TU #16a

[EtoilePirate]

This update has a lot of stuff I've been waiting for for ages, I'm very excited! Funny thing is, I only started reading up on SOGA models today, out of curiosity -- and then boom!  There's a patch! The one thing that concerns me a little is this: ------------------------------ <i> - You have the ability to select which race-gender combinations you would like to use the new models for in Options > SOGA Models. - Your choices determine which models you see on your screen. Other players will see your character in whichever model they have chosen to display.</i> ------------------------------ It strikes me that it's no fun letting someone ELSE decide how they see me.  I would have thought this owuld be like /showhood or /hide_illusion, and up to the player? Looking forward to playing around this weekend, though, should be some great stuff to test. <p></p>

[Vlaven]

<P>About AE mez blocking AE....Do this mean I cant remez mob now? IE will AE mez block AE mez?</P> <P> </P> <P>Vlav</P>

[goawaynow]

<P><FONT face="Comic Sans MS" size=2>What date is Live Update numero sixteen scheduled for?</FONT></P>

[Qarlia]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> EtoilePB wrote:<BR>This update has a lot of stuff I've been waiting for for ages, I'm very excited<BR><BR>The one thing that concerns me a little is this:<BR><BR>------------------------------<BR><BR><I>- You have the ability to select which race-gender combinations you would like to use the new models for in Options > SOGA Models.<BR>- Your choices determine which models you see on your screen. Other players will see your character in whichever model they have chosen to display.</I><BR><BR>------------------------------<BR><BR>It strikes me that it's no fun letting someone ELSE decide how they see me.  I would have thought this owuld be like /showhood or /hide_illusion, and up to the player?<BR> <P></P><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE>I agree 100% with this point. <BR> <P></P>

[Nekofr]

If you think you have any control over how people see you NOW, you are sorely mistaken. What did you choose yourself to look as? Oh, that's nice. To me you're a complete blob of faceless pixels. That's how you look to a lot of people. Should SOE take out the option for me to make you look like that? It's not how you WANT to be viewed, right? My choice doesn't matter, because it's what YOU want. DOWN WITH CHOICE! DOWN WITH OPTIONS! <p></p>

[AbsentmindedMage]

<span><blockquote><hr>Nekofrog wrote:If you think you have any control over how people see you NOW, you are sorely mistaken. What did you choose yourself to look as? Oh, that's nice. To me you're a complete blob of faceless pixels. That's how you look to a lot of people. Should SOE take out the option for me to make you look like that? It's not how you WANT to be viewed, right? My choice doesn't matter, because it's what YOU want. DOWN WITH CHOICE! DOWN WITH OPTIONS! <p></p><hr></blockquote>I agree that the visual way a person wants to see their own character on their own computer should be paramount over how others want their character seen on your computer.  However, that said, I also wish it was possible to customize both options so you have some control of the way you look in current and soga models.  It isnt a game breaking issue for me because I realize that this is an option.  I thank SOE for giving this variety.  </span><p></p>

[Moorgard]

<P></P><BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> EtoilePB wrote:<BR>It strikes me that it's no fun letting someone ELSE decide how they see me.  I would have thought this owuld be like /showhood or /hide_illusion, and up to the player?<BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE><BR> <P>Unfortunately it isn't as simple as /showhood or illusions. We're introducing a substantial number of new models into the game, and with those new models come a host of necessary appearances and animations. It would be too demanding on the game client (and the majority of computer systems) to add 22 new models to the game, all of which could conceivably be on screen along with the existing character models. You think congested areas have low framerates now...</P> <P> </P> <P>That's why everyone has to choose which version of the player character models they want to see as they play. <BR></P> <P> </P> <P>On the plus side, you'll be able to save two sets of customizations: one for the original models, one for the SOGA versions. That way you'll at least know how your character will be seen regardless of which models another player is using.</P> <P> </P>

[EtoilePirate]

<span><blockquote><hr>Moorgard wrote:<p></p> <blockquote> <hr> EtoilePB wrote:It strikes me that it's no fun letting someone ELSE decide how they see me.  I would have thought this owuld be like /showhood or /hide_illusion, and up to the player? <hr> </blockquote> <p>Unfortunately it isn't as simple as /showhood or illusions. We're introducing a substantial number of new models into the game, and with those new models come a host of necessary appearances and animations. It would be too demanding on the game client (and the majority of computer systems) to add 22 new models to the game, all of which could conceivably be on screen along with the existing character models. You think congested areas have low framerates now...</p> <p>That's why everyone has to choose which version of the player character models they want to see as they play. </p> <p>On the plus side, you'll be able to save two sets of customizations: one for the original models, one for the SOGA versions. That way you'll at least know how your character will be seen regardless of which models another player is using.</p> <p>  </p><hr></blockquote> Yeah, I was afraid it might not be that simple. But thanks for the quick-clear, late-night answer!  The dual-customizations sounds like the best possible solution. (PS - speaking of framerate, seems like everyone experienced a pretty severe lag hit tonight when I was on, from about 10:45 - 11:45 pm East Coast time.  Possible related to the new patch?) Thanks for keeping us informed.</span><p></p>

[Feaw]

<P></P> <P><BR></P> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> EtoilePB wrote:<BR>This update has a lot of stuff I've been waiting for for ages, I'm very excited!<BR><BR>Funny thing is, I only started reading up on SOGA models today, out of curiosity -- and then boom!  There's a patch!<BR><BR>The one thing that concerns me a little is this:<BR><BR>------------------------------<BR><BR><I>- You have the ability to select which race-gender combinations you would like to use the new models for in Options > SOGA Models.<BR>- Your choices determine which models you see on your screen. Other players will see your character in whichever model they have chosen to display.</I><BR><BR>------------------------------<BR><BR>It strikes me that it's no fun letting someone ELSE decide how they see me.  I would have thought this owuld be like /showhood or /hide_illusion, and up to the player?<BR><BR>Looking forward to playing around this weekend, though, should be some great stuff to test.<BR> <P></P><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE> <P><BR>In order for others to see you with or with out the soga models they would have to have the same model choices as you do. :smileytongue:</P> <P> </P><p>Message Edited by Feawin on <span class=date_text>10-27-2005</span> <span class=time_text>01:42 AM</span>

[PigLick]

<span><blockquote><hr>Vlaven wrote:<p>About AE mez blocking AE....Do this mean I cant remez mob now? IE will AE mez block AE mez?</p> <p>Vlav</p><hr></blockquote>Nope, tested it, AE mez doesn't block AE mez. PigLick</span><p></p>

[Evadne]

Moorguard, Although I have no desire to use the SOGA dark elf female model, I would like to know if you will make available the appearance customization change utility for existing characters?   Many people have existing characters they might want to reconfigure their appearance based on the SOGA models.  Because right now, if you switch, your existing character appears stuck with whatever corresponding choices you made for your standard model. The combination might be unappealing. ~Eva <p></p>

[AbsentmindedMage]

<span><blockquote><hr>Moorgard wrote:<p></p><blockquote><hr>  </blockquote><p>On the plus side, you'll be able to save two sets of customizations: one for the original models, one for the SOGA versions. That way you'll at least know how your character will be seen regardless of which models another player is using.</p> <hr></blockquote>Thank you Moorgard, that is great that we will have two sets of customizations.  I know that many of my friends were a bit concerned by this because they thought it would not be an option.  That is great news.</span><p></p>

[PigLick]

<span><blockquote><hr>Evadne wrote:Moorguard, Although I have no desire to use the SOGA dark elf female model, I would like to know if you will make available the appearance customization change utility for existing characters?   Many people have existing characters they might want to reconfigure their appearance based on the SOGA models.  Because right now, if you switch, your existing character appears stuck with whatever corresponding choices you made for your standard model. The combination might be unappealing. ~Eva <p></p><hr></blockquote>Thepatch notes said the ability to customize characters will be added sometime in the future. Hopefully soon. PigLick</span><p></p>

[Matia]

<P></P>Is it just me, or do the faces seem much less customizable? No matter what settings I changed around for the head and so forth, except for color and hair they looked pretty much the same as any other setting (especially the Human ones). <P></P>

[TygerBlueEy]

<P>Can we get more macro icons added? Just copying the icons from the arts/spells would be a big help.</P> <P> </P> <P></P>

[Diern]

<P></P><BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Moorgard wrote:<BR> <P>That's why everyone has to choose which version of the player character models they want to see as they play.</P> <P>On the plus side, you'll be able to save two sets of customizations: one for the original models, one for the SOGA versions. That way you'll at least know how your character will be seen regardless of which models another player is using.<BR></P> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE><BR> <P>Thanks Moorguard. This was my main convern about the SOGA models. At least I can minimize the likelyhood of my Character looking like some angsty LinkinPark loving anime [Removed for Content], and too something that at least (hopefully) resembles what I want him too look like, when people use the SOGA models.</P> <P>Personaly I will be using a few, depending what they look like on my machine and the animations associalted with them.</P> <P>Dark elfs males (current ones look... how shall I saw hetrosexually impaired?)</P> <P>Female Humans. (do I really need to explain myself here.)</P> <P>Im dissapointed they did not redesign the Kerra females, at the moment they look like primates....</P> <P> </P>

[Feaw]

<P>I seemed to have an issue with female soga models loading.   I would go into a zone and the female soga models would dissapear.   If I turned the soga models off then on again after zoning then I could see them.   Also I couldnt see the female soga models at the character selection screen or in creation screens as they seemed to be invisible.   The female soga models also had this stop in motion problem with their animations.   /showhood is also having issues working as each time I zoned I had to redo it.   On the soga models in the creation section I noticed that there are no streaks in the hair but rather instead the colors blend.   This is kind of cool because I was able to make new colors by blending the two.   Some of the custimizations didnt work though and some were very limited.  The human and halfling males were really cute, all other models I prefered the old models.  I noticed an issue with the soga models and when the characters were looking down as the neck or armor around the neck was cutting into the chins and jaw of the character.  I saw several models wearing robe hoods that showed the hoods in wire frame with out the fabric skin.   </P> <P> </P>

[ValdacilFelagund]

<P></P> <P></P> <P>The thing you are forgetting, my friend, is choice...  Not everyone LIKES the SOGA models.  Therefore, if they don't want to see the SOGA models and want to keep their current models they can.  However, if you like your SOGA models, then by all means have them.  However, it would be very disjointed if you walked into Qeynos Harbor and half of the people you saw were SOGA and the other half were original models.  They wouldn't look like they belong to the same world, much less the same game.</P> <P> </P> <P>My concern when they were first talking about the SOGA models though was that I saw what say my High Elf (for instance) that I spent time on getting to look just right was going to look like after they SOGA'ized him and thought "I don't want people seeing me looking like THAT!!!"  However, even though my character will look fine to me, when you turn on your SOGA models he will look completely different.  I like the idea of customizing the regular look AND the SOGA look so that when you toggle the models you have a customized character either way.  That way even if you don't want to run w/ SOGA all the time (or regular) you can at least make sure you look right to those who do.</P> <P></P><p>Message Edited by Valdacil on <span class=date_text>10-27-2005</span> <span class=time_text>02:13 AM</span>

[CannedBre]

<p></p>SOGA = See Our Graphical Anomalies! To be exact, there are no SOGA modles for me. Check a box, watch entire races vanish! And how hard can it be to to dump a few more .tga files in for skin for Iksars? Come on, one skin still? You've got a dozen for the good guys' frogs. But hey, it's test, and I'm just "testing". So anyway, yeah, no SOGA modles. Invisible races. Yeah, I restarted, played with graphics settings and all that. Wait, this is really supposed to be in now, right? You're not all just screwing with my head, are you? If you go to the character create screen, and pick a SOGA race, the camera angel drops through the floor of the boat. It's like they have no height or something. Also, if you hit the --> to advance character creation, you get to the screen where you select customization, and there's nothing there. Just a big blank panel, and a button "Unlock all" and "Randomize all". At any rate, if they're really supposed to be in now, they're not. At least not for me. If they aren't supposed to be in, well, they're not. <img src="/smilies/69934afc394145350659cd7add244ca9.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /> <p></p><p>Message Edited by CannedBread on <span class=date_text>10-27-2005</span> <span class=time_text>03:06 AM</span>

[Elerri]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Moorgard wrote:<BR> <P></P> <P>----</P> <P>On the plus side, you'll be able to save two sets of customizations: one for the original models, one for the SOGA versions. That way you'll at least know how your character will be seen regardless of which models another player is using.</P> <P> </P><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE>Oh my god, yes, you heared us!<BR> <P>Thanks!</P>

[toxe14567]

<p></p>Just curious, could someone please clarify this? Are guild level 30 mounts (spirit horses, maj'duls) now cheaper to buy <b>or</b> do you get more money back when you sell them?<p></p><p>Message Edited by toxe14567 on <span class=date_text>10-27-2005</span> <span class=time_text>03:24 PM</span>

[FelixDomesticus]

<p></p>Why no new kerra model? Current models tail is plain awful. It looks like piece of rope swinging back and forth instead of cat's tail.EDIT: Besides Kerras are missing essential cat emotes like /hiss, /spit and /purr<p></p><p>Message Edited by FelixDomesticus on <span class=date_text>10-27-2005</span> <span class=time_text>05:40 PM</span>

[Salmastryon]

The one thing I noticed about soga models is the stern looks and frowns.  As a whole they all look very serious, angsty, [Removed for Content] off or down right depressed.  It isn't even possible to make a barbarian male or highelf that does not have a periment scowl/frown on their face. I also noticed that some of the skin tones are real tough to work with.  I haven't yet been able to get a nonsick looking male half-elf without giving him the tanned to ebony look.  All the fair skinned skintones come out pale or greenish. Dunno if that is on purpose or not. Male halflings look like peterpan clones... I really want to get in and look at the females but since that is borken atm I can only look at the NPCs and already created PCs.  There is something off about the human females but i can't put my finger on it yet. One thing I do like is the way that the hair base and highlights combine on the SOGA models.  Gives a lot more variety in hair color and look.  Though I will miss the two tone hairdos of the half elves.  Along with their piercings. (They have scars now) I hope someone is going to take take on the monumental task of fiddling with the SOGA versions of the NPCs.  Many of them look pretty bad right now and I've also encountered ones that look like twins standing next too or close to each other. Something tells me SOGA models are going to be on test for awhile. <p></p>

[agress]

<span><blockquote><hr>toxe14567 wrote:<p></p>Just curious, could someone please clarify this? Are guild level 30 mounts (spirit horses, maj'duls) now cheaper to buy <b>or</b> do you get more money back when you sell them?<p></p><p>Message Edited by toxe14567 on <span class="date_text">10-27-2005</span> <span class="time_text">03:24 PM</span></p><hr></blockquote> Sure looks like: 1) If you bought them in the past, you will be able to sell them back close to the original price you bought them at. 2) You can then turn around and buy them at a "new" price, potentially getting some plat/status back in return. I'm curious what this price is.  Do we even have any level 30 guilds on test?  agressiv Unrest Server</span><p></p>

[Naggyba]

All the models are totally invisible to me. I can't see a single race that I chose to see as SOGA. Entire towns have disappeared.

[Feaw]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Naggybait wrote:<BR>All the models are totally invisible to me. I can't see a single race that I chose to see as SOGA. Entire towns have disappeared.<BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE> <P><BR>Try turning them off then on again each time you zone, at least until they fix the bug.  That worked for me anyway.</P> <P> </P> <P> </P> <P></P>

[Aera]

Hello, from live server Grobb. There's just one thing I am anxious to know about concerning the HQs in this LU.  Are the 6+ hour Billy camp fiestas (for GoTD HQ) a thing of the past?  I'm going to make a fairly safe assumption and answer my own question by saying, "yes, Aera, you're right; it no longer takes several hours to coax the little doll out of hiding," but I'd like to know if someone can confirm it here.  I can die a happy man if so <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /> On a side note, the SOGA models look great for the most part.  I hope they will all get a few a facelifts before they go live, however. <p></p>

[Naggyba]

<blockquote><hr>Feawin wrote:<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Naggybait wrote:<BR>All the models are totally invisible to me. I can't see a single race that I chose to see as SOGA. Entire towns have disappeared.<BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE> <P><BR>Try turning them off then on again each time you zone, at least until they fix the bug.  That worked for me anyway.</P> <P> </P> <P> </P> <P></P><hr></blockquote>Will just have to wait for them to fix it. No matter what I try, nothing works.

[HBP]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Naggybait wrote:<BR><BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Feawin wrote:<BR><BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Naggybait wrote:<BR>All the models are totally invisible to me. I can't see a single race that I chose to see as SOGA. Entire towns have disappeared.<BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE> <P><BR>Try turning them off then on again each time you zone, at least until they fix the bug.  That worked for me anyway.</P> <P> </P> <P> </P> <P></P><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE><BR><BR><BR>Will just have to wait for them to fix it. No matter what I try, nothing works.<BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE><BR>Same here. <P></P>

[Lilin_W]

<span><blockquote><hr>CannedBread wrote:<p></p>SOGA = See Our Graphical Anomalies! To be exact, there are no SOGA modles for me. Check a box, watch entire races vanish! And how hard can it be to to dump a few more .tga files in for skin for Iksars? Come on, one skin still? You've got a dozen for the good guys' frogs. But hey, it's test, and I'm just "testing". So anyway, yeah, no SOGA modles. Invisible races. Yeah, I restarted, played with graphics settings and all that. Wait, this is really supposed to be in now, right? You're not all just screwing with my head, are you? If you go to the character create screen, and pick a SOGA race, the camera angel drops through the floor of the boat. It's like they have no height or something. Also, if you hit the --> to advance character creation, you get to the screen where you select customization, and there's nothing there. Just a big blank panel, and a button "Unlock all" and "Randomize all". At any rate, if they're really supposed to be in now, they're not. At least not for me. If they aren't supposed to be in, well, they're not. <img src="/smilies/69934afc394145350659cd7add244ca9.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /> <p></p><p>Message Edited by CannedBread on <span class="date_text">10-27-2005</span> <span class="time_text">03:06 AM</span></p><hr></blockquote>OHMYGOSH! Are you saying... that there are BUGS, on the TEST SERVER?! *dies* <span>:smileyvery-happy:</span></span><p></p>

[Mordacion]

Only one question: Where are the assassin fixes? Our offensive stance is a horrible joke, one of our main DoTs is nearly useless, Concealment has WAY too short a duration to really be useful. Zerker, bruiser, both summoners, all of whom are supposed to be below us in DPS tiers still embarass us. Wizard/warlock and ranger, who are supposed to be our peers leave us in their dust on 99.9% of DPS parsers. There's probably going to be a mass exodus of assassins fromt his game if something isn't done very soon. Get off your laurels and do something. <p></p>

[ValdacilFelagund]

<P></P>Just thought I'd throw in my 2cp and say that the SOGA models do not exist for me also.  Switched a couple of races and like a previous poster said... everyone of that race disappeared.  Switched them off and of course they all came back.  Zone did not help.

[Salmastryon]

<span><blockquote><hr>Valdacil wrote:<p></p>Just thought I'd throw in my 2cp and say that the SOGA models do not exist for me also.  Switched a couple of races and like a previous poster said... everyone of that race disappeared.  Switched them off and of course they all came back.  Zone did not help.<hr></blockquote> This happen with both male and female models?  If so what are you display settings at?</span><p></p>

[ValdacilFelagund]

<P></P>Yes, both male and female.  I didn't try them all, but I definately didn't have male wood elf (I personally disappeared w/ that one) and female human.  I think I tried a few others, but don't remember which (prob male human as I was in Nettleville).  My display settings are a modified version of High Quality.  Basically, take High quality and tone down the lighting effects in favor of more water and particle effects.

[Fildren_the_Templ]

<span><blockquote><hr>agressiv wrote:<span><blockquote><hr>toxe14567 wrote:<p></p>Just curious, could someone please clarify this? Are guild level 30 mounts (spirit horses, maj'duls) now cheaper to buy <b>or</b> do you get more money back when you sell them?<p></p><p>Message Edited by toxe14567 on <span class="date_text">10-27-2005</span> <span class="time_text">03:24 PM</span></p><hr></blockquote> Sure looks like: 1) If you bought them in the past, you will be able to sell them back close to the original price you bought them at. 2) You can then turn around and buy them at a "new" price, potentially getting some plat/status back in return. I'm curious what this price is.  Do we even have any level 30 guilds on test?  agressiv Unrest Server</span><p></p><hr></blockquote> Why the hell is this on a<u> test </u>server if no one can <u><i>test </i></u>it ? The same thing happened with new cobalt armor look ..</span><p></p>

[Vorlak]

<P>something tells me get ready for a week of downtime again.</P> <P></P>

[Kali]

<P></P><FONT face=Verdana size=2><EM>- The spirit horse and flying carpet mounts have had their prices changed to be more reasonable. The old versions of these two mounts can be sold to the stable hands <STRONG>for a refund on the status spent and close to the amount of platinum originally spent.</STRONG></EM><STRONG> </STRONG></FONT><BR> <P></P> <HR> <P><SPAN><FONT color=#ffffff>This change is an acknowledgement that its simply unfair that one one person paid a very large sum of coin and status for something - and then changes are implemented whereby the same thing can be purchased for a greatly reduced amount. Recognizing this fact - which is only fair - SOE is providing a full refund on the <SPAN>STATUS</SPAN> and at least a partial refund on the coin originally spent. This is a precedent which I want to ask they continue.</FONT></SPAN></P> <P><SPAN></SPAN> </P> <P><SPAN></SPAN><SPAN><FONT color=#ffffff>When you recently reduced the rent and purchase costs of housing it was welcomed widely. My request however is that you provide the <STRONG>EXACT</STRONG> same kind of remuneration as you are providing for the steeds above for pre-revamp housing purchases. I paid over 1.1 million status for my house - I'd like to be able to receive that status back - under the <STRONG>EXACT SAME PRECEDENT</STRONG> as you've acknowledged.</FONT></SPAN></P> <P><SPAN></SPAN> </P> <P><SPAN><FONT color=#ffffff>Please - you can keep the coin - just return the status.</FONT></SPAN></P> <P></P> <P> </P> <P><EM>(Yes - I know the odds of getting an answer on this issue is about 1in 25000 - and the odds of it actually happening are about 1 in 25000000 - but I figured I'd ask.)</EM></P> <P> </P><p>Message Edited by Kaliak on <span class=date_text>10-29-2005</span> <span class=time_text>08:14 AM</span>

[Druzgotek]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Kaliak wrote:<BR> <P></P><FONT face=Verdana size=2><EM>- The spirit horse and flying carpet mounts have had their prices changed to be more reasonable. The old versions of these two mounts can be sold to the stable hands <STRONG>for a refund on the status spent and close to the amount of platinum originally spent.</STRONG></EM><STRONG> </STRONG></FONT><BR> <P></P> <HR> <P><SPAN><FONT color=#ffffff>This change is an acknowledgement that its simply unfair that one one person paid a very large some of coin and status for something - and then changes are implemented whereby the same thing can be purchased for a greatly reduced amount. Recognizing this fact - which is only fair - SOE is providing a full refund on the <SPAN>STATUS</SPAN> and at least a partial refund on the coin originally spent. This is a precedent which I want to ask they continue.</FONT></SPAN></P> <P><SPAN></SPAN> </P> <P><SPAN></SPAN><SPAN><FONT color=#ffffff>When you recently reduced the rent and purchase costs of housing it was welcomed widely. My request however is that you provide the <STRONG>EXACT</STRONG> same kind of remuneration as you are providing for the steeds above for pre-revamp housing purchases. I paid over 1.1 million status for my house - I'd like to be able to receive that status back - under the <STRONG>EXACT SAME PRECEDENT</STRONG> as you've acknowledged.</FONT></SPAN></P> <P><SPAN></SPAN> </P> <P><SPAN><FONT color=#ffffff>Please - you can keep the coin - just return the status.</FONT></SPAN></P> <P></P> <P> </P> <P><EM>(Yes - I know the odds of getting an answer on this issue is about 1in 25000 - and the odds of it actually happening are about 1 in 25000000 - but I figured I'd ask.)</EM></P> <P> </P><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE><BR> <DIV>Don't hold your breath, afaik even now before patch, carpet sells back for full status, and "<STRONG><EM><FONT face=Verdana size=2>close to the amount of platinum originally spent"</FONT></EM></STRONG>probably just means 40 pp , just like it is now.</DIV>

[Naggyba]

They should raise the resell of the carpet/horses to 50pp.