <div></div>

[Magnus The Man]

so..if you set up a SOGA appearence to your character on the log in screen...is this now what you character will look like forever..or is this an ingame option to enable SOGA and if you dont enable it  ingame..then you still appear like your original toon? <div></div>

[Wolek]

I didn't read through most of this so sorry if these are already posted. I play a half elf male. When I went to change my haircolor, it didn't work right. I put black as the base color and it looked purple. I finally clicked around enough to get it to go black. Then when I set the highlights to white, it changed my base color to white. I also noticed that when I selected to keep my original hair (the braid), it doesn't show properly. I don't have a long braid down my back like on old models. Instead it just looks like I have hair that is cut right above my shoulders. <div></div>

[Joos]

Not sure if this is an issue or not, sorry I don't have a screen shot, last night I saw a topless female woodelf could be a feature? <p>Message Edited by Joosul on <span class=date_text>11-10-2005</span> <span class=time_text>06:52 AM</span>

[Finora]

<P>The mood bug is not fixed. At least not on wood elf females. I have one and with old models I always have her /mood happy.</P> <P>Turned on SOGA just to see what she looked like with, and ECK! All kinds of strange facial deformaties after a round or two of the 'happy' animation playing. Much like the one posted here with the half elf male, but slightly less pronounced.</P>

[Aienaa]

<DIV>This is not a character appearance problem, but another problem that is only evident when SOGA models are turned on...</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>We went to Nek castle yesterday to help my friend finish off 3 heritage quests...   We zone in and head over to the chapel to begin the the quest to get the doors unlocked so we could get into the towers with the sister's rooms...</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>So, we run to the chapel and kills the spawn and the named guy, which is suposed to spawn Alexia...  Hmm, ok, so Alexia didn't spawn....  We started wondering if they changed something about Nek Castle so lev 51+ couldn't do it...  So we zone out and mentor to the lowest person (40), we zone back in, fighting our way this time and we get back to the chapel... Kill everything and Alexia still doesn't spawn.... We tried this 5 times before giving up....   </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Later that day, someone in our guild sent a tell saying that Alexia had spawned for him... So, me and my friend head back over to Nek Castle, and join up with our guildie...  Since we could not enter the same instanced as him, he zoned out and we all went in together...</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>We get back to the Chapel and clear everything once again...  My friend and I were once again disapointed that Alexia had not spawned...  Our guildie on the other had was not so disapointed as he saw her just fine, and hailed her to start the quest...</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Ok, so we get up to the towers where the sisters are...  Both of them are following me around as I have done this more times than I care to remember and could do it while sleeping...   So, we start running around to get the sisters...  But, no matter what we could not find any of the sisters...  This was driving me crazy...</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>We run down the rampart that cuts across wher ethe one sister is suposed to be, when I noticed my character get pushed to the side like I ran into something...  So, I stopped and thought about it a sec...  I went and turned SOGA models off, and what do you know, the sister is standing right in front of me...</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>The problem was that SOGA models prevented us from seeing Alexia and the sisters...  I bet my guildie was wondering why I kept running past them, since he did not have SOGA turned on the whole time, where me and my freind did....</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Once we turned of SOGA models, everything went smoothly and we finished up the 3 heritage quests in no time...</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>It's not that SOGA prevents you from seeing all the ghosts, but it definatly effected Alexia and the sisters....  I'm just wondering how many other things I have not been able to see because of the SOGA models being turned on...</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Gwern - 60 Assassin  /  Parody - 51 Troubador</DIV>

[Salmastryon]

<div></div>I had a guildie with the same problem in Nek Caste.  Good to know that i can tell him how to see them now. Bad that this causes a problem.  I've added this to the problem list.  You might want to post this to also post this to the quest or zone forums if someone hasn't beat you to it. Joosul can you give me more details on how the problem happened?  Can you reproduce it? On Erudite markings you need to change the eye color to change the erudites glyph color. Hair base and hair highlight are mislabeled on the Soga creation screen.  That isn't the function those two color choices serve anymore.  Hair color is created by blending those two colors together. <div></div><p>Message Edited by Salmastryon on <span class=date_text>11-13-2005</span> <span class=time_text>11:21 AM</span>

[Sheylara]

<P>I am having problems of changes not sticking once I log into the game. For instance, I set my lips to downturn max, but when I log in, my lips are upturn max.</P> <P>My clothes don't retain the colour I pick either, keeps going back to the default colour of my original model.</P> <P>There are probably a few other things, but these two are the most noticeable. Now my avatar is stuck with a stupid permanent smile which I can't get rid of. :smileysad:</P>

[Silverfrost]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Salmastryon wrote:<BR> <P></P> <P></P> <P></P> <P></P> <P></P> <P></P> <P></P> <P></P> <P></P> <P></P> <P></P> <P></P> <P></P> <P></P><U><FONT color=#ffff00><B>Quest NPC problems:</B></FONT></U><BR><FONT color=#ffff00>   - Alexa and the Sisters in Nektulos Castle do not appear if you have SOGA models enabled.</FONT><BR><BR> <P></P> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE> <DIV>I'm testing a fix to this currently.  Don't know if it'll make the morning hotfix.</DIV>

[reaper]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Silverfrost wrote:<BR> <BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Salmastryon wrote:<BR> <P></P> <P></P> <P></P> <P></P> <P></P> <P></P> <P></P> <P></P> <P></P> <P></P> <P></P> <P></P> <P></P> <P></P><U><FONT color=#ffff00><B>Quest NPC problems:</B></FONT></U><BR><FONT color=#ffff00>   - Alexa and the Sisters in Nektulos Castle do not appear if you have SOGA models enabled.</FONT><BR><BR> <P></P> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE> <DIV>I'm testing a fix to this currently.  Don't know if it'll make the morning hotfix.</DIV><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE> <P>Silver.... This happens with all Ghost NPC's..  Moonchild, Sunchild.. Etc.. </P> <P>This problem affect all level of play.<BR></P>

[Salmastryon]

<span><blockquote><hr>reaper98 wrote: <blockquote> <hr> Silverfrost wrote: <div></div> <blockquote> <hr> Salmastryon wrote: <div></div> <div></div> <div></div> <div></div> <div></div> <div></div> <div></div> <div></div> <div></div> <div></div> <div></div> <div></div> <p></p> <p></p> <p></p> <p></p> <p></p> <p></p> <p></p> <p></p> <p></p> <p></p> <p></p> <p></p> <p></p> <p></p><u><font color="#ffff00"><b>Quest NPC problems:</b></font></u><font color="#ffff00">   - Alexa and the Sisters in Nektulos Castle do not appear if you have SOGA models enabled.</font> <p></p> <hr> </blockquote> <div>I'm testing a fix to this currently.  Don't know if it'll make the morning hotfix.</div> <hr> </blockquote> <p>Silver.... This happens with all Ghost NPC's..  Moonchild, Sunchild.. Etc.. </p> <p>This problem affect all level of play.</p> <div></div><hr></blockquote>Halfling ghost in the ruins isn't effected by this.</span><div></div>

[Silverfrost]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> reaper98 wrote:<BR><BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Silverfrost wrote:<BR> <BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Salmastryon wrote:<BR> <P></P> <P></P> <P></P> <P></P> <P></P> <P></P> <P></P> <P></P> <P></P> <P></P> <P></P> <P></P> <P></P> <P></P><U><FONT color=#ffff00><B>Quest NPC problems:</B></FONT></U><BR><FONT color=#ffff00>   - Alexa and the Sisters in Nektulos Castle do not appear if you have SOGA models enabled.</FONT><BR><BR> <P></P> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE> <DIV>I'm testing a fix to this currently.  Don't know if it'll make the morning hotfix.</DIV><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE> <P>Silver.... This happens with all Ghost NPC's..  Moonchild, Sunchild.. Etc.. </P> <P>This problem affect all level of play.<BR></P> <BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE><BR>Yup, and the fix will fix them all.  It's in and building for the AM hotfix.

[reaper]

<BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Silverfrost wrote:<BR><BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> reaper98 wrote: <P>Silver.... This happens with all Ghost NPC's..  Moonchild, Sunchild.. Etc.. </P> <P>This problem affect all level of play.<BR></P> <BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE><BR>Yup, and the fix will fix them all.  It's in and building for the AM hotfix. <BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE>Cool.. Thank you for looking into this.. :smileyvery-happy:<BR>

[Shantee]

Can't remember the name but the last name mob in the Sacturium (sorry at work can't look it up) off of Sinking Sands, Is invisable with Soga Models.  I do not think he was a ghost.  Try fighting him when you can't see him.. lots of fun =P <div></div>

[Redorio]

<DIV>Hailable mob, after killing Magolemus for Saving Soles heritage quest, also cannot be seen by those with SOGA models...screwed up my Efreeti boot try <img src="/smilies/9d71f0541cff0a302a0309c5079e8dee.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /></DIV>